Let's say feasible wars and who would win: India-Pakistan

>>34451427
>Argentina-UK
That's not even hard to guess anon, our army is beyond poor.

>>34451474

Average for South America I guess.

>>34451477
He was talking about the UK...

>>34451427
Would love to see a india vs pakitan war

I wonder when the nukes woild star flying

All in all most of south aisa would be a nuclear waste land

>pakistan.
India has a bunch of idiots. They want to go back to a 7.62nato rifle, but then complained that it was too loud and had a harsh recoil when compared to their 5.56 rifles. Special ed. Right there. Pakistan actually has an incredibly large and much better armed military all the way around. And a lot less idiots. They know how to fight.

>Turkey
Greece is fukken BROKE. Turkey is about 2 generations head of them in terms of military power and, again, they definitely know how to fight

>That's a hard one. UK most likely.
The last war between the two was incredibly close. The UK only won because the Argentines gave up literally a couple weeks too early. But, the UK has had almost 20yrs of constant ground fighting. So, I think that gives them the advantage.

>unknown.
Spain would use their SFL first, but everything but their rifles but break as soon as they look at them (rifles are German made, so yeah). And Morocco? No clue.

>nobody.
That'd drag everyone in. NK-SK would deserve it's on thread on its own.

>China.

>>34451427
>China-Taiwan
Don't we have a pact with the Taiwanese government stating should they ever be assualted/invaded, the US was to protect them or was that pact discarded/expired?

>>34451513

>rifles
>relevant to win a war

Also what is a SFL?

>>34451552
Spanish foreign legion.

The rifles were used as an example for their leadership. There military is pretty incompetent when compared to Pakistan.

>>34451552
Spanish foreign legion.

>>34451540
Yeah probably not at this point. It would go about the same with Ukraine and their nuclear disarmament pact. Did we help them as russia reams them?
Barely.
We'll throw taiwan a few scraps of hardware and look away while whistling at most.

>>34451477
>>34451480
Sadly I was talking about Argentina. I wouldn't say all of South America has shitty armies. Our brazilian brothers have improved a lot.

>>34451648
Which country is in civil disarray and borderline civil war right now? Was Argentina? Also, Chile, from what I've heard is starting to upgrade as well.

>>34451678
I think you are referring to Venezuela. Brazil is a chaos, yes, but aren't all latin countries at chaos at some point? Chile is a traitor, I wouldn't consider them latinos even if I had to.

>>34451700
Ah, sorry about getting Argentina and Venezuela confused. But, why do you say that about Chile? Genuine curiosity.

>>34451700
Question, how is Chile traitor? My knowledge of South American Politics is lacking.

>>34451720
>>34451725
Malvinas/Falklands war and the aftermath of it. Argentina received political help from almost every latin country, even Peru who did mediation between Argentina and the UK gave support to Argentina, whereas Chile, being jealous cunts as always, gave support to the UK, even going as far as to offer their land as refueling stop for Britain's combat jets and planes. Nowadays, they (Chileans) don't refer to the Islands as "Islas Malvinas", they call them "Falkland Islands". Don't misunderstand me, we lost the war, I respect the UK for winning, but here in south america the Islands are called and refered to as Malvinas. Maybe not all argentine people agree on what I say, I admit I have some kind of hate towards Chile.

I know Chile had strong ties to Germany, but that's about it. FYI, they still have, in service, legit MG42's that have been up fitted to 7.62nato. They're not MG3's or M53's, but actually WW2 made MG42's.

>>34451756
Welp, that's actually a pretty good reason.

>>34451770
Both Chile and Argentina had. Look up pictures of soldiers from Argentina in the 40's, they look like stormtroopers, not to mention the political assilum we gave to nazi officers after the war...

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>>34451513
>But, the UK has had almost 20yrs of constant ground fighting. So, I think that gives them the advantage.

Not to mention Tomahawk missiles are now a thing which would put the previously untouchable Argentine airbases on the mainland at risk.

Purely hypothetical though, the Argentine military would require massive amounts of investment and a decade to get back up to strength. Plus if Corbyn got in he'd probably just hand them over anyway.

>>34451513

>that's a hard one, UK most likely
>The last war between the two was incredibly close

The Argentine Armed Forces are in the exact same state as they were in 1982. Argentina and Britain both had modern militaries then, except the Argentine forces have not advanced at all since and the British have. Not to mention the UK has fought a few wars since then so there's the advantage of experience.

The UK would slap the ever living shit out of Argentina if the Argies made a move on the Falklands again.

>>34451800
I wish it only was a matter of investment anon. Here in Argentina we are subjected to lefties who are still butthurt about our armies killing guerrilla faggots. Here the word "militar" (military) is taboo. Yep, I live in a country of pussies.

>>34451809
Sounds like a worse south American version of Germany. Wtf happened? I know why Germany is cucked, but what happened to Argentina?

>>34451803
>The Argentine Armed Forces are in the exact same state as they were in 1982
>same state

Those airframes have a lot of hours on them now, I wonder how many have been cannibalised for spares to keep the rest of the fleet going?

