How does gun ownership work in the Star Trek universe? Can people

>>34378036
My guess? No private/personal ownership in Buried Rod's mind

Sulu was a gun collector.

No one has time to go on murder sprees because they're too busy fucking green girls 25/7 in the holodeck. The only part of Star Trek I find unbelievable is that human civilization survived unlimited virtual masturbation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu0TXl15PgU

they're communists. what do you think?

>>34378036
I believe replicators (on starships, anyway) are programmed specifically to disallow the creation of certain dangerous objects or substances. That said, certain weapons, at least those of a ceremonial nature like some bladed weapons, are possessed by crew (like Worf and his Klingon blades) and from what I've seen of phaser storage there doesn't appear to be much required in the way of access to get to them. Maybe your possession (again, on a starship at least) is tied to your duties and rank. As for the rest of the non-starship folks, even pretty illicit disruptor weapons are available on the black market, and some groups want Federation small arms in trade for something, which the Federation seems to frown on and if they were readily available by replicator I don't know why anyone would be trying to restrict access in the first place. Some of that may have to do with the power source - the replicators can't reproduce certain things; antimatter I remember was one of them, maybe latinum, etc.

>>34378036
Humans have evolved past the need to own guns in Star Trek

>>34378036
Real guns with holo-rounds?
You're free to own a gun, but if the replicators don't allow you to make ammo the only place you can use it is a holodeck.

Gubmint aside, that'd actually be pretty cool. As soon as you walk off the holodeck range all the holo-shit in your gun would disappear. No cleaning needed.

>>34378086

Imagine being the poor cunt whose job it is to mop out the holodecks after each session.

>>34378036
Pretty sure standard replicators have software safety locks on them to prevent guns or explosives being replicated. If you want a system that'll make anything you probably need to go speak to someone with large lobes on the quiet.

As for a /k/ommunity, expect to be declared terrorists on most worlds and transported directly into a cell in your sleep. If you were one of those (in universe) weirdos that went wilderness hiking for fun you could probably get a phazer if possible threats from local wildlife warranted it, otherwise why would anyone need a gun???
That said when you have fucking holodecks that let you relive any conflict and shoot any gun ever imagined, you have kinda reached a point where actual IRL recreational shooting would seem a bet meh in comparision to the possibilities. Or you could just relive the Alamo a billion times like that one group in either DS9 or TNG did.

>>34378150
They just use the transporters to lock onto all organic matter and transport it away to space or maybe some kind of biomatter reclamation equipment.

>>34378150
>>34378183
they could just use a hologram to do that.

>computer run simulation: janitor.

>>34378175
Officers can make guns and weapons though, it was a plot point in a S7 DS9 episode, there was a weapons collector

>>34378036
I always wondered why they didn't just replicate some old fashioned guns every time the Borg showed up.

>>34378183
>biomatter reclamation equipment
This, for all the tech in Trek universe they still need to maintain a closed loop, they're insanely efficient at recycling matter but I don't think can outright create it from nothing.

>if you serve on a starship every meal you eat contains processed cum

Actually this is sounding more and more like a /k/ommunity after all.

>>34378036
As far as I know, that issue was not very well answered by the Star Trek universe. There are some conflicting information. Stated earlier, Sulu was a gun collector but in early TNG, it was established that humanity was beyond its aggressive nature and history. Later TNG showed private ownership of phasers. DS9 had an entire episode about a Vulcan who snapped and started shooting "happy" humans with a modified gun. Voyager and Enterprise explained next to nothing about the culture of Earth post first contact.

The replicator question is answered in DS9, weapons were not in the log of replicators but could be manually added manually by someone.

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>>34378232
I always order teh brownies.

>>34378036
Keep in mind the nigh-Collectivist mentality of your average Federation citizen. They could get as many as they wanted, but none of them would ever think to use them.

>>34378220
Well yeah you can expect some parallels to reality, if you have reasonable rank within the Federation or just fuck-you amounts of wealth things are going to be different compared to the general population and you'll get some extra liberties, I was more talking about how things would be for the bulk of people.

>>34378261
Notice in that scene that the Borg shielding couldn't do shit against holo lead. I want to see the timeline where all Federation crews get armed with projectile weapons for fighting the Borg. What does starfleet LBE look like?

>>34378231
The Borg were able to adapt to the frequency of directed energy weapons after only a few shots, I doubt it would take the deaths of very many drones for them to catch on and produce a simple force field to deflect physical projectiles.

