Hey USA, Hurry the FUCK up We want our F-35sies Polite Regards,

We'll get them to you.

It might get there a bit faster if we, say, get some Maloos and Falcons...

>t. America

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>>34429836
we already have 2 and the rest are coming, stop whinging cunt

>>34431870
It's not even a mating pair though

>>34431870
>we already have 2

Still sitting in the US

actual aussie here instead of some ransheestralian who gets impressed with pretty lights and obnoxious government spending

would much rather quit NATO and buy slavshit TBQH

>>34432461
wehrshit works too, anything but overpriced burgerlard toys
would also be nice not having you niggers come over and pretend you could actually "help" anyone against the big potential threats, when you can't even help yourself against banana dictators
christ, I hate burgers

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>>34430007
Biggest mistake we ever made was not selling these in the US

>>34432471
>>>/pol/ is that way bud

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>>34432461
>Australia
>NATO
You're either not an actual Australian or you're fucking retarded

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>>34432471
Enjoy slowly becoming us, m8.

>>34432479
holy shit, is this what non-whites on all boards gonna do from now on?
pretend your lowIQ nigger incompetence should never be mentioned anywhere aside from /pol?
then again, who else but some fucking shitskin to hide behind a "power" like the states of nigger

>>34432487
You do realise there are like 15 Indigenous people living in the entire country and 9 of them live in bumfuck nowhere, right mr 63% and dropping like a rock?

>>34432471
That's funny because Eurocanards are more expensive than F35s.

>>34432498
does this include the famed american f35 "support" costs?
like paying some jews a gorillion whenever some dust gets somewhere?

>>34432508
Thats more of a euro-problem these days

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>>34430007
Ah bit late, the international jewry shut down Ford and Holden here

>>34432461
>would much rather quit NATO
>when you wake up and realise Australia joined the North Atlantic Treaty Organization

Welp, better invade Poland

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>>34432497
You do realize that doesn't matter because they have higher birth rates than whites, right? You're almost as fat as us too.
>protip: reality is funnier than banter
>ONE OF US, ONE OF US, ONE OF US

>>34432529
haha fat kiwis

>>34432139
been here for months dickhead

>>34432498
The US congress disapprove your statement. It already has been discussed here, this plane is a budget killer.

>>34432139
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-27/joint-strike-fighters-f35-land-in-australia/8308498

Get a grown up to read this to you.

>>34429836
What we should have bought was something like older F-15 platforms and upgraded with F-35 Targeting systems.

Australia lost out big when we retired the F-111 , we no longer have anything that can haul as much , as fast & as far.

You Yanks got any B-1B Rockwell extras sitting out in Mojave we could use to to threaten our regional neighbours who like to threaten us with invasion ?

>>34432498
yes , but the EF-2000 isn't beaten in war games by Cold War Era Russian fighters.

>>34429836
>send mexican food
He's legit Australian.

>>34432529
>>34432487

Aboriginal Australians have recessive genes, they are easily bred out by other races, they are literally a race dying before our eyes. Enjoy becoming a nation of spics and niggers.

>>34432482
We're a partner of NATO and we follow STANAG

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>>34432585
>Who could be behind this post, i wonder

>>34432623
go on?

>>34432478
Easy on my eyes partner

>>34432585
proofs

>>34432508
>Current F-35 CPFH are only $7000 more than an F-16
>And dropping

>>34432595
>>34432576
You can't read dickhead. They came here for the airshow then went back.

The Federal Government is preparing to spend $17 billion on 72 F-35 aircraft, with the first expected to be delivered to Australia in 2018 and enter service in 2020.

>>34432623
>source
>auspower
Shaking my head family

>>34432668
>we follow STANAG

Not fully.

>>34432661
this has to be bait

nobody could possibly be this misinformed about genetics

>>34433329
oh, my sweet summer child...

>>34432618

The F-15E production line is still open fulfilling Qatar's order, which is apparently similar to the F-15SA with an AESA and all those other updates, plus it will be receiving upgrades for years to come. Sure, it doesn't have the same payload as the F-111, but now that PGMs are ubiquitous, that doesn't matter so much, and it also brings long-range interceptor capabilities to the table which the F-111 didn't have. There's still time

>>34433393
The F-111 in RAAF service typically only carried 4 weapons anyway (it only had 4 hardpoints that rotated with the wing and the internal weapons bay was taken up by the Pave Tack). The F-111's real power was its range (and to an extent its speed). Unfortunately (because the F-111 was massive) nothing really comes close to that range anymore; the F-15E's combat radius is only about 2/3 that of the F-111, the F-35A's combat radius is only a little more than half that of the F-111's.