Meanwhile for all it's faults, mismanagement and constant belt tightening, the MoD has managed to keep the RAF up to date.

>>34451756
>beagle conflict ongoing at the time
>expect the chileans to still help you
????

>>34451851
We had land problems with Bolivia and Uruguay, and still they supported us. Chile has no excuse, also, I believe Beagle conflict happened a few years after, Malvinas war was on '82, Beagle conflict was 86' or so.

>>34451844
Ever heard of Peronismo? It mutated in some leftie/commie/humanrights/pussy movement, aaaaand they basically disbanded the army.

>>34451844
>what happened to Argentina?

After getting bitch slapped by the UK the military junta (which had already tanked the economy and started the war as a distraction) was replaced by a socialist government. As far a I can tell it wasn't all bad but if you want to see the long term effects of socialism in South American, take a look at Venezuela.

>>34451859
Anglo-Chilean relations had been deteriorating since the Sheila Cassidy Affair in 1973.

In 1982, Argentina went to war against the United Kingdom in the Falklands War. The Argentine plan included the military occupation of the disputed islands at the Beagle channel after the invasion of the Falklands, as stated by Brigadier Basilio Lami Dozo, chief of the Argentine Air Force during the Falklands war, in an interview with the Argentine magazine Perfil:

L.F. Galtieri said: "[Chile] have to know that what we are doing now, because they will be the next in turn.
In 1982, Argentina still secretly considered Chile an enemy. Chile, perhaps suspecting an Argentine invasion, argued that it was not bound to support Argentina against the UK under the Inter-American Treaty of Reciprocal Assistance because that treaty was defensive in nature, while Argentina was the aggressor in this case and both Chile and Argentina deployed their respective militaries to the border.

The common challenge made the chance of military co-operation between the UK and Chile a distinct possibility and during the war Chile provided the UK with limited, but significant information. One of the reasons given for the absence of the Argentine Navy and higher numbers of professional soldiers during the Falklands War was that these forces had to be kept in reserve in case they were needed against Chile.

really made me think

>>34451867
Wtf? Imma have to look into this. They didn't teach shit for South American history in school. Then again, it really wouldn't have been history at that time. 80's was not that long ago at that time.

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>Iraq

Fuck you USA Fuck you sons of bitches

>>34451887
The problem is that, nowadays in Argentina, Peronismo, and it's fully retarded son Kirchnerismo, are seen as heroes.

>>34451879
>One of the reasons given for the absence of the Argentine Navy and higher numbers of professional soldiers during the Falklands War was that these forces had to be kept in reserve in case they were needed against Chile

My understanding was that without any anti submarine capabilities, the Argentine navy were basically sitting ducks and once they realised the exclusion zone wasn't going to be adhered to they all returned to port.

>>34451511
Theyve been having a proxy war on and off since the 40s iirc. Some cool mountain combat in the 90s I read about in Military History

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>>34451894
Yay you can do it

>>34451894
Would Iraq demand any armistice payments in USD or goats brides?

>>34451879
That last part is very interesting. I don't know if you've heard about the "Lago del desierto" conflict. It was a small battle between Argentina and chile that happened several years after the Falklands war. There were even dead Chilean soldiers and all, but it never came to light at the time, things were pretty fucked up and Argentina didn't want another war. My uncle was Commander of the regiment who engaged in firefight with Chile, he got shit for that, but was one of the few patriots who can say defended Argentina from Chile.

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>>34451911
y-you too

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The UK needs to annexe tierra del fuego and that province with a bunch of welsh people in it. Go full sudetland/crimea on argentina.

>>34452131
To continue being the pirates they always were?

What about Saudi Arabia and Iran? How could this 2 engage in ground combat? Who would win?

>>34451894

Wut.

US and iraqi forces are , and have been, working together to end the fight in Mosul.

>muh iran

Has been BTFO of iraq after tikrit too.

>>34452235
If no one intervenes, iran. Saudi is THE most useless and pointless military in the middle east. They're like the little retarded kid at recess that's always last to be picked for kick ball because he fucked everything up and ends up helping the opposing team. The Arab nations let them actually have command of an op, and they fucked it up sooo incredibly bad, it's an embarrassment. Iran would literally walk all over them in 4 days. 6 tops.

>>34452313

>implying the Iranian military is not as arab as the saudis

>inb4 DEY ARE PERSAIN!

You fell for the memes then, my friend.

>>34452399
I've dealt with Iranians before. Way deadlier than suadis

>>34452543
Fuck Iran Iraq is better

>>34452543

Cool story bro.

Every single military exercise has been totally arab in appearance. A comedy show.

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>>34451513
>they definetly know how to fight
they're barely above arabs

>>34452732
Why are Arabs so bad at fighting? What happened? I heard one reason they don't have multinational exercises is because they are afraid they are going to get invaded while doing them.

>>34452753

There are a few reasons, but the biggest is a tendency to horde institutional knowledge among themselves.

