China's Type 055 Super Destroyer Is A Reality Check For

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>>34409029
>The Type 055 could just as easily be classified as a cruiser than as a destroyer. It's 590 feet long and displaces between 10,000 and 12,000 tons. That is 81 feet longer and up to nearly 2,500 tons greater than America's latest Arleigh Burke class destroyers, making it closer in size to the US Navy's Ticonderoga class cruisers than anything else. It also packs a Ticonderoga class's magazine size, with 128 vertical launch cells available. The Arleigh Burke class has 96. These cells will be stuffed with land attack (YJ-18), and anti-ship missiles (YJ-12), as well as anti-submarine rockets (CY series).

>This new ship relies on a dual-band radar system similar in concept to the one that was supposed to be deployed on the DDG-1000 Zumwalt class and that is currently equipping the USS Gerald R. Ford. Two sets of active phased array radars, one being the larger S-band arrays on the vessel's super structure and the other being the smaller set of X-band arrays in the ship's enclosed sensor mast, equip the ship. The S-Band system is used for long range search and track, while the much more sensitive X-band system is used for tracking smaller, stealthier and high-speed objects with greater fidelity at lesser ranges. There are cross-over in capabilities between the two sensor arrays, which also adds to redundancy. No other ship in China's inventory possesses such a high-end radar system.

So, something between Burke, Tico and Zumwalt?

>a single chinashit destroyer

rly made me thnk

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>All those pointless festoons

Why are they so fucking faggy and retarded? You couldn't simply do with a flag and a banner?

>>34409075
Well, it's their very first cruiser since like 100 years.

The last cruisers they had were late 19th century ironclads, built by Germany and sunk by the Japanese.

>>34409085
The 055 is a destroyer, not a cruiser. Ticonderoga's are destroyers that are called cruisers to ease the autism of the US congress.

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>>34409064
Next in line will be launched by end of this year.

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>>34409146
And two more next year. Probably at the same time since they are built in parallel.

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>>34409029
>a wild destroyer suddenly appears
*Blocks your path

>>34409029
>All those LGBT pride colors
So, an anime trap boat?

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>>34409290
yes.

>>34409290
All boats have dicks.
Haven't you seen Kancolle?

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>>34409309
>Sonar Bulge is male balls
>Torpedos are benis
>Submarines are female

IT ALL MAKES SENSE

>>34409313
You clearly haven't.

>>34409309
Got anymore of this?

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>>34409457
Let it go anon.

>>34409272
China already has the mythical third edition of "How to avoid huge ships" in their navy academy's curriculum.

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>>34409029
>it's another Chinese military fantasy wank

The PLAN has and will continue to be a joke. The Chinese military bureaucracy makes the DOD look organized as fuck and the QC is just garbage tier.

>>34409854
Chinese military bureaucracy has yet to cause a fuckup in the scale of the Ford, Zumwalt and LCS.

Yes, they are fairly competent.

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>>34409029
Latest ID on the main electronics suite.

>>34409982
these are the same slopes that cant move a division 50 miles without all its mechanized shitting itself

>>34410009
The same slopes that make cross country excercises with entire army groups over thousands of miles YEARLY.

>>34409982

More because China isn't trying to break a mold and is instead opting for tried and true.

Type 55s are just a larger launch platform for more VLS with better radars. They aren't really anything super new.

Any nation that cared could churn out a new missile destroyer design overnight.

>>34410024
There is a big difference between moving a unit 50 miles and riding a freight train 50 miles.

>>34409982
>Ford, Zumwalt, LCS
>fuckup

working really hard for that .50

>>34410409
long range deployments are always done with freight trains and air-lift. Both of which are used in maneuvers.

When they arrive in Zhurihe Excercise Area, they disembark and use their own vehicles.

>>34409029
It looks like the Naval Sea Cadets entry in the gay pride parade

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>>34409854
>The PLAN has and will continue to be a joke.. and the QC is just garbage tier.

>Zumwalt leaks, propeller seizes, crashes into panama canal.

>LCS leaks and/or the propulsion system self destructs.

>type 45 turbine cannot tolerate tropical temperatures.
Doesn't matter because the electric drive probably stop dead before turbine gets hot anyways.

At least the PLAN ships mostly move under their own power.

>>34409982
>reported problems with ships
>write them off as fuck ups
>meanwhile live in propaganda state where real fuck ups will never be heard of or fixed
really made me think 50 cent. In your country even admitting something is a problem will get you put in jail. In our country we figure out what we screwed up and fixed it. Just one of the reasons we're better than you.

>Russian winning in Syria and Ukraine

>China dominating the Pacific

>Most Americans now live on less than $30K annually and are addicted to opioids

Damn, America is getting BTFO lately.

>>34412365
>$30K annually
>opioids
Where do I sign up?

>>34412401
As a paramedic, I deal with opioids for $14 an hour. Really activates my almonds

>>34412295
>At least the PLAN ships mostly move under their own power.

Not that China makes public any mechanical problems.

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>>34409982
less blatant next time please Chang

Is it just me or are there a ton of chinese shills around lately

This thread is almost a mirror copy of the last one.