>>34378284
The Federation is fucking retarded.
>fight Borg
>know lol phasers only work 2/3 shots
>know that projectiles rekt Borg
>won't use them
Star Trek is garbage, it's shittier entertainment.

>>34378231
I read in one of the expanded universe books (I read some, bite me) that shielding on combat drones adapted to kinetic energy as well as energy weapons. The drones in First Contact (the movie with the Tommy gun vs drones) were not combat drones but engineering drones (all drones are capable of combat).

Of course, even without that EU reason, it would be safe to assume the Borg would quickly adapt and figure out some sort of projectile resistant shielding.

>>34378036
only the high command as in the jews own it

>>34378086
same shits going to happen tho

women are getting and pushed into higher position
men are being unemployable thanks to the gynocentric edumacation system and hence are unmarriable

women end up as lesbians or do not settle down due to carrers so the population goes down turning the country into a shit hole

>>34378175
the problem with that idea (replicator DRM, basically) is that unless you're using a whitelist system, there's nothing stopping someone from making a custom design that functions as a firearm. unless the computer has some kind of heuristic firearm identification system

>>34378583
Except there are several episode plots where the holodeck safety features malfunction. Causing replicated guns to be actually lethal. Hell the holodeck creates Artificial Intelligence during the Sherlock Holmes Data episode.

>>34378278
It's also a matter of being a post-scarcity society. Recall that Jean-Luc's family chose to live an agrarian lifestyle; they were literally farming hipsters. At any time, if one of his family became ill or injured, they could be whisked away by magic beams and have all their boo boos cared for.

In the UFP, all of the causes for small-potatoes conflict are eliminated; everyone is healthy, fed and sheltered. Developed UFP worlds are techno-utopias (where our left's fruity ideas come from, and work perfectly). but our fruity fruits are putting the cart before the horse. You would need to eliminate resource scarcity and make immaculate universal wellness possible BEFORE you lay down your arms and move all the people into giant spacehippie communes, not after.

>>34378316
Terran Empire had weapons that made the Borg threat irrelevant.


or since they collapsed well before First Contact. They might not have been involved with the borg in a paradox. Which means no borg in 22nd century earth to take a ship being chased by the NX-01 and signal the borg in the delta quadrant. Which means the borg never decided to invade the alpha/beta quadrants. no time travel back to Zephram Cochran. Cochran launches his warp ship the Phoenix with out Enterprise help.

>>34378655
That whole Borg first contact thing is bull anyway. Since Q forced contact with the Borg. Then again TNG had more than its share of plot holes.

>>34378583
Just disallow creation of custom objects (or at least complex ones)on units avaliable to the general population, at least unless there's a suitably senior officer/other government lackey present to authorise the override. Given that replicators presumably have access to a library of pretty much everything ever there's little reason to actually need such functionality outside of a few niche cases.
You can presumably still produce at least some of the tooling required to then manufacture guns/ammo yourself, although whether you want to do so via a replicator that might just flag certain combinations of stuff being made to the Insterstellar Brady Foundation, or get your tools another way less directly traceable is a reasonable question. Probably a carefully thought out middle route would be best, replicators would be undeniably useful, but I can see it being all too easy to deny their casual use to produce anything directly gun-related.

>>34378310
>>34378334
>>34378316
I was wondering, if phasers are easily adapted to and bullets may be just at as easily adaptable, why hasn't the Federation or anyone tried anything more exotic? For example, are the Borg resistant to extreme temperatures? Who says I can't melt them into slag or shatter them into ice shards? What about lightning? It's distinct from lasers and phasers, and mechanical targets tend to be weak to electrical attacks. And in theory, if I had a handheld antimatter or even dark matter weapon, would that not totally wreck the personal-level shields of a drone?

>>34378670
I think the rationalization, is that the Borg were already on their way, and Q was just showing Picard what he was about to be against.

Terran Empire gets kind of retarded. Sato becomes Empress because of the USS Defiant. Then the next to Empresses are clones of Sato. Goatee Spock becomes the next Emperor. Who implements a lot of reforms to curb the violent aggressive backstabbing torturing bullshit of the Empire. Which allows the entire empire to be destroyed and enslaved by the Klingon/Cardassian Alliance.

>>34378679
Based on the movie that has the Borg queen the best weapon is a bioweapon that dissolves organic material. They can't function simply as half cyborg.

