I'm looking for a good ol' rifle for camping, bushcraft,

Tikka M65A.

>>34334813
Tikka, Winchester model 70, and CZ 557 all meet those criteria. 270 Winchester is the best cartridge. 308 is OK too.

>>34334813
Why not a levergun?

Sounds perfect for what you want.

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So you want a levergun but not a levergun?
I take one with me hiking all the time and It is fantastic.

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>>34334813
your going to have to deal with polymer, wood makes the price jump.(if its good wood) and you wont be hurt when your hurt you polymer.
>Ruger M77
>Mossberg MVP/Scout
>Steyr Scout(the best on the list).
>savage model 11
This is pretty much the bee knees if you want bolt action rifle.

If not you might as well get a AK or AR.

if you still want wood you can get a custom stock.

>>34334813
I have a Mini 14 ranch rifle. I don't know if it's legal in all states but I don't see why it wouldn't be. It's got wood furniture, is semi-auto, and is fun to shoot. Also, if you put in .223 you won't have to spend too much.

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>>34334813
>>34334866
i forgot to mention you should look into jeff cooper scout rifle concept.

>>34334813
YOu just described an sks

>>34334891
you forgot
>expensive
>unreliable
>fuddy AR.

>>34334892
Jeff Cooper was a fucking moron, I don't know why Steyr fell for it.

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>>34334813

>>34334901
>I don't know why Steyr fell for it.
Just about every major gun manufacturer produces a scout rifle. You dont understand the purpose of it.

>>34334813
Ruger 10/22 the plain wood model.
Cheap, inexpensive ammo reliable and good enough for small game.

>>34334901
to milk people who drank his koolaid out of money?

For those ITT interested in Leverguns, please look at this thread and my experience with a new Marlin 1895
>>34334531

Just a PSA

>>34334933
>cant put down a bear.
learn to read faggot.

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>>34334813

get an SKS nigga, and buy 50 rounds of Hornady SST for carrying with you, on stripper clips, and 500 rounds of wolf to get some practice shooting it, especially loading with stripper clips.

you'll thank me later

>>34334865
Get out of here STALKER

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>>34334813
That pic looks maximum *comf*

>Wah, what are we gonna do under the logs?

>>34334955

>Doesn't know that you can kill bears with 22.

>>34334813 (OP)
Buy an SKS. Cheap, reliable, semi automatic, Holds 10 rounds of 7.62x39, and no polymer if Bubba didn't rape it.

>>34334931
>You dont understand the purpose of it.
Typical Cooperfags trying to pretend like that deluded old man had good ideas.

>>34334955
Alright then the only inexpensive round is 7.62x39

So a SKS or AK-47 in 100 types of variations

FNAR?

>>34334813
aside from the fact it isnt a rifle, a cheap pump action 12ga fits your description perfectly.

>>34334813
>Isn't mad of polymer
So, you want to hike with a heavy as fuck gun?

>>34335427
most of the weight in a pistol is in the slide or ammo load-out, anon.
even thought ALL things are relative, any gun you're likely to take hiking will be heavy as fuck.

>>34334813
Grab SKS, go innawoods
Only thing on your list it doesn't cover is short and lightweight

>>34334901
The scout rifle was basically a compromise gun based on 80s tech. Get a light AR-10 or M1A Scout Squad and scope it if you want the modern equivalent.

>>34334813
why no pump action shotgun? Legal in all states, light, reliable, 5-7 capacity, cheap ammo, hard hitting, cheap, basically everything you could want.

>>34336135
>light AR-10 or M1A Scout Squad
Both cost more both are atleast 3lbs or more overweight.

yep, you sure understand the concept. its not like the AR-!0, M14, AR15, AK47 or any other rifle were around at the time, oh shit they were all around.

non of them
>match weight
>match accuracy
>match reliability
and the list goes

>>34336563
Lightweight AR-10 builds were not around. The Scout variant of the M14 was not around. AKs and AR-15s didn't shoot a big enough cartridge. Rifle scopes were shit at the time.

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>>34334813
>literally describes an SKS

-Cheap
-Built sturdy
-Legal pretty much anywhere
-No bans in the future
-Accurate enough
-Cheap milsurp ammo
-Cool historical factor
-Fun to shoot
-Extremely reliable
-10 rounds of 7.62x39 could probably put down most bears

Only downside is it's heavy and long for what it is.

