Is hunting really necessary? Hunters kill predators to protect

Yes, it would be the best for nature to let it sort things out itself, but that doesn't put meat in my freezer

>>34339879
nature says you should die of starvation OP

get to it

>>34339889
I can respect people who hunt for food rather than trophies, but they are a small minority of hunters. For most people, it is far easier and cheaper to buy meat than to pay for the privilege of hunting on someone else's land.

What does it matter? It helps the environment and is fun and cheap way of getting meat.

>>34339903
that's not true at all, and you've clearly no idea about hunting

>>34339905
>It helps the environment
No, it doesn't. Many species have been driven to partial or total extinction by it. Others are now not as big and healthy as they used to be because hunters select the best animals to kill as trophies.
>>34339918
I know people who hunt, I have hunted with them, and they pay thousands of dollars for it. That's far more than the meat would cost in a grocery.

>>34339918
While I guess you could hunt so that it is cheaper than what you can buy for, I consider it more of a fun hobby that has the side benefit of bringing meat home, of course there's costs in the permits and so on atleast here in euroland.

>>34339903
One Oregon Elk Tag = $42.00

One adult elk = 200-240lbs usable meat

200lbs elk meat from vendor http://www.elkusa.com/elk_meat.html: ~$5000

You literally save ~$4960 on one elk.

The vast, vast majority of people who hunt do it for food.

>>34339933
Then you're just associating with cunts. 99% of people hunt for cheap food, and killing old bucks is beneficial for deer. It gives the spikers a chance to compete. Hell most of the trophy animals no longer breed.

>>34339948
how much do i save from shooting a whitetail deer

>>34339948
>The vast, vast majority of people who hunt do it for food.
No, they do it for fun. The meat is just an afterthought.
>>34339948
>One Oregon Elk Tag = $42.00
The tag cost is just the tip of the iceberg. People spend thousands of dollars and many hours of time on hunting.
>>34339961
>It gives the spikers a chance to compete. Hell most of the trophy animals no longer breed
You just contradicted yourself.

>>34339965
I'm assuming white tail are the same size as fallow, with fallow you tend to get around 40kilos of nice meat. Also hunting is free where Inlive.

>>34339879
Because to keep prey populations down youd need alot of large predators around which are then also gonna eat peoples livestock, pets and maybe some people too

>>34339968
How'd I contradict myself? Trophy can be both past breeding and still breeding.

>>34339968
>The tag cost is just the tip of the iceberg. People spend thousands of dollars and many hours of time on hunting.

Thousands of dollars? What the fuck?

I don't know where you live but here you can easily buy a $100-$300 rifle/shotgun, $20 of ammo and your $42 tag and that's literally it. Load your shit up into your car and drive 20 minutes to public land and get your game for the year. There are no other costs, and the rifle/shotgun is a one time purchase.

>>34339980
And you are using both possibilities as arguments in favor of killing them. Your logic just doesn't add up.
>>34340000
It's much more expensive for out of state hunters. Most people don't have the option of in state elk hunting because elk have been extirpated from the eastern half of the country by overhunting.

>>34339968
Admit it mate, you're a faggit vegan aren't you?

>>34340000
how does hunting on public land work? what are my chances that i will come across other people while out there? can i set my stand/blind up and just leave it or will someone steal it? also how do i know that there's no one in a stand or blind in the direction i'm shooting when i take a shot?

>>34340012
I eat meat all the time, but I buy it rather than hunting it.

>>34340011
THEN HUNT SOMETHING ELSE YOU THICK FUCK!! Jesus fucking Christ mate, not everyone is a faggit trophy hunter who travels across the country.

>>34340011
dude idk where u live but idk anyone who is gonna take the time to drive to another state just to hunt. we dont have elk here so we just hunt deer and hogs and whatevers local

>>34340026
Congrats you're paying for animals to be far worse off then a deer will ever be. I'm not against it or anything I'm just trying to make you see that your faggit logic doesn't work.

>>34339879
We are part of nature, nature is running it's course

>>34340022
Kiwi here, why do you yanks hunt in blinds? Is it a comfort thing or is it super effective?

>>34340022
We have a very short hunting season for both deer and elk here, which means yes, you are going to run into other people hunting on public land unless you purposefully go to bumfuck nowhere.

I wouldn't leave it, never had anything stolen myself but I don't think it's worth the risk.

You only shoot if you have a clear backstop and know you're not going to hit anything. If you shoot even remotely close to someone they're going to call out so you stop. Pretty much noone uses stands or blinds where I'm at anyway

>>34339968
Oh, then why did you bother starting this thread? Being such an authority you are just saying no to whatever we say, so really this is just a political agenda thread on my pro guns board.

>>34340042
i do it because i'm scared of heights and i can bring a portable heater and get comfy. cant speak for anyone else though

>>34340042
ive never hunted in a blind because it's boring to sit on your butt for hours on end (i just stalk), but i know some bow hunters that use them

>>34340084
My thoughts exactly, I sometimes wait out clearings but I normally get bored as fuck after an hour. I normally get more luck going to high ground and scoping out for deer. Seems a bit retarded to limit yourself to a couple hundred metres.

>>34340100
The ol tahr technique.

>>34340042
Nother kiwi here sometimes I climb to known wallows/ sheltered hanging valleys in the early morning then sleep for most of the day under a blanket dropped between a couple of spear grass or matagouri. that's sorta blind hunting I guess

>>34339968
>No, they do it for fun. The meat is just an afterthought.