>>34378125
Holodeck is about the only chance at recreating the fun of a real firearm.
Otherwise, no, I don't think people evolve past fun.

>>34378036
>Can people just replicate all the guns they want and ammo without giving a shit?
probably all federation replicators have safety blocks to stop that, because space liberals.

>>34378036
Pretty sure everything other than the government is banned because Star Trek is literally UN noguns wet dream.

AKA you're not allowed to use replicators to make dem baby klingon ass salt weapons.

>>34378737
they probably let people have phasers that can only stun.

colony worlds near federation space borders seem to allow civilian weapon possession. since there are many references in TNG and DS9 of colonists fighting back against alien raiders.

>>34378679
EU book anon here, the "explanation" to why Borg shields need to adapt is because the Borg use an energy efficient shield so it can be fitted to the individual drone. The actual effectiveness of the shields against stress is completely inconsistent.

The books suffer from the exact same thing the TV series did, they were written by writers who had not read or seen all of what already existed. Often creating new things to fill in story plot holes, which often create bigger holes in other stories. Like most expansive stories/universes, they eventually get too big, either from the originator forgetting things or additional writers who are not fully aware of other writers actions and creations.

>>34378203
You know damned well Quark made Rom do it.

>>34378086
Federation just gets on the socialist space transports and go to Riza. Where they can bang flesh sluts all day.

>>34378310
Energy required for a field of mass dispersion over that much area is going to be ridiculous compared to charged particle dispersion.

Genesis is the ultimate weapon. It rips matter apart and can rearrange it into almost anything.

Borg cubes could be rendered into asteroids or comets in a heartbeat.

Fluidic Space turned into the Cherry Jello Dimension.

The Dominion? turned into copies of Earth and the Federation's latest colony.

>>34378284
thats not how borg shields work, they adapt to the energy pattern of what is being fired at them, so the more you fire holodeck bullets at them the sooner they'll adapt.

they would also adapt to real bullets after a few shots

>>34378901
the energy requirements for stopping kinetic projectiles is higher than plasma streams.

>>34378129
Holodeck fags are the new airshiters

>>34378619
the holodeck didnt create the AI, the holodeck created a character specific to the instructions given it, which was a self aware program with a high degree of intelligence

>>34378099
Let's be real, communism has no meaning in a post scarcity society. Don't project your binary views on what would be a reality if basically everything could be easily replicated

>>34378036

iirc pretty much everyone was banned from privately owning weaponry. This was half the reason the Maquis formed, because colonists got pissy about not being able to defend themselves and for good reason.

How do you even stop a kinetic weapon in real life or even in the Star Trek universe.

Best I can come up with is point defense hooked up to phasers or a repulsion tractor beam.

>>34378912
True, but they're already running around producing a fuckload of power to make any shields, handwavium says it's enough for a shield to also stop bullets once a few have died and they adapt.

>>34378996

How do you stop a .38 revolver shooting a bullet at you? Maybe that thin fabric their wear is super high-tech and of course their medical tech is amazing but chances are firearms are completely banned. It makes sense, after the horrors mankind went through in WW III (near total destruction of human civilization). If you want to rig a weapon, you'd likely go straight for an energy weapon anyway. They are way more versatile and have uses beyond shooting people.

What if somebody creates a virtual machine shop inside the holodeck, replicate the raw materials necessary to make a firearm, and use the computer archives as reference?

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>>34378912
so you're willing to accept that they can move gigantic ships across the galaxy faster than light with antimatter reactions but your suspension of disbelief doesnt go so far as to account for personal shields capable of stopping 9mm?

right.

the fuck out my face.

>>34379092
shields can stop the 9mm.

though if you had a 7.62RFNATO minigun and poured a stream of lead into a borg drone. you would deplete their power reserves or burn out their shield emitters. sooner than you would by shooting a phaser rifle at one all day.

>>34379058
Items replicated in the holodeck decay if leaving the holodeck. They describe it as not being the same material as our space.

Now they can replicate objects that remain, such as a violin, or even a gun. But that's why everyone is saying the federation would have a block on the average person doing that.

>>34379110
>though if you had a 7.62RFNATO minigun and poured a stream of lead into a borg drone. you would deplete their power reserves or burn out their shield emitters. sooner than you would by shooting a phaser rifle at one all day.

Like, how do you know that, man?

>>34379137
I was meaning replicating outside of the holodeck.

