What is it like to be fatally shot? Do the lights just sort

>>34334651
You ever smoke dmt? Give it a try.

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>>34334651
>What is it like to be fatally shot?

...


Wanna find out?

That would depend on what type of fatal shot it is
Having an artery punctured will give you a couple minutes to bleed out as you drift in and out of consciousness
Getting shot in the brain on the other hand, you'd probably feel intense pain for a fraction of a second and then you just don't feel anything at all because you're dead

Finally my college forensics course is of use.
It depends on where and a lot of other factors.
Head shot that takes out your brain stem and frontal lobes is general instant lights out you wont recognize it.
Ahit to the heart will cause dramatic loss of blood pressure leading to rapid unconscious followed by brain death in minuets .

Lung shot causes pulmonary failure with in 5 min and is painful as you choke on your own blood and your lungs collapse as air seeps in around them. Imagine suffocating while still breathing.

Gut shots are generally done in by sepsis which leads to large scale infection so tons of pain there.

Limbshots generally hit artieries when fatal so bleed out in 5-10 min with excrutiating pain from bone fragments.
In ww1 there are accounts of soilders found dead with their hands shoved in their mouth missing fingers as they tried to keep themselves from crying out and attracting enemy weapons fire or having their friends try to save them to only get killed.

Overall op it hurts allot.

Salty milk and coins

>>34334721
>Limb shots
Not to mention of the blood starts to build up under your skin and cause massive swelling, I imagine that would be extremely painful....

Bags of sand

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>>34334721
Going into shock would also suck pretty bad. In addition to the intense physical pain you're likely overcome with fear and confusion as your body seizes and starts shutting down uncontrollably.
>>34334651
its like 2:30 in the afternoon here on the west coast, you doin ok m8?

>>34334651
it's great, i'd recommend trying it.

>>34334743

Under rated

>>34334783
Fuck i forgot that.
Okay so if the bullet isnt s through snd through and fragments a ton then blood pools like that anon said. You turn into a blood suausage with pressure being exerted on the metal fragments which get pushed into you musscles cutting their way through with every contraction and movement you make.

>>34334651
> what is it like to get fatally shot?

gee, i dont know, go ask a dead person.

>>34334651
Most people die of blood loss, so I imagine it feels like getting weaker and weaker until you pass out and never wake up

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>>34334721
>Limbshots generally hit artieries when fatal so bleed out in 5-10 min with excrutiating pain from bone fragments.
>In ww1 there are accounts of soilders found dead with their hands shoved in their mouth missing fingers as they tried to keep themselves from crying out and attracting enemy weapons fire or having their friends try to save them to only get killed.

>>34334786
This

Source: I've been fatally shot a couple times

>>34334703

>a couple minutes to bleed out as you drift in and out of consciousness

When I was younger, I used to have a problem, a lot like narcolepsy, where if I sat still too long like in class, or driving, or in a movie theater, or watching TV on the couch, where I'd start to get sleepy, then start to dose, heavy eyelids and head would droop, but I'd realize what was going on so I'd fight it, Problem was I could only just fight it enough to keep re-opening my eyes, or lifting my head, but not consciously recognize what was happening and stand up or move around, I was just stuck there fighting it, at like a subconscious level. People said I was "slow motion headbanging". I would even start having little dream-like experiences that would just last for seconds, which would then blur the line from reality and sleep even further as I continued this dance of fighting the sleep

It got really dangerous with driving and I almost wrecked a few times. Then around the time I turned 22 or so it just sorta went away.

I imagine bleeding out would feel a lot like this, only when I finally do "fall asleep" that's it. Now that I've sat here and thought about it it's terrifying

>>34334651
When I got stabbed to death I remember bleeding out and it was kind of warm. Things just went dim and to black. That was it. For the last few seconds I could see and hear but not move or act.

>>34336900

Is this true?

>>34334721

I know how to treat lung shots. You keep pressure on the wound. A first aid solution is to apply a square shaped, air tight material to the wound (like a torn up garbage bag), then you tape down 3 of the four sides. The dressing will prevent air from getting sucked in through the wound, but not from being pushed out.