>>34409029
Very good Generar, China rill grow rarger!

>>34409029
why not super cruiser? Wang kun

>>34410090
>Any nation that cared could churn out a new missile destroyer design overnight.
Please be bait.

>>34409049
It's a destroyer.

The increase of size is just a result of the fact that modern destryoers need more and better radars and sensors.

>>34409029

Fucking useless against Japan's Zaku mk. II, though.

What's the difference in ship categories now, exactly?

>>34409029
Fuck off you shitposting nigger. You should be perma-banned for spamming these threads every single day.

>>34413411
It's mostly just this one fucking cunt.

>>34413460
He copy pastes things across threads and reposts existing shit over and over.

>>34412365
China still literally can't move past the first island chain uncontested.

>>34413736
Too much butthurt for you?

>>34412365
>South China Sea
>Pacific
China can't be considered a pacific power if they can't even go past Okinawa.

>>34413741
His English is getting kinda proper though.

>>34412631
if china unleashes her weaponized escalators its all over for humanity

>>34409029
Does this mean we can finally build real cruisers again? I'm sick of using destroyers for the BB/CC roles only to have them crumple like wet tissue paper the moment they get into a scuffle. It happened in the Falklands, it happened to the Cole and Fitzgerald, and its proof these current ships are not up to the task of being surface combatants.

Kinda great how this launch is pretty much being ignored by western media, especially the Japanese.

Past Chinese ship launches could always be explained away with the adjectives of them being either "Soviet", "smaller" or "not as good as murrica" - but for this one, it doesn't work that way anymore.

Thus, to protect their collective butts, it will be ignored, as if it will go away if they don't report it.

But it never will. It isn't even China's final form. This is just the beginning.

>>34413775
It's just their first ship and the war hasn't started yet.

Once they have a number of these Cruisers and build up their other stuff, the first island chain will pretty much go up in smoke once they launch the reunification war with Taiwan. Okinawa will be the first island to get cratered by the Dongs.

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Now, the PJ38 gun finally looks proper on that large hull...

Impressive

China has always been in the fore front of Indigenous research and development. The new ship clearly has no analogue in the world. The best. Just the best.

More stuff for railgun laser 7th gen US fighter to sink.
>China shill thread lmao
>desu senpai cuck

>>34409029
Can someone tl;dr whats so special about the Type 055 and modern ships in general? Is it mostly about C4I and network improvements? is there a big meme leap like stealth for aircraft?

>>34413808
>its a battleburger episode

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>>34414349
>xbawks hueg 12,800 tons hull
>strong powerplants, 4x 30MW QC-280 gas turbines
>means lotta growth potential
>120MW gives it lotta power for railguns and lasers in future ships
>current iteration already breddy strong
>112 or 128 VLS, need to be confirmed, but still more than the Burke and Zumwalt either way.
>At least dual band radar, S and X band AESA
>Potentially another AESA in L or UHF band as conformal array
>Literally hull and superstructure and mast is covered in sensors
>did I mention that is has a lotta sensors?
>entire ship is basically a huge radar

>>34414374
the zumwalt looked alot more sci fi but i guess ship technology has basically reached a point where at this stage theres no mindboggling game changing meme like drones or stealth etc

>>34414404
Zumwalt was an entirely different concept of a ship, with an entirely different sort of hull-design optimized for a special mission.

>>34413411
It's not even shills, it's autists shitposting because apparently pretending to be a chink for amerilard (You)s is the latest ebin meme

>>34414429
>latest ebin meme

its as old as /k/ desu

Fucking christ dude, how many threads a day are you going to male about your faggy boat?

>>34414433
It's been intensified over the last few years.

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>>34414374
Some say that one set of the conformal arrays are Microwave Jamming Weapons, ie. fry electronics of incoming missiles.

>>34414448
>that kerning
I'm not worried.

americans run their mouth so much you dont impress the world anymore.

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>>34409049
Gee, I wonder where they got the idea for....literally everything on that ship?

Just once, I would love to see what China could produce on their own without having to steal and copy real countries.

>>34414428
In fact they are pretty shitty high sea ships.

>>34414448
In other words teenage Chinese netizens are wishfully thinking about paper concepts.

>>34414851
>I have no idea what I am talking about

>>34409049
>>34409029
>128

ONE HUNDRED AND TWELVE.

WHERE ARE MY 128 VLS YOU PROMISED CHICOMS!? WHERE ARE THEY?!

>>34414879

Type 055-2 between the fore deck railgun and the laser CIWS

>>34414871
They are though.

>>34414894
>w...wait p...please

NO. FOR FOUR YEARS YOU SHILLED THIS SHIT. WHERE IS MY 128. IF YOU CAN'T OUTGUN A GOD DAMN TICO WHAT'S THE POINT? WE HAVE TWENTY TWO (22) OF THE FUCKING THINGS.

HOW AN I SUPPOSED TO WRITE MY CONGRESSMAN ABOUT THIS!?

ANSWER ME GOD DAMMIT.

>>34414903
>I have no idea what I am talking about and will double down when challenged

>>34414909
Tico's have 130 if you count its Harpoons.

