what do you think about the BMPT first combat deployment

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>>34433230

>>34433230
guns are inaccurate as shit.
that different armour on top of the side ERA is interesting though

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>>34433547
>guns are inaccurate as shit.
it don't need to be accurate
>that different armour on top of the side ERA is interesting though
they are design to stop tandem HEAT

>>34433559
too bad it won't stop a top attack TOW or Javelin

What's the sense of having 2x30mm? Never seen that, besides on SPAAGs

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>>34433582
smoke grenade can stop Javelin if the tank can detect incoming missile

>>34433594
the was design after Afghanistan and Chechen war

basically you need a high ROF auto cannon to destroy RPG and ATGM launcher

how many weeks before we see one captured by rebels?

>>34433656
it depend on the front they deploy it to
rumour is Desert Hawk will operate this BMPT

so Dier Ezzor or maybe Raqqa, it will be easy game

if they sent the BMPT to East Ghouta or Daraa, it will throw turret very soon

>>34433618
>smoke grenade stopping infrared imaging top attack missile
Yeah, no

>>34433688
>Anti-FLIR smoke grenades
>Quantity: 12, 81mm 3D17
>Obscured band: 0.4 .. 14 mkm
>Bloom time: 3 sec
>Cloud persistence: 20 sec

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>>34433232
>>34433230
>>34433618
dat upper glacis applique armour is rad as fuck.

>>34433707
If you're not moving the terminal guidance will still hit you and if you are moving the kalman filter will hit you where you are predicted to be. I rate smoke as a very improbable countermeasure for IR missiles, it just doesn't create enough unpredictability given the speed and size of target

>>34433769
>upper glacis applique armour
those are Relikt ERA

>>34433559
>it don't need to be accurate

It uses volume of fire to compensate for a lack of accuracy.

>>34433975
it main mission is to dump a tons of HE down range into some damn rebel

So how would it compare to modern NATO IFV's, say Puma or so?

>>34434083
it's a t90 hull so it blows the puma to hell.

>>34434005
Its main mission is to be inefficient with ammunition?

>>34434199
trading ammo efficiency for hit probability, yes

>>34434246
Instead of just making a more accurate gun and having both ammunition efficiency and hit probability.

>>34434399
Russian auto cannons are shit. What don't you understand?

>>34434449
And your basis for this is....?

>>34434399
>>34434199
>>34434083
>>34434005
It's main mission is to be sent into urban conflicts with armored units, rapid slewing high elevation turrets allow it to suppress any pop up targets which is then followed up by grenades into the same area.

Past Russian experience has shown tanks cannot elevate their guns enough nor bring them on target to respond to fast enough

>>34434399
/k/'s intelligence never ceases to amaze me.

>>34433230
It's going to be very interesting to see how it performs.
My guess is that until the jihadis figure out its weak spots, it will tear ass thanks to the autocannons and substantially heavier armor than the BMPs, while having superior situational awareness in urban environments than a T-72 or T-90.
Since it doesn't have a big honking 125mm tank gun, it has a much easier time aiming at targets above it at close range, which will definitely help in dissuading short-range RPG attacks.

And since it doesn't have the lolcarousel autoloader with the crew sitting ontop, crew survivability will skyrocket. Not too sure about its ATGM launchers, the 2A42 has enough oomph to take out any "armor" the jihadis have.
Maybe they're loaded with thermobaric warheads instead of HEAT?

>>34434664
>saying Russia should make an autocannon on par with what the West has had for decades is considered low intelligence

>>34434699
>This Russian autocannon is shit and inaccurate because I say so

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>>34433547
>guns are inaccurate as shit.

>>34434153

The T-90 chassis does not provide the same level of mine protection as the SPz Puma and I am not even talking about its mobility.

>>34433582
>Kebabpeople
>Javelins

I don't believe you

>>34434760
fucking KMW pls go.

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>>34434802

Open your eyes, UVZ salesman.

>>34434751
Oh look. Slavaboos everyone

>>34434449

Get the fuck out. The 2A42 is excellent and only recently have Western designs caught up to it. The 2A70 is a mess.

Russian aircraft cannons were always good.

>>34434860
>I have nothing to back up my point so I'm going to call people slavaboo

You're making the claim that the gun is inaccurate, the burden of proof is on you, dickface.

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>>34433230
>>34433232

Where are these pictures taken ?

>>34434675
I'm inclined to agree with you but because the arabs operating it are fucking retarded and send shit out alone with no support. It does look a lot more survivalable though due to no retard ammo carousel the crew sit on.

To maximize its usefulness it needs to be supported by infantry. It will quickly become a priority target in engagements. A active defense system would be amazing for this.

>>34434751
It's called inaccurate because we can watch videos of tracer dispersion, or simply videos of the barrels flopping around when it fires.

>>34434868
I bet you love that cannon flexing don't you?

>>34434399
this is also why every infantryman should be issued a DMR and 5.56/5.45 should be abandoned

>>34434868
The fucking 25mm M242 has been a better gun than the 30mm 2A42.

>>34434907
Poor analogies are not arguments.

>>34434902
>It's called inaccurate because we can watch videos of tracer dispersion, or simply videos of the barrels flopping around when it fires.

So you're basing it on conjecture, and not actual test data? Good to know the minds at /k/ are so scientifically minded.

>>34434868
>>34434911
Fuck you niggers, everybody knows the 40mm Bofors L/70 is the best autocannon.
Screw your tiny-dicked American autocannons.

