Alright /k/ so, new sigfag here. I've been looking at getting

>>34392675
Op again, should be clear what I'm looking for is any info at all on the 220 series, with a focus on the two examples above

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>>34392675
>I've been looking at getting a sig handgun, in the 220 series without a rail.

Why?

The old German guns were made on inferior equipment. The factory honestly looked like they made bumpers for Soviet cars. The newer guns are vastly superior, regardless of the soul grapes posts you get on k.

I have a 9mm P220 that I bought because I like shooting my P220r so much but didn't want the .45acp expense. The newer guns is MUCH better in every way. .38 super P220s are super fucking rare. I've only ever seen one, ever. You may be able to find a .40 Browning BDA but I don't know if I've seen one of those either.

Just make sure whatever you get comes with an American mag release because heel releases are for lesbian communists.

Pic related.

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They never made (to my knowledge) a P225 in .40.

I would find a P6 or W. German P225 for what you're looking for.

>>34392786
I would definitely prefer the newer production pieces of course, I don't necessarily mean a P220 specifically, from what I can tell a .225A1 in .40 would be do-able.

And thats what I figured with the .38, worth a shot though.

P.s. Thanks for the info on the older guns, seems like no one wants to say anything helpful, all the reviews seem to be fanboi as fuck

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>>34392786
I see you don't have a P226 Extreme. I'm selling mine in CO right now because I honestly just want a mushy indistinct Glock trigger.

I'm considering picking up an LE turn in p229

>>34392920
Wasn't sure on the 225 thing, using it as an example of what I'm looking for.

Thanks for the info /k/ommrade

>>34392786
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ols5jkWOIO8
>RAILZZ

>>34392943
Quite honestly, it sounds like you want a 10mm P220.

>>34393034
>>34392786

holy shit, dat modern sig is wayyyyyyy better than my 1990 west german that's never jammed or broken. God damnit why did I buy this early 90s piece of crap german sig! Should have went modern fosho

>>34393218
(Op) you know, I hadn't thought of that, is there such a creature made today?

>>34392948
I'm probably selling all the P220s and P226 for legions just for the beaver tail and the ability to keep my threaded Jarvis barrels. I'll probably pick up some more X-5s and a P210 too. The cost of .45 doesn't bother me anymore since I make a shitload now.

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>>34393220
I know they suck cuz lol gommunism

>>34393034
Everyone has lemons. Years ago I bought a G3 Glock 22. On my first box of ammo the slide retaining pin broke and my slide shot 5 feet over the firing line. Shit happens. Fix it and move on.

>>34393220
These are the sour grapes of which I was speaking.

>>34393243
They're new and uncommon.

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I love my Sigs. If your stuck on .40, go for an older W German p226. You can always put a 357 sig barrel in there.

>>34393251

Kek. You're dumb and can't argue.

>>34393251
It must be SIGs fault that SumtinAutistic forgot how to put his gun together and then broke it through negligence.

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>>34393295
>>34393313

Back the fuck off!!

>>34392675
Exetershit =/= real SIG

>>34392675
why 40 cal? overpriced tweener cartridge. get a m11-a1

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>>34392675
There are surprisingly few options for a single stack .40 S&W or .38 Super pistol made by Sig. You can, of course, get a Sig 1911 in either caliber, but as far as P-series go, I'm not aware of anything else in .38 Super, unless you wanted to convert a .45 caliber P220, which is probably possible with a conversion barrel. Probably THE quintessential single stack Sig in .40 caliber would be the P239, and they are very nice shooting guns in that caliber (I've owned two), but not really a full size handgun. I can get my full hand on the grip, but that will vary if you have XXL size hands. The P225A1 could give you a bit longer grip, but I don't believe these have ever been offered in .40 caliber. At least, there is no .40 caliber variant listed on Sig's website as of right now.

As someone said, Sig currently makes a P220 in 10mm, although I don't know of any companies making conversion barrels to shoot .40 caliber out of this gun. It's a reasonably common model if you're patient, but if you want one quickly, they are scarce (they're produced in batches, so for 1-2 months at a time, they can seem scarce, until production floods the market for the following month or two). However, they are very pricey. The cheapest I saw online was $1100 for new, although they are starting to show up on the used market now for a bit under that.

