Oppenheimer North Korea did a bad again and now there are talks

Oppenheimer is gone, friend.

Dust in the wind.

>>34441019
but who else will talk about nuclear weapons and their use in a factual manner and spare us from atomic fuddlore?

>>34441013
The newest missile launch looks like it was a ~7000 kilometer range "intermediate" ballistic missile, but it's effectively an ICBM at this point, capable of striking anywhere from Juneau Alaska to Townsville, Australia. Against closer targets, it's quite capable of lofting its payload into space over North Korea's borders before dropping a warhead inside of a reentry vehicle on South Korea, China, or Japan.

>>34441036
Is this cause for more concern that usual with them?

>>34441090
If the initial reports that it's a Hwasong-12 derived launch vehicle, North Korea has a road mobile ICBM that would be a lot more survivable and harder to track than North Korea's fixed launch site assets.

Americans are going to war in 2018, aren't they. You can see that playing out now.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4550380/Mattis-says-war-North-Korea-catastrophic.html

Chinese stock devaluation, NK missile tests, Communist Party congress to appoint Xi on second term this fall. Trump took the whole Senate up to the White House, and basically told them this was going to happen. They will play diplomacy and try sanctions in 2017, and then go to war.

>>34441130
If the initial reports are correct*

>>34441130
So I suppose it's business as usual sabre rattling from a tyrant.

Hopefully this will get China on board to enforce strict sanctions on them.

>>34441150
You don't understand the problem.

North Korea's capability to credibly strike every regional power with Nuclear Weapons is nearly in place. If they make further progress, North Korea cannot be disarmed at all with conventional forces without inviting nuclear retaliation on any nation that gets involved.

>>34441176
So this is where the preemptive strike option will be floated with this act as a potential tipping point?

>>34441195
I don't know where the line is drawn. It's part of an alarming trend that's threatening to make First Strike the only kinetic option that will minimize collateral damage on surrounding nations.

>>34441019
he dead?

>>34441013
CONFIRMED ICBM

Can someone post the stuff about gravity maps and scuds/icbms

Can't find it now

>>34441019
He lurks and posts as anon, occasionally he'll trip when we get a little too autistic.

>>34441019
He still posts in nuke threads, he doesn't use his trip though. Lurk more faggot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtQBrjBFp2Q

nork stream making an announcement soon

>>34441388
Announcement is over.
They said, and it has been confirmed, as an ICBM.

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>>34441407

but they are showing pics of the missle now

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>>34441428

look at how happy he is

>>34441135
Will there be a draft anon? Tell me that isn't a thing. It isn't right? What do I know about fighting and shit?

>>34441013
Suppose we will see if THAAD is up to scratch.

>>34441459
>not wanting to be there when those annoying little shits finally get fucked up

Also it's not gonna be like the US will suffer any real casualities, it's just gonna be Gulf War v2.

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>>34441961

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>>34441967

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Should i move here?

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>>34441990

Fuck me, I thought that was Nova Scotia from the thumbnail.

I was about to scream at the top of my lungs, NO.

It's beautiful here.

But.

The people suck, the economy sucks, the everything sucks.

It is so horrifically depressing here.

>>34441459
>what do I know about fighting...
>what is basic training?
Don't worry, it's the women's turn for the draft!

>>34442042
australia is better

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>>34442151

Eh.

Probably gonna move to Texas, buy all the fucking guns, build a house in fuck-all-nowhere and exist.

>>34441357
he actually does use it sometimes you faggot

>>34441459
Do not worry friend, I will join the army again and train you. Been looking for an excuse to go back in.

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>>34441090
Not for us, we can live without Queensland

>>34442313
t. cucktorian
and fuck you pauline was hot

>>34442317
>Cucktorian

You're just jealous that you dont get to live in the worlds most livable city. But real talk Pauline never looked good, her face was the only thing about her more ugly than her personality.

>>34442367
>You're just jealous that you dont get to live in the worlds most livable city.
it's not very livable if you take away the ice.

>But real talk Pauline never looked good, her face was the only thing about her more ugly than her personality.
she has the "hot milf down at the fish and chip shop" look going, you wouldn't understand.

