Im sorry for being so ignorant but if we're really running

It wouldn't be hard, it would be expensive as fuck

>>34422423
>would it be so hard?
Yes.

there has to be an insanely rich dude who loves armor somewhere, right?

>>34422450
well
i dont know the exact numbers but bilding one single tank would be an exremly expensive thing
the more you produce the cheaper one piece gets
so if you bild one you look at several millions for it
if you plan to sell 10000 of them the price may drop but would stil be high as fuck

They barely make replacement parts for the M1 Abrams anymore let alone Tiger tanks.

All the tooling (especially for axis forces) has been destroyed, confiscated, or otherwise removed from production. It is tragic, but to recreate these beautiful machines you would basically have to start from scratch.

>>34422423
Because then they're not authentic.

>>34422423

>Would it be so hard?

Hard, not exactly especially with modern production technology.

But expensive, yes! It would cost millions just to build a plant that assembled all the necessary parts - and even more if that plant manufactured the parts by itself.

Let's face it - it would be a toy for a very rich person, museums would not buy some expensive, realistic version because they don't have THAT much money.

>>34422614
First of all this, if it's a modern replica it's not an authentic WW2 vehicle.


But really cost is a huge prohibitive factor here, especially for something that would be purely a toy with no real historical significance, and that you couldn't even play with unless you also had a fuckload of private land to yourself.

To give you some idea a few years ago here in the UK a group finished the first 'modern era' new-build mainline steam locomotive after many years of work, spending in the region of £3m plus a fuckload of people doing work for free or at cost price just because they wanted it to happen. Building any sort of heavy armor from scratch would be a similar scale project, both require a bunch of precision (and often very large) machined parts that are effectively one-offs and that relatively few companies are willing to even consider producing in the tiny volumes you need, as well as a sizable dedicated team of engineers to put it all together and maintain the thing afterwards.

Also good luck simply getting companies to work with/for you, and sourcing a gun barrel is likely to come down to you sticking a bit of sewer pipe on your turret with a few bits welded on to look sort-of right because no-one is making you the real thing.

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>>34422594
> All the tooling (especially for axis forces) has been destroyed, confiscated, or otherwise removed from production.

Machinist here and “tooling” for the most part refers end-mills, drills, reams, etc. and the metal working machines such as mills and lathes that use them, all of which is still being used today. Years back I worked at a shop that still had a boring mill with a "Property U.S. Navy 1941" I.D. plate on the side and we used it every day.

There were purpose built fixtures that made manufacturing particular parts more efficient but to make a small number of Tiger tanks, they wouldn’t be needed.

>>34422622
> But expensive, yes! It would cost millions just to build a plant that assembled all the necessary parts

If we’re talking about making hundreds of Tiger tanks but to build a handful for reenactment purposes and use in movies, it wouldn’t be anywhere near that expensive and existing facilities could easily be used.

This assumes we’d be using existing truck/auto engines, transmissions and such, as there is no need to recreate an obsolete Maybach HL230 engine (though that could be done also) when modern stuff is better.

>>34423723
What does the starter for an engine like that even look like? Is it an electric motor, or some apc, like 10 350s or some shit.

>>34423723
>Machinist here and “tooling” for the most part refers end-mills, drills, reams, etc. and the metal working machines such as mills and lathes that use them, all of which is still being used today.
No... it refers to a lot more.
Chrysler is trying to switch to a stainless steel head bolt for a couple of thier high performance engines. They figure it will increase longevity and decrease warranty claims, among other things. To do this they're spending $3,000,000.

3 million dollars. For engine bolts. For a couple of different motors.

It would costs tens, if not hundreds, of millions to set up even the smallest of scale lines to make a Tiger.

>>34423723
Then you might as well make some fiberglass moulds and slap the kit over a fucking bulldozer, because you're going to be just as historically accurate.

>>34422423
It'd be as authentic as the MK IV they made for that war horse movie. Which is essentially a body kit slapped onto a modern excavator.

Historically worthless, but useful for displays and special effects. It apparently cost £250k, but nobody is ever going to call it authentic.

>>34423852
IDK about marine engines of that size but large diesels (such as those found in tanks) often start via compressed air, with a smaller engine used purely for pressuring the reservoir prior to attempting a main engine start.

>>34423905
>It would costs tens, if not hundreds, of millions to set up even the smallest of scale lines to make a Tiger.
I don't think OP was talking about setting up a production line, which as you say would involve massive startup costs, more along the lines of making 1 or 2 replicas for display dicking around purposes. At that scale every part is going to be produced as a one-off job at whatever engineering firm is capable of and willing to do the work, then shipped to your workshop/shed for assembly.

