Is 6.5 Creedmoor the hunting round of the future? It works well

No, and no it can't kill everything in North America with "ease".

>>34335293
>Comfortably within "large game" power range as defined by the Hornady HITS calculator
>can't kill everything in North America
Well memed.

No, .30-06, .308 and .30-30 will remain the kings of the hunting cartridge world. People have been preaching about the ballistic advantages of 6.5mm cartridges since the 1890s. The idea that it'll finally and truly catch on 120 years later is a little laughable.

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>>34335426
>.30-30
Literally an antique, nobody is buying guns in that anymore.
>The idea that it'll finally and truly catch on
>What are the variety of 6-6.5 mm cartridges that have been wildly popular for decades

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>>34335508
Sales data seems to disagree with you

>>34335203
6.5 creedmoor is a great long range precision round. but honestly under 600 yards its not justifiable for me to get one... Also correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure they don't feed nearly as reliably in ar10's as 308?

>>34335564
Source it.

>>34335203
At less than 600 yards (hint: most people are shooting at less than 600 yards) it's not enough of an improvement over .308/7.62x51 to justify the increased expense and decreased variety of guns chambered in it.

>>34335564
rifles only i presume? i wonder how handgats and shotguns stack up

>>34335203
>hunting round of the future
It's a short action 6.5x55, which has been around since the late 1800s.

This "round of the future" shit needs to stop. The idea that you can take an existing bullet design in an existing caliber, pair it with an existing case, and load it with existing powders and make a truly lasting change is ridiculous

>>34335564
That's actually kind of surprising. I don't know anyone who regularly shoots .30-30.

>>34335564
I find it weird that .30-30 is outselling both .270 and .243. Must be way more old lever actions lying around than I realized.

>>34335203
6.5x55 a best. Everything else is a meme.

7.62x39 Soviet.
Vs 7.62×39 American?

>>34338416
There are infinity old lever actions lying around.

>>34338416
Winchester 94 is literally the best-selling civilian rifle of all time.

>>34338877
Except the best selling firearm is the Marlin Model 60

>>34338416
Why can people not get this through their fucking heads. 30-30 IS A GOOD BUSH ROUND CUS ITS GOT FLAT BOOLIT!!!

>>34335203
This and .308 will be the most popular rounds in the future I think. Short action, not too much recoil, low cost .308 available, ease of use in automatics, etc. etc. All that old fudd shit needs to die, like 30-06 and .243

The advantages of 6.5mm cartridges aren't apparent at your average hunting distances. Most shots are taken under 300 yards. Consider that most hunters hunt in semi-dense forest.

>>34335564
>7mm rem mag beating .300 win mag
A sure sign that the THURDY CAHL Fudds are now old enough that they'll stoop to a little sissy girl caliber than take another broken shoulder.

>>34335203
nothing less than .30 cal will do

>>34335203
Looks like a 270 wsm

>>34339417
A typical modern (7-8lb) hunting rifle in 7mm rem mag has ~24.69 ft/lbs of recoil

A traditional (10lb) wood stock hunting rifle in 300 win mag has ~23.32 ft/lbs of recoil

>>34339451
did they not teach you about sig figs in high school?

>>34339464
Fuck off Professor Jackson. I don't have to be nice to you anymore.

>>34336961
The south and Midwest are full of fudds and rednecks buying 30-30 for their one durr gun.

>>34335564
People didn't mag dump AKs in 2015? I'm calling bullshit and going to need a source.

>>34336767
Why though? Are we on the cusp of having viable caseless ammo? Is there that much better that gunpowder can get? Are we going to create a whole new kind? Are batteries going to change in some insane way to make lasers a viable choice? There have only been incremental improvements in ammunition for the last 100+ years, what makes you think this century is any different?

>>34339089
I hunt in western OR. Don't think I've shot over 80 yards in 3 seasons. I've been using 80 grain game kings out of the .223 and .308 for elk. You are absolutely correct, there are parts of the country that it's just too dense to truly matter.

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>>34335621
They feed just fine in AR10s and are preferable to the .260 because of it's slightly shorter OAL.

In Scandinavia 65x55 is a very common round for big game. Outside of Africa I don't see why there is even a debate since only a tiny number of hunter s shoot past 300 meters

>>34335293
Harpoon for the Land whales?

Eh it's a bit of an inbetween round. Not really good for anything in particular, too big for 50% of things and too small for the other 50% of things. Things like 7mm08 and .270 already exist and in large numbers and are big enough to be useful for things. It's really just a long range target round.