>>34434988
>videos of the gun in action
>conjecture

>>34435038
>What range are they firing at
>What ammunition are they firing
>What orientation is the vehicle in
>What kind of ground is the vehicle on
>Is the vehicle standing still or moving
>How long is the firing burst?
>How large is the target
>Who is operating the gun? Military crew, TV personality, politician, civilian etc

Conjecture
kənˈdʒɛktʃə

noun
an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.

verb
form an opinion or supposition about (something) on the basis of incomplete information.


Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

It looks cute. Kinda like a vehicle from CnC or a similar RTS

>>34435034
Sweden, yes.

>>34435034
>not 40mm CT

Supershot is an inferior technology anon.

>>34435062
Now tell us which of thise variables is responsible for the barrel flex present in every single video of a 2A42 firing.

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>>34435097

>>34435085
>40mm Bofors
>supershot

40CT is good as long as you don't want to stretch the length of the penetrator.

>>34435101
>the claim you have made from the start is moving goalposts

I can hear the REEEEEE echoing over the horizon.

>>34435123
>I cannot provide any proof other than my own conjecture which amounts to "It's Russian and there for it's shit"

And if you're talking about the barrel moving during firing, that's the operating mechanism & recoil absorption.

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>>34435097
>Barrel flex

All barrels flex when firing, are you new to firearms perchance?

>>34435123
No, he was saying the barrel is made out of PVC piping.

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>>34435185
Watch a 2A42 flex and a Western gun flex and tell us the difference in what you see.

>>34435166
see >>34435038

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>>34435117

Nobody cares, we are not asking it to destroy a MBT at combat range.

>>34435249
>CT40 is superior
flaw pointed out
>NO ONE CARES!!!

>>34435227
So your still affirming that all you have is conjecture, no actual data to back up your position.

Hey, I can do the same.

The M197 is a shitty helicopter gun because it jams constantly based on what one Cobra gunner said.

>>34435364
>The M197 is a shitty helicopter gun because it jams constantly based on what one Cobra gunner said.

Ironically, you are right, it is a POS that jams.

>>34435272

It's hardly a "flaw", the gun is very powerful with its APFSDS rounds. If anything is armoring up above that level then it is going to to MBT levels, which really isn't an autocannon target any more, no matter if you can squeeze a few more mm's or not.

But then /k/ loves to make imagined problems out of incredibly minor things to try and bash things, so what can you expect.

>>34433547
I gonna need a source too.

I mean, it's believable, but then again, this board is retarded.

>>34433594
Supposedly, one gun is loaded with anti-personnel rounds, and the other is loaded with armor-piercing
rounds

>>34433770
Yeah, they're more of a pre-missile fire thing.

>>34435458
>lack of growth potential
>not a flaw

>>34435364
>every single video of a 2A42 firing is conjecture

>>34434988
>>34435472
https://youtu.be/xcXoU_z-k7I?t=197

>mfw the guns jiggle better than my girls ass
I need a new girl

>>34435610
Oh, and in case 4chan embedding fucks up the timestamp it's at 3:17 in the video.

>>34435395
>>34435364
Other anon here, I believe you are talking about https://youtu.be/fdOtHUp20Pk. I think you are both kind of right: we see that there are two different rate of fire in the video. In the beginning, during the missile launch, we can see the bus standing in the lower left corner. I estimate it is about 700m away. With the slow ROF, one can see that all the rounds go through one window, despite the barrels flexing. At the high ROF, the rounds go everywhere and the whole bus explodes. Yes, I can see barrel flex, tracer dispersion and inaccurate fire, but only at the high ROF.

>>34435592

Oversimplifying something to try and make it sound like a big issue isn't helping you any.

The gun is already amongst the best for power against vehicles among autocannons on vehicles. The only vehicles outside of its capability are the ones that would be outside of ANY autocannon, and given thats how these vehicles end up, will remain that way.

If a vehicle has to armor up THAT much to resist 40CT ammo, then it's gone way past the point of being an autocannon target class vehicle anyway.

>>34435636
The irony being these are viable argument against switching from 30mm to 40CT.

>>34434797
>moderate, saudi suplied freedom fighters

>>34435592

The CT40 lets you put a bigger gun on a vehicle & turret combination than you otherwise would. The limiting factor here was the AFV platform it was put on, not the gun itself. So the fact you can't lengthen the penetrator is only an issue if you put the CT40 on a platform that could have taken a big conventional gun.

>>34435629
It might have its FC programmed for dispersion at high rate of fire. I remember we had to do that for our RWS/GMG combo, so that it actually suppressed when firing full-auto instead of just hitting the same spot with each round.

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>>34435710

There are 30mm resistant vehicles out there though. There's not any 40mm ones in that target range yet, at least not in terms of modern penetrators.

There's also other reasons some prefer 40mm to 30mm, the airbursts are extremely powerful for example. Some militaries prefer knowing their autocannon can shrek anything less than an MBT, frontally, at range; while also still having excellent anti-infantry ability.

Some prefer having the larger quantity of ammo, under the opinion that suppression will happen more than direct kills.

There's arguements both ways on 40mm vs 30mm. They both have their merits, which is why you're seeing multiple nations across NATO and NATO's allies going for both sides of it.

