How can Amerilards even compete? >https://www.youtube.co

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America tried this 20 years ago, did it much better, and it was still a monumental failure

Russia will eventually come to the same conclusion. Infantry is outdated, as is land warfare in general, and we need to focus on drones.

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>vatniks in-charge of aesthetics

>>34404347
thats so stupid

>russia unveils yet another model at some expo
bet that the US is very concerned

Its just a mockup. America has done this a bunch of times for recruitment purposes, it means nothing for them and it means doubly nothing for a country like Russia with a strained defense budget.

Does the Army really advertises mock-ups like that, or is just a private company's initiative trying to get some publicity ?

>>34404364
>Zapata
>Russian

que

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>>34404491
Probably both.

even if it wasn't just a stunt they would never be able to afford it for mass production

>>34404572
What fucking dumb looking leg things. US again proves its inferiority in all things.

Uhh, just look up talos armor in you tube. Russia's just copying us again.

>>34404701
that is 20 years old

>>34404347
I like the triangles and hexagons.

>>34404356

The US tried it and it failed because of tech infancy.

Now we literally have 1970s super computers in every house and mobile processors that are better than anything from the Soldier 2000 system.

The main drawbacks for Soldier 2000 were the fact it was too heavy and too power hungry for the battery tech of the era, which was pretty much powered by a car battery. The shift back to this sort of tech is purely led by how much consumer grade technology has improved to the point you could run a Soldier 2000 off a Raspberry Pi, powered by a phone battery and carry it all on a exoskeleton system.

Plus air burst grenades DO work. They are just pointless on a dedicated system. On an AK with a range finder and a simplified ranging system, they would work fine.

>>34404572
20 years old and yet it acts as a tech bed for a shitton of things in use including the legs being trialed at the moment as a marching support.

Vatniks are just attempting the same thing now with a better consumable tech base.

Try wearing that thing in Afghanistan in 120°F heat, with 60 pounds of additional gear on your back,you'll be dead from heatstroke within 15 minutes

>>34404825
>not installing watercooled hoses or central air on your space marines

>>34404825
>what are cooling systems
You do realize that hopeful wishing the engineers make stupid low-level mistakes won't get you anywhere, right? The guy wearing it will probably be much more comfortable than the guy actually carrying his 60 pound rucksack in the sun purely with his real legs.

>>34404825

1. You don't carry the weight, the exoskeleton does.
2. I assume it has some level of air con in it. Even if it's just a couple of terrible shitty fans then it'd be easy to install and it'd save on heat exhaustion.
3. If it's even remotely relatable to Future Soldier, it's 150lbs of external weight. I assume these wouldn't be standard issue and probably just go to your LMG gunner so he can run around with his PMG without issue.

The biggest issue they'll have in the modern era, which was the same as FS program is the battery/power source.

Battery tech hasn't improved much to the point electric vehicles are literally using mobile phone battery banks. I imagine this is no better.

>>34404347
>RT
Fuck off Boris

>>34404347
What i can't figure out is what the arm shields are for. I assume shrapnel but they don't cover enough space to be protective.

>>34404837
They are using JP8 turbines on the TALOS already with a rechargeable battery when they need to approach something quietly. Power is simply no longer an issue and who cares about the noise of the turbine when half the squad has the weight capacity to carry around a 249 instead of an M4? The racket that would make will largely overshadow any engine hum.

>>34404866
Spaulders are never there to protect your arm but to prevent side shots from getting into your squishy torso. Rifle rounds through the side should be even more deadly than frontal shots due to the amount of vital organs lined up.

>>34404879

You'd think that with the extra weight capacity that they'd be able to issue some rifle resistant armour on the side that'd somewhat flexible.

I guess not tho.

>Power is no longer an issue

Depends on possible deployment time. The goal is 12 hours currently.

wait did that guy have the sora no woto patch? is that a actual one they have?

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>>34404907
Definitely they'll be tied to vehicles a lot more than regular infantry. If they can run off the battery and recharge regularly with their assigned vehicle they should be able to last on patrol for as long as the vehicle has fuel. Maybe we'll see the return of dedicated APCs with enough space to hold these somewhat bulkier troops rather than stuffing them into current IFVs?

And yes I agree the design of this Russian concept is really sketchy. Non-overlapping tiny triangle plates instead of simpler, singular large plates? Must be something the artist added when they realized nothing was on the arm. The Talos doesn't have exo arms either but the pauldrons look like they can be partially supported by hanging off the torso section of the frame.

