Why are side mags not a thing anymore? >not ambidextrous at

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>>34446399
First

>>34446399
because its easier to have the magazine under the gun

>>34446399
Side mags also reduce the profile lengthwise of the weapon and make it easier to handle while prone.

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>>34446520
Having the mag well on the side definitely beats bullpups for easy reloads, and when prone it's probably the easiest option of all (provided you're right handed)

>>34446565
For left handed it would still be pretty easy.

>>34446399
It makes more sense to have the magazine protruding vertically.

The pistol grip is already protruding below the action and the bore, why not have the magazine on the same axis? Less shit axes of protrusion for stuff to get caught on.

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>>34446399
>>34446520

Most weapons even at that time fed vertically. Some such as this gun and machineguns feed horizontally from the side.

The issue has to do with balance as to why vertical feeding is preferred, even if the assumption is in error, and having a heavy magazine sticking off the side will get in the way of casually holding or slinging the weapon.

The magazine for the FG42 might possibly get in the way as such, but if you're considering anything bigger its definitely going to get in the way. Not for shooting or shouldering the weapon, but for all the hours you need to carry or sling it.

Side feeding can be a convenient option when magwells arent big enough for an oversize caliber (the .50cal AR upper), or if you're really hurting for spacing on the weapon. So it is a pretty nice option for anti-materiel rifles.

Pic related, its a good way to make use of space. But unless its necessary it just seems like an oddity.

>>34446399
would it be possible to make a magwell that could pivot left or right?

>>34447082
Speaking of which there's a .50cal AR upper... but I think it would be really fucking cool if someone made a .30-06 upper for the AR with a side feeding BAR magazine.

Or a .338 lap with a 10 rounder

>>34446399
Not sure why I find that gun so sexy, but aren't they making repros of the FG42?

>>34447107
>would it be possible to make a magwell that could pivot left or right?

would make the bolt design more complex too. for what gain?

>>34447804
ambidextrous L/R magwell tilt would allow for better reloads and a setup that could let you load a larger magazine and still be able to go prone without obstruction, and you could return the magwell to a vertical position when standing or carrying on a sling.

>>34447740
Yeah but they are like $4000 and the company who makes them is dodgy.

>>34448432
there are repros and new variants, making for two companies making fg-42s iirc

I don't actually recall any dodgyness, just some butthurt anons

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Why can't they do something like this, have the magazine angled a little off-vertical so they can eject mostly down but not have the mag sticking out horizontally like an idiot.

>>34448637
An94 does this but still ejects out the side

>>34446399
Because asymmetrical weight on any firearm is annoying

>>34446399
Purpose of side mounted magazine is to reduce height of weapon and allow assistant to change magazines. In modern doctrine magazine is used as monopod (in standard rifles) and squad automatic weapons don't have assistant gunners.

>>34448637
Didn't that one Peruvian rifle do that? FAD I think it was called?

>>34446399
>Why are unbalanced guns not a thing anymore?

i no rite

>>34447107
>>34448406
I would like to see mag and feed construction that can accept mags from either side, and then automatically blocks off any second magazine from being placed in the other side because that magwell has now turned into an ejection port. That way it can be reloaded from either side without any modification.

In any case the main innovation of the FG-42 was not the magazine placement but the wonderful combination of all of its other features. Lightweight, select fire, comes with a magnified optic as standard and flip up backup irons, compact design due to side magazine (almost-bullpup), in-line stock with pistol grip, closed bolt semi-auto and open bolt full auto... This gun was meant to be a paratrooper LMG but its features are almost all found on modern battle rifles PLUS that automated switching of the bolt behavior. It is arguably more advanced in concept than the STG-44 with a special feature that was considered desirable in the original Marine IAR trials more than 60 years later.

>fucking kraut magic

>>34447008
AS a left handed person im failing to think of a easy way to reload it.

>>34450868
tip the rifle so the mag faces upward

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>>34446399

Rare but does still exists. Basically only makes sense of precision rifles like pic related.

>>34446499
>this thread will reach image and post limit 1 post faster because of this

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>>34451643
I imagine an FG-42 action in 5.56 would make sense as a magazine-fed SAW, kinda how the IAR was originally specified. Stick a bigass mag like this (or a potentially more reliable elongated conventional one), and you could have some really nice capacity without getting issues when firing from a prone position.

In situations where handling becomes a priority you could always use a regular 30 rounder.
>>34451663
>implying it will get that far anyway

>>34451713
Magpul D60s might work better, keeps the weight closer to the bore line
those Surefires stick WAY out and would unbalance the rifle

>>34451758
Drum mags are bulky to carry, heavier and are more finicky than a conventional box mag.
When employing the weapon from a bipod the balance would be a non-issue.

>>34447201
>Side fed 30-06 ar upper
I like the cut of your jib kid!

>>34450868
Extend your dominant hand out, remove the magazine from the gun, reach into your magazine pouch then place the fresh magazine into the gun.

>>34446565
https://youtube.com/watch?v=sXvUtvC7nxs

Eh, depends on skill of user.

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>>34451713

>>34452168
I remember this. Fucking shame the design wasn't recycled for civ market, it'd probably be a $300 gun.

>>34448637
Or like the kel-Tec rdb that feeds from the bottom and ejects out the bottom behind the magazine.

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>>34446399

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>>34451663
I wouldn't worry about it.

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>>34446399

>>34452354
fuck those things.

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>>34446399

>>34452168

m i n i m a l i s t

>>34452887
> this rifle has downs

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>>34452887

>>34452199
It's an open bolt full auto, so a closed bolt system would have to be made for it.

>>34450868
Use right hand still holding hand guard to switch shoulder while your left grabs a mag, reload, reshoulder

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>>34453062
Now that I think of it, you could do something neat in the style of the LMR.

Imagine if the entire upper receiver was horizontally symmetrical. With the side-mounting of the gas system, I think it would be entirely possible.
The lower (trigger mechanism and pistol grip) could be mounted on either side of the upper to flip handedness, so mount it with the magwell on the left for a righty, other way round for a lefty.
The side that doesn't have the lower receiver mounted on it would be covered up by a picatinny rail. The biggest issue with this I can think of is ensuring that the rail system's mount would be solid enough to hold zero and such.

>>34450736
would it be possible to just have it swivel though? Like have the trigger static and the bolt carrier group and receiver pivot with the mag?

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>>34453748
Sounds like it would require a pointlessly complicated system

>>34452168
So slender, so compact

>hnnnnnng

>>34452887
The hell is that? And is that the world.guns.ru owner?

>>34454380
not necessarily. A straight trigger like on the 1911 slides along a rail. if you could make an adapter that would let the grip and an extension of the trigger pivot independently, then the barrel, receiver, and bolt group could all swing left or right given the necessary situation.

>>34452168
Reminder that the design is a DP28 flipped on its side and has the flapper lock replaced by a roller locked breech. PTR could probably manufacture them.

>>34452199
Copy the SMG gunworks approach of making a linear hammer.

>>34450050
This feels like the most logical answer to me. A side mag would make it have an inordinate lean.

>>34455969
But if it was long enough to start resting on your non-firing arm then it becomes one extra point of contact!

MORE POINTS OF CONTACT

>>34447107
The AN-94's magwell is offset slightly. So kinda.

>>34451663
But didn't your post do the same?
Not to mention all of the posts replying to your post?

>>34455156
Maxim Popenker

Rifle: AS from project Abakan the precursor to the AN-94

>>34453024
That's some serious herpes right there

>>34446499
I saw you earlier, fuck off