>>34414934
>challenged

green text isn't challenging anything.

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>>34409272
>scaring China with freighters
Not so fast sweety

>>34409854
China is building ships at a rate not seen since by any country since ww2. In the mean time us ship yards continue to decline and our fleet ages to the point of having to bring back previously decommissioned ships that are 50+ years old.

China will become a pacific, if not global super power in your life time while the US goes full protectionist and the EU rules the west and China the east.

>>34414946
Zum does just fine in high seas, test after test confirms.

You fell for the gawker meme. Congratulations, you are a low information consumer. Osprey is dangerous. F-35 is a waste. Any other memes I missed?

>>34414958
>China is building ships at a rate not seen since by any country since ww2
Thats odd, US is out building China as we speak, on a sustainment budget.

>>34414958
>China is building ships at a rate not seen since by any country since ww2.
>less tonnage under construction than America

neat

>>34413808
The problem isn't the size, it is the design. We keep taking out dated shit and attemprint to retrofit ot instead of just building new. Also we try to make every ship do anything leading to ships that cannot do anything. We need to allow for specialized ships. Many small specialist ships is better than one generalist cruiser.

>>34414879
Too soon for that.

Wait till we get an GE/Terraserver satellite update showing its aft VLS to confirm either number.

>>34413832
Yet we heard all about the UK ship launch. Even tho this is a much bigger deal.

>>34414995
>REEEEEEE WHY AREN'T LCS JUST A MINI BURKE/TICO

>>34414999
I am satisfied with Chinese leakers saying they see 112.

>>34414999
Anon, they are not showing the aft because they have something to hide.

>watch it be 32
Worse
>watch it be an empty mission space

>>34414952
these look IDEAL for a post zombie scenario desu

>>34413832
I think the 055 is a bigger and more significant advancement than even the J-20.

A large surface combattant platform is something that will last much longer and undergo major evolution throughout the decades, while a fighter platform's life-cycle is quick to be replaced once obsolete.

055's evolution would probably be a longer one than even the 052 which went from some Type 24 DD lookalike to a Burke lookalike.

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>>34415014
Sure, more is definitely better, even though 112 is also quite alright with the size of those cells.

On the other hand, all they have to do is just to flip that VLS around and 64 would fit in quite nicely. Like pic related.

>>34415021
J-20 was a total letdown.

Went from a super maneuverable air superiority fighter to a lead sled strike fighter, with terrible internal capacity.

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>>34415029
Pic are the aft 32 VLS cells for the 052D. This gives you an idea about how much they are willing to squeeze them into very limited space, even on a ship with a beam of mere 17m.

>>34415021
>I think the 055 is a bigger and more significant advancement than even the J-20.

The other way around, the 055 is just an enlargement of their existing ships, the J-20 is getting on the same playing field as the West.

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>>34415030
Also too early to say, for we havent seen any footages of J-20 doing combat training, which has evidently happened judging from satellite photos of China's DACT test range.

>>34415048
>the J-20 is getting on the same playing field as the West.

That's a joke anon. The J-20 can't even match the F-22. Avionically it does not match the F-35. It's eodas (based on industry placards) is not EO at all, it's IR, and ground based. No HMD, a total shit show.

>>34415054
>Also too early to say

No, it's not. The airshows it has been involved in has been a total snorefest. Every single outing has shown zero kinematic ability of any time. You can't hide behind obscurity forever, it's time to face facts. The more that is known about it the more the goalposts move back.

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>>34415061
Too early to tell again, for we dont know anything of its avionics but from their EW-testbed.

And those show pretty much similiar stuff as the F-35, including large canard-mounts usually associated with the ALR-94 ESM.

>>34415075
Chinese airshows are always snorefests. They just make some fly-by's in neat formation and pop some smoke. Even with their Flankers, they never push them to do cobras and stuff during air-shows.

They learned from that Ukrainian example of aircraft crashing into the crowd that doing stunts like this is far too risky.

No matter what, this ship is still better than the Burke.

Oh, the Burke and its horrifying christmas tree. And dont get me started on the PESA or the SPG-62s...

>>34415061
>from the leaks it could be just as much EO as IR and theres no confirmation nor evidence its either or the other, but since at least 2015 both is available to the PLAAF, so it must be IR and cannot be EO at all because otherwise my feelings are hurt

>>34415075
>J-20 was a total letdown.
>total snorefest
>I read it on a totally unbiased or bitter jealous Burger blog and Indipendent and Indian Times so it must be true

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>>34415221
>I read it on a totally unbiased or bitter jealous Burger blog
*******We all know the real truths and facts come out on www.4chan.org/k/
fucking idiots

>>34414404
The next step would be drone ships. Or ships with almost no crew run almost entirely by automation.

With a fleet of small drone ships you could cheaply payroll eBen the most dangerous waters with little risk

China must be some nightmare for the task force at the Pentagon which must deal with new developement and battle plans for China at a fast pace without major fuckups. And then Trump wants to play the number game with the US Navy which hold down further own developement because more money is forced to flow in direction of outdated shit.

>>34415094
>They learned from that Ukrainian example of aircraft crashing into the crowd that doing stunts like this is far too risky.

