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Why in the he'll did they have so many ground troops? They

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Why in the he'll did they have so many ground troops? They couldn't just have more Armored vehicles and or bomb more bug holes? Not to mention the armor the troops wore did fuck all for protection. Where are you now Niel Patrick Harris?
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>>34438807
in the first 10 minutes after the attack the sec def says in short everything about klendathu was fucked from the start
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>>34438807
Because the movie is a parody of the book.
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>>34438839
The movie wasn't even a parody. Paul Verhoeven agreed to do the movie before he ever read the book. He started to read it, got bored, read the Cliff Notes, and made a space shooty movie instead.
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>>34438940
How is that even legal?
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>>34438807
Because the director read the first 3 pages of the book and declared it "fascist propaganda." He then proceeded to turn a book about civic duty and the fact that violence, while distasteful, is sometimes necessary into a b-rate "patriotism is brainwashing and military service is a meat grinder" movie.
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>>34438835
How so? Terrain? Resource gathering? Who started the war?
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>>34439079
I wish it wasnt. Same goes for All You Need Is Kill/Edge of Tomorrow
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>>34439104
Edge of Tomorrow was good.

Starship Troopers is good too in its own Verhoeven way.
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>>34439079
Because this is America, where you get to do the film you want. Don't like it? Make your own.
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>>34439109
>edge of tomorrow was good
If you completely forget the book it was based on.
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>>34438807
Read the book, OP. It's the book that turned me on to sci-fi.
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>>34438807
They had very limited contact with the bugs, they didn't know their armor would be so ineffective. Also tons of their drop ships were destroyed on the way down, so were many of the capital ships. Stands to reason lots of their armor was destroyed.

Also in the books each soldier is in a mech suit, so they probably didn't read anything about tanks in the book, so there.
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>>34438807

The Mobile Infantry of the books are super overpowered. I'm talking guys that wear mech suits which carry multiple nuclear warheads. Suits that let them jet jump ten miles at a time with shoulder mounted rocket launchers. These guys carry enough ordinance to slag a medium sized city. They are primarily surprise attack / shock and awe troops who drop in from space using drop pods.
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>>34439152
in the book. it is stated that a MI cap trooper in his power armor can rip apart tanks.

they have tanks but don't really use them because a cap trooper is so much better.
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>>34439124
All You Need Is Kill had very terrible pacing. Most of the book was the protagonist's internal monologue about the philosophy of fighting an alien that could predict your every move. Also the sideplot about coffee was beyond retarded.
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>>34439157
because the Federation didn't have an interest in annihilation or conquest of the bugs or skinnies. the MI was used as a tool to put the Federations political will on their enemies. So the enemies would do what the Feds wanted.

the fed navy has weapons that could crack a planet into an asteroid field. yet they didn't use them. they didn't want the escalation and the blow back from it.
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>>34438807

In the book they have armored suits that make them essentially tanks.

In the movie it's just HURRRRRRRRRRRR
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>>34439092
>How so
In that they completely underestimated the bugs. They thought they could capture the bugs home world and force them to capitulate. Unfortunately, the invasion became a complete slaughter, plus even if the had succeeded the bugs would have continued on fighting no matter the losses, as the bugs have no concept of the self.
>Resource gathering
The war appears to have started since two species that are expanding came into contact with one another. With limited resources for their populations, coupled with the fact that the bugs don't give two shits about anything but the bug species, decided it was easier to eliminate humanity than to coexist, resulting in both sides genociding each other.
>Who started it
It's not clear how tensions arose between the bugs and the terrain federation, but it escalated into full blown war after the bugs directed an asteroid into Buenos Aires.
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>>34439127
Damn Star Wars really did s rip off with those drop ships
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>>34438807
the movie was satire mocking imaginary dumb fascists.


in the book, they didn't bother with tanks because of orbital combat on one hand and super power armor on the other.
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+1 for the hate gang-bang for this film. Honestly if they named it 'Bug Hunt' I would have laughed in a cheeky "you son of a bitch" kind of way, but they marketed it like a straight up adaptation.