>>34335854
Circuit Judge is pretty good, I've owned one for 3 years or so. While it's cheap as hell and somewhat reliable, it wouldn't meet OPs requirements because of how expensive 45 Colt is. (at least where I live)

>>34334865
>muffle cheeki breeki in the distance

get sks and go innawoods

how did i read this far down and not see a single nugget post?

>>34336889
OP specified 'short' / under a meter...

Mosins are fucking javelins

>>34336889
because mosins are shit

>>34336205
Because Shotguns are for gays! Rifles for life!

>>34334813
sks lol

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>>34336599
dubs of truth. I just read some Cooper commentaries and he says how people in 93 asked him why he didn't consider any semi autos for the scout rifle and he straight up says, none were light enough back then. If he were alive today the scout rifle would almost definitely be a semi auto of some sort.

>>34336675
>No bans in the future
Some liberal fag in recent news used a sks to shoot up some pep's. I won't be surprised if it's banned soon.

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This thread seems sort of relevant to my problem, moved to Alaska and snagged a Model 29-2 with a 8 3/8" barrel to keep bears from molesting me. What holster setup can I get that will also allow me to wear a pack?

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>>34336943
>because mosins are shit
>He doesn't want to stop a bear in 1 shot
>He doesn't want to cook the bear with the fireball
>He doesn't want a spear to bayonet charge other bears as he works the bolt
>He doesn't want a cheap full size cartridge
>b-but muh rim lock
>He doesn't have a functioning disconnect
Listen here you little shit

>>34337002
Yeah, but I would assume that normies think he probably used a black scary rifle, and if anything would still go after those first. Remember how the media called it a Chinese AK variant.

lee enfield jungle carbine

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>>34336928
orly?

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>>34337438
grip is shoop'd on that obrez

>>34335718
Except a Scout Rifle

>>34337067
>implying 7.62x54R can stop a bear
>implying it can stop a bear in one shot

oh i am laffin

A levergun would meet all of your requirements except the one forbidding leverguns. Compromise?

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>>34334813
M1 Garand
All burdens are borne easier with pride and dignity

With not a Lee Enfield?
Ammo isn't super cheap but it's reasonable.
Can get 20 for 10ish.

>>34334899
Ar's are for fudds anon...

>>34336599
cooper was fine with irons.
AR10 still arent lightweight.
M14 isnt that accurate or lightweight.

>>34337759
AR's are for Bubba.

>>34337775
AR's are for kindergarten students.

>>34337038
Chest holster.

>>34337556
It's between .308 and .30-06, both of which are used to kill fucking polar bears.

>>34334813
Looks super comfy

>>34337002
The only thing is no one got killed and the people he was shooting at would have killed to have an Sks themselves at the time. So there's that

Mas 36 might be good, but it doesn't have a safety.

>>34337793

it's actually on par with 7.62x51 using 147 grain.

.308 hunting rounds actually match or out perform 7.62x54 hunting rounds.
I like both.

>>34337763
Except you can get ar10s that are less than 8 lbs
http://www.dpmsinc.com/DPMS-G2-AP4-16-LIGHTWEIGHT-CARBINE_p_2502.html

>>34339474
Well to be fair, .308 has a much wider selection of ammo to pick from here in the US.

With 7.62x54R hunting ammo, what you see is what you get. It's not bad, but there's not much of a selection.

It's similar to how 9x18 is better than .380, yet .380 has a much wider variety of ammo to pick from. Some that even outperform the average 9x18 load, simply because no one (aside from Underwood and Buffalo Bore) have bothered trying to make something special for 9x18.

>>34339536
>8lbs
>light
pick one. 8lbs is not lights, thats average.

>>34339684
yup.

also a box of 54r hollow points is expensive. I got one box of hornadys for $35

>>34334931
>Just about every major gun manufacturer produces a scout rifle. You dont understand the purpose of it.

To part fools with their money?

>>34339536

wanting some DI POS

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>>34336675
>long for what it is.
Pic related solves that.

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>>34334813
CZ 527 meets all of those requirements except maybe inexpensive... how much are you willing to spend, OP? If you can do $600-$700 I think you should give it a look.

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>>34337038
Just hike with a rifle and sling over your pack or get a good point sling.

Pic related; today outside anchorage.
I personally wouldn't even trust .44 mag with bears, especially with all the recent attacks as of lately.