>>34379110
or you know, the shields could just disrupt the structure of lead, copper, or whatever on the molecular or subatomic level until enough mass is removed to make the projectiles ineffective, or just transport them somewhere else.

but go ahead and finish your trek/weraboo fanfic about the federation teaming up with the ss to fight the borg using mg42s

>>34379195
The best you could do is try to trick the machine by replicating items that you can later combine. Such as the different ingredients of black powder and such.

However the machine might be programmed to.detect that, or at the very least you know it records everything so there's evidence against you if you're trying to be anonymous about it.

>>34379242
You didn't read my first comment fully, did you?

>>34379314
Say you machined it, whatever. How you gonna make it go boom if all the ingredients are contraband.

>>34379352
Make 'em with ingredients that aren't contraband?

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I'm almost done with TNG, do I watch the movies then the original series?
TNG is the only Star Trek i've seen so far

>>34379394
Having been born in the 24th century you were never allowed the information as to what makes gun powder. Access to that information is also restricted. You don't know how, citizen.

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>>34378707
A holodeck shooting range with every gun ever made.
I want a freaking time machine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>34379402
Straight to Deep Space 9 son. It's the best iteration of ST ever imo. Enjoy!

>>34379427
>Having been born in the 24th century you were never allowed the information as to what makes gun powder
I learned by reading Kirk's captain's log about how he defeated the Gorn

>>34378125
Otherwise the Borg would be a joke

>>34379794
Only the Dominion war is good. The rest of the series was a sitcom in space.

>>34379402
Well considering TNG is the literal worst Star trek ever made it's all uphill from there
Of course I watched TOS first so I might be biased. Also watch TOS in production order not airdate order.

>>34380122
I never understood why they sent commanders out to potentially dangerous away missions. I mean I'm watching Descent right now and freaking Picard walks into the home of the Borg with Troi and get captured and leave command of the ship to a doctor

oh shit Lore took over the Borg?

>reenact any battle you want with any weapons you want
>unlimited arsenals
>any targets or ranges you want
>any weapon you want from 30mm autocannons to .45 lugers to orbital casaba howitzers
>your waifu becomes real
a holodeck is a kommando's wet dream.

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>>34380222
>bullying insurgents who don't have AT capabilities with an ancient tank

>>34378124
>latinum
There was a reason why Ferengi's prized it so goddamn much that they based their entire economy on it.

>>34380267
>charge african warlords with a tsar tank
FUND IT

>>34378036
In one of the Original Series episodes, Sulu finds a S&W revolver on the ground (in a planet where imagination becomes life) and makes a passing remark to having one in his personal collection but not quite as nice.

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>>34378036
Remember the episode where the crew visits a planet that makes their fantasies into a virtual reality?

One of the guys is a gun collector and he happens upon an old revolver, he exclaims "I'll never get an opportunity like this again!"

Turns out the planet was turning their fears and wants into holodeck-style reality with no safeguards. The inhabitants/caretakers use it as a resort for the alien races with much more control over their emotions.

Pretty sure the federation are fucking commies and don't allow firearm ownership.

>>34380222
I always imagined using the holodeck to play simulations of battles past.
Kind of odd to hope for the future to relive the past.


>>34378124
I figured the black market trade of federation arms was frowned upon because that technology could fall into the hands of either civilizations that are not part of the federation, either because they had not advanced far enough, or are enemies.

>>34380324
Several members get strafed by a P-51 Mustang in that episode.

>>34378036
I really think the answer is cultural: humans don't seem to give much of a fuck about traditional weapons. It's like how today we have the industrial base to turn out vast quantities of plate harness, or halberds, or what have you but relatively speaking nobody owns them.
I'm sure that those with the independent streak and urge to have top-of-the-line weapons would go places where people are cool with it (like the Maquis). The rest would just dick around in holodecks because it's easy, like people play For Honor today instead of strapping on a shield and getting measured for a hauberk.

>>34378125
this is why i liked the latest star trek movie. for how stupid it was at least the villain called out the universe for being so stuck up it's own smug liberal ass.

>>34380357
Correct.

>>34378929
vid related
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0ox8g7TZ4o

>>34380357
"Shore Leave" Season 1, Ep 15

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>>34380395
>MFW I refuned that game on Steam after only 40 minutes

The scale didn't seem correct to me and it felt the guns were 20% smaller then their real life counterparts.