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>>34442376
When you say 'Ice' are you taking about the drug or frozen water? I ask because you only really get heavy ice usage in the northern suburbs and regional Victoria and also its really fucking cold down here right now.

>You wouldn't understand
Probably not, literally every fish and chip shop within 50 kilometres of my house is run by an old Asian couple for some inexplicable reason.

>>34442399
>When you say 'Ice' are you taking about the drug or frozen water?
the drug

>you only really get heavy ice usage in the northern suburbs and regional Victoria
well what the fuck are the cunts in the CBD on, then? are they putting something in the smashed avo?

>Probably not, literally every fish and chip shop within 50 kilometres of my house is run by an old Asian couple for some inexplicable reason.
absolutely unaustralian.
i bet you've never seen the milky way in all of it's divinity.

>>34441990
na fuck off
we dont need anymore immigrants
our country is sweet, just the way we like it mate

>>34442151
it would be if there werent any aussies in it

>>34442416
>Are the putting something in the smashed Avo?
Its mushie season right now so at the moment that's what the CBD guys are doing, but I was under the impression it was usually weed and/or party drugs

I have seen the milky way in all of its divinity, but you do have to leave the city to get a good look at it, high country and along the Murray are the best spots in my opinion.

Also, I contest the idea that Asian run fish and chip shops are unAstralian, this country has a proud history of people migrating in and doing one specific thing far better than the locals, like Arabs and kebabs, or wogs and auto mechanics. Sure its unexpected that the Asians of all people took to fish and chips so well, but its absolutely in the tradition of this country regardless.

Fuck yes my is 301 training is worthwhile.

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PROVIDED TEST PARAMETERS

>max altitude 2802km
>flight distance 933km
>flight time 39min

Nork TEL vehicle built from timber carrier
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-china-truck-idUSKBN19P1J3

>>34441013
i think if it really happens, they will cause more damage with conventional arty on south koreans than with their nukes.

Like how many warheads will they even have?

then you have 3 or 4 nations airforces waiting for them to launch something.

nothing will reach the US or even Japan. Their best bet is trying to suicide bomb the country with nukes.

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>>34442978

LIKE THIS?

>>34441019
What was it that pushed him away? I remember some pretty decent treads with him dickslapping retards left and right, but then it just...stopped

THE NORKS NUKED BUENOS AIRES, I SAY KILL THEM ALL.

Is war with North Korea a innawoods situation if you live on the east coast?

>>34443233
i mean't nukes. Of course artillery and short range stuff will hit south korea.

they just placed so many artillery pieces its impossible to disable them before they cause at least SOME damage.

wouldn't it be a great show of force if the US sat an anti-missle ship or whatever and shot down anything that went in the air?
or is the potential launch area too far inland/too wide?

>>34443277
too far inland.

>>34441013
>North Korea
>doing anything right
>ever

In what world do you live

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>>34443281
god damn it where's this big bastard and why'd it have to get canceled

>>34441459
>Draft? Please, God, no!

Eeeeeverybody wants to be gangsta until it's time to do gangsta shit.

>>34443313
that the laser ?

>>34443243
Some fucker doxxed him

>>34441150
China are probably the ones helping the NORK ICBM program anon.

As long as their attack dog is insane they can deny responsibility.

>>34443327
yes, against anyone competent it's a dumb idea
but it's pretty perfect for nork's/SCUD's

got cancelled because it's goddamn expensive and was fantastically difficult to actually make work

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>>34441459
>tfw I get drafted before I finish my degree and go to flight school

>>34441019
He still shows up in random threads late at night
too bad some faggot had to go and dox him

>>34443277
The US won't do that, too much of a chance of them not shooting it down and losing major face

>>34441459
Draft is a thing of the past, it won't happen in the modern era for the problem that it would probably collapse the US politically and civil wise

>>34441135
>burgers invade
>Chinese provide support for "guerillas"
>5 years of constant casualty reports give burger population war fatigue for Asia
>burgers eventually leave due to unpopularity
>China asserts herself
It'd be the final nail in the American Empire

>>34443518
>Chinese provide support for "guerillas"
You started being out of touch with reality right about here

>>34441013
Good luck getting him.
>make amazing threads
>the /b/ tier part of /k/ has to dox him
And you're surprised why nobody wants to put themselves out there at all?
I for one don't want any interaction whatsoever with any of you unless we literally meet by accident and discover our common interest in the board later.
Oppenheimer would be a fucking idiot to post again, and I hope he doesn't for his own sake.
Oppenheimer stay and stay go if you know what's best for you, as much as I wish you'd post your wisdom.