>>34435824

It's not just about the vehicle size that can mount it. The CT also gives a crapton more internal space. So vehicles that are going to rely on having a shitload of internal systems, monitors, comms and the like (such as networked recce vehicles like the Ajax) the CT40 is a perfect pick, as it impedes so little into the turret and gives space for that extra gear.

It's all about your specific needs.

>>34435833
Here in Norway we have gone for 30mm cannon and roof-mounted 40mm RWS. Kinda like a halfway point before spending money on a new gun for our CV's. The extra hull-down capability using the RWS is a bonus for us though, and works pretty well in our terrain. Low-hanging branches are a bit of an issue, but it seems to work. The 40mm also gives us a slight indirect fire capability as well

>>34435830
How do you do that? Is it semi-random or a specific pattern? Do you just make the control system a bit more sluggish?

>>34435824
>The CT40 lets you put a bigger gun on a vehicle & turret combination than you otherwise would.

Sure, when your comparison is an old 40mm Bofors.

>>34435833
>There are 30mm resistant vehicles out there though.

None that a 40CT user will ever be shooting at.

>>34435062
>>34434988
Vatnik proofster response: Asking for proof beyond any logic and on an level hardly anyone can provide in order to "disprove" the arguement. This of course never questioned or critized when it is the other way round, then you are of course to stupid to make simple conclussions.

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>>34436010

Sure, you could upgrade the Bofors 40mm, but there is only so much you can do to reduce size with a full length conventional 40mm round, pic related.

>>34435959
The RWS platform could mount any number of things, from 7.62mm to 12.7, along with 40mm and Javelins. Now, the ballistics computer needs to know what type of weapon is mounted. When i was there they were working on programming the ballistics for the 40mm. I think they programmed it to deviate a few arc-seconds per shot, depending on range. I never got any more details than that, but i assume it was some kind of left-right-up-down concept. This was only for burst/auto setting though. When you had it in single-shot, you could literally hit man-sized targets out to 1200-1500 meters(sidewinds not included). Shit was dope

>>34436435
I will take Fourty Super over the 40mm Bofors and 40CT.

It's basically the ideal urban warfare armoured fighting vehicle. It can't win a war by itself, but it will produce better results than the BMP-2s and T-72s that the Syrian Republicans are using.

>>34433594
faster switch between he and ap just pull an other trigger.

>>34435629

Accuracy looks pretty good here.

Main problem with this thing is lack of stabilization.

>>34437394
And with a dual belt feed mechanism, you can switch at the press of a button...

>>34437614
that's not the slav way of doing things anon
the slav just adds more dakka not more technology

>>34435610
Why do both barrels jiggle when only one is being fired?

Why does it look like the guns are at different elevations? I can't find anything about them having seperate elevators.

Now, this was from 2013, so they could have fixed it, but we are talking about Russia here.

>>34438062
The BMPT in Syria is a different model anyway.

>>34438062
>Why do both barrels jiggle when only one is being fired?

because they are basically free floated. the idiots itt still habeeb the bull barrel for accuracy meme when all the rest of the non retarded world has realized that free floated, undisturbed barrels are the key to accuracy. thick barrels just increase your ability to shoot longer strings before you start overheating. Pencil barrel ARs with lowest pro gasblocks can be sub 1MOA guns.

>>34433230
It's a solution looking for a problem.

Maybe it'll do something when you have retards like Syrians trying to fight, but there's a reason why even Russian MoD laughed at them when they kept presenting it for them to buy.

>>34438277
>In 2010, Chief of Armaments of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation Vladimir Popovkin said that the BMPT along with the 2S25 and BMD-4 will not be accepted into service due to the armored vehicles being developed on chassis' from the Soviet era.[27] Russia has instead ordered the new T-15 Armata IFV.


>Order the T-15 instead

>>34433547
>that different armour on top of the side ERA is interesting though
Its literally a concrete block.

>>34434399
i like this idea a lot more

>>34435610
ok, yea, i think my dick is stiffer than those barrels.
and i'm fuken 60.

>>34435610
It's the soul that matters, anon

>>34438249
Thank you for the excellent example of Dunning Kruger.

>>34433688
do you not know how infrared works?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd-RbvHVjcI

2:50ish

>>34440547
Do you know the Soviet Union never adopted a smoke grenade that blocked IR light? Meaning if WW3 had ever happened they would simply be blinding themselves while anything equipped with thermal sights would be unaffected.

>>34440571
Now compare that wobble to a 30mm Bushmaster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UolMYY7QaA

Why didn't they use the 30mm found on the tunguska? I think ther terminator would be much better with those and more autocannon amunition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fFcZy-PbpA

>>34440579
But what relevance does this have to do with a post soviet era vehicle? Why are you assuming that no smoke grenades which blocks IR light dont exist for russian vehicles today?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shtora
http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/cv/weapon/launchers.html
It is nothing special today.

>>34440606
So you're still basing your conclusion on nothing but conjecture

>>34433230
>BMPT

Shit posting aside we can all agree it does look pretty fucking cool

>>34438398
Yeah, the T-15 is a completely different vehicle that fulfills a separate role than the bmpt. The BMPT is a gimmick, there's a reason why they could only con the khazks into buying them.

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>>34442473
see >>34436051
We wait to see your response in the next thread when it is about western stuff instead. Oh wait, people like you never do that and that is why what you say is worth nothing, you fucking hypocrite. Now prepare for the next standard defense of how i am not allowed to say that and i have to prove it to say it, while in reality anyone even half assed unbiased could see this behaviour form people like you for years now.