It would still cost millions, but there would be zero point investing in dedicated production facilities for something you're only going to make a couple of when you can almost certainly find someone already capable of making it for you, with the exception as mentioned in
>>34422726
of the gun, which in europe you're simply not getting at all, at least in the US you could pay your stamp for a DD and have something vaguely functional rigged up, if only firing low pressure blanks for show.

>>34423905
you are a moron

What if I wanted to build a P-47 or Tigercat

Insanely hard, costly, and time consuming. There were literally whole citys built around these factorys and there production.

I mean, you could probably cobble together a mild steel mock-up tank for a somewhat reasonable amount of money

>>34424459
Ok bud.

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>>34422580
>>34422492
>>34422423
>Unironicaly wanting a reproduction of WW2 era machinery

>>34424459
What an insight-full response. Surely, how can anyone recover after such a comprehensive rebuttal?

>>34425516
what's wrong with it? some people have cash and want to have their own tiger.

>>34422423
Is that really a problem?

Who wants ww2 tanks outside of collectors and museums? Most museums can't store them since they're too small/don't have the means to maintain the tank and most collectors already own tanks and once they die off the tanks don't disappear.

>>34422594
Production tooling has always been scrapped almost before they are done with it, with a few odd exceptions. It takes a lot of space, and before 2008 in the usa manufacturing space was tres expensive.

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Panzerfabrik is already a thing.

>>34422450

some russians built a tiger replica in a shed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPdr6ekO9oU

>>34423905
>>34425315
You are a retard, stupid russians build a 1,5 replica for a movie "white tiger" (but due to it not being ready for the shooting it wasn't used).
Russians, those poor slavs managed to build normal looking replica of tiger and i HIGHLY doubt they spent fucking millions especially that it was supposed to be movie prop and no director in slav lands will spend fucking millions on any prop ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlv6iuLT6-s

>>34425315

You are comparing tooling for an assembly line which is already running verses one off manufacturing in a workshop.

If you think they are comparable then you are a dolt.

>>34423905
>>34425608
>tripfag being stupid and not knowing shit
Woah really activated my almonds there

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A Russian company produced a Tiger 1 from scratch in 9 months for the movie White Tiger (but they started shooting the movie before it was done so the tank didn't get included anyway).

They were selling the tank for 430k usd after using it to tour the movie infront of cinemas

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/military-vehicle-news/panzer-mk-vi-tiger-for-sale.html

>>34425587
>>34425608
>>34425619
Wow. The entire thread without a mention then three guys mention it at the same time

>>34425608
>>34425625
A movie prop isn't the same thing. If you wanna slap some aluminum plates on a tractor for a visual facsimile then yeah you can do that cheap (relatively speaking). But that's not a Tiger.

>>34422450
The few who are rich enough probably already own a few originals.

>>34422423
if you arent worried about armor value, then making a superficially similar vehicle would not be hard at all.

>>34425693
>that's not a tiger
Implying anyone except some autists cares

>>34425693
>But that's not a Tiger.
Who the fuck cares? I want to have tiger in my backyard that can move so im gonna get it and then paint it to make it look real, im not some retard who's not gonna get himself a cheap tank replica becasue "muh not orignal"
And you think museums care that those tanks wouldn't be original? They just want something cheap that looks like it without looking like a piece of cardboard.

>>34422450
If you're rich you hire people to look for old wrecks so you can buy them and overhaul them.

>>34425749
>tfw you will never get paid bank by paul allen to scour the globe for old ww2 airplanes in remote areas with your bros

why live?

>>34425716
>>34425740
It's in the fucking OP. That what the whole point of the thread is
>>34422423
if we're really running low on authentic ww2 vehicles, why dont we just make more?

>>34425767
Tiger that looks like real tiger is still tiger, it doesn't matter it has lawnmower engine.

>>34425767
>if we're really running low on authentic ww2 vehicles, why dont we just make more?

There are cases posted in this thread where that has happened.

Turns out that making a one off by hand doesnt costs millions like you think.

>>34425781
>If it looks like a girl it is a girl. It doesn't matter if it has a penis

>>34425767
You are retarded if slavs could make authentic looking tiger for less than 500k USD than making authentic interior would cost even less.
>tripfags are stupid and don't know shit
Shock and dismay

>>34425889
I think "uterus" would have been a better analogy than penis.

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>>34425716
>>34425811
>>34425910
>>34425740

>well it sure looks like a porsche, lol only cost 10 000 dollars

Iirc correctly there is one company that makes panzers made to order

>>34426050
read my post again you retard
>>34425910
>authentic interior

>>34426050

Yeah, that is pretty much all that matters for movie props, reenactment pieces and museum facsimiles.

On the inside it can have a hemi and steel tube frame, doesnt matter as long as the outside is accurate.

>>34426084
fuck, oops