Of course, we have more tankers these days and our jets (both fighters and AWACS) can engage from far further, meaning that it's been an advantageous trade-off from the RAAF's perspective.

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>>34429836
You would have it by now if the US went with the reasonable choice instead of the tacticool model.

>>34433521
kys tripfag

>>34432618
never post again

>>34433590
kek

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>>34429836
http://www.news.com.au/technology/syrian-dogfight-reveals-f35-stealth-fighter-may-be-toothless-tiger/news-story/31bd4208f783da17588045d20aeb5085

F35 is an expensive and fat piece of shit.

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I didn't realize the Aussies couldn't get good Mexican food. Here are some carne asada fries.

I'm guessing y'all get pretty good kebab/gyros though.

>>34432681
>>34433660

You save these from the Aus thread yesterday?

>>34433668
>Su-22 destroyed by the F-35's primary air-to-air weapon

>>34433677
I saved the pic of the F35s/FA18. I've got a kommando archive with 4,600+ pictures.

>>34433660
>fa18c

retard detected.

>>34429836
Here are some tacos from a little family run place about a half mile from my house.

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>>34433709
Forgot the pic. Sorry.

>>34433668
>Looks like we get to share a personal space bubble today!
This is how murders start.

>>34433720
Are you in Columbus GA?

>>34433590
It's always great how quickly morons like you out themselves.

>>34433676
>>34433720
So hungry right now.

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>>34433676
yeah, lot of good asian and indian food too

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>>34434054
on a scale of 1-10?

>>34433668
>news.com.au

into the trash it goes

>>34432478

Can't sell them due to our chicken truck law. Would get taxed out the ass.

>>34434086
Oh sweet mother of god

>>34433985
Nope. Nashville TN.

>>34433703
Is it an A? Single seat, not Super Bug.

>>34429836

Hey USA,

Fuck you.

Signed,

Everyone except those big nosed Israelis and your British lapdog

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>>34434892

>>34434892
You mad 'cause we took your oil? Fuck you faggot, we're gonna bring you some FREEDOM.

>>34432461
So you want to lose your next war?

>>34433596
Dragon is without a doubt one of the best trips on this entire website along with Oppenheimer.
>Summer as fuck

>>34434892
It appears that our superiority has aroused some controversy.

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>>34435294

>>34432699
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-28/f-35-unreliability-risks-strain-on-pentagon-budget-tester-says-j4gpnpbg

>>34433668

>BVR missile that Australia uses worked perfectly, even if the WVR IR missile Australia doesn't currently use didn't.
>4 internal missiles might not be enough, good thing F-35A gets 6 in block 4, the same that a F-16C or F/A-18C might carry.
>Including external carriage F-35A can carry more missiles than the F-16C or F/A-18C.
> Using MADL or Link16 F-35A can direct missiles from other platforms with a 2-way datalink, giving it essentially unlimited ammunition.

It seems that article made a pretty watertight case for the F-35A for Australia.

>>34436127
>POGO

stop sprey-posting.

>>34433590
>less stealthy
>slower
>less manoeuvrable
>less versatile weapons bay
>much worse VTOL solution
>worse sensor suite.
>Higher risk design

The X-32 is what David axe thinks the F-35 is.

I wonder if Boeing will create an equally shit offering for F/A-XX.

>>34432618
HEAR HEAR!

>>34432479
>noose is that way nigger --->

>>34432618
We have some B-1's, but they're always broken. You wouldn't want them. Strike Eagles would serve you better.

>>34436274
>POGO
Wut?
>sprey-posting
...?
da fuck are you talking about??

>>34436864
>Cheers from the peanut gallery

>>34432487
why the fuck is abduction and harassment the thing aussies?

>>34433676

We do get Mexican food in the cities but it's always enormously expensive which just feels disingenuous because I always thought Mexican food was peasant food.

>>34438149

Most likely parents breaching apprehended violence orders and/or breaching parenting orders.