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>>34339884
Sauce on those mods?

cz527 in 7.62x39, if you want cheaper buy nugget and hacksaw barrel to desired length

>>34340470
>7.62x39 on a bear
>hacksaw a nugget
Fuck all the way off you cancerous faggot.

>>34337038
>e
you're looking at a shoulder holster.

>>34334813
>could put down a bear
>fires inexpensive ammo

pick one.

Your main problem with specifications here is that I don't know what you're carrying it for. Do you want to hunt with it? Or just Defense? If hunting, are you wanting big or small game? What kind of bears (blacks vs grizzlies)? Are you thinking defense against hostile humans?

The suggestion of looking into the scout rifle concept is good. For small light cartridges that can punch above their weight, look at the 6.5 family. Creedmore is popular but the Swede is often used as an all around hunting gun. If you want to take rabbit and bear defense, you need to practice on your follow up shots with a bolt action and look into reloading to have specialized ammo.

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>>34334846
>>34334813

This, you should get a lever action.

Pic related is a Rossi RH92-50121 R92 Ranch Hand 6+1 44MAG 12", it can shoot 44mag and 44 special. Great gun.

>>34340760
A guy killed a bear months back with 5.45, took 13 shots. Not him but I believe 7.62x39 would do just as good a job with as many or fewer rounds.

Browning mk3 DBM

>>34341385
Although 7.62x39 does do a lot more damage to a person compared to a 5.45 round, 5.45 is better at penetration. If you want to kill a bear the most popular way is to shoot through the bears thick skull.

>>34341446
Wrong 5.45 penetration sucks compared to 39

>>34336675
A lot of states have bans that cover it. Also
>Cheap
No
>legal pretty much anywhere
No
>accurate enough
Yeah
>cheap milsurp ammo
No? It's all commercial minus m67 shit.
>cool historical factor
meh
>fun to shoot
Eh
>extremely reliable
Yeah
>10 rounds of 7.62x39 vs bears
Hello lower 48 and Hawaii

Sks for bear isn't the best idea. How fast could you shoot a bear charging at you? Maybe a trigger job, but altering perfect commie guns tends to get /k/ mad.

>>34339985
Prison school if I may guess on this image?

>>34334813

Why not a big bore revolver like a super blackhawk or a mossburg 500 with slugs for bears?

>>34339884
I honestly thought that was a mini-14 from the thumbnail.

God have mercy on us all

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>>34341549
Speaking of this, has anyone tried oath expanding slugs? I can imagine them being fantastic for bear defense when camping, but I wanna know if they are just gimmicks or not
>inb4 phone poster

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>>34339936
oh I'm definitely snagging a rifle for when I go camping. To be honest I just wanted a nice revolver and figured this was a good excuse to get one. Rifle-wise I'm thinking a used Remington 740 in 30-06.

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>>34334813
Gunsite Scout

Or an SKS if you can find a good one.

Kimber Hunter and an appropriate scope for your terrain.

>>34337782
Napalm sticks to kids.

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>>34339884
I honestly can't tell if I'm disgusted by this or not.

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>>34339741
If you read the page you would know the gun is 7.25 lbs. which is ~1 pound over some BA rifles with synthetic stocks
Pic is the ruger American. And the tikka t3 lite comes in at ~6.2 lbs also

>>34342140
I'd be willing to trade a little more weight for an extra 2" of barrel. 16" .308 seems like a wasteful noisemaker.

>>34342160
Just stop

>>34334813
a levergun in 45/70, 30-30, etc
ruger Scout
Steyr Scout
mossy 500/ Rem 870
any options from Browning or Weatherby
with the caveat that i dont know what you consider "inexpensive"

>>34334813

SKS is your best bet. That, or a Winchester.

>>34342160
They do offer a 20in model that still comes in around 7.75lbs. If anything someone could cut off a couple inches and thread the barrel while they're at it
http://dpms-gii.com/full.html#configurations

>>34334813
Mosin Nagant with PU scope

Not even joking

>>34337126
303 is no longer cheap or easily available

if he found one that was correctly converted 308 though...

>>34334813
Jeff Cooper pls go

>>34341453
Kys

>>34341840

I would want just a normal ass slug for bears. Never tried those though so they might work.

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>>34334813
That rifle doesn't exist. You get very close with an old Ruger .44 Carbine. 4+1 semiauto, 16" barrel, wood, internal tube mag. It will reliably put all 5 in one big hole at 50 yards with Hornady LeveRevolution rounds. It's light, and doesn't kick badly, but has tons of muzzle flip. It is fully compliant with all AWBs. It looks exactly like a standard wood 10/22, just has a fatass barrel. They are also a bitch to fine, since they've been discontinued. Gunbroker gouges for them; watch LGS used racks.