>>34337102

If this isn't bullshit it's a neat fact

Isn't a sucking chest wound treated by stabbing another hole in the lung or something?

>>34336935

I don't think so. Things go white, not black. I imagine it's a lot like passing out from intense exercise, which is quite scary the first time. There's nothing like the sensation of getting tired of breathing itself.

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>>34334651
You ever had general anesthesia? You're lying there and then suddenly wake up with no recollection of feeling weird or passing out. Getting fatally shot is probably the same, except you don't wake up, and have no recollection of ever being.

>>34337162
the dude is right and afaik nope

This is something I'm copy and pasting I've posted before, but I guess it somewhat related.

>2007
>RPG detonated about 2 yards to the left of my head, and 1 yard behind me
>I don't know how to describe the sound, it was like a very short, very unpleasant sharp clapping sound that lasted a hundredth of a second
>suddenly I'm prone on the ground, my head hurts really really bad, worst headache imaginable
>try to stand up and fall over
>notice that my head is dripping blood
>all my exposed facial hair, neck hair, and arm hair has been burn off by a white hot flame
>I have what feels like a very bad sunburn over all exposed skin
>can't hear anything, I mean not a fucking thing. There was no eeeeee, just absolute and total silence
>try to stand up again, I have no sense of gravity. No sense of what is up or down. I feel like an infant trying to walk for the first time. Crumple over to my knees again
>my vision is closing in like an elevator door, there is blackness around the edge of my vision and what very little I can see is blurry, still can't hear anything
>I am dizzier than I have ever been, everything is spinning and every time I try to stand up or walk I faceplant into the ground
>eventually I get restrained and my BDUs cut off me to inspect for injures
>my helmet caught a piece of shrapnel about the size of a bottle cap that would have certainly killed me and went through my skull
>have 41 small holes in my shoulders and the back of my neck, most small about the size of a grain of sand, a couple bigger ones a little bigger than a pea
>get nine lined
>takes me 8 months to regain full mobility after a very severe concussion and loss of basic motor control, had to learn how to walk again, still get dizzy and vertigo from time to time, and I have to carry a notebook to write things down because sometimes I literally can't remember what happened 30 seconds ago

>>34334651
Bleeding out is the same thing as suffocating/drowning except there's no lung pain (unless that area is where you're bleeding from).

>>34337162
How is this bullshit? This is TCCC 101. Even the most boot of Marines knows (should know at least) how to apply pressure seals in event of pneumothoracic trauma.

Anon's correct. You are taught to use sterile sides of the packaging of other field medical equipment, but if it's crunch time you could use field expedient things like a garbage bag if need be. There are specialty pieces of equipment you can deploy in such an occasion, however. One that comes to mind is the HALO seal, but I'm unfamiliar with it or its correct usage.

t. nursing student/muhreen

I cranked 3 rounds into a sandman in Afghanistan and watched him walk it off. He probably died later but he sure as fuck kept shooting at us.

There's plenty of cases of burglars eating a load of buckshot in the chest and running 2 blocks down the street before they collapse.

Search "Kyle Dinkheller" shooting. You can see the suspect casually take a round in the stomach and shrug it off, barely flinching, and continue to fight for over a minute, brutally murdering the deputy.

Even if you have your entire heart blown out you will continue to be awake for about a minute.

If I recall correctly Baboon Martin (OP pic related) ate a round point blank in the heart and was coherent and clutching his chest for almost a minute and took almost 4 minutes to expire.

So yeah, guns are not some instant death ray like portrayed in the movies. The only way to instakill somebody is to sever the brain stem and that's a very small target.

This is why any competent self defense instructor will tell you to empty your weapon into someone, reload, repeat said process on the motionless body on the floor, and THEN call the police.

id imagine youd be in shock to the point where you wouldnt really be able to think about it.
Kinda like a deer sprinting 100yards after a fatal shot, theyre dead, they just havent realized it yet.