>>34441459
I say forcefully draft all Koreans, it's our war and the US has been great to us, so great too many are pussies now and still act like Koreans first and Americans second

>>34443518
The Vast majority are dirtfarmers who don't care and will follow anyone who had more food, in addition to that everything is heavily centralized. You take out leadership and there will be no guerrillas because there will be no figure competent enough to fight.

Also there is a matter of the South Korea. Army existing.

If anything this will be a war America can win pretty easily and just fuck off other than military aid.

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>>34441013
>40 minute flight time
Not good

>>34443281
Wrong

>>34443233

How long of a gun run could an A10 run if an A10 could run guns?

>>34442042
>It's beautiful here.
>But.
>The people suck, the economy sucks, the everything sucks.
Is Nova Scotia the California of Canada?

>>34441459
I for one look forward to the opportunity to waste a bunch of gooks like my grandpappy did

>>34443753
no that would be Ontario

>>34443612
Won't NK take the opportunity to just vaporize Seoul with nuclear artillery? Seoul is in range of arty from the border. Casualties would be in the millions and I'm sure the world will hold NK and USA as the belligerents responsible.

Of course afterwards NK gets vaporized...

>>34441019
INB4 this post is OPpen

>>34443815
North Korea doesn't have the capability to reliably detonate a nuke on a warhead, the minituization isnt at that level yet they'll need to go Jack Ripper and strap that shit to a plane.

What will happen is casualties will be in the thousands at worst for conventinal artillery and rockets range is more towards the outskirts of Seoul which are heavily populated but not mega city levels the center is.

The more pressing issue is how much of a hit the bases near the border will take and how fast the rest of the country can get mobilized.

>>34443753
not really, NS is more conservative, much more rural, much poorer and with much shittier weather.

>>34443813
You spelled British Columbia wrong

>>34443713
>brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrppppppppppppptttttttt
>multistrike x126
>you will never xp farm like that

>>34441265
Convicted of leaking classified information

>>34443429
>faggot had to go and dox him
Damn really?

Wouldn't that only have validated his claims?

>>34441135
The US isn't going to invade North Korea. North Korea isn't going to invade anyone else.
If anything real happens, China will blaze through like a dose of the shits and oust Kim for someone more pliable and less unstable.
That's about it.

>>34443319
>Eeeeeverybody wants to be gangsta until it's time to do gangsta shit.
Take the fucking LARPers in /gq/ and /arg/. I haven't pretended to be a fucking soldier since I was 10.

>>34444126
I'm pretty sure it was some butthurt faggot whom he btfo'd. I can't remember if it turned out he was a nuclear physicist, high clearance air force tech, or something else. Either way he was definitely legit.

>>34443337
Ofc we can never have anything nice here

>>34444127
This not Kolea. This China and arways has been. We show you map and writing of ancient schoral.

>>34444237
Wasn't it Navy?

>>34441459
PLEASE GOD DRAFT ME!

>>34444304
>>34444237
I thought he was a policy guy at the State Department or DoD something

WAR IS IMMINENT

don't we have missile defense parked right outside their borders that could wipe that shit out as soon as it leaves the ground?

i thought we were letting them do this shit so they don't go full retard and start killing people

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we WAR TIME MILITARY again soon! get hyped fellow enlisted

>>34443649
proofs.

>>34444465
you cannot intercept the boost phase with THAAD. the booster accelerates too fast, and the missiles are too far inland.

>>34441428

Well they sure picked a pretty landscape for missile launches

>>34446654
North Korea and Afghanistan are both beautiful countries that are ruined by the people that live there.

>>34441013
Well looks like this is starting up again.

Oh boy, another week of what amounts to autistic screeching from /pol/ and the international community.