>>34380370
Every kid cares about historical weapons.

Then they realize modern weapons are way better and upgrade.

>>34380446
have you tried pavlov VR? it's not extremely simulationist but it is basically CSGO in virtual reality.

>>34378257
Enterprise showed that civilian ownership of firearms still existed; the first episode is kicked off by a guy shooting a Klingon who crash landed on his property.

>>34380497
>Enterprise
>the first episode
The Federation did not exist at that point.

>>34380193
>I never understood why they sent commanders out to potentially dangerous away missions.
Because they're the characters you know.

Same reason you never hear about the bridge's night crew.

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>>34380306
I happen to have the picture lying around.

Then again it's TOS and those wacky Federation types even had money back then.

>>34380520
United Earth is the governing body of Earth and all subsequent colonies; it's entirely possible that there are different laws and regulations regarding personal ownership of firearms while serving Starfleet.

>>34380563
I love how his first reaction to seeing a gun lying on the ground on a supposedly empty (of intelligent life) planet is to pick it up and start shooting it. A real /k/ommando.

>>34380695
If only his actor was as cool.

>>34380657
True. Though they could leave weapon ownership up to the individual jurisdictions, i.e. Earth has different laws regarding ownership than say Wolf-359 or a colony on the border of the neutral zone.

>>34380539
well yeah but still, bugs the hell out of me

i wonder how counselor troi looks like today

>>34380703
Sh-shut up, Bill.

>>34380306
>>34380563
but doesn't he also mention he would never get an opportunity to actually shoot one?

>>34380941
I think he was referring to shooting one in such great condition, but it could be that being on a ship, he couldn't bring his firearm collection.

>>34381007
Could be, if only star trek were still airing we could email the writers and ask.

>>34381007
>Be on the Enterprise
>Orbiting an uninhabited world
>Captain Kirk invites everyone down for a range day
>"Mr. Sulu, you have the helm"
>Contemplate just fucking leaving until he asks to beam up

>>34378036
There's an episode in DS9 where a guy replicates a good old chemical propellant gun and attached a transporter to it. Dude would fire the bullet and beam it a half inch from his victim. He was also a star fleet officer so he may have had privileges normal federation citizens dont regarding replicator privileges but my impression is guns are seen as pretty harmless. Disruptors and shit on the other hand are a no no.

>>34378261

He had to disengage the safety protocols in order for the gun to actually be able to kill anyone. You can go into any holodeck you have access to and fire any gun in history to your hearts content but they can't kill you or anyone else unless you deactivate the safeties in place. Most people would probably be completely satisfied with that. Since all that imaginary technology is based on the same stuff (Holodeck, Replicator, Transporter, it's all about manipulating things at a molecular level) it's probably not too hard to make a gun and ammo with a replicator.

>>34379859
That makes as much sense as someone in 2017 getting to read the captain's logs from the CVN-65 Enterprise.

>>34378232
>I don't think can outright create it from nothing.
They can take in other matter, break it down, and re-arrange it. There was an episode of Voyager where they did that.

>>34379019

Alternatively Energy weapons are widespread because ballistic protection material has become lightweight and ubiquitous.

Not much point using bullets when the enemy is clad in a skintight jumpsuit that shrugs them off.

For all we know the standard Federation uniform is indeed bulletproof. Some wonder fabric.

So that said, it makes sense that the Borg as well would be similarly armored. Picard had to mag dump an entire drum just to drop two guys. And one of them was only recently assimilated and odds are wasn't fully kitted up with Borg gear (and he had his Starfleet uniform still on).

>>34380657

It's also post a very serious series of devastating wars. The prevailing zeitgeist may be very in favour of personal arms ownership.

>>34382024
>implying James Tiberius Kirk's memoirs, often excerpted directly from his personal logs, aren't required reading at the academy

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>>34378036
They let Worf have his bat'leth, and he can carry that shit around on the Enterprise like it's nothing. I imagine that folks are allowed to have other kinds of weapons.

>pic related

>>34382273
Warf is a Klingon, they have to respect his culture! :^)

>>34382297
just like how they resected O'Brien's Irish heritage, by making him suffer constantly.

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>>34382297
Guinan has that phaser rifle she keeps under her bar, and that thing isn't Federation issue.

wow, only the black actors get cool weapons. whitey gets... diplomacy or some other weak shit.

You think Chekov's gun is a Mosin?