>>34337636
Goddamn

>>34337753
I talked to a Public Defender one time about a guy he defended who shot in self defense during a drug deal. He shot the guys heart with a handgun from point blank and the dude ran for 40 seconds full sprint before collapsing. This is why I carry two back up mags.

>>34337636
Man, as someone who's had a concussion before that sounds way worse than what I went through (football tackled, didn't expect it and landed wrong)

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>>34334651
It would be extremely painful

>>34337753

This, so much this.

Drugs and adrenaline can have uncanny effect.

>>34337753
I heard heart shots can sometimes cause a dramatic enough drop in blood pressure to make you pass out near instantaneously though
Any validity to this?

>>34336678
Had the exact same problem anon.

I couldn't stay awake for the life of me.

>>34337802
>theyre dead, they just havent realized it yet.
I guess I already knew the concept but it sounded surprisingly morbid when you put it that way.

>>34337931
TOP KEK!

>>34337931
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i love banepostan

>>34337974
It's certainly possible, but you have to be aware of other factors affecting bp like adrenaline or drugs, which can make the body still functioning and conscious despite the massive sudden drop.

A guard watching the other way suddenly getting his heart blast out with a rifle would collapse instantly no doubt, but someone with fight or flight response triggered, in the middle of a firefight could probably still stay conscious, move and even shoot back, even moreso due to the sudden OH SHIT shock realization of getting hit in a vital organ, I suppose that would really put the body into overdrive

>>34334651
Well, it's kind of like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldNSMnEeKio&t=276s

>>34337636
Damn, I got done in 2008 with something similar.
Our escort got hit by RPG's and I just remember breaking my own rules of 'don't run around when that kind of shit went down', but I couldn't let those poor bastards in their Humvee get burnt alive.
I got two of them out, my sergeant got one out and I managed to get back, legs, shoulder full of shrapnel. Two holes in my lower back about an inch away from my spine (either of those would have been a wheelchair for life) and a big chunk lodged in my right shoulder that I didn't even feel.
Also Lost about 50% hearing in right ear for my troubles.

Still get the odd sliver of steel or aluminium pop up in various locations, but that was the end of my army career.

>>34337925
The scariest part about it was I wanted to scream for someone to help. I didn't know what happened but I knew who and where I was, and I wanted someone to help. I couldn't understand why someone wasn't helping me. Looking back on it all I was doing was making these low gutteral animal moaning sounds like GGRRRAAAAAGH, OWWWWAAAAHHHHHH, MMMMMMMHH BRAAAHHHH when I was trying to scream complete scentences. I was also told my wrists had to be tied because I was grabbing at the medics

>>34334651
I've worked in a lot of ERs as a tech and now a PA, and as a tech I worked in University of Illinois ED. We pretty much had a fatal GSW, or multiple GSWs a day. People react differently to being fatally shot, but most of the time it depends on the gender and age.

Young men and gangbangers usually regress, and act like children mostly crying for their mothers.

Women suprisingly usually try to bargain with close male family members for the future of their children, and if they don't have children usually they just cry.

Something that has always stuck with me is the first one, a self inflicted gsw that I did chest compressions for what felt like hours. 25 y/o man who stuck a 45 to his temple- he hemmorhaged so much that we used every bit of gauze in the ED resorting to feminine pads to hold in what was left of his brain. The trauma physician walked in took his finger and firmly ran it across the inferior side of his foot- his toes pointed outward in a way that I will never forget (Babinski sign), and he said "keep pushing boy- we need what's left of him."

>>34337917
that is literally impossible

>>34338152
It's literally not. People have taken 25mm autocannon rounds center mass and lived. People have been ripped in half and lived. People have been basically turned into hamburger and lived.

The human body is a retardly hard thing to kill believe it or not, especially instantly. Go lurk some /b/ gore threads.

>>34337636
I remember that anon.

Hey anon if you're out there can you give me a hey and tell us how you're doing?

>>34338144
How was PA school? In a physiology program now, thinking of going PA.

>>34338207
I'm fine buddy. No horrible disfigurement, no physical disability. All one day at a time brother. Still struggle a bit mentally, but nothing to be concerned about. Thanks

>>34337753
>emptying a reloaded magazine into a perp who is motionless on the floor

Sounds like a good way to guarantee going to jail.