It's hard to be North Korea and *not* want a nuclear deterrent to avoid being coalition-of-the-willing'd like Iraq did.

I'm not one of the insane people who defend the DPRK but it's just plain rational on their part.

>>34447120
There is presently an open question of how far we're willing to go to prevent that from becoming the rational option the world over.

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>>34441013
If Oppen is here I would like to ask him this question/ask you all a question.

How would you deal with the current situation?/ What would you change about how the international community has dealt with NK since 1953.

>>34447264
At this point, we accept North Korea as a nuclear state, or millions of people die. For the second, we have control over the how and where, but not the fact that there will be millions.

The biggest issue with NK having an ICBM is that they occasionally transfer tech to Iran.

That means if the ICBM is repeatable then Iran can possibly grab an ICBM design and become an untouchable.

>>34447355
> The biggest issue with NK having an ICBM
more like, "the best thing with NK having an ICBM".

Iran deserves ICBMs too, if only for avoiding the same fate that befell Iraq (and birthed ISIS and delivered a generation of chaos and fuckery in the Middle East)

I've been watching NK threads since 2011. every article say nuclear war is right around the corner. I'm still waiting.

>>34447486
Since 2006, It's either been nuclear war, or do nothing. So far, everyone's chosen "do nothing."

>>34447486
Hawaii is a full 1000 miles further away than Alaska.

>>34447702
oh fuggg wrong thread

>>34441019

Oppenheimer is dead? Then show me his body!

>>34447319
We're at the cusp of that but not quite, people misinterpret the two separate programs right now, the missile program and the nuclear program.

The missile program is going faster than anticipated but they don't have the ability to put any nuke on it just yet.

As of now North Korea does not have multi stage nuclear capability and does not have the miniaturization necessary to put it on the ICBM, it's worrying because they can strap conventional explosives and do a fair bit of damage far inland but that's V2 levels of actual damage compared to cost.

The ultimate goal is at least a nuke on a missile, ideally multi stage but right now they are maybe half maybe a full decade away.

>>34443596
Koreans already have mandatory conscription dude.

>>34442437
Get fucked you Victorian cunt. Your state and the ACT are the two states that we should purge. Asian fish and chip shops aren't unaustralian, it's just that the Asians running them rarely give a fuck about the country, and are unaustralian themselves. Italians, Wogs, and even kebabs are more Aussie than those fuckers. We got an Iranian who runs a Mediterranean restaurant at the local shops, cunt cooks the best bacon you'll ever have, and fucking loves the country, so much so that he even had a massive fucking discount for everything the day he got his Australian citizenship.

In conclusion, fuck the chinks, and fuck Victoria.

t. Queenslander

>>34443904
Can't we just evcuate south korea like get every cruise liner we can fill it will all the civilians

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>>34441961

>>34449766
Koreans and overloaded cruise liners arent a great mix.

Also there are active bunkers everywhere including the subway system being one and they drill in once every year or so to get into one.

First artillery barrage has about a minute to reach and can't level everything so survival isbactuallu pretty likely provided they don't have millions if pounds of gas shells.

Even then they would focus on military bases anyway first. There's only so many guns with only so many shells, autisticly spamming the edge of the capital is pointless when you have way more important problems on your doorstep

>>34443596
>doesnt know about mandatory conscription
what kind of proxy roleplaying is this

Wonder how many devices the Norks have been able to build in total.
>34444444

>>34441019
All my dreams pass before my eyes, a curiosity

>>34441036
>Against closer targets, it's quite capable of lofting its payload into space over North Korea's borders before dropping a warhead inside of a reentry vehicle on South Korea, China, or Japan.
Very unlikely they would do this. The only reason they do the loft trajectory is because they can do a full range test.

>>34441150
>So I suppose it's business as usual sabre rattling from a tyrant.
Not really.

>>34441195
Yes.

>>34441265
Might as well be.

>>34441357
>he doesn't use his trip though.
Depends on his mood.

>>34441643
This isn't really inside its engagement envelope.


>>34442978
>Like how many warheads will they even have?
Depends on the design. 8-12.

>>34443622
>Not good
Correct.