Yes, because they're shit-tier aircraft.

So the Type055 uses COGAG.

That's not bad.

>>34414959
>Any other memes I missed?
The one about Zumwalt being tested in high seas but without any proof.

The fact that the Zumwalt will not be part of carrier strike groups should tell you everything about its high sea capacities.

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>>34414968
>out building China

with what?

LCS?

>>34415809
With solar panals in the middle.

>>34415809
Submarines, carriers, destroyers, raw tonnage.

>>34415474
The USN wants a bigger fleet than what Trump does, tech development is not tied to construction pace.

>>34415203
>industry placards
>leaks

>>34415106
>keep bringing up illuminators despite getting BTFO on their usefulness in high ECM environments

>>34414786
>oh gee, how dare they make ships with hollow interiors that displace enough water for them to float, just like our boats! and they even put a propeller and engine on it! those chinks have no creativity whatsoever!
fuck off faggot, they built it and that's good enough.

>>34415567
Yee.

And IEPS next.

>>34416606
Spending tens of billions extra on building current tech ships with the same total budget is going to hurt other areas such as R&D. I have zero confidence that Congress will repeal sequestration.

>>34418067
>current tech ships

You can stop pretending you know what you are talking about.

>>34418250
You can stop tinfoiling about us military tech. Secret squirrel projects aren't decades ahead.

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>Build high tech navy
>Can't even break out of first island chain
China likes to build expensive targets.

>>34418527
Are you 1) ignorant of the fact that current ships under construction are not identical to past ships of the same class or 2) advocating no new ships be built until some wunderwaffen technology is developed?

>>34418784
Neither. Ships are constantly upgraded. Building more ships with the same budget will limit other aspects of the military, such as developing your nazi wonder technologies you meme about.

>>34418836
So you are in fact advocating that no new ships be built until some significant technological breakthrough occurs.

>>34418864
I am advocating the original 308 ship navy build plan with how the current budget is implemented. 350 ships is too harmful to the navy without the repeal of sequestration. Republicans have controlled congress for 6 months and they can't even repeal obamacare.

>>34416613
>industry placards say its X
>they are wrong it must be inferior Y or my feelings get hurt
>altough it doesnt rule out Y, leaks on the object make X plausible, no reason to deny it, so just shut up with your speculation faggot
>garglgarggl its must be inferior Y or my feelings get hurt

>>34418921
You keep rewording your stance of no new ships.

>>34419121
>leaks and industry placards indicate X
>X is inferior technology to Y
>NO, IT COULD BE Y BECAUSE REASONS, THE J-20 IS NOT INFERIOR REEEEEEEEEEE

>>34416589
Poor little White Burke...

Even if thr 055 turns out to have "mere" 112 VLS, it will still be heavier armed and more modern than the Burke.

>>34418709
breaking out of the 1st island chain isnt the job of the Navy, but the Rocket Force.

They are the ones scrubbing whiteys and their Jap/Taiwanese slaves from those islands that make up the 1st island chain, while filling the straits with ballistic missile deployed sonobuyous and torpedoes to hunt down the odd Virginias that might hide there.

Only when the 1st island chain is physically removed from existence, as in no habitable soil on them anymore, the PLAN will go out to the Pacific and raid US shipping in the open Pacific.

>>34419482

this, the first island chain is all within cruise missile range from mainland china. All china has to do is spam missles

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>>34419482
>ballistic missile deployed sonobuyous and torpedoes to hunt down the odd Virginias that might hide there.

>>34419469
Now the 055 just needs BMD capabilities, quad packed mid range AA missiles and long range SAM's that can be guided over the horizon by forward assets.

>>34419393
I'm sorry your autism prevents you from understanding anything between all or nothing when building ships.

>>34413731
Mostly just endurance. And politics.

The reason china doesn't call it a cruiser is because Cruisers sounds like imperialism.

>>34419924
Says the person arguing that increasing the fleet size will irrevocably harm R&D.

>>34409029

The fact that they needed that much celebration for ONE ship is proof enough they are still years behind the US.

Quit shilling your shit-tier ship, Zhang.

>>34419979
>And politics.

This, the line between Destroyer and Cruiser is so blurred that it comes down to what the operator calls it.

When are we going to get the first catastrophic fireworks of one of these VLS blocks getting blown up

All the ships have been lucky so far

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>>34420058
>that much celebration

It's the first of its type. They literally do this for every newly christened vessel. And so do we. You do know the Zumwalt launch wasn't exactly low key right?

>>34420058
at least it's better than newest version of Arleigh Burke desu except for BMD capability which is speculated to be installed on upgraded version of type055 (they already have HQ-26, Chinese equivalent of SM-3)

by the way how's Zumwalt's AGS system going?
abandoned HVP huh

and LCS? kek

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Might as well dump this here.

The person (or people) in charge of these controlled leaks is/are cruel. They most love toying with PLA watchers.

In this case, conveniently cropping out the actual cat, most of the cat operators station, and the JBD.

>>34419482
This is some fanfic level delusion. It's really cute that you think China's Rocket Force is relevant in breaking out of the first chain.