>>34338235
It was really intense and rewarding. I couldn't imagine doing anything else.

>>34338144
>ran it across the inferior side of his foot
Not to make light of your good post, but that caught me off guard and cracked me up.

You said young men and women, now I'm curious. How did older men react?

>>34334651
Had gunshot. Felt like a mild punch. Sat there. Flt like falling backwards down a tunnel. Blacked out. Woke up to guy blowing cigarette smoke across my face and a feeling like someone had poured boiling water into my shoulder

>>34334783
your a big guy

>>34334721
Remind me to never get shot in the lungs

>>34338379
I really only remember one older guy who got hit with a stray bulllet during a drive by. He was shot in the liver, the bullet was in and out but the laceration to the liver caused him to go into hypovolemic shock. He was eerily comfortable, and even accepting of his fate when he got to us. I remember before intubation and the sedation drugs were pushed the old man shook the doctor's hand and said thank you.

It seems in most cases people who make it to old age in violent communities are usually decent human beings- unlike most of the younger people who participate in street gangs.

>>34338353
Nice, hopefully all goes well for me. The PAs that I worked with as a medic were all really pleasant and seemed less stressed than the docs. Thats what drew me to it.

>>34334721
That WW1 narrative you mentioned was a one off case in someone's journal, it wasn't a common occurrence. Sure it may have happened more than once but there is only one recorded instance.

>>34334651
It's killer, dude. It'll blow you away. Really a once-in-a-lifetime experience, though - you just don't feel anything after the first time.

>>34336178
no it's not you fucking edgelord

>>34334651

Lack of blood/oxygen slowly shuts things down. It's like a steady fade out except that it's your brain that's fading out so it's not like you can sit there and comprehend it. You're just along for the ride. Pain slips away. If you're on fire it stops burning, because your nerves get burnt and killed though. If your dying of hypothermia you start to feel warm. Drowning, you drift away quickly to unconsciousness. It might actually be euphoric in some instances like blood loss.The worst part by far is if it doesn't happen quickly and you have time to think about what's going on and realizing that you're going to die and that it's all over for you.

After I got out of surgery for my appendix there's a short period of time where the drugs that put you out are still pretty strong and you can't really breathe automatically. You won't die or anything it's just something you have to do consciously. I was hooked up to a thing that beeped once in awhile and whenever it did the nurse would yell at me that I have to remember to breathe. Just before the buzzer went off it felt like I was wrapped in a brand new warm fuzzy blanked fresh out of the dryer with an bright amber glow in front of me. It was super comforting. Not scared at all and I just had the feeling that if I just let myself keep slipping into the glow I'd be cool with it. It was all just oxygen deprivation but it really wasn't that bad. It being so comforting is like the little gift evolution gives us for playing the game of life.

>>34339545
you're a big guy

>>34338028
>I suppose that would really put the body into overdrive
Only psychologically I would think. I'm no expert, but once your heart is gone, you can't really get epinephrine from your adrenaline glands to anywhere else.

>>34334662
I consider doing this desu, seems a bit scary though. Not sure if there's any point or if I should just stick to lucy.

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>>34334651
I was fatally shot a week or two ago. I gotta say, I highly recommend it. Ama.

-T. Skelligton

>>34336678
I've had this quite a few times, it's called sleep paralysis. It's a thing the brain does to 'shut down' the body when you're about to sleep.
Look into lucid dreaming sometime.

>>34338064
did any of these lads that got hit survive?

>>34337162
Different anon, it's not bullshit, enjoy the neat fact. You only need to poke an extra hole if there is already excess air trapped in the chest cavity; it's a treatment for pneumothorax, not the ducking chest wound itself.

>>34338180
There's a video of some gangbanger in Georgia IIRC who gets a mag put in his chest and still gives the cops a run for their money

>>34338379
In medical terms, he just means the bottom of the foot. A positive (present) babinski sign means that the person is gone, the body is technically alive but is a vegetable at best, and the only thing left to do is harvest organs like the doc said.