The book is recomended reading in all the military academies for fuck's sake. If I made some kind of dick-waving parody of 'All Quiet on the Western Front' just to get the mouthbreather audience I'd expect to get laughed out of the industry.
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>>34439244
I think those drop ships are just generic cover art the publisher put on it.
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daily reminder that movie > book
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>>34438940
>>34439079
>>34439104
>>34439122
The film actually started out as a completely separate project. It only became Starship Troopers after the studio was afraid they could get sued due to similarities and forced the license on the production. From Verhoeven's perspective, the studio forced him to change one of his projects into an adaptation of a book he found too boring to finish and politically distasteful.
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>>34439104
>>34439109
>>34439124
I haven't read All You Need Is Kill, so I enjoyed Live Die Repeat for itself. That is how I usually like to enjoy movies based on books: the movie first, then the book. If I read the book first, I almost always end up being disappointed by the movie.
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Un fine with the movie very fun to watch even the part when destroy my city but im only mad with one thing if you need shoot in specific areas of the bug why everybody shoot without aim first they only from his fucking waist
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>>34439293
This, pretty much.
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>>34439127
>those drop ships.

MI cap troopers were dropped into the planet's atmosphere in multi layered capsule. each layer had a different purpose in the reentry and descent. To give the trooper the greatest chance of survival. Since the bugs had radar and the standard soldier bug shot a laser instead of using melee.

Drop ships were only used for extraction or landing troopers on worlds where no bug activity is suspected.
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>>34439207
I recall hearing the Verhoeven actually wanted to include the power armor and jet packs, but the logistics of so many actors flying by wire made it impossible.
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Jesus christ you guys are all retarded. The movie is a parody of nationalism/fascism and the evil and pointlessness of a total war.

The book is a commentary on nationalism and fascism set in sssspppaaaccceeee.
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>>34438807
The point of the battle was not to win at all. The government requires war as a mean to control the population of earth. It directs people to an outward threat rather than turning on the government.
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>>34439433
You're talking about a board that wants a faithful adaptation of the book even though the books is mostly people sitting around and having political discussions.
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>>34439443
>all of a huge galaxy to build colonies on.
>launch expensive and dangerous wars to reduce "surplus population"

non .

In the book at least, the Terran Federation was not an aggressive power. They actively stayed away from bug space. though that didn't stop independent colonists from going into bug space or near bug space.
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>>34439314
IF YOU DISABLE THE ENEMY'S WAIST HE CANNOT CONSUME YOU
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>>34438807
Because it was a silly fucking movie that you are putting far too much thought into.
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>>34439465
Could be worse. They could spend 800 pages arguing about the best way to build a choo choo train.
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>>34439307

This. Verhoeven is a dirty, stinking commie but it's not his fault he got saddled with the "Starship Troopers" name.
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>>34439520
Is that a fourth generation warfare reference? Because if it is that is one book I'd love to see Verhoeven take a crack at.
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>>34439520
triggered!
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>>34439558
Verhoeven makes wonder movies though.

Hollywood black listed him sometime after SST.
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>>34439602
He moved back to Europe after making Hollow Man. Elle, his most recent film, picked up two Golden Globes and an Oscar nom for Isabelle Huppert. He's only made four films since ST.
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>>34439653
hollow man is great. kevin bacon was fucking evil.
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>>34439433

I think the book was more based on the virtues of civic pride and service. It had an underlying message of how many people didn't care about how government was elected or run, based on how few people chose to actually serve in any form in the Civil Service, even though the benefits of being a Citizen instead of just a Civilian were well known to all.

Beyond that, it was how a well formed and professional military, no matter how small, was able to defend such a large part of human space. If you look back to the bit in the novel about the agricultural planet and how Terran wheat was able to overrun the native grass on the planet, you'll see it's an allegorical comparison to human society. A society that is weak and unwilling or unable to defend itself will be conquered and pushed out in the end, no matter how numerous the population or strong the society. He's advocating for a stronger military and upstanding society.
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>>34439698
I think part of the problem is that Heinlein was absurdly utopian about it all. You're talking about a government that is formed out of and answerable only to the military, veterans, and civil service bureaucrats.
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>>34439602
He's not blacklisted, he just decided to move on to other areas after winning Hollywood.
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>>34439765
people actively in the military had no say in the government. unless a general or admiral decided to just overthrown the citizens.

same with most of the civil service.

the citizens were veterans of a lot of federation services. the military was one of the smallest portions of citizens. most were from the people that built and maintained the infrastructure.