You guise china's really doing it this time.
Ya'll just mad.
I'm not Chinese I swear.
~The thread

>>34409982
Taiwan #1 , motherfucker. Stay salty.

http://thediplomat.com/2014/01/chinas-deceptively-weak-and-dangerous-military/

>>34412631
Wtf is going on here?

>>34420058
>more Type 055 under construction than the the total number of Zumwalts
Have fun with your antiquated Burke hulls.

>>34414958
Fantasy tier posting. The naval superiority of the United States is overwhelming. The United States Navy could stand toe to toe with the combined navy of the rest of the world and win handily. This isn't boasting, it's just simple numbers.

>>34421304
>at least it's better than newest version of Arleigh Burke

Better meaning ~2000 tons larger yet only having 16 more VLS cells.

>desu except for BMD capability which is speculated to be installed on upgraded version of type055 (they already have HQ-26, Chinese equivalent of SM-3)

Wishful thinking about vaporware?

>by the way how's Zumwalt's AGS system going

Fully functional.

>abandoned HVP huh

You mean LRLAP? Several hundred rounds have been made. Additionally other types of ammunition are available such as Excalibur, Vulcano and HVP.

>and LCS? kek

The ninth one just entered service, or are you trying to directly compare the combat abilities of a 3000 ton ASW/SSC/MCM with a 12000 ton destroyer?

>>34421664
Chinese quality that even Chinese fear.

>>34421686
>China finally builds a ship comparable to a Burke/Tico
>W-WELL YOU ARE ONLY MAKING 3 ZUMWALTS!!!

>>34421504
EMALS?

>>34421727
Equivalent to the Burke 3, with better stealth and more VLS.

The real Burke 3 is laughable.

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>China
>beating anything but themselves

>China is 20 years behind
>China is still years behind
>uh... China is ahead

>>34422983
This.

The day when China brings out their 32 MJ naval Railgun will be the day when /k/ is on suicide watch.

And according to reliable leaker who also leaked the 055, J-20 and carriers years before, that day will arrive soon.

>>34422927
>with better stealth and more VLS.

Stop pretending the 055 is stealthy, it makes you look like an underage retard from a youtube comment section.

>>34423110
>leakers who took photos of the J-20, 055 and 001A from public spaces have access to highly secured Chinese black budget facilities

>>34423822
Burke lacks any stealth design elements. The Chinese destroyers do.

It's fact.

>>34423836
Leakers as in people who make posts about what to expect, not the people taking the photos. Their information is actually reliable because they work with/in the PLA.

>>34423869
kek, I love how chicoms believe this

>>34423110
>implying chinese propaganda is accurate

They've never been ahead, and until they can do more than just copy other countries they never will.

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>>34421504
>cropping out the actual cat
Or, you know, cropping because there isn't anything there at all.

That picture also looks very familiar, almost like they're coping the world's greatest superpower once again. Is there anything these fucking retards wont copy?

>>34423869
Burkes were one of the first ships to incorporate RCS reducing design features my .50 friend.

>>34423877
Their information outside of photographs has sketchy reliability.

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>>34423883
this

>>34421664
Social Satire to mock Chinese safety regulations - this is following an incident in which a mother and child fell through the escalator's top platform, and the mother passed off the child to some attendants before being crushed to death in the machinery.

>>34411916
Hey I was one of those, didn't think a lot of people knew about them

>>34423906
They weren't.

>>34423906
>Type 055 isn't stealth
>something something
>the Burke incoperates RCS reducing designs

Love that flip flopping.

>>34424332
You can sean how clean the Burke looks like compared to the messy Type055 or other Chinese destroyers in the past decade.

>>34424332
Learn the difference between having reduced RCS and being stealth.

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>>34409309
sauce god dammit!

>>34424508
>radar signature reduction
>infrared signature reduction

The Type055 is indeed "stealthy".

>>34424538
A Super Hornet is reduced RCS (like a 055 or Burke), an F-22 or F-35 is stealthy (like a Zumwalt). Learn the difference.

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>>34424439

>>34409049
Slightly more armament than a Burke, less than a Tico.

Sensor-wise, conservative estimates put it slightly above a Flight IIA Burke and solidly above the old Ticos, but still below a Flight III Burke. Pessimistic estimate is about on par with a Flight III Burke.

>>34414786
Gee, it's almost as if form follows function, just like how everyone copied the french on tank design.

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>>34424559
Are you for real?

The 055 has:
>Integrated mast
>Fully enclosed foredeck
>No dumb 50s cassegrain dishes
>Covers for even fucking Decoy Launchers
>IR suppression for the exhausts


It's not even a contest...

Look at that shitty Flight 3 Burke and it's horrifying Christmas tree here.

Hell, not even your beloved AMDR radar is here, so the 055 is also far better in terms of sensors.

>>34409854
>muh chinese QC meme

Why is it that some people are literally too retarded to understand that military procurement might have different QC standards than crappy, cheap consumer goods?

>>34424643
>still insisting that Flight III's will not have AMDR radar when that is what makes a Flight III a Flight III

Oh wait, you think the lack of antenna's on the unfinished 055 that had the ceremony the other day means it is stealthy?