>>34378700
And then Humans rebelled and rebuilt the empire with a goal of taking over the prime universe.

>>34382344
>Guinan
Guinan is also not a human. Black AND an alien? CULTURE! :^)

>>34382309
Precisely. He must suffer, and breed inter-racially.

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>>34382344
Given that Chekhov thought he could step out of the way of bullets during the OK Corral episode, I don't think he has much experience with antiquated weapons technology.

Kirk on the other hand can handle a typewriter.

>>34378232
>This, for all the tech in Trek universe they still need to maintain a closed loop, they're insanely efficient at recycling matter but I don't think can outright create it from nothing

E=MC^2
M=E/C^2

A civilization that can master warp probably could create matter by using insane amounts of raw energy. Of course, there's plenty of mass out there in the universe, if they have the ability to re-jigger matter at will, that's hardly a problem.

Presumably, it's not a perfect technology though. Example: the Gold-pressed latinum currency used by the Ferengis would be worthless in a non-scarcity universe.

nerd rant</>

>>34382428
Latinum is valuable because it is rare, hard to get, and can't be created by a replicator.

The Ferengi set it up as the reserve currency of the alpha/beta quadrant.

>>34382186
If you're in the Academy you're eventually going to be an officer with access to much more powerful weapons. Way to move those goal posts.

Why don't they just replicate infinite ubermen for a source of soldiers? They literally could do that.

>>34381701
Sounds like bullshit. Transporters can't lock on to moving objects.

>>34378124
The reason it doesn't make sense is because the show is fucking fiction.

>>34382742
>Everyone graduates the Academy
>Everyone gets a decent commission
>Nobody outside the Academy reads Academy texts
>Nobody has ever asked a drunk Starfleet officer about it and gotten an answer
That signal you hear is the Kobayashi Maru's distress beacon.

>>34382929
they could, with some lateral application of transporter technology/accidents.

>>34382742
one starfleet starship could lay waste to several planets.

>>34380193
Early in TNG there were several occasions where Picard would want to go down himself and Riker would insist that it's his place to personally oversee away missions and not Picard's. As the series goes on Riker becomes less and less insistent and lets Picard go out when he wants to without any arguing.

>>34383509
Can you blame him? Once his beard came in he was ready for the promotion.

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>>34382344
>Reminder that a single man with a hand phaser and a dozen charge packs could easily hold off a medieval army

It must be noted too that in the Sniper episode of DS9 replicating non-phaser/disruptor personal weapons doesn't seem to be an issue unless you use them in the wrong way.

The fact that a civilian bartender on the Federation flagship was allowed a weapon that powerful just to keep behind the bar is a pretty good indicator of weapon rights. And something else to keep in mind is that not everyone lives in the utopic core of the Federation, some choose to settle outlying worlds and live harder lives. Including risking attack from groups like the Cardassians.

>>34378358
>men are being unemployable thanks to the gynocentric edumacation system and hence are unmarriable

Men have always been slobs, but women are keeping their standards way too high due to social media/career culture.

I don't see it getting any better until gene therapy and post scarcity make attraction/personal wealth a moot point.

>>34378358
>women end up as lesbians
>End up
>Implying it wasn't just that forced marriage and restrictive mores forced them to stay closeted

>>34378941

Star Trek is literally fully automated luxury space communism.

>>34378036

Literally everyone seems to have a phaser.

The whole point is that it's a utopian society, there's neither a reason to have one, nor to ban them.

>>34378901

It is visually demonstrated repeatedly that Borg shields never adapt to being beat to death. Why not just make a combat suit with super power arms and hulk smash borg? Never once in any Star Trek show did Borg shields stop punches.

>>34383955
>there's neither a reason to have one
Well, on Earth, Vulcan, Andoria, etc., that's true. Good to keep one or 8 living on the Cardassian or Klingon borders.

>>34383839

>utopic core of the federation

This is actually an interesting point to bring up, since they say multiple times that poverty, war, and crime have all been essentially eliminated on earth. This could likely mean that since there is no crime or war there is no need to restrict weapon ownership, especially since the Federation isn't s particularly authoritarian government.

>>34383957

This. Data and Worf are both shown to collectively wail on them. They should just build an army of self-replicating anti-Borg robots with chainsaws for hands.

>>34383974
It was unusual as fuck to have armed personnel on Earth.

Tasha Yar, on the other hand, came from a colony outside the borders that had experienced total collapse into anarchism and civil war.