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>>34404347
>>34404347
>>34404347


That begs the question

Why the fuck hasn't the military created a armor that protects your ENTIRE BODY? It's clearly possible due to exosuits becoming real. Don't give me that shit about muh slowness, just make them capable of deployed down from helecopters and jets ODST style. Don't they want to save soldiers lives? Why the fuck are they using an outdated helmet design when knights had helmets protecting the face hundreds of years ago? Is the military stupid!? Jesus christ

here's the webm

>>34404938

Could be a light version I suppose.

Future Soldier had 3 variant depending on role where the basic issue was just a regular vest and the suit was purely for weight distribution.

What I want to see personally is a LMG coupled with these. Those new aussie pulley systems to alleviate weapon weight/increase accuracy tied to the frame of these with a belt fed full size round machine gun would be the best issue that one of these could hope for since the idea is to offset pack size and increase operational efficiency of an individual soldier.

With a full size LMG like a M60E6 or something similar, these would be insanely effective.

>>34404941

They have. The Future Soldier program had full protection from 7.62x39 on a multiple hit level and some protection from full size rounds.

The problem is that they slowed the soldier down to such a point that speed and evasion > protection.

No point being protected if you are going to eat shots you would otherwise avoid.

I imagine the entire purpose the military will use exoskeletons for is to keep soldiers from tiring out on marchs/patrols while increasing deployment pack sizes in terms of ammo and such. It's what these sort of tech programs end up doing because until they keep maximum speed and flexibility with the system goals, these systems tend to cause more harm than good by limiting soldiers and their ability to go prone and act how they want.

>>34404347
To me it looks just like proof of concept. They just showcased it to flex their muscles.
No way it will go into mass production, America did indeed try something of this sort.
Even if they were going to issue it anyway, in no way would it be standard issue. It would be too expensive to retrofit even sections of a military with this sort of gear. Not only that, but additional training and such reliance on technology, as it looks like it has a wacky high-tech visor inbuilt, is in itself a big turnoff.

>>34404347
by being able to get a cheekweld on our rifles, mainly.

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>>34404347
Like This.

>>34405005

America tried this 20+ years ago when the tech was pointlessly more expensive.

Now we have quadcore computers in pen drives that cost $30 and run off 6w per hour when in the 90s, a 700 mhz pentium 3 cost $200 without the rest of the system and ran off mains electricity and generally power hogs.

Plus there were no microturbines back then and batteries were shit.

Today the microturbines run well enough to try again and batteries are sorta better due to lithium being more prolific than the lead batteries before hand.

Wouldn't be TOO shocked to see proper full suits become a thing soon given the drone focus.

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Enough of these leg-only exoskeletons, when is someone gonna make something like pic related?

Anyone know why they use triangles in their armor? doesn't that make it weaker

>>34405055
flexibility.

>>34405055
Yep. Just a graphic design flair like an Aaron beck picture, to show how much mighty Russia is leaving America in the dust. Youve seen the US exo mockups? See a single futuristic triangle? Of course not, pigdog Americans using obsolete tech as usual unlike forward-thinking Russians who use triangle AND hexagons AND triangle camo pattern all in the same design haha burgers btfo.

>>34405055
If the triangles were double-layered and didn't have giant gaps in between them then it would work just fine, basically triangular dragonskin.

Triangles and hexagons are sufficiently FUTURE, squares and circles can go suck a dick.

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>>34405055
They want to look like Deus Ex, so in other words it's because of the illuminati.

It'd be a lot more practical to just use three large armor plates rather than all those triangles in the arms.
Human arms aren't wiggly tentacles, they don't need much more flexibility than is provided by an upper arm, elbow, and lower arm plate.
Plates would also be better at taking impacts than just strapping triangles to the arm.

Are we even sure those are armor? Maybe they're just rubber pads

They can't, we control their president.

Will the army every make a standard issue over the face helmet? Something that saddens me are wounded soldiers that had their face cooked off by an IED.

>>34405272
If that's the case where the fuck is my civilian legal AS-VAL import

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>>34405291
No, unless you count that Mtek predator which isn't "standard". They only really have utility for gunners in armored vehicles or helicopters. For anyone that has to actually carry their shit, they are too heavy for the protection they actually offer, which isn't that much, particularly against IEDs. Plus it'll make your eyepro fog up.

>>34404347
looks great until you have to aim your rifle or breathe slightly faster than normal pace for any given reason.

>>34404825
>not having different uniform/equipment for different environments
>not having water-cooling system

>>34404347
1 question.
With that big ass facemask. HOW IN THE FUCK ARE YOU GOING TO GET YOUR FACE LOW ENOUGH TO SEE THE SIGHT?!?