>>34423942
that's some final destination shit

>>34423947
Every time we deployed on Operation Deep Freeze we took a couple of Sea Cadets with us.

Jesus, we probably ruined those poor kids forever. Dragging 15 year olds into bars, whorehouses, drug dens, and tattoo parlors all over the southern hemisphere cannot be healthy.

>>34424644
It could be because chinkposters make a huge deal out of the low cost of Chinese ships. They even talk about how Chinkshit is built to commercial standards instead of milspec.

The PLAN is crappy, cheap consumer goods.

>>34425868
being that butthurt

>>34409075
>making fun of a country for having pride in their acheivements
This is why the gap is closing between America and China. Sure, they have a metric fuck-ton of problems to work through before they can claim parity with America, but there's a drive to suceed that can take them there.

While they're getting all excited about their society advancing, we're dicking around getting content with our position and trying to drag each other to the lowest common denominator.

We're going to be mocking and deriding China, calling them "knock-offs" and living in a false world where we're superior right up to the moment where they have a man standing on fucking Mars.

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>>34424699
FUCK U CHINK SHILL IN DISGUISE!!!
FUCK U FLIGHT III BURKE IN U FUCKIN CHINK ASSHOLE.
TICO FLIGHT II WHEN??? WHEN??? WHEN???

>>34425952
Well NASA already has child slave camps on Mars, so we are back in the lead

>>34423898
>Is there anything these fucking retards wont copy?
>implying the US didn't do exactly the same thing in the 18th/19th C

>>34424559
>is reduced RCS
>learn the difference
>t. I don't undersand the difference

>>34426433
eeeh what now?

>>34425952
Those decorations are gay. Their idea of ceremony is extremely tacky.

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>>34426666

>>34409309
Oh no, it's like Kantai Collection gone horribly wrong

>>34426658
Yes, you need to learn the difference between reducing RCS and making RCS as low as possible.

>>34425952
>accusing American's of not having pride in their country

Look at this fool and laugh.

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>>34426822
NASA throws the best shade

>>34426822
>>34426962
its only gonna get better now that LoonieWars has press access to the White House

>>34413736
Oh fuck off, faggot

>>34424517

Do your parents know you're gay?

>>34426943
While we Americans certainly have more pride in our nation than many other nations, it's hard to dispute that there's a distinctive trend towards apathy or outright rejection of the significance of being an American.

In my university I spent a lot of time hanging out with the Chinese nationals my friend lived with. They were very reserved and respectful, but enough time and liqueur eventually got them to open up. They fully acknowledged that their homeland had a multitude of problems, and admitted that their quality of life would improve they just stayed in the US. However, every single one of them had plans to return because they felt an obligation to use their knowledge to better their country. Not just themselves or their families, but their people as a whole. I don't know a single American that has that kind of attitude, myself included.

We can dick wave like nobody else but but when it comes time to roll up the sleeves and get shit done the willpower is sorely lacking and hindered by personal/sectarian conflicts.

China will get a man to Mars first not because they have superior technology or smarter people, but because they're just going to go ahead and do it, damn the costs or lives lost stumbling their way there. We on the other hand, will waste decades arguing over where the money for the program will come from, which companies will get the contracts to build the damn thing, and whether it should be a man or woman that gets to take the first steps. And when we do finally get to a conclusion, the program will be under continuous attacks from special interests and politicians for bullshit, petty reasons. By the time we get there, the program will go from a semi-permanent habitat of 30 to 3 dudes showing up on tech built on a shoestring budget for 5 minutes total. It'll be just enough time to exchange greetings with the Chinese that have been living there for 5 years.

>>34409029

not a destroyer but fregate. also congrats to the Chinese. well done work. i especially like the design of the hull. i hope i can see it on tv in action one day.

>>34427355
>While we Americans certainly have more pride in our nation than many other nations

nope. you hate yourself. this is why you have nazis leaching from your social care and 70% of your population living as debt whores in a ghettos.

>>34427355
Subtle .50 shill.

>>34427433
Blatant .50 shill.

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>>34427665
>Subtle .50 shill.
Not everyone who disagrees with you is a shill.

>>34427825
>I can dig through the garbage too

>>34427825
Our own resident Chinatown American. Do you by chance write freelance, or perhaps have a shitty defense blog, Wang?

>>34428441
Look, I'm not gonna post my face on 4chan to prove my ethnicity to you, and frankly I don't feel like indulging your obsession with valuing a person's opinions on their race any further.

At some point you and a lot of America are going to have to stop blaming our lack of national unity and pride on foreign agents and disloyal immigrants. We have become too complacent as a people with our status in the world. America was and still is the greatest nation on Earth, but a title like that needs to be earned and fought for every single day, and currently we as a people are showing little interest in keeping it.

>>34429380
>new york
>anti american views

You voted for Hillary.

>>34429672
>I point out that America has some internal morale problems
>Suddenly I'm the one with the problem
I already brought up the denial and sectarian problems, you're just making my points for me.

>>34429831
I can see why you think there is a morale problem in America as a Hillary voter.