Heinlein built a society, just so he could pick it apart and find the pros and cons.
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>>34438807
What flashhiders are they using on those rifles?
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>>34439803
look like belgian fal flash hiders.
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I hated the actions scenes in this movie. Easily the worst parts of the movie. There's nothing interesting in how the fights play out, it's just straight on shots of people shooting guns from the hip while standing out in the open. That entire style of fight choreography sucks ass and I have no idea why it's so popular.
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>>34439803
>>34439818
M60.
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>>34439831
movie is a critique on military bravado. which is why it uses over the top cartoonish rambo style shooting action.
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>>34438807
Because the novel was a political metaphor. In real life we would've just nuked Klendathu out of existence.
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>>34439698
>>34439765
If you paid attention to the book you'd know that civilians had MORE rights and protections than citizens. What would send a civilian to prison would be a death sentence for a citizen. The only thing civilians couldn't do is vote.
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>>34439862
Okay, that makes sense. Didn't pick up on that at all when watching it, probably due to my hatred of that style and disappointment when going from the great "Would you like to know more?" segments to the boring action.
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>>34439879
We tried, we didn't have enough nukes to do it.
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>>34439399
>assuming they're being landed and not extracted

Notice how the MIs are already on the ground, securing the landing zone? They're being extracted.
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>>34439311
This.

The book provides more depth and backstory than the movie. It is rare when the movie follows the events from the book so you still get to experience the plot twists, ect.

As far as I know, the Daniel Craig Casino Royal did the best book to film adaptation. The only changes they made were to adapt the story for the modern setting. Getting a text instead of a letter, knowing a PIN instead of hiding a cashiers check, ect.
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>>34439857
Thanks mang.
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>Why in the he'll did they have so many ground troops? They couldn't just have more Armored vehicles and or bomb more bug holes?

Wait, I thought the whole point of the movie was to illustrate the incompetence of high command.
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>>34438807
Because it's a movie and it's not fun if you just endlessly shoot "Q-bombs" on planets
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>>34439127
why read any other scifi when enders game exists
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTOxLuJfeYA&index=9&list=PLfpUCLOmAOQcB_hWIorn9HC1lPmHGG24Z

Friendly reminder that Lt. Razak was a hero.

If you didn't have the pleasure of watching the computer animated series growing up you have not lived life.
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>>34439908
How are people so stupid that they miss the obvious satire in Verhoeven's movies?
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>>34439124
It wasnt a book, it was a shitty jap comic
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>>34439960
No country for old men was also spot on.
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>>34440262
speaking of Coen brothers' films
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>>34438807
It's simple numbers boys and girls: they have more.
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>>34438940
>>34439082
This
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>>34439284
>book is recomended reading in all the military academies
Really?
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>>34439908
ARE YOU PSYCHIC?
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>>34438807
Its obvious. The instructors at the boot camp hated pogs so they actively tried to kill them, have other trainees kill them, or forced them to wash out by killing other pogs.
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>>34439433
>The book is a commentary on nationalism and fascism set in sssspppaaaccceeee.

In the book joining the military is entirely voluntary.
On thing fascist was public flogging. Apart from that, it's your average Murrican city.
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>>34438807
>Over-centralized command structures are prone to overconfidence and inflexibility

I'm not sure what you think the movie was trying to say about fascism, but...
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>>34438807
BUG PLASMA CAN'T PROPEL ASTEROIDS!
IT WAS A FALSE FLAG!
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>>34440110
Because Dune also exists.
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>>34442321
>The movie was exactly what the book preached. You guys are just ignoring the ending because of the stupid romcom bits.