For example: a tank commander might not tell his underlings how to calibrate the cannon, and when he leaves that knowledge is lost. Its a form of job security for them (cant fire the guy who calibrates your tank).

>>34452753
http://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars

nepotism, lack of discipline, superiors hoarding knowledge and ressources, shitty centralised command structure

>>34452787
This 1000x. They wont crosstrain or anything with thier people because they fear not being useful for the next regime purge

>>34451427
No way the Nazis and rest of EU would let turkey do anything to greece after the billions they poured into that shithole.

>US-Russia
Russia

>>34452753
I have heard it has something to do with the culture being incredibly religious. They have a habit of spraying and praying when in combat, saying Allah will guide the bullets to the target.

I read an article some time back, written by a marine colonel who's biggest problem in training the Iraqi soldiers was they saw aiming down the sights as an insult to their god.

Add in top the already mentioned habit of taking knowledge away with them and you spell out a radically ineffective fighting force.

>>34451513
>And a lot less idiots. They know how to fight.
First Indian-Pakistan war says something else

>Turkey is about 2 generations head of them
Obviously they aren't.

>So, I think that gives them the advantage.
Argentina has NO way of fighting the UK. They can't make it to the UK and they can't even make it to the Falklands.

>but everything but their rifles but break as soon as they look at them
The fuck does that mean? Spain has a modern military. Morocco has a pretty good airforce for a North African nation, their F16s Block 52+ should technically be superior to Spanish Hornets, perhaps Eurofighters they have are more modern. Still, Spain has a lot more planes and that makes the difference. It depends on the objective/goal but the only way I see Morocco pull something is in a coalition with say Algeria and other African/Middle Eastern nations.

>>34452753
They're not shit at fighting individually, they just have systemic issues organising themselves into effective armed forces.

Tribalism, sectarian issues, social class etc. all play a role, but look at Jordanian performances against Israel, when the Jordanians were led by British officers.

>>34451513
>They know how to fight.

Yet a sizable part of Pakistani territory is outside the control of the Pak Army.

>>34451513
>And a lot less idiots. They know how to fight.

Not even true

>>34452933
To be fair, controlling the Balochs, Pashtuns, and other tribes in Pakistan and the NW Frontier, has never been easy. America couldn't contain the tribes of Afghanistan, even with the world's best equipment, logistics, and training. So what hope does Pakistan have with the same conditions, but lacking resources? That Pakistan hasn't completely fallen apart is some achievement.

>>34453017
Fair point, but the resource they lack most is the will to do so.

>>34452313
This is more or less correct. Saudi is incredibly incompetent but they do have the technological advantage over Iran by quite a bit. That could be the only thing that helps them.

>>34451480

kek

>>34453040
Didn't seem to help them much against the Houthis.

>>34452881

Yeah. Those EF2000 are way better than some F16.

do i hav 2 be a citizen to join the Iraqi military?

>>34451859
If yall down in south america are gonna band together against the anglos then you better do it right.

>United states of South America when?

>>34451427
Heres a hard one ,
Singapore - Indonesia
no allies

>>34453312
What missiles does Spain use that the EF2000 also uses and what radar does the EF2000 have?

>>34452865
Nah, US wins. It's a tough win with heavy losses on both sides, but they would win. If the Russians use their nukes both lose though.

>>34451513
this is a really bad post.

>>34451879
>One of the reasons given for the absence of the Argentine Navy and higher numbers of professional soldiers during the Falklands War was that these forces had to be kept in reserve in case they were needed against Chile.

This isn't strictly true. The Argentine government made an assessment of what would be needed to capture the Falklands. They intensified this and committed further when they realised that the UK was not taking the diplomatic route. The initial plans were made with Chile in mind, but the bulk of later attention was toward preventing the Royal Navy gaining a foothold. The warfighting stage was not done with Chile in mind, whereas the invasion stage was.

Chile had a far more interesting and convoluted relationship with the UK than many people are aware of. Unfortunately, many of the conspiracy theories are well wide of the mark.

>>34452684
Not doubting you, but source?

>>34453444
IF we were to band together, but even then, a fight against the US would be a sure loss for South America

>>34453714
Nah, it's pretty up in the air if it comes down to a conventional war. Especially if the Russians can roll out this new equipment.

>>34455743
The Russian economy is in shambles. The new equipment will be like all new equipment in the past 2 decades, given exclusively to elite troops and for propaganda units.

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>>34451513
>They know how to fight
Topkek

>>34451648
>Our brazilian brothers have improved a lot.
Manscaping?

>>34451480
Was he? Are you a mind reader now, ledditer?

>>34455743
>Nah, it's pretty up in the air if it comes down to a conventional war. Especially if the Russians can roll out this new equipment.

You have been sucking up too much propaganda and not following US upgrades. You probably think the Abrams you see today is the same as the early models and that the B-52 hasn't changed since Jimmy Stewart filmed Strategic Air Command.

>>34456072
>The Russian economy is in shambles.
and the US isn't? The US is trillions of dollars in debt to China. If they ever start asking for it, the US will collapse