>>34413832
I gave never heard of any chinese ships being covered by US media ever.

>>34429946
Since you seem to be stuck on this thread of hope that I voted for a candidate you didn't like, riddle me this. Why the everloving fuck would someone who supported a candidate that hates private gun ownership, who represents a party that has fucked over upstate NY to satisfy the pansies in NYC, be hanging out wasting their time on the weapons board of a mongolian throat singing forum?

Either way who I voted for is besides the point, and the fact that you have no rebuttal for anything I say speaks poorly to your reasoning and debate skills. People vote for candidates you don't like. Even barring the possibility of voter fraud, tens of millions of Americans are voting for two parties with vastly different ideas on what the US government should be legislating and doing with their tax dollars. You cannot refute this fact by saying "Oh that half of America doesn't count". They do count. They pay taxes and vote, just like you and I do.

This brings me back to my point a few posts ago, which is that America has serious internal divisions that are degrading its ability to remain a world power. China is showing real tangible process towards a Navy that may one day have the capability to kick the US out of their claimed sphere of influence by force, someone tries attacking their celebration of this step by calling it gay, I say that maybe it's "gay" because they're not used to so much fanfare over American achievements, and now you're calling me a Hillary voter as if my voting preferences would make me wrong and let you sleep at night knowing that he's just a retarded liberal that's just making up all of totally not real problems with America.

>>34413832

Western media runs what gets eyeballs, period. It's a cash money advertising business, not a journalistic ethical organization of selfless researchers dedicated to the truth. If the PLAN would stop being so boring, maybe the MSM would try to make some money off of them.

>>34430444
>Why the everloving fuck would someone who supported a candidate that hates private gun ownership, who represents a party that has fucked over upstate NY to satisfy the pansies in NYC, be hanging out wasting their time on the weapons board of a mongolian throat singing forum?

Good question, why are you here?

>>34431032
Military capability and humor threads, mostly. You?

>>34427355
>Not just themselves or their families, but their people as a whole. I don't know a single American that has that kind of attitude, myself included.

Cultural differences, anon. Asia tends toward hive think, the US was founded on the concept of personal accountability, responsibility, and initiative.

Meming and bullshit aside, China doesn't have the creativity nor the tech base to get to Mars. Once somebody else gets there, China will find a way to mass produce that accomplishment but they certainly won't lead the way.

>>34426598
>18th/19th C

So that's roughly where you're placing Chinese advancement? Seems about right.

>>34425952
>up to the moment where they have a man standing on fucking Mars.

In a couple of centuries, maybe. After they fix their multitude of other problems. You really need to get off this obsession with Mars.

Much as you and /pol/ may hate it, that lowest common denominator always winds up being a couple of steps higher than the last one. And it makes an incrementally higher springboard for the lastest crop of exceptional ones to lift off from.

We're not afraid of individualism. We know how how leverage it.

>>34423110
Railguns are dildos, 32MJ initial translates to less than 20MJ on target. Which puts it in the same league as an old 105mm howitzer

>>34431489
Railguns kind of are a meme
>Use nuclear reactor levels of energy to shoot down a plane that one or two MRMs could have destroyed

>>34431534
Reactor levels of immediate output. The weapon's firing rate is tied to how fast you can feed the gun. Upside: no guidance systems that are expelled with the munition, each round has no inherent need for mechanisms, and your firing rate is only limited by how fast you can recharge the capacitors that store the energy for the shot. No explosives needed for the rapid energy release that drives the round.

When you compare Sink-X exercises with onboard munitions explosions during the World Wars, you start to realize how huge that will be for ship survival.

>>34431242

I'm starting to think people like you are the answer to the Fermi Paradox.

>>34431167
China's definitely behind the West, but again, so was the US back in the 18th/19th C. Through a policy of intentionally ignoring rules about intellectual property, and acquiring officially restricted technology/processes/personnel, the US rapidly developed as an industrial power, Japan did the same between the 1860'-1960s. So you can't expect China to hold itself to a higher moral standard, there's no point being bitter about it.

>>34431597
also limited by how fast you can dissipate the heat generated from firing each shot

>type xyz

I FUCKING HATE THIS NAMING SCHEME

>>34414438
Naw dawg, as N increases so does N/shitposters.

>>34432172
So you hate the bongs? Me too.

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>>34431071
>humor threads
Cancer.

>>34413832
LOL chick shills in k ? Didn't know we even mattered that much

>>34413866
Waste of dubs for shilling...

>>34432161
>Through a policy of intentionally ignoring rules about intellectual property, and acquiring officially restricted technology/processes/personne

Can you support this statement with specific examples and citations?

>>34431770
Thank you. I've been working on it in my spare time. Conclusions so far:
- somebody will turn up. We've been doing the interstellar equivalent using a microscope to search for tadpoles in the Sahara.
- we haven't picked up signs of ET civilization for the same reasons skunks don't watch TV; no tech base and they don't understand what they're looking at. It's just odd background noise to them.
- we haven't been contacted for the same reasons you don't try to pet a wild skunk; a regrettable instinctive fear response, and the likelihood of rabies.
- we haven't been exterminated like a pack of rabid skunks because the effort and expense doesn't justify the return. For now, we're being carefully watched and avoided. There's also the probability that we serve a valuable function in the galactic ecology- we might be preventing the spread of Socialism and other parasitic infestations throughout the universe.