>>34442588
This.
If the sides were switched, we could prepare ourself for the standard russboo rant about how we are in denial, butthurt and in damage control or something, and people like him would sit beside with a shitgrin silence like the hypocrite he is.

>>34442588
>>34442615
So instead of providing facts and figures to back up your assertion, you make implications to what I do or do not like, and resort to whataboutism.

And people say vatniks are delusional, factless morons?

>>34442054
Because the 2A42 or 72 are lighter guns.
They do have one problem though: overheating.
They've got a very thin barrel relative to other autocannon designs, so their sustained fire capabilities fall short compared to guns like the 30mm Bushmaster.

>>34443009
>implies he actually cares about facts and dont just says so at this moment since it suits him in this discussion
>implies we cant see this hypocrite behaviour for years now
Yes, we talk about YOU instead of the facts, because YOU are the actual problem here and debating the fact would just be a lost cause, because there is an entire different intetnion behind your posts.

>>34434083
It isn't an IFV. No crew capacity, its only role is to provide close combat/urban warfare support for tanks and infantry. It's like if someone brought you a WASR-10, and asked you how it would compare to a Mossberg 500 or a CZ-75.

>>34443009
If you cared about facts you would acknowledge that the 2A42 has a large amount of wobble.

If tank guns could elevate or depress more then they wouldn't need this thing at all

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>>34443342

>>34443102
The problem here is idiots like you making baseless accusations and passing around conjecture as undeniable facts.

This is why /k/ is a fucking laughing stock on other military boards and forums. You can never have a discussion about something without an idiot vatnik shitting all over the Abrams or F-35, or idiot burgerclap dismissing all Russian equipment as being shit.


On the actual topic itself, these guns (the 2A42) has been in service since the early 80s. If it had the issues that you idiots claim it has, then it should be trivial to bring up some actual citations.

>>34443342
That's his point, you're not bringing in actual data into the discussion.

>>34443382
Video of the 2A42 firing is not conjecture.

There is not a forum on military equipment that exists and doesn't have rampant nationalism, trying to deflect like that is a hilarious attempt at ad populum.

>>34443411
>you didn't measure the multi inch wobble down to the last micron, your argument is invalid

>>34443420
>Video of the 2A42 firing is not conjecture.

The conclusion of "the barrel flexes/wobbles, therefor it has to be inaccurate" IS conjecture

>>34443436
>a barrel pointing in a different direction every time it fires has poor accuracy
>THAT IS CONJECTURE!!!

wew laddy

>>34433688
Fucking powerlines have stopped javelins

>>34443464
No they haven't.

The 2A42 and 2A72 have been in service since the 1980's, across a wide range of vehicles and aircraft, in service in many different nations.
If what is being said here say is true (that the 2A42 is "inaccurate as shit" because "the barrel wobbles on this one vehicle when firing"), then there should be a large amount of information that can corroborate this. Especially from export customers who should be pissed at the things not being able to hit point targets at the specified effective range.

I know Finnish BMP-2 crews, and have never heard them complain about the gun's accuracy.

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>>34443382
You are the fool here, we are just giving you enough leash to hang yourself and embaress yourself only further. We got every month someone like you, declaring bullshit and parroting it, like it means a thing or like you got any credit and say in anything. Then after some time when you strutt around long enough like a feathered chicken, declaring alone your victory over and over again, and it becomes even too unfunny and borig for the last of us, we wil give you the facts that completly dismantles what you said and proves all you said in the past days to weeks was just once again meaningless blubber, like we had seen so many times before. Same thing as with the talk of Armarta being way smaller then an M1A2, we could hear this literally for months, we could hear people like you screeching for facts and when presented it was just screetched how this doesnt means anything, how it was wrong and how stupid we all were for even believing anything like the Armata being bigger then an M1A2. Finally someone delivers something that makes it too embaressing even for your kind to continue (picture related) and you fall back to another of your old mantras: totaly silence about it, acting like it never happened, never admitting you were wrong and then finally starting the same exact bullshit with the next thing, pretending it doesnt matter how you started the last times.

>>34443411
Classic proofster. You would screech all day how we are stupid how we dont conclude how the wobbling barrels lead to problems when the sides are reversed.

>>34443489
>the barrel wobbles on this one vehicle when firing

Why is this in quotes? Are you blind? Is youtube banned in your country? So many questions, so little time...

>>34443503
>Why is this in quotes?

Because there are a multitude of factors that could be causing (or exaggerating) the issue.
Like the way the weapon is mounted. When you look at BMP-2s or BMP-3s firing their 2A42 and 272s, you don't see "barrel wobble" like that.

So instead of dismissing the gun, you dismiss the retards at the BMPT design team at Uralvagonzavod for sticking a lightweight gun on a lightweight mount.

>>34433230
How many did Russia send? Did Syria buy them? Are they crewed by Russians or Arabs?

>>34443489
>because "the barrel wobbles on this one vehicle when firing"
>putting that in quotes
The denial is strong in this one. Also it will be the reason why no one will ever side with you, since everyone can see how you cant even admit the things that everyone else literally can see.

>>34443529
The mounts in both the BMP-2 and BMP-3 support the barrel.

It probably doesn't help the BMPT that each gun 'blasts' the other with its muzzle brake.

>>34443686
Do you think there is some equilibrium with the expressed gasses/force? Or is it impossible because they are alternating when firing and not sumultanious

>>34444030
Best guess is that the designers memed it up thinking having autocannons would attract more buyers.
Notice how the vehicle the Russians went and adopted, the T-15, only makes use of a single gun.