>>34340366
>It's not big enough to be useful for things
Except that the very similar 6.5 Swede has been used for decades to take everything from varmint to bear.

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>>34335841
Found it.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/best_selling_rifle_cartridges.htm

I also found this, which is peculiar, because I expected .22 LR to be higher.
http://knowledgeglue.com/what-are-the-most-popular-calibers-in-the-us/

>>34341323
>best selling rifle cartridges
>cartridges
>As an argument against "nobody is buying guns in that"
Just as I thought.

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>>34336228
6.5 swede has more case capacity anyway

>>34339464
That's to the third decimal cunt

>>34335203
>Is 6.5 Creedmoor the hunting round of the future?

No. It is a fad.

>>34339683
> preferable to the .260 because of it's slightly shorter OAL.

In my opinion, the 6.5CMs trouncing of .260 Rem has everything to do with Hornady actually having a competent marketing department instead of just shoving their new cartridge up their butts and sitting on it for 20 years like Remington.

At this point, I think you'd have to be a masochist to buy a rifle in .260 Rem over 6.5CM. Either that, or you just have a lot of 7mm-08 brass lying around.

By the way, your statement reads both ways, but SAAMI specs list the .260 with a shorter max OAL at 2.8" compared to 6.5CM's 2.825".

>>34335508
30-30 will never go away familia. Its the poorfag levergun go to.

30-30 is great for what it is. hunting in the bush at less then 200 yards.

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>>34335203
>designing the ideal hunting round
>bothering to optimize it for automatics

>>34341964
Culling hogs, my dude. The silly high SD on the 140gr 6.5s make them ideal for hog shoulders too.

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>>34341323
>.300wsm sold less than .338 lapua
I'm actually surprised at that. I love my .300

>>34342062
Damn, even 6.8 is outselling the 6.5 cartridges.

>>34341601
No, its not. Third sig fig means the third digit as long as the number does not begin with zero.
for example:
0.42678 is wtitten ad 0.427 in 3 sig figs
1.42678 is written as 1.43 in 3 sig figs
I am a high school math teacher with a degree in mathematics

>>34336961
you dont know any fudds then

>>34342062
I have a Remington 700 ADL with shitty warped synthetic stock in .243 Win.

I need to true up the crown (it has a big dent in it) and while it's apart I'll probably fuck with the locking lug fitment.

I wonder if taking a toolpost grinder to the lugs will help at all?

>>34339464
im in college and they told me not to worry about sig figs because it's retarded bullshit

>>34339464
Isn't it significant digits? Or is this the Euro pronunciation?

After looking at my area and the hunting I'll be doing, it came down to either 30-30 or 45-70.

I chose 45/70 because it looks more capable

>>34342154
sig figs is an American term as well, at least all over the American South and West

Is no one else blown away that such a light round is maintaining super sonic speed at 1400 yards?

>>34335426
>he hasn't seen the sales figures for 6.5cm over the last 2-3 years

According to ammoseek.com these are the top selling rifle calibers (not in order of sales)

>.223
>.30-06
>.300 BLK
>.308
>.45-70
>5.56x45
>6.5mm Creedmoor
>6.5 Grendel
>7.62x39mm
>7.62x54R

This list seems way more in line with what I see sold in stores and I what I see being used in the field and ranges.

>>34342435
>top selling rifle calibers
>(not in order of sales)

what did he mean by this?

>>34341323
>>34342062
Interesting that a sourced list doesn't look anything like OPs. Hey guys, you don't think that OP could possibly be a faggot, do you?

>>34343337
>OPs list
What did he mean by this

.35 Remington master race. All else is trash.

>>34342157
Have you considered .35 remington?

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You're all idiots.
This is clearly gods round, right here

>>34343433
My fault, that other faggots list 3rd from the top or some shit.

>>34343687
> Invented for Soviet Union
> Calls it God's round
2 months in the gulag for you, comrade. The only God you need is the People's Party.

>>34343771
Jokes on you! When the ruskies come, all I have to do is hold one of these up and fall in line. I'll survive the red dawn, baby.

>>34335944
>22lr since it wasn't on the rifle list
>9mm
>everything else

>12 gauge, 20, 10, .410

>>34342462
how fucking dumb are you?

>>34343794

dont worry ill tell them your an american spy who hates vodka and accordion music

>>34335203
Doesn't generate enough energy at the muzzle to hunt bison here in BC. Also you'd be pretty dumb to take it after a brown bear. It's very capable, but at the low end for moose and elk.

Automatics are not very common for hunting in most of the world. Bolt guns in 7mm+ calibers are likely to continue to reign.