Oh fuck off, you're not a mind reader. You've talked to a small sample of hunters, don't try to speak for millions of people with such little experience.

>>34340133
specifically he's talked to what I am guessing are numale twink "hunters"

>>34340137
That's a pretty specific and bold statement to be made with the evidence given, you got something you wanna tell us?

>>34340137
Something tells me your gay, also I think you're referring to young hunters. I hunted as a teen, still did it for meat though. My dad would give me money if I got a deer. Also an Indian restaurant used to give me $10 for goats, and a farmer used to also pay me $5 a goat for getting them off his land.

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>>34340148
>>34340167

ill admit i started fantasizing aboujt teaching them a lesson

>>34340174
Hot young dudes, 20 somethings. Real smart-alec know-it-alls. Taking their new fangled ar15s out deer hunting, paying thousands to hunt out of state in their state-of-the-art blind complete with satelite tv and a blender for pina coladas.

They see me, with my tactical PU sniper nagant dressed in freshly ironed milsurp and fall in love at first sight.

I scold them for using the blind, tell them they should use real manly rifles, .30 cal. Let him feel some wood from my stock and trace the grains of the butt until they realize superior russian technology. I seize both their means of production and things start getting hot and heavy

>>34340213
u hwat

>>34340131
Nother kiwi here haha
Closest I get to a blind is up in the horomungas. You lie in wait on a south facing ridge waiting for rusa to come out and warm themselves on the north ridge.

Then you smoke them with my crusty old 303 across the valley haha

>>34340028
I'd rather not hunt anything. I'd rather leave the land in its natural state.
>>34340037
The ethics of farming are worth consideration, but that is a different conversation.
>>34340041
Not exactly. Human beings have a level of self awareness and abstract thought that allows them to act artificially.
>>34340042
Because we are lazy and like to sit. It's easier to let the animal come to you.
>>34340052
I'm not interested in legislating to tell you not to shoot animals. Moral suasion would be much more productive.
>>34340213
/k/-a magical place.

>>34340281
Who'd a thought this thread was so infested with kiwis. Where about are the horomungas? I personally hunt up the Wanganui river and the ruahines.

Yeah those tricky deer, always predatoring.

>>34340308
In the uruweras up behind murupara. You follow the way up the horomunga river. Theres alot of country back there. Gotta be careful up there, theres maori land pockets up there, doc huts too. Except one got burnt out a while ago.

>>34340304
>I'd rather not hunt anything. I'd rather leave the land in its natural state.

the natural state of the land is humans hunting things u silly goose

been that way for literally hundreds of thousands of years

>>34340343
Early man did not have the ability to radically alter his environment. The Plains tribes lived with the buffalo for countless generations. When the industrial revolution came, the buffalo were nearly wiped out in less than a century.

>>34340213
Kek

>>34340333
Sounds like rough country. The doc land around here is normally light bush mixed with farmland and forestry. Except for up the Wanganui river.

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>>34340304
>moral
>OP now deems eating calorie dense foods amoral
neck yourself mongrel

>>34340397
Fucking steep mate, its hard work up there before you even have to carry meat. I probably dont help myself by carrying old outdated shit haha.

>>34340419
What you got down there? Mostly reds?

>>34340428
Bit of everything in there, reds, rusa, fallow. Go a bit more north to rerewhakaiaatu and there are sambar.

>>34340445
Neat. I'm pretty lucky where I am, only fallows in the north island, sambar, reds, sika if you look hard enough. What's rusa like? Tasty? Also pretty jealous of the fly fishing you guys have down there, I kinda have to travel to Rangitiki.

>>34340467
The horomangas and rerewhakiaaatu are in the north island, haha more or less central north island. Rusa is tasty. Somewhere between fallow and red in terms of taste

>>34340402
Strawman.

>>34340478
Eh? Google fucking lied to me. Fucking Maoris why can't they just have the one horomunga

>>34340482
Haha i spelt it wrong. Its spelt horomangas. Grandad did alot if hunting over the years. Reckoned in the early 60s he say a mob of 54 reds, on the rangitiki plains. Long gone are those days

>>34340496
It's not so bad. The further you get from palmy the better it is. When I was a young spark I used to know a couple farmers up there who had problems with reds. Around Turakina and the road into palmy from Wanganui you can still see deer fences.

>>34340382
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_model

>>34339879
We are part of nature dipshit.

-aguywhosenevergonehunting

>>34339879
>Wouldn't it be better if we just let nature take its course?
By that logic, you should've been a midnight snack for mommy.

>>34340382
And now they are back both on the mainland and on catalina.

Also, with respect to tribal warriors and all that, but don't romanticise the native americans

They had 200 years to organize a unified tribe to resist and push back the white man but they held onto trubal rivalries and continued to fight amoungst themselves to the bitter end.

Also, if indians developed wheels and later guns, you'd bet your ass they'd use them and rape the land in their industrial revolution if they were left alone.

>>34340011
I'm a big game hunter, I take trophies, cape buffalos are dicks, the money goes to animal conservation, fuck you.

The animals of the food belong to us, they are our stock, therefore we harvest them and we also make sure that they are as plentiful as possible.

Except then I can't eat meat dipshit

I don't like killing cute fuzzy little animals so I pick ones that have had good lives and you respect nature and the creatures.

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