>>34405815
A smaller stock that attaches on a lower point on the receiver. A cushion on the stock will also allow a stock-weld to the side of the helmet, the inverse of a cheek weld.

Unfortunately not an option for the AR-15 family due to the buffer tube being in the way. (^:

>>34405815
Put camera on gun and strap VR headset to the front of your helmet to make it even bulkier.

>>34404347
>russia managed to show a X that will never be put in service as implyed or in the numbers
Looks like they wanted to please the forgotful vatniks again, see you next month with the next garbage.

>>34404347
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQYCQgh_37A

>>34404941
This is probably a bait post but... they have done it. It's called an EOD suit.

You see sonny, it protects from bomb. Ya know bomb? Go boom! You understand? G-o B-O-O-M.

>>34404347
That camo pattern looks interesting
Is there a name out there for it?

>>34404825
Watercooling sewn into underwear. That's
what Russians had in some juggernaut armored soldier few years back.

>>34404356
what the fuck is that horrific firearm supposed to be

>>34406202
You must be 18 and over to post here.

>>34404572

>change is constant in the army

>>34406233
I'm 21 you old fag.

>>34404347
>implying they'll actually issue it out beyond maybe a few snowflake situations, if that

>>34404347
>60 years behind the usa LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYYC0cH9Xug

>>34406202
OICW, noob

It was supposed to replace the M16/M4 with the advanced warrior/soldier 200/whatever other 10 designations they gave that program.
It was a select fire 5.56 rifle that used STANAG magazines, had a 20mm semi automatic airburst grenade launcher, and a whole suite of thermal and night vision options. Awesome concept, but the technology was in its infancy when it was conceived in the late 80s. I think they should have another whack at it with modern tech.

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>>34404941
Haha protecting soldier's lives? Soldiers are expendable. Look at their contract dunmy.

>>34404347
Helmet looks good, BDU not bad, Collar looks uncomfortable, Vest looks too loose, Hexagon arm padding is unnecessary.

>>34404347
https://www.armytimes.com/story/military/tech/2016/02/23/army-roll-out-better-body-armor-combat-shirt-2019/80579300/


>literally just copying what America does

>implying any sort of power system put inside a Russian-made future suit WON'T just kill the soldier wearing it

>thinking Russia will actually follow through with any sort of production of this PR stunt

>>34406324
It's eerie how right they were about today's soldiers.

>>34405000
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WlM8IHij6Hs I am excited for LSAT. If I remember right the military is thinking of using 6.5 CT to replace regular 5.56 and 7.62, but that would sacrifice any wight and volume savings from using 5.56 CT. https://www.google.ca/amp/www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/05/08/lsat-6-5mm-plastic-cased-ammo-armys-next-small-arms-program/amp/

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>>34404356
CHINA WILL GROW LARGER

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>>34404347
>>You see Ivan, if you invest several billion on a single soldier, enemy of be thinking twice of killing afraid of ruining global economy

>>34404347
Still waiting on the video of soldiers running a course with the new gear.

>>34404347
What is TALOS?

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>>34408577
The suits in the background are the most protective suits Russia has ever fielded on the battlefield and it's not so different from those experimental gunner suits that Americans tested a few years ago. They have cooling system at least, which means heat is not a problem.

>>34405846
This right here. Who needs proper cheek weld, when you don't even need to shoulder your weapon to use it effectively.

>>34409452
>which means heat is not a problem.
What it means is that heat is less of a problem. It's still a problem though.

>>34404347
This from the same country that can't even afford a new rifle system.

>>34406296
faggot

>>34404356
>drones
Swirly yourself

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>>34409741
The pot calling the kettle black.

>>34409918
>Modern modular weapons system utilizing rails vs Warsaw pact side mounted optics

To put the 74m on the same level is just ignorant.

Not to mention the US spends around 15 times what Russia spends on defense so...

>>34405815
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qCsvtrMbzI

>>34409948
>WE SPEND MORE THAN 50 TIMES ON MILITARY THAN YOU!!!
>YES OUR RIFLE IS THE SAME PIECE OF JUNK WE USED IN VIETNAM BUT AT LEAST WE UPDATED IT 20 YEARS AGO

You Americans are hilarious.

>>34404941
because soldiers have, infinitely light and near impenetrable armour in the form of cover.

>>34410080
Why would you spend money on a service rifle when you can spend money on air support and other things that will actually give you a significant advantage? The difference between the issued rifle and a top of the line rifle isn't enough to justify issuing the expensive shit to all of your grunts.

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>>34410080
There is nothing objectively wrong with the M4A1.
It does what it was made to do.

>>34404356
>A2 grip

Already failed