Name one downside that can't be attributed as the fault

It isn't a halberd.

>>34447987
>someone stands close
>have extreme difficulty killing them
Halberds are shit

>>34448084
>stand outside arms reach
>have extreme difficulty killing them
Maxes are shit.

>>34448084
>someone stands close
A mace won't work either retard

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>>34447978
>Maces

Posts a morning star

>>34448139
>can't bash someone at close range
You're an idiot

>>34448215
Morning stars are a type of mace

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>>34447978
Name one downside that can't be attributed as the fault of the user.

Glocks are the perfect weapon.

>>34448416
*explodes*

>>34448433
*user error*

>>34448416
double action trigger

>>34448494
5.5 lb DAO trigger

fixed that for you.

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>>34448416

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>issued a so-called perfect weapon
>still has to use a pistol to stop a terrorist

>>34447978
Well, with that model of Morningstar, it seems that storage for travel may prove to be an issue. I don't want those spikes digging into me while I'm just walking around with it.

>>34447978
It doesn't throw projectiles at 1,200 fps.

>>34447978
Defense. Maces and morningstars by themselves deal a lot of damage, but you kind of need a shield or a buckler to make up for the lack of defense. Metal gauntlets would be a good alternative.

Swords are good because you can attack and defend by themselves. They are more nimble in the hand compared to tip-heavy weapons like maces and axes.

>>34449232
It would theoretically be possible to design a two piece rubber alloy case that snaps together over the star and fits snugly over all the spikes

>>34449166

I choose to believe that he actually killed the man with the ceremonial mace.

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>>34447978

Nah, this is. This can actually penetrate plate pretty easily, can also smash smash, trip, thrust.

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>>34447987
Ultima VI bro confirmed. fpbp

>>34447978
It's heavy and the spikes can get jammed into bone it's difficult to pull out, but a flanged mace would be just as nice

>>34447978
gb2/tg/ you 1d8 simple weapon fuck

>>34447978
>You either need full plate armour or a shield since they are shit got defending yourself from attacks.
>They aren't as good as swords against soft targets
>short for the weight

>>34447987
Halberds a shit, only for formation fighting really
Poleaxes are objectively superior as individual weapons

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>>34447978
Ok, you try to bash my head in with that mace. I'll just shoot you with this sword.

>>34449843

I'd bash your head in and then go and nurse my pin-prick wound.

>no on in the thread mentions parrying

>>34449843
>prepare to banzai charge baka amerikajin position
>draw katana pistorr
>accidentarry shoot myself

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>>34449437
if only it were just a bit longer

>>34449437
>This can actually penetrate plate pretty easily
Proof ?

>>34449785
Shows what you know, I'm from/v/

>>34447978
>shit reach
>sluggish handling
>basically useless for parrying

I'd rather use the actual general-purpose melee weapons of the time: Swords and spears.

>>34447978
Its a good cav weapon cause of the weight
But fuck me if I'm going toe to toe with any competent spearman or swordsman in single combat
Much rather have a shortsword and a shield

1 hit and your overrated club is probably full of clothes, leather, plate or whatever you hit and useless.

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>>34447978
>It cannot project lead in a forward motion from itself
>Not effective at 200m
>Not magazine fed
>Semi-automatic

0/10 impossibly shitty melee weapon.

>>34449388
We can dream, can't we?

>>34448084
Just choke up, step back, and swing with the ax head.

Other than that they were very effective knight killers. The battle of Morgarten saw knights being torn apart by halberdiers.

>>34448389
At the ranges the halberd becomes useless a mace would also be useless.

With a sword you can at least cut at their back with the false edge.

But why would you want a mace? The Warhammer does all the mace does and more.

>>34450658
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0Qh9KOt1x8

>>34447978
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoPGpdxJ0fE

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>>34452737
Really nigger ? That's all a downward, powerful strike on a static target can achieve ? A dent, at best 1cm of penetration ?

Show me an example of an armor plate being "easily pierced" by human force.

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>>34447978
>Maces are the perfect melee weapon.
no, pic related, the knightly one handed sword, is. you just need to plant the tip on him and slightly lean into a guy and you will kill him dead.

>>34453424
have fun getting hit by that

>>34453478
Good luck, I'm behind a tempered steel plate, a gambison, and maybe even some mail in between !

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>>34453489
>I'm behind a tempered steel plate
no you aint.

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>>34453447
>not going full swordsman and achieving a perfect blade capable of inflictig vicious close ranged stabs and also lopping limbs
Lets be honest, running into a heavily armored enough opponent is slim anyways

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>>34453510
unlike you I actually own the pictured sword and is is more than capable of taking off your leg.

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>>34453424
the best part about poleaxes is that you don't need to penetrate the armor. The force of the blow is still gonna KO the guy wearing that helmet.