>>34443364
Kek

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just stirring the pot some more

>>34443497
wow
chock one up in your sad little notepad file. you defeated me. im done. good job
too bad this thread is going to 404 and no one will even remember this thread a few days from now. such a strong, vicious killing blow for so little.

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>>34445123
>totaly not assblasted or anything

>>34445183
>assblasted
summer

>vatniks get BTFO again
>they try to shun it with absence so the thread dies and no one sees them getting rekt
have a bump

>>34445123
Sure are angry at being told off, shillboi

>>34434797
>American sells weapons to Saudi Arabia
>Saudi Arabia funds Isis/ moderate "rebels"
>America gives weapons to moderate "rebels"
>Isis somehow has weapons that were given to moderate "rebels"

>>34446521
i would like to buy for 400: what is every war ever?

fucking summertards

>>34446521
90% of it is

>US gives Iraq weapons
>Iraqis drop their weapons and run away
>???????
>ISIS M1 Abrams

>>34446558
>>34446595
>America "accidentally" bombs Syrian forces killing 62 wounding over 100
>Isis just happens to launch a massive offensive after this

Wew it's as if America and Israel want to prolong this war

>>34446768
or that shit happens in a war. there is probaly dust under your bed, have you already found a way for yourself to blame the usa and jews for that as well? btw nice obvious try to derail the thread, assmad vatnik.

>>34446836
Not a Slav but nice try assuming that everyone that disagrees with America's foreign policy is a Russian
at least the Russians aren't shitting up the Middle East and North Africa so much that their problems pour into Europe
>thanks for killing Gaddafi America :,) you truly are greatest ally

>>34446892
>at least the Russians aren't shitting up the Middle East

That's where you're wrong kiddo

>>34446892
>quick i have been found out
>more derails
>more derails!!!
>o-h god why wont it work?
because you guys simply cant stop doing the same thing over and over again, it is always like talking with parrots or people with dementia. and to give you something to think about: why is it that the countries with the "based" dictators, that are soooo good for us as you say, always produce the most radicals? could it be that they are creating them? make people run into the arms of the radicals? would be unfortunate if it was this way , would it not? your whole little mindbubble would pop like the fat lie it is.

>>34446987
Wow that's some CNN level of thinking. Maybe they do put something in the tap water over where you are.

>>34447172
>CNN meme
are you able to articulate one response that isnt a standard shill one? if you keep on this level a bit further we only can assume you would fail a turing test as a human.

>>34445106
tfw some rice farmer shot your F-4 with a MiG-17

>>34447198
He's right though, you are literally using mainstream media talking points.
Not to derail or anything, this will be my only post but the reason there tends to be radicals in as you say "dictator" run countries is obviously because you need a strong hand in a place where a large amount of your population can be radicalized easily.
In addition.....
>Not knowing that most of the fighters fighting the Syrian government are not actually from Syria.

>>34447860
>"enlighted" image board tier shill garbage
how suprising NOT
>but the reason there tends to be radicals in as you say "dictator" run countries is obviously because you need a strong hand in a place where a large amount of your population can be radicalized easily.
all that arguement goes to ash the second you realise that the radicals grow under those dictators and dont perish, free yourself over that simple predigested arguements that are handed to you by shills to parrot, like the useful idiot you are. this narritive of knowing more because you dont think like most, while actuall just fall for some elses garbage instead is rather repitive with people like you.
>this will be my only post
doubt it, problem with people like you is, you get the itch of a loyal dog to do your trained task, you will see this post and really need effort in bringing yourself not to answer, this is how good they trained you already. you dont have to answer, you can admit it to yourself in silence.

when are they getting deployed there?

>>34447860
Like a trained fucking puppy. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with your brain? I cant comprehend how people can so willingly hop to defense of such shitposters, it is almost like a clock work.
>shit shill shills
>shit shill gets defended
>shit shill shills
>shit shill gets defended
>shit shill shills
>shit shill gets defended
...
Take your shit tier pol garbage and get lost. You may think people cant counter your bullshit, while actually they just just see what you say, shake their head in disbelief over what you think is true and just let you stew in your own shit further, since it aint worth the try to clean you from it, because it simply would mean too much work and you would be happily playing with and throwing your shit while doing it.

>>34447974
Now.

They've been there since last week.

>>34434988
This is the most Russian post I've seen all year. Why are you guys so eternally butthurt defensive?

And I'm not even American

>>34448226
really? are there any vids of them out in the field?

>>34446987
>why is it that the countries with the "based" dictators, that are soooo good for us as you say, always produce the most radicals? could it be that they are creating them?

Nope, America has always been the one creating them. For example, the Philippines. All it took was the Philippines president getting cozy with China, then ISIS suddenly wants a base in their islands.

>>34448263
Videos will come after their out in the field.Probably after their edited with dank Nasheed.

>>34448273
You guys could be taken serious, if you werent changing your story every other second, first the US is at fault because they get involved, now they are because they are not involved in a country anymore. Its just always jadda jadda bad US all their fault, all others always innocent and better option. It is just the standard conspirtard mindest, were you first get the conclusiin and then look at the facts, who am i fooling, misinterpret, ignore and draw the wrong conclusions.

>>34448289
>>34448263
They are new in the field, they wont get risky jobs right from the start, keep in mind the personal probaly needs some training and the leadership wont want to wreck them so early.