Except Rico was fillipino in the book.
Carl died on pluto as he did got selected in R&D.
Carmen appears like once or twice in the book.
Rico joined military because Carl too. So it's interracially gay as fuck.
Have you even read the book?
It's very gay about being part of military rather than any of the thing you mentioned. Politics, at it's best is just some dude lecturing you why the world is like that.
Go fucking read the book first. It's a terrible memoir of a soldier boy.
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The mini nukes negate all tanks and armor.

Its more cost effective to field meatbags with shit tons of mini nukes
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>>34442392
Son do you need a knife stabbed in your arm?
If you wanted to teach a baby a lesson, would you cut its head off? Of course not. You'd paddle it. There can be circumstances when it's just as foolish to hit an enemy city with an H-bomb as it would be to spank a baby with an axe. War is not violence and killing, pure and simple; war is controlled violence, for a purpose. The purpose of war is to support your government's decisions by force. The purpose is never to kill the enemy just to be killing him...but to make him do what you want to do. Not killing...but controlled and purposeful violence. But it's not your business or mine to decide the purpose of the control. It's never a soldier's business to decide when or where or how—or why—he fights; that belongs to the statesmen and the generals. The statesmen decide why and how much; the generals take it from there and tell us where and when and how. We supply the violence; other people—'older and wiser heads,' as they say—supply the control. Which is as it should be."
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Japanese designs are dope.
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>>34439520
Victoria movie when?
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>>34438807
Armor was better desu
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>only way to become a citizen is through service
>state doesn't want to lose control of power to a bunch of idiot voters
>send them through a meat grinder instead
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>>34438807

WHICH TROOPER DESIGN BEST TROOPER DESIGN?

>I like the Halo ripoffs personally, but that movie was fucking awesome in its weebness.
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>>34439104
A little late to the party, but I have read the "All You Need is Kill" manga, and I gotta say that Edge of Tomorrow is a good adaption.

Well, more of a retelling than adaption. Because I don't think that the source material would have worked as a self contained movie, especially made by hollywood. I don't think it would have worked.

And despite the differences, it is obvious that those who wrote edge have the manga, as it does have many similarities, and even "easter eggs". Like Rita using a fuckhuge close combat weapon for example.

I honestly think the changes worked for the better, and it should rather be regarded as a retelling than a straight adaption.
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>>34442632
Anyone could try to become a citizen.

Too stupid for the mobile infantry? You were sent to a mine on some moon.

Military service was discouraged by the state.
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>>34442749
Then the whole thing was pointless. If you could just get a job in public sector, surprising that not-citizens were a thing.
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>>34442646
there is a second weeb halo ripoff one coming out this year, starring our all time favourite Big Boss Rico too
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>>34440192
It was originally a book, then a comic, then a movie. I liked the power armour designs from the comic desu.
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>>34442776
The work was dangerous, or hard, or difficult.

The point was to filter those that could not take responsibility for things greater than themselves.

Civilians were more or less equal to citizens. Except the vote and ability to hold public office.
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>>34439698
One of the key concepts was the path to full citizenship was service. Vets got a vote and access to certain jobs, ACTIVE DUTY did not get vote. You had to make it thru service to get franchise.

>>34439891
And certain jobs. They got access to police, political and government jobs. I read it as they had same penalties for law breaking. It was expected that citizens would know better, and they are went thru a equivalent institutional environment.

One of Heinleins comments was ex soldiers would not go to war lightly.


Vote was not a right, it was something earned.

Move was a joke/parody/political commentary by director.

Read the Book! If poor go to used paperback store and buy the book for 5-6 $ read it forget the movie ever existed. It's a very thoughtful but fun book to read.

>>34441073
and in lots of political science classes in the 70s,80's and 90s Don't know about now though.

>>34442632
Concept in Book current government was set up by vets after social breakdown, and it wasn't specifically fair The franchise to vote was limited to vets because that is who they trusted when they restored order. It was effective and difficult to replace because anyone who wanted to over throw it was co-opted into the system.
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>>34440144
>>34440144
looks like shit
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>>34442809
this, they where amazing , in edge of tomorow they are just exo squelette
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>>34443135
And the jackets needed real skill to operate.
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>>34439082
They why does the script blatantly steal plotpoints and character traits from the 88 OVA that weren't in the book?