>>34447264
>How would you deal with the current situation?/ What would you change about how the international community has dealt with NK since 1953.
Make a deal with the Chinese that if the DPRK is gone, there wont be any need for US forces on the Peninsula, especially if they help with integration of the north.

US gets to wash its hands of North Korea, China gets US forces off the Asian mainland, South Korea doesn't have to pay for the reintegration of the north.

>>34447719
He's not dead. He went to work with the White House on the NPR.

>>34453339
POTENTIALLY War soon?

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The Norks have a serious problem: they bought their weapon designs from A Q Khan. Khan was involved with the Pakistani nuclear weapons program when their pits were Oralloy (HEU). This has two big advantages: you don't have to mess around with the hellish material that is plutonium and you can get a bigger yield before you have to worry about your weapon melting down if you drop it; the latter is also a disadvantage, the higher critical mass of HEU compared to plutonium means you can't miniaturise as much.

North Korea has no established pipeline for the large scale manufacture of plutonium nor does it have the academic power to design new devices. A device suitable for putting on the top of an ICBM is a couple orders of complexity more than a straightforward spherical implosion design (with the DPRK is barely getting a handle on) and requires academic titans in fluid mechanics and applied mathematics as well as a supercomputer or two. There are even greater mathematical challenges with HEU but NK never had to tackle them because they bought all the equipment and designs from Khan. They have painted themselves into a corner with their current weapons and would have to start the development process from scratch to produce something that could reach the US on their current missiles.

tl;dr, North Korean devices are low yield, clunky, unfinished and oversized.

cont...

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>>34453690
...Compare that hulking monstrosity, which likely isn't even the full physics package (contains all the firing circuits and, in the case of variable yield weapons, tritium) to the physics package of a W80, a device with 20 times the yield of the largest NK nuclear test.

>>34453690
>>34453701
This is terrible analysis.

>>34453721
Please do explain why.

>>34453730
>They have painted themselves into a corner with their current weapons and would have to start the development process from scratch to produce something that could reach the US on their current missiles.
This part is terribly incorrect.

The device in your picture is a boosted fission device, about 60cm in diameter and about 300 kg.

Note in the video images of the rocket staging that you are not looking at a nosecone, that is clearly a shroud.
This is a novel missile, and it is clearly capable of lofting the known boosted fission device to Alaska.

You are correct that the devices are low yield, but to dismiss them as unfinished is not credible.

Your assessment of the difficulties in putting their design on top of this latest missile are VERY overstated.

You are also comparing the design of a practised nuclear power with close to 1000 tests under its belt to one with a handful.
You are also falling into the trap of mirroring. You think that The DPRK will follow the same path that other nuclear powers have gone down because they have the same strategic goals. It is clear that the DPRK is not proceeding down the same path and they do not have the same goals in mind.

North Korea is limited in what they can achieve, there is no question of that. They are stuck with boosted HEU, they are limited in motor technology as well.

Your claim that they have some sort of problem lacks merit. If they were planning to develop in the footsteps of other nuclear powers, you might have a case, but it is clear they are not. The North Koreans are not attempting to build high yield or thermonuclear weapons.

>>34453730


>>34453885 here.

I would add that the largest technical challenge remaining for the DPRK ICBM program is actually development of the actual RV. Thats why the nose of the recent test was significant. They have the weapon they need. Now they need to make sure it survives re-entry and is accurate enough to hit an area urban target.

>>34453885
>>34453907
I'm hearing mixed things about their miniaturization capabilities I'm aware they don't actually need anything larger than a tactical nuke on a proper missile to pretty much cement their place as a state for the foreseeable future but how close to that are they?

>>34443337
He's been doxxed like 3 times. Every time it just proved his bona fides. The problem came when some mouthbreather started stalking him, calling him at work and the like.

Oppenheimer still puts on his trip occasionally, but it's not like the old days when he would launch a thread with a pic of trinitite and answer questions for a few hours.

>>34444237
Former gov policy wonk, now works at a think tank.

>>34454003
All they need is a RV. They have the throw weight for their chosen design, it fits inside the dimensions of the missile, all they need is for it to survive the flight and go off near where they want it.

>>34444237
>nuclear physicist,
No.

>high clearance air force tech,
No.