>>34443009
You literally argue like a child. And I'm someone who actually likes the BMPT.

>>34446987

>Iraq , Libya and Syria need and needed their dictators eliminated because "muh radicals and terrorism"
>Completely disregards that their ally Saudi Arabia funds terrorism world wide and is currently bombing the shit out of Yemen

Everyone that disagrees with me is a Putin paid troll or a Russian shill! They just spew out Kremlin propaganda! I know so because the people that told me that the 2016 elections were hacked and that there were WMDs in Iraq said so

>>34445123
Good grief. Just kys already

Thanks for fucking ruining a great discussion on interesting Russian vehicles you fgt

>>34448451
>muh poor dictators didnt du nuffin
>it was bogeyman saudi arabia of course
>muh i say you think everyones a paid shill
One would think you would debate with him >>34448273 since he falsely said the US is always behind everything, but why would you? You are happily strolling together through the fields, holding hands and throwing the predigested propaganda bullshit that was handed to you around yourselves. Just joking, you are super enlighted knowers of the truth, who got their news and informations from the bad parts of image boards and of course arent useful idiots or anything, that would be too meta to even think.

>>34448458
They simply dont even get how they ruin everything for themselves in those threads.

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>>34443420
>>34443497

>Video of the 2A42 firing is not conjecture.

It is conjecture. Would you judge a persons grouping by looking at a video of them shooting, or by looking at their target? Of course we should all know that a barrel wobbling is -normal- and does not necessarily indicate poor accuracy- as long as the barrel is acting in a predictable way.

While it seems likely that the 2A42 is less accurate during rapid fire, I don't think there's any evidence that it's inaccurate during controlled fire- certainly not for fighting infantry in urban environments, which it was designed for. In fact, this video would suggest its accuracy, whether it's good for an IFV or not, is probably fine for the job given the rate of fire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdOtHUp20Pk

The bus seen at 0:37 is hit from 1:28 onward. The video is not edited chronologically and you can see the bus burning at 1:15, as it is at 2:17. That's a grouping against a target that's probably 1km+ away- controlled fire going through the same window and rapid fire lighting the target up. Somehow I don't think a jihadi driving would be joking about wobbly barrels if he were in that bus.

Of course, you'll probably do the exact thing you're accusing the vatniks of doing and claim they're shooting the bus from 20ft away or something so I'm not sure why I'm bothering.

>>34448337
>He thinks he's talking to 1 person
muh anonomos is legion!

>>34449199
The bus was hit by 2 kinds of ammo. The first was armor piercing from the right barrel while the second was high explosive from the left.

>>34449199
>Of course we should all know that a barrel wobbling is -normal-

Multi inch wobble is not normal.

>>34433230
Looks like a Hasbro SDCC 2017 exclusive.

>>34449386

The magnitude is not as important as the ability to return to return to rest before the next shot is fired.

Even if it has an effect on accuracy, the accuracy still seems to be good enough for the intended role.

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Nothing to worry about passengers, the 2A42 has terrible grouping just pick a seat without many exploding 30mm autocannon rounds.

>>34448273
Take of the tinfoil, dude
Islamic militants go back a long time in the region, and the ISIS-allied ones go back to 2013/14

>>34449847
>HE shots need good grouping
They use fucking shilka in syria against infantry

>>34433230
so, what happens if you shoot the missiles on the side? they dont look very armored

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>>34449199
>all that wall of text only to miss the point of the post before him
Or maybe that is the plan, so it looks like he has a response.

>>34449241
>>You guys
>He thinks he's talking to 1 person
Find the error.

>>34450346

>i was only pretending to be retarded

happy chimpout day amerifat

>>34450545
>>so little text only to miss the point of the post before him

I cant be fucked finding a link but if you really care the south korean evaluation of their bmp3's revealed that the autocannon had far less accuracy than advertised.

Look up their brown bear arms for debt deal.

>>34433618
>basically you need a high ROF auto cannon to destroy RPG and ATGM launcher

?

How come? Presumably, if the first round hits nearby, the launcher is dead either way - and if it doesn't, the second parallel gun will also miss?

The only way I can see this making sense is if you don't know where your target is and you're doing traversing fire, in which case 2x rof might place the 2nd and 4th impact between the 1st, 3rd and 5th impact but is that what they do?

Or is it maybe to dig through emplacements faster?

>>34443464
your syphilis riddled mind has confused TOWs for Javelins.

>>34450520
>you guys
>rather than being a diverse group of people with diverse criticisms of US foreign policy with various analytical worth
>are rather just a bunck of fucktaards
>whose sole motivations for saying anything are death to murica

You are changing the facts to suit your conclusions more than any jet fuel don't melt steel beams tinfoiler.

>>34435592
>Deliberately building a bad product so you can later improve it and call it "growth"
>A virtue

Not sure if it's the same gun and can't be bothered to check, but a BMP-2 has a high and low ROF setting for the cannon, low is used for prolonged firing at point targets while high is used for rapid area suppression, and it cannot be used for a prolonged period of time because the gun gases cannot be evacuated fast enough

>>34450704
>Or is it maybe to dig through emplacements faster?

the fact it can "dig through" and saturate an area with fire is pretty substantial, the design itself is basically based on the fact that a tank equipped as an anti-infantry platform was not in used; ivan decided to slap some autocannons, thermobaric missile launchers and AGL’s on their T-90 frame to fill that role.