I think Verhoeven is just convering his ass.
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>>34439240
>>Who started it
>It's not clear how tensions arose between the bugs and the terrain federation, but it escalated into full blown war after the bugs directed an asteroid into Buenos Aires.
Wasn't it extremely questionable that bugs could do something like that? From what I remember, it was between the lines that BA was a regular asteroid impact that was made to fit anti-bug narrative.

[spoiler]And yes, I know I am now defending literal space bugs.[/spoiler]
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>>34442646
I like the weeb one the best because it looks the closest to how the suits were described in the book.
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>>34443447

Lol the federations citizens are full blown retards.
Yeah the bugs that are literally across the galaxy who've you've only been in contact for a few decades(correct?) could launch an asteroid at several times the speed of light and hit your planet.
How the fuck would they even launch an asteroid at earth? Let alone at like 4000 times the speed of light? How do they even know where the earth is?

It was a false flag by the federation.
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>>34438807
They though armoured vehicles were obsolete so they replaced them all with mobile suits, which they didn't use until the third movie for some reason.
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>>34443485
Well in the book, the bugs have spaceships.

In the movie. The bugs are constantly shooting asteroids to spread their spores to other planets.
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>>34442353
Dune always struck me as being pretty dry to read, pardon the pun, even if any Sci-Fi series that takes place on a desert can't resist referencing it at least once so it's kind of omnipresent.
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>>34443559
Do they have FTL as well? And how the fuck do they have ships?
In the movie they sure don't hav ships. Even if they shoot spores into space that still doesn't explain how they can launch an asteroid at earth, know where earth is and launch it something like FOUR THOUSAND TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT
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>>34443578
Yes, though in the book the bug navy was weak compared to the feds.
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>>34442411
On one hand, there is no point to "hold back" on the bugs 99% of the time because they don't know the definition of the word surrender and probably aren't covered by any rules of war as even their non-military castes barring the few sentient ones are animals when not given direct orders, but on the other hand the bugs also lacked the technology that made things like tanks obsolete against ME themselves which would have allowed them to continue to do their jobs if they had bothered to field them. A bit like how the A-10 is dated in conventional war but does just fine in an asymmetrical conflict.
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>>34439127
Armor is better than Starship Troopers.

>>34440110
>>34442353
Hyperion is better than both those series I think
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>>34443578
>Questioning the physical plausibility of moving asteroids in a universe with FTL

More realistically, even a much tinier mass accelerated to a high relativistic velocity (i.e., 99 or 99.9% of c) would be a world killer. Asteroids at many multiples of c is just nonsensical.

I suppose you could make it work if you imagined that the FTL technique would make the matter somehow *less* powerfully interactive with matter in a normal reference frame (and if the "warp" method effectively skips over the near infinite destructive power and energy requirements of high relativistic velocity, so much the better).
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Objectively best science fiction tetrology coming through.

>>34440110
Enders game and its sequels are pretty good. I liked stone tables too even though it's not really science fiction.
>>34442353
Dune is okay overall. It suffers from the Simpsons curse though. Some books are wonderful and some are filler and some are cash grabs.
>>34445699
Hyperion is unoriginal plot driven schlock. All the worst tropes of the science fiction genre.
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>>34443650
The Terran Federation was holding back on the Bugs at first, because they didn't want to escalate into a planet smashing war across the galaxy.

their policy had been punitive strikes and then retreating to armed deterrence.

one of the missions in the book had been on a skinny world. Where they were blowing cities up and killing civilians as retribution for the skinnies helping the bugs. the feds didn't want to conquer the world or break the skinnies ability to fight or collaborate. just make the cost for getting involved with the bugs really high. so that the skinnies would learn the lesson and stay neutral. this arc has one of the best things in the book. Rico throws a PsyOp grenade. all it does is say "i'm a bomb" over and over again. so the skinny civilians would run out of their home . so Rico could kill them all with a flamethrower.
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>>34442992
It was made 18 years on a shitty kids show budget, what do you expect?