A version with a removable 4 round rotary mag also exists, and looks like a Mini-14. Pic related.

>>34339909
Getting a bolt gun in 7.62x39 seems kinda moot, at the least I'd spring for something in .270

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>>34334813
Mossberg patriot doesn't quite fit the length and weight requirement you're going for, but everything else fits the bill, even comes with a scope already on it.

>>34343289
why .270 is too expensive to shoot and if ur gonna pay a dollar a round u might as well get 6.5 creedmoor

>>34343403
Because it's a good hunting round with decent power and very flat trajectory that almost every bolt gun is available in.
>Too expensive
It's a hunting gun, you're not gonna go shoot a few hundred of rounds at a steal target every week, at most you'll just get it zeroed before taking it innawoods.

>>34343438
i would just get a .308 tb.h so i could shoot it a bunch too

>>34334813
Get a mosin faggot

>>34343498
Nice 2010 meme, friend.

>>34342278
I found 303 ammo starting for around 40 cpr on sgammo.
A guy in the woods isn't going to be humping a lot of ammo.
I would think 40 rounds max.
If he wants a round to stop bears I would be thinking more along the lines of a buck per round.
I'm not sure what the availability of these guns are anymore.
I bought mine years ago.
It just sits sadly.

Just get a .44 mag ruger. The only criteria it doesn't meet is the cheap ammo, however bear stopping power aint cheap.

>>34334813
bear spray

>>34342531
I figured slugs would work fine, but I wanna try them out anyways. Probably will order some and see how big of a hole it puts in a watermelon or something

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>>34334813
A scout rifle is what you need.
https://youtu.be/qucXL7GzoVg
The Steyr Scout fits every single requirement you stated.

>>34343853
It looks fucking hideous though

>>34343864
That shouldn't matter. He wants a rifle for camping. Not for photo-ops. It's very function and fits every requirement he put down, that's all that matters.

>>34343891
he said he didn't want polymer

>>34341840
Expanding ammo aint worth dick against bears.

>>34343920
I'm sure there are wood-stock versions. But if he wants it lightest, then polymer is what he's gonna use.

>>34343935
This is true for the most part. You want penetration not expansion.

>>34334813

bolt action is no good against an aggressive animal. you need a semi auto for DAT NON STOP POP POP

>>34336675
Yep, an SKS is what the OP is describing. If you get an inexpensive Chinese chest pouch, you can carry 200 rds in stripper clips, and an oil bottle/cleaning kit.
Forgot all the fancy useless shit, and just get one military stock. These can be had for $400 and under.

>>34344085
This, bolts actions are fine for hunting, but a semi auto or pump action are MILES better for actual defense, where you or a bear might surprise each other.

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>>34344085
WE NEED TO GO BIGGER

>>34344125
>not .50 BMG for removing blueberry

pls
It's like you don't want stoppan powah

>>34344134
but the noreen comes in at 13 lbs
just throw a nice red dot on it and have fun

>>34335127
For an innawoods gun especially in dense forest a scout rifle is perfectly adequate.

>>34339936
are you implying bear attacks have been more prevalent as of late?

>>34344272
2 people died in Alaska from bear attacks this month

>>34344272
3 different attacks in alaska just last week, 4 dead. A 16 year old jogger, a miner in a mining camp, and 2 woman attacked together who tried bear spray to zero effect.

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>>34344297
4 actually, all in the last like, 8 days? this just came in the news yesterday

?
A fuckin mosin nagant my boi

>>34344316
oh damn, didnt hear about that
black bears are stepping their game up

>>34334813
So you need an SKS to go innawoods with.
>isn't made of polymer
>legal in 50 states
>semi auto
>short
>inexpensive
>fires inexpensive ammo
>weight is opinionated decide for yourself or just stop being a little bit helps about it
>can kill bears
>reliable as they come

how the fuck did you come to /k/ where "grab sks, go innawoods" has been a motto for YEARS and not think "oh hey I probably need an sks"?

Holy shit man.

>>34344316
bear spray more like come eat my face spray.

>>34344308
>>34344297
#notallbears

>>34344316
>a hyper-aggressive black bear

that's racist

>>34334895
Agreed. SKS is the goto here and its not super expensive.