>>34412631
>tensions over SCS finally go hot
>escalators across the US simultaneously collapse
>millions killed
>situation seems hopeless as Chinese military kicks into gear
>US sends a message of surrender to China
>no reply
>turns the entire nation suffocated from all the fumes their navy produced attempting to leave port

>>34433286
Very specifically, early Americans were particularly keen on acquisition of British textile manufacturing machines/plans e.g. the Arkwright spinning machine, the plans for which an American agent attempted to smuggle out of England (caught in the act). Andrew Mitchell, was employed by Tench Coxe (assistant secretary to the Treasury) made the first draft of the Report on Manufactures. That report encouraged the enticement of foreign experts (in contravention of laws prohibiting such emigration in Europe) and the acquisition of foreign machine plans (also not possible legally).

Similarly there was a considerable degree of controversy surrounding the amount of pirated literature being published in the US during the 18th/19th C. Much like all those bootleg Chinese DVDs, games etc.

If you want citations, just google it, there's plenty to choose from.

And this isn't meant to be condemnatory, all nations have engaged in it at some stage.

>>34427825

7th of February? How is that date relevant?

>>34413731
There are really three types of ships. Carriers, destroyer-types (~64-128 VLS, enough for anti-ship and anti-air), and eurofrigate-types (32 or less VLS, cannot do both anti-ship and anti-air and thus have limited survivability in combat zones).

>>34419469
>heavier armed
It's a tico-clone like the 052s turned into burke-clones. No fucking shit it's better armed.

>more modern
Maybe than a Burke II, but definitely not a III.

>>34409029
One step closer to China being the biggest kid in the SCS. Seems strange that the Philippines are distancing themselves from the US, when they're likely to be in sore need of them in the next 15 years.

>>34434447
>M/D/YYYY
That is the American way!

Canada's Feds want everyone to do it YYYY/MM/DD.. 2017/07/02.

>>34431534
>Use nuclear reactor levels of energy

Speaking of memes.

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>>34421504
>controlled leaks

>>34420174
why are navy types so fucking homo

>>34435033
>definitely not a III

>same budget design
>same lantern clusterfuck
>scaled down cripple AMDR
definitely not
flight III will upgrade it at best to an equivalent platform that cant be looked down uppon anymore
but for all purposes flight III its already dead on arival and begging to be replaced

>>34423898
>>34431167
>Modern cats look all the same in Britain, France, Brazil, USA,...
>China builds their own to catch up
>HURR YOUR CATAPULT PROTOTYPE THERE LOOKS QUITE FAMILAR TO OUR BRITISH INVENTED CATAPULT DESIGN CLONE! CANT YOU INVENT ANYTHING ON YOUR OWN? YOU ARE COPYING FROM USA USA USA AGAIN! IS THERE ANYTHING YOU FUCKING RETARDS WONT COPY FROM US?
>being this retarded

>>34436712
>Canada's Feds want everyone to do it YYYY/MM/DD.. 2017/07/02.
That is the master race of date formating.

Aside from anything else, it makes sorting lists way easier because a simple alphanumerical sort puts everything in date order.

ISO8601 4 lyfe

It's a big ship but can China even wage war? Chinks are very lazy.

>>34439041
I was commenting on their socio-economic and political development, you enormous twat. It had nothing to do with China's congenital inability to innovate anything more complicated than charcoal, sulfur, and saltpeter

>>34434993

I hope nobody takes your retarded nonsense seriously.

>>34427665
Butthurt fool

>>34440216
>congenital inability to innovate
I think it would be a pretty bad idea to base our opinions of the future threat that the PLAN represents, on the fuzzy idea that the Mongoloid is inherently incapable of original thought.

China failed to launch its own Meiji Restoration like event in the 19th C, and was racked by civil war and internal politicking in the 20th, so I suspect we are now actually seeing their first concerted effort at modernisation without significant obstacles (barring any calamity in the next 20 years).

没有共产党就没有新中国!

South CHINA Sea, clue is in his name! China grows, American slows.

>>34415809
Looks like some super rich asshole mega-yatch. I like it.

>>34438912
see >>34441214

>>34442583
Unironically this.

Glory to the Chinese Communist Party.
The true heir to the Imperial Dynasties.

S-should have bought Chinese...

>>34409049
no quantum sat insta teutonic stargate?

>>34442583
>bilingual shitposting
Impressive.

>>34445962
Not for the 055. 055B will have quantum radars, tho.

The current one has the Type 346B AESA with GaN T/R modules, though.

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>>34412295
it really is funny the resurgence of summerfags parroting war is boring talking points about ships performing nominally with minor pop up issues typical on new shit.

>>34446304
Don't quantum radars only work for some silly range like 50 km or so? Well within the X band detection range of stealth aircraft.
It's okay Chink, waste your money, I'm sure your economy isn't going to falter any day now ;)

call me when china can get a fucking flooding exercise under control and not have everything fuck up.