>>34344228
>Doesn't generate enough energy
>Twice the energy of popular revolver bear rounds

>>34336961
Do you have any idea how many 30-30 rifles are out their.

>>34335203
I'm partial to 7mm myself. I think 7mm-08 is an outstanding round. Slippery 7mm boolets and good velocities.

>>34345729
Do you have any idea how many Es there are supposed to be in 'there'?

>>34345755
> 7mm-08
Haven't you out really outgrown it at this point? It's fine for what it what they invented it for, as a youth or woman's load, but you should be shooting .30-06 or even gimpy .308 at this point.

>>34345918
>saying .308 is gimpy but not 30-06
they really are almost exactly the same round

>>34341604
>objective superiority is a fad

Whatever you say, dipshit

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>>34345954
Not if you load them yourself. That longer case is good for one thing, at least.

>>34345990
yea but if i was reloading i'd go for .300wsm

and this is coming from a guy who owns a 30-06, .300wsm and 7mm rem mag

>>34345918
So I guess a super manly man would say that "308 and 3006 are good for women and youth, but you should be shooting 300 magnum at this point." The most manliest of super manly men would say that 300 magnum is fine for deer but for anything larger than whitetail, you really should be shooting 416 at this point.

Rifle caliber needs are all relative to what you're using it for with a touch of personal preference. I just like 7mm. I would love to build a 7WSM and set it up for long range like I've got my 308.

>>34345954
Also, to get back on target, I'd like to add that it's difficult to shoot a .30cal bullet with comparable SD to the 6.5 bullets unless you're shooting the 180-200gr bullets in .30-06.

>>34346041
> .300wsm
Fine caliber. Hard on barrels though, and I don't need the extra velocity personally at my hunting ranges.

>>34346056
Same for .300 win mag. If you've got the wallet and the shoulder to shoot a magnum without developing the flinch, go for it. For me, .30-06 is about the widest, most dense bullet I can keep over 2800fps all day at the range, so that's why I push it.

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>>34342345
>6.5cm
Why yes, this would take down any game in North America. Not very handy though.

Daily reminder that you should be shooting the least powerful round that will reliably take the game you are after, because anything bigger is a waste of money and a deterrent to practicing your marksmanship.

>>34346226
Made me chuckle/10

>>34346243
The problem is that reliability can't easily be defined. A perfect shot could take an elephant with a .22, for example.

>>34339052
Do you realize that .243 is a necked down .308?

>>34339486
But those people don't shoot any kind of volume. It would take a dozen .30-30 fudds to out shoot (in terms of number of shots fired) one of your average AK/AR owner.

>>34339523
>some insane way to make lasers a viable choice? There have only been incremental improvements in ammunition for the last 100+ years

This honestly only speaks to oldee existing rounds like .30-30, .308, and .30-06 continuing to be the dominant hunting rounds because many people aren't going to buy a new gun or a more expensive, harder to find caliber just to get some marginal improvement.

>>34340345
Only because 6.5x55 is the milsurp in scandenavia and it used to be cheap anf everywhere

>>34346548
What's your point?

>>34342088

Who gives 3 shits about sig figs? I'm a mechanical engineer with a research-based masters in math, and significant figures haven't come up once since I was in 9th grade. The only truncation people in higher education or industry care about relate to measurement precision.

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>>34343687
this

>>34340355
All you need for land whales is happy hour well drinks.

>>34343687
>>34348338
I mean I know this is bait but what does it actually do well for hunting?

>>34346565
That's how many there are.

>>34335203

Nah.

>>34335426
>finally and truly catch on 120 years later
It DID catch on in Europe. Meanwhile, the quarter bores, the closest non metric equivalent to 6.5 mm, were very popular in America until everyone decided they needed shoulder bruising big bore magnums for no particular reason.

>>34335564
He said people aren't buying guns chambered for 30-30. He didn't say that people who have 30-30 aren't still buying ammo for them.

>>34348401
Within 150y, yes.

>be Hornady higher up
>think .260 Remington is a pretty nice cartridge, too bad it flopped
>give it a cool name and relaunch it
>massive hit

There isn't any one ideal hunting round. There are many different situations that different rounds are ideal for. With that being said, it is a very versatile cartridge, and I think it's popularity will increase with time.

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>>34335564

I'm surprised 7.62x39 is so low, and 22LR isn't there. Is this by total number of rounds or USD sales figures?

>>34351907
You're forgetting the part where they had all that tooling just lying around because .30T/C never took off, so they took a gamble that paid off big time.