>>34453525
I dont have much use for a sword since I own guns :^)
I am looking to buy a kukri for carry though
Also I kindof doubt that, a broud flat edge like that will pretty much stop at the meat. Swords like that are far more effecient stabbers like Gladii, but affording a good reach. I like it but generally dont see much use for any sword longer than 12" given modern lack of snything longer than 6"

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>>34453567
you certainly have a right to your opinions. btw. I have guns too.

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>>34453525
>not having a falchion

>>34453587
Whats the little spine at the edge about? Seems too easy to hook yourself on stuff

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>>34453649
Nobody knows. There was never a real life example found to begin with, it's a design taken from a drawing.

>>34447978
That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Bastard Sword" bullshit that's going on in the d20 system right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.

Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.

Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.

Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas:

(One-Handed Exotic Weapon)
1d12 Damage
19-20 x4 Crit
+2 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork

(Two-Handed Exotic Weapon)
2d10 Damage
17-20 x4 Crit
+5 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork

Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Katanas in real life, don't you think?

tl;dr = Katanas need to do more damage in d20, see my new stat block.

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>>34453649
they're probably useless, as >>34453686 said, it could just be something a monk drew after hearing about a falchion.

I guess that they could let you stab slightly, but it's made for chopping

>>34453803
So odd given how accurate the rest of that drawing is
Wonder if it was actually a thing somw jackass blacksmith made for shits n giggles
I would say it could be flipped around and used to spike someone wearing armor, but that grip wouldnt allow it so I'm stumped man

>>34449833
>Poleaxes are objectively superior as individual weapons

Spears, you fucking ingrate

>>34453525
Not with you swinging it nerd, you will end up with that shoved way up your arse

>>34453934
Long ones, twice as long as a man!

>>34453587
>>34453686
>>34453803
Ive never seen one of these before but my immediate thought was that the "spiked" part of the blade is for blunt smashing

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>>34454077
hook at the base wouldn't let you flip it around, so only backhands could use the spikes.

>>34453803
>>34454106
they're called godenaks (except the one to the left in the first pic, which is a warbrand)
no clue if they're actually real but they're some kind of falchion
the spikes would have to be for hooking or piercing, but they should be a bit longer for decent hooking and narrower for penetration

>>34449132
>Glock island

>>34447978
a hatchet is the perfect melee weapon

>>34447978
>no Handguard.
enjoy losing your fingers.

>>34447978
anyone knows where to buy an battle-ready Mace or a morning star?

>>34455633
https://www.battlemerchant.com/Axes-Hammers-Maces/Maces/Mace-head-casted-iron::2657.html?language=en

>>34455649
thank you anon

>>34450658
Proof? Its a fucking hammer you retard. Yes, it can penetrate plate.

>>34447978
Those 3in spikes don't meet the FBIs lethality standard for penetration. A machete is more of a "perfect melee weapon" than this bullshit.

Stabbing is always more lethal than bashing. Ya dumb dingus.

>>34448396
Your mom is a type of whore

>>34448084
Yeah in a one on one throw a few hundred together and see what happens

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>>34455726
>Machete
>Stabbing

Pick one, you massive fucking faggot.

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>>34453780

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>>34454138
>they're called godenaks (except the one to the left in the first pic, which is a warbrand)

no, they're not.

"godenak" does not appear in a single printed or published source, until about 1990. not one book, manuscript, or the likes.

It is almost certainly a corruption of Godendag, which is the name of a staff-like mace from the 14th century. they are shown in art alongside those falchion/proto-messer type blades on the courtrai chest, a 14th C oak casket covered in carvings.

godendag means "good point" in Middle Dutch. Godenak means nothing. it is gibberish.

there is likewise no evidence at all for the name "warbrand" for others from the Maciejowski bible. its correct name is a shortened glaive.

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>>34453780
I love this pasta

>Axes/swords can be leveraged out of flesh/armor if buried and stuck.

>Maces have spikes with channels around the base, only way to remove them from armor is draw it directly out of the hole or twist it around yanking and pulling until the holes in the armor are rounded out enough to draw mace out.

>Hold on guys let me just free my mace real quick dont kill me.

I just see them getting stuck on everything, in armor, on brush and trees, riding horseback, unless it has some kind of cap/cover, which is just another drawback because now you have to take that off before attacking.

>>34449166
Kevin Vickers, hammer of God, bane of the muhammadan

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>>34454056
But some men are longer than others!

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>>34456202
Good day

>>34454056
B-but some m-m-men are l-long-g-ger than others, senpai.

>>34452771
Hitty things!

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>>34456713
Your mother been telling u stories about me again eh?

>>34449388
>>34456678
Fun fact, the spiked end became the "bottom" of the modern ceremonial mace. The modern "top" derives from the small royal badge or cypher that would have been embossed at the base of the handle of a real mace.

>>34448494
if only