>mfw realizing 1999 was almost 20 years ago
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>>34438807
>assuming your ignoring the robot walkers not in the movie but in the book
In my head cannon, the intell was totally bad and the bugs were supposed to be really tiny, like up to the shin tiny, all hiding in small caves. send in troopers with those tunnel nukes and clean up a landing zone. They sent so many guys for the camera crews to get some good propaganda.

Also, I have a feeling the Mobile Infantry doesn't have any tanks or apcs, because some upper brass guy figured that you don't need to drive to the battle if you just drop them right into battle directly. Like that movie about the Bradly fighting vehicle, but instead removing parts until its just guys with rifles and tactical nukes. Kinda like warhammer 40ks drop pods, except the cargo is expendable in the extreme.

>its all about showing how dumb using the exact same tactics as bugs is, then latter at the fort, to show how impossible it would be to resit such tactics with static defense and Mormon stubbornness. They imply they figure out how you would deal with them after zapping that brain bug that they were very lucky to find.
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>>34446337
You're not getting my point.
The asteroid wasn't going .99c, it wa going or would have to be going something like 4000c, maybe 8000 or 12000 or even 16000c depending on when the bugs and humans came in contact. Klendathu is on the other side of the Galaxy. To reach earth in that time frame that's how fast it would need to be going. Another thing the asteroid wasn't going .99c when it the planet, ur was going to normal asteroid speeds. Did it somehow decelerate as it approached earth? It's a rock, it can't.
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>>34439314
The answer to what I assume if a question, would be volume of fire
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wow those were both some retarded ass questions
>why dont they have more armored vehicles
these typically reduce the amount of eyes + guns you have on your surroundings, especially if they have more than the essential crew inside.
The best way to not get RPG'd or even just shot is to have a whole squad keeping their eyes open and engaging targets as aggressively as possible.
>why dont the troops have more body armor
mobility is more valuable.
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>>34442646
Studio Nue is the only option.

The others are:
>Generic rip-off of Colonial Marines from Alien.
>Generic Halo power armor rip-off.
>Generic video game power armor like you'd see in Half Life or Fallout.

Also, they're the only ones who actually give a single fuck about how the books portrayed them.
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>>34447893
>everyone implying the rock was intentionally flung from klendathu
>not realizing it was a normal fucking asteroid
>propaganda spun up a false enemy to build a meat grinder.
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>>34439284
That's pretty much how Hollywood works these days.

>Take a good story.
>Throw out everything that made it good.
> create newish story loosely based on some plot point from original
> claim to be artistic
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>>34438807
The movie is a satire. This is like complaining that Robocop was bad at community policing.

Realistically there probably wont be any live humans involved in ground fighting that far in the future.

Also, the book was pretty mediocre. I don't understand why people love it so much. It preaches about this great society then never explains why it's so great beyond SPESS MURHEENS. "It's the best we've done because it just works." Well, fantastic. Consider me riveted. Best thing about the book was it's length.
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>>34446774
>Hyperion is unoriginal plot driven schlock. All the worst tropes of the science fiction genre.

I respectfully disagree.
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>>34447893
The relativistic stuff is true for every sci fi novel. Wherever FTL is possible, it's almost impossible to impose a framework where leveling planets wouldn't be feasible from across the galaxy. Defense losses all meaning at that point as you can't even see something going at light speed ahead of time, till it rams into you and you're dead.

But if you take this away.
in the movie:
There is no reason to assume the bugs launched that asteroid recently. They have been shooting asteroids across the galaxy at potential planets for a long time.
In the book, with FTL drives, they could have just "teleported" the asteroid to near earth and propelled it from there.
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No, Star Wars and pretty much every Sci-fi Gunship is based off the Mi-24 Hind.

It is explicitly stated in a handful of guides/an interview that Lucas based the Republic LAAT gunship off of the Russian Mi-24.
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>>34447774
>mfw 1986 was 30 years ago
Oh how time flies when you are working and then shitposting
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