>>34437765
From the article:

>“Even if an F-35 squadron can get to where it is needed, what good is it if it can’t fly them on missions?” analyst Dan Grazier of the Washington-based Project on Government Oversight said in a March 30 review of the test office’s January assessment. “This is one of the most enduring problems of the F-35 program. The fleet has had a notoriously poor reliability track record.”

POGO is the 'Project On Government Oversight'; they have a history of being wrong about military procurement and then pretending that they were never wrong.

Pierre Sprey is an old dude who used to be part of a think tank that would decide aircraft requirements for the USAF.
Back then he was part of the 'fighter mafia', a group of 'analysts' heavily influenced by the experience of the USAF in the early air war in Vietnam, that believed that traditional dogfighting capability (ie: manoeuvring your aircraft to get onto an enemy's tail while preventing them from doing the same) was the most important characteristic in a fighter design at the expense of any radar or missile capability.

In the early Vietnam air war, air to air manoeuvrability was extremely important because ROE/Unreliable IFF forced combat into a visual range, and early IR seeker technology meant that in order to kill a target in close combat you had to get on it's tail (because the IR missiles would only lock onto the exhaust of the fighter aircraft); meaning that if the enemy knows you're there, you are going to get into a dogfight.

The fighter mafia got allot of traction during and immediately after this period, they influenced the design of the F-15, basically being one of the driving forces moving the USAF away from the relatively huge and unmanuevrable F-111 fighter concept .During this time they also essentially spawned the LWF program that eventually turned into the F-16A (and indirectly the F-18).

>>34437765
>>34439106
However In the later airwar, the dogfight became less dominant as the ROE opened up and more reliable IFF came onto the scene, as a result you start seeing BVR kills and allot less kills that required manoeuvring.

The elements of the USAF that had retained some faith in large fighters with powerful radars (also the parts of the USAF that had actually dealt with combat unlike the fighter mafia) were vindicated; the fighter mafia were actually full of shit.

They in turn influenced the programs which the fighter mafia had created:

The F-15 got lots more avionics to make it better for BVR combat at the expense of sheer turn performance; it has the best combat record of any air superiority fighter.

The F-16 turned from a basic infared missile only, day only, fighter bomber that the fighter mafia had envisioned into a multirole strike, CAS, SEAD and CAP fighter, again to the detriment of it's manoeuvring capability (A light loaded F-16A has a world class sustained turn performance on the deck even 40 years on, a modern F-16C is decidedly average); the F-16 is the most successful 4th gen fighter in the world.

The fighter mafia themselves though never changed their minds, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
Pierre Sprey still believes that the ultimate fighter is F-5 sized with no radar, no link-16, no ECM, no SARH or ARH missiles, no air to ground capability, no MWIR, and because of that Pierre Sprey has been wrong since at least 1975.

Yet people still listen to Pierre Sprey despite him having proven his ideas to be completely wrong countless times.

In that way he is like POGO; people who are ignorant of history use them as countering opinions even though their opinion has almost no worth.

That's why i called it Sprey-posting

>>34432478
It almost happened with Pontiac, then the whole Bankruptcy put paid to those plans.

It's a shame, it's a perfect vehicle for my city-slicking, tradesman-working, performance-car enthusiast-ing lifestyle.

>>34429836
Recently did a job at a hotel over by Luke Air Force base.

At the rate those things were taking off and landing all day I'd better fucking hope they're moving around the world to people. They're non-stop touch and go's from the moment they're allowed to make noise up until the moment they're told to shut up.

>>34433766
It could explain what happened to flight 370

>>34439713
Doubt that had much to do with the crew oxygen bottle exploding.

>>34439106
>heavily influenced by the experience of the USAF in the early air war in Vietnam,
Ha, no they weren't.

Riccioni never flew a single combat mission, and Boyd flew roughly 1/4th the missions for a tour in Korea, and never fired a shot in anger. The Iron Majors were the ones who used real experience from Vietnam to fix shit.

>>34433676
>I didn't realize the Aussies couldn't get good Mexican food. Here are some carne asada fries.
There are some really good places. Had to Happen in North Sydney is great textmex. Mamasita in Melbourne is good. Mexican ingredients are easily obtained in Casa Iberica in Fitzroy, Melbourne.