>>34344337
>>34344405
>>34344431
But theres still faggots on /out/ that get triggered when people say bear spray has a record of being inneffective.

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>>34335086
superior

.44 mag redhawk

>>34344037
>>34343935
Gotcha, thanks guys

>>34334813
Sounds like my 30.06. Not that I'd suggest a 30.06 if you were buying new, but it's perfectly serviceable.

>>34334955
>Who is Bella twin
22 can put down a bear "if absolutely necessary"

>>34344487
Isn't that Survival Lily's shelter?

>>34344761
So weird that I was looking at survival shelters this week and get that reference. I need to make a video myself as they ones I've seen wouldn't be great in the winter.

>>34344477
bear spray has >92% effective usage, so youre right in saying it has a record of not being effective, but its better odds than fumbling with a magnum revolver and hoping you aimed right

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Can a woodsmaster 742 be made into a reliable weapon?
Only ever shot one in .243.
Was basically a single shot.

>>34344816
Wow, what a fag. You know those numbers are inflated by liberals and the ACTUAL number for AGGRESSIVE bears is like 15%?

>>34337038
>moved to Alaska
Story time or are you busy?

>>34337528
The whole thing is a shoop

>>34344868
I have on in 30-06. It was my grandpa's. I haven't shot it a lot, and I haven't ever had problems with it. My dad said my grandpa used it for years and years to hunt deer and never had an issue with it. But, that weird bolt design is extremely prone to getting stuff in it. I don't know how much I'd trust it. Plus, it recoils like a son of a bitch. Not a fun gun to shoot.

>>34334895
>$400
>8.5lbs
>7.62x39
>"Must be able to kill a bear"

No

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>>34344761
yup

>tfw no austrian gebirgsjäger waifu to hike mountains with

so you guys think she's a dyke?

>>34344938
>so you guys think she's a dyke?
Kinda cool and had a doggo, uh do you mean dyke like shes a lesbian because maybe.

>>34344973
I never gave much thought till one of her last vids she mentioned her "significant other" which is leddit/tumblr/sjw speak for homosex or she's just really really politically correct

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>>34341522
Correct.

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>>34344885
No real story, I'm in thr army and they decided that this is where they want me.

>>34345660
For training?

>>34344938
disgusting

>>34345012
Actually that's just normal people speak you dong. It's not uncommon at all

>>34346194
russia/china/nork have no navy, if theyre going to invade its going to be through alaska, which is why so many anons are getting stationed there recently

>>34347428
Uh, I'll do the name calling around here

If I had the same needs as OP minus the short, lightweight, bear thing, and for self defense too, what should I get?

>>34347798
Either a 12 gauge shotgun or a basic ar15 will work best

>>34334813
Jeff cooper pls go and stay go

>>34347840

If the only thing I'm allowed to own in semi auto is .22 (i know...) and shotguns are really expensive here, I am fucked right?

>>34347798
I would say SKS but you probably heard that a million times before. Maybe a kel tec sub 2000, ar 7, yugo mauser.

>>34347890
You could always look at lever-action rifles if you have access to those. If not then that only leaves bolt-actions.
Not saying you can't use a bolt action for self defense, you can always train yourself to use irons or a red dot and work up your speed on working the bolt.

>>34343354
>No iron sights

>>34344750
>Not that I'd suggest a 30.06 if you were buying new,
I, however, would suggest it.

What about a Mas 49/56 rifle? It's lightweight, shoots 7.5 french, semi auto, and kinda short.

>>34343973
Integrated bipod was a major selling,point for the state scout, all stocks are polymer and have the built in bipod. Supposedly the bipod is the only,problem, being prone to breaking and loosening, but is otherwise known for being a fantastic gun.

Mauser k98 in 8mm.

Cheap, light, good stopping powah, durable.

>>34349487
Kar prices are through the damn roof

>>34334821
Never heard of a Tikka till now surprisingly (not OP) Looks like a pretty cool piece

>>34341878
If he wanted a 7.62x39 rifle why doesn't he just get an AKM or variant thereof?

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>>34344917
you're a shoop

>>34343289
7.62x39 is about the ballistic equivalent to 30-30 which has been a hunting cartridge since forever. 7.62x39 is plenty powerful and OP said he wanted something that fires inexpensive ammo.

>>34349788
jesus fuck go back and re-read the original post

Benelli R1