They used their SPAAGS to counter highly elevated AT position in Chechnya (built up area fighting), which basically have the same guns. Mixing AP & HE and lighting up a building seems like a pretty good and terrifying thing to do in those kind of fights; complement that with burning fuckers alive or lobbing grenades in their general direction and you have a good counter to those entrenched ATGM nests.

>>34450717
>>you guys
>He thinks he's talking to 1 person

>You are changing the facts to suit your conclusions

The irony.

>>34450733
Do you actually think you are talking to multiple guys actually involved in a conspiracy to drag the name of the US into disrepute?

Because that is what I am surmising from your posts.

Second post ITT btw.

>>34450745
>conspiracy
And were is that written? Can you do something beside pulling stuff out of your arse? Oh, i forgot you are so stupid that you think
>you guys
is one person.

>>34450761
I never said you guys was one person. In fact, I said the opposite, as a conspiracy requires more than one person acting in concert.

You seem to think that 'you guys' is a group of people that are acting in concert with the intent of denigrating the US, rather than a diverse group of people, with diverse and often incompatible opinions.

I suppose that would make the most use of your limited cognitive faculties. You know, if your goal was to protect your ego rather than actually learn something, thereby at least attempting to escape your intellectual midgetry.

>>34450773
Oh look, a "neutral" observer post, how rare we see one of those at that point of the discussion NOT.

>>34450805
>NOT
Kek, the 1990s called, they want their retarded half comeback back.

I am not being neutral here. I am openly stating you sound like a total dumbass who lacks any modicum of self-awareness and tries to pass that up off as a conspiracy of conspiratards out to get him.

>>34433230
>a thread discussing a new syrian war machine devolved into slaviboo vs ameriboo screeching
why is this allowed

>>34450773
see >>34448166
The amount of people like you poping up right after the other made an crucial error is really uncanny.

>>34450812
>Kek, the 1990s called
Not everyone is so new here like you with your reddit spacing.

>>34450812
>the 1990s called
>they want their retarded half comeback back.
Well about that...

>>34450833
Yes, it's a regular reddit conspiracy here to make you and the US look stupid.

Keep telling yourself that. It will help you never have to learn a goddam thing.

>>34450841
>I can't appreciate intentional irony, the post

>>34450842
Are you a farmer? Or how do you manage to get all that straw for your strawmans?

>>34450846
>dealing with the substance of people's posts makes a strawman

ok

>>34450856
>again gives an exegerrated riducled response implying about conspiracies while there is no basis for this
>talks about dealing with the substance of people's posts
inb4 you are just trolling

>>34450717
I like how you attack him, right at the second the other one he is talking to made an obvious error and then magically disappears. I wish i would get a penny every time i see that happening around russboos. Now you can tell me how i think this is a conspiracy.

What the fuck is the gun in the front of the BMPT next to the driver? Grenade launcher?

>>34450990
Yes, there are 2 crew served grenade launchers

>>34450941
Multiple people acting (conspiring) towards the same goal is the definition of a conspiracy.

>>34450990
Twin grenade launchers, it has a gunner for each. It can engage 3 targets at the same time in theory. The grenade version requires a custom hull, normally the terminator 2 is sold as an upgrade kit and reuses a t-72 hull. This syrian one is special it has the prototype terminator hull with 5 crew and grenades but with the newer terminator 2 turret.

>>34451028
The thing is: hardly anyone would call that a conspiracy especially native english speakers, conspiracy is rather reserved for things that are more coordinated and planed, also a general awarness of being part of said conspiracy is required. You just chose this word because it makes the other side look more unreasonable.

The fuck is going on in this tread?

>>34450704
>How come? Presumably, if the first round hits nearby, the launcher is dead either way - and if it doesn't, the second parallel gun will also miss?

>parallel

The fire control computer can be set to dispersal. Twice the rate of fire means the same size area can be covered with dispersed HE grenades twice as fast.

>>34433230
>>34433232
Is it just me, or are Russians progressively modeling their military vehicles after Decepticons?

>>34443532
1, crew are Russian

>>34438249
But they haven't stopped jiggling by the time the next shot is fired, how does that not adversely affect accuracy?

>>34451072
>YOU just chose the word you make the other side look unreasonable

That accusation carries 2 implications
>I am the one who mentioned conspiracies in the 1st place.
False

>anyone who disagrees with what you are saying is trying to discredit you
Ergo you are thinking others are conspiring against you.

I must say you do quite a good job of trying to make yourself look paranoid and unreasonable by trying to word police other peoples posts without any help from others

>>34451446
>>I am the one who mentioned conspiracies in the 1st place.
>False
but you literally did, search the thread for "conspi", your post is the first mentioning it

>Ergo you are thinking others are conspiring against you.
or people just have other means as they claim as so often, who would call that conspiraring on an image board? and since this is an image board there is a far more fitting word: shilling

>I must say you do quite a good job of trying to make yourself look paranoid and unreasonable by trying to word police other peoples posts without any help from others
kys, people like you are the reason we cant have any reasonable threads any more, all you can make is build strawmans, imply things that arent the case, debate things on an useless autistic level that isnt ment to be this was to begin with and declare yourself victor like so many idiots before you, while at the same time having no one who supports you

t. other anon

>>34451446
>babies first try at shilling
Hello newfag, how about you leave now, dont bother others with your brainfarts and let the adults have a discussion?