>or something else.
Yes.

>>34444304
God no.

>>34453885
The biggest problem I have with that analysis is that it really doesn't look like NK has boosting. It's not even clear if the Pakistanis had boosting when they were using pure Oralloy weapons, when a nation is coy about its capabilities and talks in mixed terminology, I'd always point to the British describing Orange Herald alternately as a thermonuclear device and as a megaton-range weapon.

The value of throwing a fission weapon at the US is also unclear, it would probably be no more effective at causing impairment of US military capabilities than a conventional warhead (though it would cause more deaths) and infinitely more effective at getting their entire country levelled.

>>34453339
>that posting style

Some almost-forgotten memory is nagging at me

>All my dreams pass before my eyes, a curiosity

Same old song, just a drop of water
In an endless sea

>>34454104
>is that it really doesn't look like NK has boosting.
What are they doing with their lithium plant?

http://isis-online.org/isis-reports/detail/north-koreas-lithium-6-production-for-nuclear-weapons

>>34453690
>>34453701
I'm not sure how well the supercomputer part applies. If the us could do it 50 years ago with the very first computers then the norks should easily have the same computing power with modern computers. They'll still need all the other stuff you mentioned but modern computers will definately be more than enough.

>>34454156
It's possible but not a given that they're producing tritium. For example, isotopically pure lithium-7 has a variety of uses in certain types of reactor.

>>34454167
Sorry, that was unclear, acquiring the computer isn't a challenge, getting the people to run it to produce the extremely complex implosion geometries is.

>>34454223
>It's possible but not a given that they're producing tritium. For example, isotopically pure lithium-7 has a variety of uses in certain types of reactor.


>Available information strongly indicates that North Korea has built and is operating a lithium 6 production plant that is part of its nuclear weapons effort.

It would seem strange that the DPRK would set up a lithium plant for reactor types that they don't have and have no intention of using it to boost their weapons.

>getting the people to run it to produce the extremely complex implosion geometries is.
You are vastly overstating the difficulties.

>>34454223
They can make money good enough to get circulated by banks, I'm sure falsifying Chinese documents gor someone to study nuclear physics would be a cake walk.

First time I would support American intervention and you faggots do nothing but threaten and rotate carriers near them. Will I ever not be disappointed by America?

>>34454223
>It's possible but not a given that they're producing tritium.

Where did they get the Lithium-6 they were selling in China?

>>34454270
Sure, grab a rifle and a parachute and go first.

>>34454257
>>34454272
I wish I could comment more.

>>34454298
Go LARP on /pol/

>>34454298
Domestic production with Chinese technical help?

>>34454298
I bet.

>>34454298
Get out with this fantasy BS
Go make a mecha thread
>>34454355
Throw and old dog a bone,
What would the NK reaction be to a pre-emptive strike? All out War?

>>34454819
Being dead?

>>34454355
hey oppie

>>34447847
>>34450679

Pretty sure that guy meant draft all Koreans that are stateside because they are all a bunch of cunts who are Proud to be Korean but have never been there intentionally and have spent most / all of their lives here in comfort.

Koreans are generally an obnoxious people and the first generation of them to be born stateside are even worse. Their parents say "I am proud to be an American" and their kids say "I do Tae Kwan Do, speak 3 sentences in Korean, have SEOUL420 as my license plate and check out this sickass Korean flag tattoo".

They also have a massive superiority complex towards other asians even though Korea was a Siam tier backwater until the last two decades.

Rationally speaking, we need to go in there and invade and waste them. In a modern and politically correct democracy though, I dunno, maybe try to placate them and hope that they don't threaten us with greater force in the future. If we took lessons from history, think of what the ancient Roman state would do if such a problem appeared before them. There would be no hesitance or mercy in eliminating the threat.

>>34443243
>I remember some pretty decent treads with him dickslapping retards left and right, but then it just...stopped.

That's pretty much the reason, funnily enough autuists who have been proven wrong will do anything to restore their epeen. So as expected he has been doxxed and was forced to approach his boss about it, this is why we can't have nice things on /k/.

But he is not completely as you see >>34453339, plus he has a Gmail where you can ask any question nuke related [email protected]

>>34457275
No