>>34392786
Having owned about a dozen Sigs, I just don't agree. West German Sigs were consistently high quality, whereas Exeter has produced a ton of lemons. The only thing Exeter does better is having a slightly more refined trigger out of the box. The older Sigs stood up to wear better and broke less. There are lots of new Exeter designed parts known for premature failure, whereas it's rare to hear about an older Sig breaking anything more substantial than a spring.

>>34394487
>Having owned about a dozen Sigs, I just don't agree.

There is no argument here. By SIGs own admission the US made guns are made on more capable equipment at a rate that was never possible in the EU factories. Their failure rates have gone down but that doesn't fit the trendy "it has to be west German or it's garbage" narrative.

If you prefer the older guns, that's fine. Just don't try to justify that with some sort of inherant quality that simple doesn't exist.

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OP...I really don't know what the fuck you want because of the wording of your post and a bunch of other shit but the best Sigs are the P226 and P229. The P229 is a more compact version of the P226 but was designed in mind to house .40 S&W.

I own a German stamped P226 and an '05 P226R that is considered one of the best 226's quality control wise by some more serious and high volume shooters. What I don't like about the stamped Sigs are that certain crucial parts on it are no longer made and they have a shorter lifespan than newer made Sigs.

I bought it from this website listed as 'fair' and while it had some dings and scratches around the gun, the rails and internals otherwise were immaculate. It only cost me $500 too.

Would strongly recommend getting a DA/SA 9mm P226 or P229, an assload of ammo, a few spare magazines for it, possibly upgrade the sights to something like Dawson fiber optics and shoot it until the wheels fall off.

.40 isn't something I poo poo as much anymore but do not be fooled into thinking using a .40 or .45 will make any sort of noticeable jump in your shooting performance. .40 is great for shooting critters with but that's another discussion.

>>34394667
>There is no argument here.
Try finishing the paragraph, you jackass.

>>34394667
>a company having tons of problems claims "there are no problems, the company is actually better than ever!"
Wow I'm so surprised that they would say that.

>>34392948

where in colorado are you? I'm in aurora and willing to drive, how much are you asking?

>>34392675
I shot it, i didn't like the trigge. Nicr layout but meh

>>34394893
What.

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I like Sigs. Ignore the note I was shitposting.

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If you want a weird caliber p220, why not go 10mm?

>>34394893
>shot it, i didn't like the trigge.

*I suck dick at shooting DA/SA guns, I was shocked it was nothing like a striker fired gun*

>>34394709
>Try finishing the paragraph, you jackass.
I did, you retard. I just didn't quote it all because it would make a wall of text.

Your assessment is incorrect given what we know about new SIGs. It's fudd lore.

>>34394793
Euro SIGs were assembled using the same technique that old keltecs used. Parts are machined close enough then hand fitted. New US SIGs are finish machined and QA'ed by computers. All parts are 100% interchangeable.

>>34392675
>in the 220 series without a rail.
Uh, why? I hope it's just for range use, if so.

>>34395541
I seriously fucking doubt the West German military was using hand fitted firearms for their military in a post-WW2 Europe.

>>34394868
This is my ad:
http://www.armslist.com/posts/6946646/denver-colorado-handguns-for-sale--sig-sauer-p226-extreme-9mm-srt-trijicon-hd-night-sights-

Happy to meet at Ark Tactical, transfers are cheap there.

>>34392675
The proper term is "Sig Nig."

>>34395621

you seriously prefer the glock trigger over a sig? i have 5 glocks but zero sigs and would love to pick one up

>>34394675
Op here,
Yeah I screwed the pooch wording that but you still answered my question. I was trying to figure out if sig made such a creature.

As for expecting a jump in performance, I'm no fool, I am just used to shooting 40's, I could settle for a nine but I simply prefer the recoil of a forty, same with .38 super.

Anyway, thanks for the help, I guess it looks like I'll have to keep digging, I'm in no hurry

>>34395524
If computerized mass production with less human involvement automatically makes for better guns, then I guess Taurus trumps prewar Colt, huh.

Do you even realize how retarded what you're claiming is? Fucking idiot. If you actually had experience with both West German Sigs and Exeter Sigs, I guarantee you wouldn't say such stupid bullshit.