That's just a handful, I think I could probably name a dozen Mexican restaurants that are worth your time in Melbourne and Sydney. There's also lots of Taco Bill stores which despite its name is actually really good Tex Mex + Frozen Margaritas, it only sounds like it's Taco Bell tier.

>I'm guessing y'all get pretty good kebab/gyros though.
There are excellent kebabs in Australia.

>>34439815
>implying the oxygen bottle didn't decide to suddenly share a personal space bubble with the cabin

>>34434086
>using vinegar-based sauce instead of master-race tomato-based

>>34429836

>P.S. Send Mexican Food Too
We'll do you one better and sent the Mexicans.

>>34429836
Dutchfag here we are kinda like waiting for 5 years already and it costed us 3 quarters of our defense budget so speed it the fuck up

>>34441450
Sorry were full.

>>34441495

>and it costed us 3 quarters of our defense budget

I WONDER WHO COULD BE TO BLAME FOR THIS TURN OF EVENTS

Netherlands defense spending percentage of GDP and percentage of defense spending going on equipment 2009-2016 (NATO targets 2% & 20% respectively)

http://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/pdf_2017_03/20170313_170313-pr2017-045.pdf

2009 : 1.42% : 17.57%
2010 : 1.34% : 15.70%
2011 : 1.25% : 14.43%
2012 : 1.23% : 13.41%
2013 : 1.16% : 12.57%
2014 : 1.15% : 10.68%
2015 : 1.13% : 11.16%
2016 : 1.16% : 14.14%

What would Australia be better off with? 75 F-35s or 280 SU-35 that could be purchased for the same price?

>>34442359
Slack fuckers

>>34442492
we'd never buy slavshit so who fucking cares

>>34442492
Damn... what the hell... I love Soviet Union now.

>>34442492
>Su-35: $65m per
>F-35A: $84m per
>Hurr i cunt into maths durr
>Hurr Russa zelling tu ozzies durr

>>34443317
And thats before you start looking at costs related to a) getting a shitload of weapons never before seen in your arsenal or b) paying to adapt NATO munitions to a Ruski plane

>>34443336
Not to mention all the extra engines you have to buy and the costs of shipping them to Russia for overhaul every couple years.

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>>34443360
speaking of engines how's the PAK FAilure going these days?

Mexican food is the laughing stock of the hispanic food world. Go eat some Cuban or Spanish Mediterranean.

this fucking thread
Australians, not even once

>>34442359
>2016 : 1.16%

Wew, they really need to actually fun their military.

>>34443448
Do you have burritos

>>34442492
Wonder why we dont buy Russian planes anyway despite having flirted with the idea multiple times in the last 2 decades. We really don't have a burger tier budget nor appetite for the newest and greatest military gear so new Sukhois would be more than enough for the RAAFs needs.

>>34443448
do you have tacos

>>34443708
Because in the long term they're just as or more expensive, cost far more to keep flying (the Russians can't even match 1/10th the training flight hours), and are incompatible with western weapon systems. And make you dependent upon Russia.

>>34443744
>And make you dependent upon Russia
This is by far the biggest problem.

>>34443744
>>34443774
Whats so fucking wrong about being technologically dependent on Russia that is in any way different from our 100% reliance on yanks?

>>34434354
There's a single seat version of the superbug you mong
That's why it's called F/A-18E/F as in, E and F versions

>>34443817
It's Russia. Yanks might be Yanks, but at least they're not Russians.

>>34429836
How can the USA be angry about mexican immigration when they bring tacos and tortillas with them?
I don't understand.

>>34443817
>Can't even fund their own military
>Pretty much guaranteed to betray you if they have problems with Aussie's allies

>>34443836
But Russlavs price their equipment reasonably. Yanks set prices that only they can effortlessly afford. The rest of us have to bite the bullet and spend large when purchasing inadequate numbers of their equipment.

>>34432478

Protip from an engineer who works for a big three company, has a brother working at another big three company, and a father working for the other big three company:

If we aren't selling a bitching car in the US, its due to some kind of government regulation.

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>>34433590
>>34433590
>>34433590
>the reasonable choice

>>34443884
>F-35A costs less than Europlanes
>Hurr Ameriplanes expensive durr

Guess what. The Russian planes might be "cheap", but the extra engines, the completely different logistics chains, and just dealing with Russian "quality" and support is going to cost a lot more.