Isolated from the situation, the action of testing the babinski reflex is kinda funny-looking in and of itself.

>>34339123
I had an old guy from the hood get shot non fatally. He wouldn't quit bitching about us paying more attention to the one who was dying. He also shit himself. But in general you're right about old guys in violent communities

>>34340552
Yeah they're ok- compared to the 2 that died in the initial strikes that seemed to soak up a lot of the blast. No missing limbs, two got medicalled-out of the service and the other fella managed to be surprisingly ok aside from massive concussion. None of them remember a thing so I guess that's an upside.
We still keep in touch with christmas cards and stuff, at some point I'll take the family over to the US to meet them and say gday again.

>>34334651
>What is it like to be fatally shot?

Literally no one alive can answer this question.

>>34338322
Aujourd'hui, j'ai flingé un nègre. Ou peut-être hier, je ne sais pas.

>>34340505
I loved it. It's intense as fuck though, so if you don't think you're ready then prob best. I saw a dude who had a lot of shit weighing on him try it and goddam did it come out. Reminded me of a scene from 'The Exorcist'.

remember what you felt like in the year 1900? You'll feel exactly the same way you did back then. No heaven, no hell, no infinite black abyss- just nothing. Game over.

>>34338443
sounds like you went into shock and passed out. Full story?

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>>34344582
You don't fucking know that. Nobody knows anything

>pic related: its you

>>34338009
I get cold sweats sometimes remembering it.

I used to do Critical Care EMS. I saw a lot of crazy shit, but one job haunts me more than anything else.
There's two kinds of jobs we go to involving trains. Man Under and "Space Case"
You know that little three inch gap between the train and platform? The whole Mind the Gap thing?
Every now and again, a person ends up squeezed between the platform edge and the train. Maybe they were too slow climbing out of the railway, maybe they fell onto the side of the train as it was coming in to the platform...
As much as we dread them, usually our job on space cases and man unders was quick - show up, determine he's as dead as dead gets, and pronounce them - the transit authority and cops handle the rest.
I responded to a space case where the patient had dropped his phone in the track bed and was too slow climbing back out. He was hit by the train and dragged about 30 feet, on his way home from work. I know this because he told me this.
He told me his leg felt funny - it was about 20 feet away. He gave me a nervous chuckle as he told me that his wife wouldn't believe this happened, and told me he wanted to call her as soon as possible. I would have let him if there was service on the platform.
I didn't have it in me to tell him that his fate was sealed.
EMS-fags, you remember the MAST pants they showed you? Remember how they said never to remove them except in a hospital? The same concept applies here. He had a few hundred tons of train applying pressure to his midsection, keeping his blood pressure up and his guts in place. He was already dead, he just didn't know it
I tried to treat him the best I could, but there's simply nothing in this world that would have saved him. The second the fire department pushed the train off him with the pneumatic bags and we pulled him out from the gap, his vital signs dropped like a rock with the train no longer keeping pressure on him, and he coded. Death had caught up to him.

>>34336678
ive had this happen a couple times while driving.
i knew it was happening, i knew how fucking dangerous it was not only for me but the people around me but there was almost nothing i could do. just stuck on the edge of sleep, driving at 80 mph fighting to keep my eyes open.

all the sudden after 4 seconds of being completely asleep i awoke to the sound of a car horn and the view of the car next to me getting slowly closer.

even while trying to fight the sleep and LOSING, the radio was blasting, the window was down and my mind was going 100 mph being frantic. i was totally aware and actively fighting it but i was getting my ass kicked.

strange feeling

>>34338466(You)(You)(You)

>>34334788
>Going into shock
No idea when it comes to gunshot wounds, but I have been in shock before via car accident. Only noticeable symptom was cold. I needed like six fucking blankets in 72 degrees, and for reference I usually sleep in sixty or less if possible. Didn't feel much for awhile either; was mostly pissed I was going to have to walk home. Turns out I actually broke like three bones in my foot and my collar was totally fucked. All in all the shock wasn't bad, what followed it sucked.