>>34398109
>If computerized mass production with less human involvement automatically makes for better guns, then I guess Taurus trumps prewar Colt, huh.

Your comparison is as dumb as you are. You obviously have no experience in manufacturing.

>>34398109
>Do you even realize how retarded what you're claiming is? Fucking idiot. If you actually had experience with both West German Sigs and Exeter Sigs, I guarantee you wouldn't say such stupid bullshit.

I posted a pic that has west German, German and NH SIGs in you fuck.

>>34398320
The idea that hand-fitting parts is low tech and automatically makes the entire gun low quality is reductively childish and counterfactual. Having a barrel from one gun be swappable with a barrel from another gun is not a demonstration of quality of either gun. I already gave specific examples in my earlier post of how Exeter Sigs fail to meet the same standards that West German Sigs set, but it seems you are only able to see the subject in one dimension. When this was pointed out to you, all you could reply with was "hurr, thats dumb, ur dumb." I don't think here's any point in me continuing to waste my time arguing with a person like you. Enjoy having to lube your gun with heavy grease to keep it from beating itself to death prematurely.

>>34392786
>that filename

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>>34392675

>>34398493
Have fun with your early model keltecs.

>>34399151
You're fucking delusional, dude.

>>34401157
"Taurus is the epitome of gun design" -you

>>34401390
Lol, you're a lot more delusional than I thought.

>>34402015
I'm the one who understands that not every handful gun is a python.

I also understand that the point of mass production is to make things more uniform to make assembly easier and QA faster.

You're the one stuck in fuddland, despite the overwhelming evidence presented.

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>>34392675

Old sigfag here.

It sounds like a P239 in .40 is what you are looking for.

Single stack.
No rail.

Is it full sized? Not quite, but now you have something you can carry and it will shoot as well as a larger .40 cal. The P225 is mechanically the same gun as the P239 but it only comes in 9mm.

Also, the 40 P239 can usually be found at a discount compared to the 9mm these days, and can also use a 357 sig barrel.

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>>34395862
Not at all. Glock triggers are shit. I'm being sarcastic. I'm pretty sure the SRT P226 trigger is one of the best DA/SA triggers you can get, at least in terms of the SA. Extremely crisp, pronounced wall, tiny reset. Better than HK IMO as well and I've shot a MK23 and a USP9 compact (both belong to a friend).

I just want a Glock for the aftermarket and because I've never had one. I always hated them growing up, but now I want one. You the guy in Aurora? I'm open to trades+cash if you've got a Gen 3 G17 or a G17 MOS.

Would also consider a 19 I guess.

>>34398689
Gorgeous.

P226 Extreme for sale in CO. Honestly hate to see it go but I can't afford to own more than one pistol at a time these days.

>>34402193
Post a picture of your face. I want to see what's someone looks like who equates West German Sigs and prewar Colts with Kel-tecs.

>>34392675
Don't. The Signess is real.

>>34392948
castle rock.

Why must you toy with my emotions. Just bought a 1911 xo and 320rx meme.

>>34398689

Where did you find this.

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>>34403004
Some sigfag had a bunch of unusual examples. Some rarer stainless ones etc, anyhow I picked that one for whatever reason, this was years ago.
>kind of neat comes with green mags too

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>>34403025
I've been looking for one to add to my collection.

Nice find good sir.

>>34392786

sig 220 series

comes in 9mm 40 cal 45cal 357

comes with compact or full size

comes with

double action only, double action kelerman (short reset, basically half trigger pull but heavy)

some come with safety decockers or safeties

anybody know where to get the DHS limited edition sigs (wood grip air martial/ matte black coast guard)

>>34396602
>As for expecting a jump in performance, I'm no fool, I am just used to shooting 40's, I could settle for a nine but I simply prefer the recoil of a forty, same with .38 super.

I'm the anon you replied to, fair enough. I can't really fault you if you legitimately prefer .40 over 9mm, you have your reasons.

I thought I linked this in my post the other day, plenty of good deals on .40 Sigs

https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/category.cfm/sportsman/used-firearms/brand/SIG-SAUER/of3/40-SW

Again, most of them are immaculate.

>>34395060
It's creeks, not smooth.

USP was best pistol I shot, no m23 was best.