>>34450817
Welcome to /k/

>>34451742
Other than you being flat wrong, mine was the 10th post that mentioned the word conspiracy, but good job proving my point about your paranoia =)

>>34451858
Sure you can point me to exactly what shilling I've done Summerchild

>>34434083
Grif stop making up animals.

>>34446987
Are you retarded?

I like it

Been watching videos since it first showed up on the Proving Ground

I hope it does well, and I REALLY hope we get decent vid of it blasting away some sad motherfuckers

I mean seriously
>twin 30mm cannon
>two grenade launchers
>four atgm
>7.62 PK
>tank armor

What's the unit price of one of these things? Is that with or without the ammo?

>>34453060
>Other than you being flat wrong, mine was the 10th post that mentioned the word conspiracy, but good job proving my point about your paranoia =)
Do you have a brain damage or do you mistook this thread for another? You were the one using the word conspiracy for the first time, the only thing that comes close and was before you was conspirtard, which was posted only once before you. Inb4 you are the rusemaster and joined the discussion without saying you are a different anon and think you are right through this. This is my first post in this thread, before things get confusing.

>>34453165
It is so "good", that russia decided to give it a pass and take the T-15 instead, even when it means a lot of more costs for them. It probaly will just be the next export for poor countries thing from Russia, which is somewhat sad, because the whole idea behind it has something.

>>34433230
>what do you think about the BMPT
>first combat deployment in Syria, soon
i think it means the machine is already considered utterly obsolete by the russians.

>>34446768
>Wew it's as if America and Israel want to prolong this war
that was pretty obvious from the get go. us and russia loves the shit out of syrian war.

>>34453419
>original BMPT was just a prototype
>actual export version is just a retrofit for the T-72 chassis
>Russia choosing the T-15 is somehow an implication that the BMPT is bad

The T-15 is much more modern and Russia wants to use only modern stuff which made the BMPT obsolete.

>>34453583
>>Russia choosing the T-15 is somehow an implication that the BMPT is bad
Yes, it is not rocket science.
>Russia wants to use only modern stuff
So BMPT is not modern, but at same time totaly fine and not bad.
2/10 made me response.

>>34453419
>>34451028
Was my 1st post

>>34453610
>Inb4 you are the rusemaster and joined the discussion without saying you are a different anon and think you are right through this.
There is a special place in hell for cunts like you.
Inb4 it doesnt matter that you didnt read even a bit of the thread, it is everyones else fault that you made the impression you were that guy.

>>34453419
T-15 is a heavy IFV, it doesn't fill the same doctrinal role as the BMPT would (it doesn't currently have one, which is a big part of why it hasn't been adopted. Higher ups don't know what the hell to do with it.)

>>34453684
Now the fact that you have the wrong person is also someone being Machiavellian, Christ man, seek help

>>34453788
No, it just means you are an idiot that cant communicate on an anonymous image bord.

>>34453966
Alternatively try not assuming, on an anonymous message board, that you are having a 1 on 1 fluid conversation.
I can't wait for Summer to end

>>34454027
Told you were too stupid, thanks for admiting it now.

>>34449199
The mistake here is that you missed the difference in rate of fire between the two videos, as well as between the types of ammunition.

The precise shots were at much lower firing rates than the explosive ones, which had a massive spread (some rounds hit at the center of the bus while others completely at the back). This is like what, 2 meter spread as opposed to not even half a meter?

It's clear from the video posted that the high fire rate excites some fundamental frequency in the guns, which causes them to wobble. It has enough dampening that low fire rates allow it to die down, while high fire rates don't.

>>34454027
Would you look at that, "another" poster hopping to the defense of the idiot and he has a the exact same opinion as the other idiot before, who magically stops posting at the same time. One can only truely wonder...

>>34450209
Shilka`s were used against ground targets since Afghanistan war. Nothing new, really. However, unlike BMPT, Shilka have no armor to speak of.

>>34454181
It's called time zones dear.

>>34454194
more like samefagging

>>34454237
>>34450745
>>34450761
>>34450773
>>34450812
>>34450842
>>34450880
>>34450941
>>34451028

>>34434399
russians: oh ok let's just increase the accuracy setting! why didn't we think of that before?

>>34453117
Am I missing something here? Puma is the German name for cougar, since it's a German IFV it makes sense.

>>34443138
My mistake, I thought it also had a transport capability. What other vehicles play a comparable role in other militaries? Or is this a new doctrinal development, derived from Shilka use in Chechnya/Afghanistan?

ITT: Vatnik apologists make excuses for their equipment being sup-par compared to western countries

>>34450817
Most likely they are not even American and Russian, this level of shit posting requires Canadians and Australians

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>>34454237
Or not =)

>>34454481
>=)
kys

>>34454176

>The mistake here is that you missed the difference in rate of fire between the two videos, as well as between the types of ammunition.

No I didn't, I mentioned that specifically >controlled fire going through the same window and rapid fire lighting the target up.

If you're trying to put a round through a window you can fire single shots. If you're trying to stop a car speeding towards a checkpoint you can smoke it with rapid fire. The BMPT seems accurate enough for both.

Either way, I'm not sure it really matters. Russian imaging probably isn't good enough to spot insurgents beyond that range anyways, and insurgents can't realistically endanger the tank from the same distance without ATGMs. Wobbly barrel meme accuracy doesn't really matter when the purpose of the vehicle is the slaughter people armed with AKs, PKs and RPG-7s.