>>34383989

Yeah, but of course, the Federation, being the peacenick hippies they are, probably can't make combat battle suits because the proto slime on Ceti-Alpha 20 might be triggered and that can't happen, or else the Federation has betrayed their principles or something.

>>34378036

How the fuck does anything work in the Star Trek universe? The Federation is just...inhuman.

>>34383957
>>34383989
Otto Octavius, the greatest foe the Borg have ever faced.

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>>34384001
>Tasha Yar
tfw no gf

>>34384023
>How the fuck does anything work in the Star Trek universe?
Volunteerism. People do things to stave off the boredom of living in the Federation.

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>>34378679
Yeah, in the Expanded Universe, the Federation cooks up all kind of crazy ass shit to kill Borg.
The current "It works" was developed by Chief O'Brien. It teleports bullets inside the Borg's shield. The bullet is fired and teleported, with kinetic energy preserved (usually isnt in transport), to about 1mm away from the surface of the target. Instant dead Borg.

>>34384028

Fucking-A. He'd just whirlwind through an entire Borg ship.

>>34384023
>How the fuck does anything work in the Star Trek universe? The Federation is just...inhuman.

>You put in the effort you get to see the reaches of space and explore things never before seen
>Far superior chance to actually be in a job you're good at
>No real penalties for changing careers or choosing a completely different life if things aren't working out
If anything it's far more human than anything we've tried so far once we left the hunter-gatherer life.

>>34384018

Dunno, I mean the Enterprise violates the prime directive constantly and they are seen as a model crew, and photon torpedoes seem pretty destructive.

I think it's more the fact that the Borg have countermeasures to physical attacks that we haven't seen in the show or else the writers are just lazy.

I mean the Borg aren't idiots, if they got attacked by Dr. Octopus or chainsaw wielding robots then I'm sure they would develop countermeasures. Too bad we never got to see an epic arms race between the Federation and the Borg that lasted the whole series.

>>34378203
>Por favor indique la naturaleza de su emergencia de limpieza.
Mop spooge
>Mierda. Maldito culo de la Flota Estelar

>>34383929
No it literally isn't. Communism would be "we have limited resources, so we must all share equally". Star trek is "we have effectively unlimited resources, so take whatever, idgaf"

>>34384136
>the Enterprise violates the prime directive constantly
It seems like it's less a hard and fast rule unless they're doing something really blatant, like giving out technology a species isn't ready for. There's leeway for unintentional breaches.

>>34384160
Well, there are clearly some limitations - good land for authentic French wine, restaurant space and natural ingredients, etc., and you have to excel to keep it. But nobody has to worry about any of the basics ever not being provided so you're actually more free to explore what you want to do.

>>34380832
Like a wrinkly, saggy old lady screaming left wing moonbattery on Twitter.

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>>34384018
They don't fight the borg like that for the same reason you don't punch zombies: Because getting within melee range of something that can produce more of itself by touching you is a horrible idea.

>>34384418

Except if you are in a BATTLESUIT and being Trek, a shielded/sealed battlesuit, how are two little nanite spooging needles going to get through it to assimilate you? The Borg are fuckslow at hand to hand (as demonstrated many times on the show). A dedicated melee attack one on one = a dead Borg.

And I do agree with the zombie analogy, since that's essentially what the Borg are. But bludgeoning a zombie is a tried and true tactic, as any zombie movie will attest to. Just don't get out-numbered.

>>34382344
Chekhov's gun is an improvised mass driver. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1gzmSlP3oQ

>>34384454
>Don't get out numbered
>by the borg

Good luck with that.

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>>34378261

>>34384454
Unfortunately for you the Borg canonically possess integrated weapon units.

>>34383839
oprah there is also a member of the Q

>>34378036
After reading this thread, I've learned Star Trek is as much a space fantasy opera as Star Wars and everything is bull shit, but Star Trek uses technobable word salad and takes itself too seriously.

RLM goons are hacks.

>>34384454
Nope.

>The tubules were capable of penetrating any known alloy or energy field known to the Federation. They also allowed drones to interface with technology or even begin to reconfigure it using their nanotechnology. (ENT: "Regeneration"; Star Trek: First Contact; VOY: "Scorpion")

>>34385204
Nope, she's just an El-Aurian.

>>34382024
https://www.archives.gov/research/military/logbooks/navy-deck-logs-1941-1959.html