>>34445273
Just do what the Indians(poo-dots, not drunk casino) and by 10-20 of each flavor, then sue over technology transfers

>>34445340
Or just get first-class support direct from a US company with a facility in your country.

>>34445358
>but that would mean working with the JEEEEWSSS

or whatever the /pol/ flavor of the month is

>>34445402
Even /pol/ should admit that Jews will actually give you what you're paying for. Unlike the drunks in Russia or the straight up crooks in China.

>>34443708
You know absolutely nothing.

>>34445954
Magnificent argument

>>34432461
>f35
>wild slavaboo appears

Right on time

>>34443360
The thing that makes Russian fighters worse than their American counterparts is probably the fact that their engines are defective the majority of the time due to the factories that make them lacking the machinery required to temper the metal to the actual specifications of the schematics.

If only they weren't so stubborn and outsourced their parts to other countries. Even China making the engines would be an improvement.

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>>34448334
>Even China making the engines would be an improvement.

>>34443884
>>34443317
>>34443372

>>34448466
*braaaappp* Phooey J-20 kun, you're a stinky girl! I'll still tongue you nozzles though.

>>34439116
>A light loaded F-16A has a world class sustained turn performance on the deck even 40 years on, a modern F-16C is decidedly average
I know an aero engineer who did wind tunnel and aerodynamic testing on the F-16, he says that the F-16A and the F-16C block 50 (with CFTs and all the mission systems) are for all practical purposes completely different aircraft.

>>34448553
fucking creep

Why can't we have B2s

>>34449385
Maybe we can have B-21s.

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how about just annex the shit out of mexico with the f35s and redistribute all the mexican population to australia instead?

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>>34449502
it's too late for you m8

>>34443817
Being dependent on Sam, you at least know what to expect
Being dependent on Ivan, you better expect the unexpected

>>34449514
Ivan has gone up in quality, slightly, since the cold war there bald eagle.

not too much but still

Their war jets at least dont require logins to some pentagon server before the computer allows the engines to start.

but then again they'll probably do the same shit as well soon.

>>34449502
These are Thais cosplaying as Mexican gang members, right?

>>34449554
All in due time.

Ivan won't sell you the planes just for your eyes.

>>34449554

>Their war jets at least dont require logins to some pentagon server before the computer allows the engines to start.


ohh look stuff that never happened

>not too much but still

soviet union was supporting anyone who was commie to the death

russia will strait up fuck you over with contracts that are half in smallest print there is

or just sell same tech you have to your direct adversary

or just jerk off for 2 years while your nations falls apart in civil war and then starts helping

so no soviets were way more reliable just as long you are a comie

>>34448334
>The thing that makes Russian fighters worse than their American counterparts
>The thing

I'm quite sure there's much more than the engines. They still haven't got an AESA in production, they couldn't do anything else than a massive bulb IRST, they couldn't get S-ducts (even the poos pointed out that it was a failure in one of the reports), can't carry large payloads compared to their weight and size and so on. The problem with Russian aircraft isn't just the engines, it's everything that can be improved with technology.

>>34451295
The modern sukhois aren't bad, the SU-34 for example has similar payload and range to the f-111, can go supersonic at sea level and doesn't have variable wings. Unlike the F-111 it can carry air to air weapons.

The SU-35 is decent but not very good for multirole. while its speed and range make it a good interceptor. While the SU-35 radar isn't AESA it is larger and more powerful than western counterparts. The usefulness of the sukhois depends on who is using them, from the perspective of the USAF they're totally inferior, for a smaller military with smaller budgets, no access to f-22s and limited or no AWACs it's less clear cut.

>>34451645
The radar being "more powerful" is a liability in an era where your opponents can just go EM-silent and use your own radar to track you.

>>34443817
We dont arbitrarily annex satellite states, and contrary to our percieved imperial drives we actually arent interested in expanding our borders. Hence why Canada is still a thing in 2017.

Plus, we have a decent track record of backing Anglosphere allies.

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>>34434086

my fucking dick

>>34430007
Wasn't the latest falcon just a fusion that wasn't even fast?

what if china gets the J-31 out faster than the F-35?

>>34452059
Then chairman Mao will rise, and roam the streets of Beijing for 31 days and nights.

>>34452059
>Still in prototyping stage, not likely to be more than 400 or so
>Versus a fighter that has 200+ already built and still ramping up production