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>>34336678
Me too in HS. Had a Chem II class right after lunch, and would be like jerking my head upright when trying to stay awake.

Teacher called parents to ask if there was any chance I was "on drugs". Got taken to doctor and bloodwork showed my glucose levels were all fucked up.

Stopped eating lunch, problem resolved immediately.

Still use it as a lifehack - if I can't sleep, I'll drink a couple of shots of vodka. 30 minutes later, I'm out.

>>34338296

You're a fuckin hero RPG'd anon.

I know it's cliche shit but thanks for your service... also..

>little shrapnel holes the size of sand grains

ow fuck jesus fuck ouch man that sounds like it sucked

>>34340505

I have no idea if I could recommend that someone else do it, but my experience with DMT was definitely interesting. Under no circumstance should you do it alone, or in bad company. I was surrounded by friends and offered some on my birthday. Just a tiny bit on top of some DUDEWEED, holy fuck does it work quickly.

>instantly have visual and audio hallucinations and distortions
>no joke the 'life flashing before your eyes' actually happened
>totally out of body as I stare at a TV my friends are playing vidya on
>about 15 minutes of all the shit above
>realize I can talk again
>they started playing something else while I'm tripping dicks
>incredibly confused for 15 more minutes

Then I was totally fine and have been since.

It was pretty nuts.

>>34336678
I have this all the time too. It's called not getting enough sleep.

damn.....after reading this thread I hope I'll only use guns to punch holes in paper.


Why do they have to make them look so cool and make them so fucking fun to shoot?

>>34345508
>Punch holes in paper
We all hope that anon. God do I hope the shit out of that.

In related posting, does anybody have the story from the guy who got 12 gauged by an ex girlfriend or something and survived?

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>>34345699
Bushwick Bill?

>We all hope that anon.

Nah everyone here has their "I wish a nigga would" fantasies. I'm guilty of it myself. Afterwards the only thing I can think of is how to avoid getting shot by the police and all the legal bullshit I'd have to deal with.

I'd rather just hit up ranges.

>>34337102
>>34337162
It isn't just gunshots, any penetrating trauma to the chest is treated in this manner. It can work if done immediately it can prevent much air from getting in and preventing a pneumothorax (air in the chest cavity outside of the lungs) from developing into a tension pneumothorax (essentially what was previously described: a collapsed lung resulting from penetrating trauma that allows air into the chest cavity. This air pushes on the lung until it deflates and shifts in position preventing both the lung from functioning and putting pressure on the heart and other lung restricting their ability to properly function). The problem with this treatment is two fold
One: it does not address any air that has already made its way into the chest cavity
and
Two: in the case of chest trauma does not prevent a hemothorax (essentially in layman's terms the same condition as a pneumothorax except caused by the presence of blood in the chest cavity instead of air) which is also a potential major concern in any case of penetrating chest trauma.

The first problem can be remedied in the field by way of a needle pleural decompression. What is effectively a very long IV needle is placed into the chest cavity and secured in place which allows any trapped air to be vented from the chest cavity. This is not a long term solution, and the casualty will in almost all cases require a surgical chest tube to be implanted once removed from the field.

For the second problem, there is not a lot that can be done in field to correct the injury. While it should still be covered with either ideally a chest seal or lacking that an occlusive dressing, nothing short of timely surgical intervention and the placement of a chest tube will save that patient.

>>34334651
Let me tell you the story of how an islamic State fighter renounced his religion for Christianity, from his POV.
>be fighting for allah
>commander decides to attack a YPG stronghold in the name of allah
>we get repelled within hours, but i got shot in tge chest 3 times and once in the neck
>upon our retreat, we scramble to every which way
>i'm with 3 other guys when i collapse after running for what seemed like forever, in the middle of nowhere
>my buddies leave me to die
>I'm lying there, starring into darkness, when i feel this intense pain rush over me, over and over again
>untill finally, tge pain sudsides, but turns into dispair and hurting, in my heart
>i could feel my wounds bleeding out, i could feel the blood as it gushed from my Jugular
>but as i slipped into a dull void, i heard a grimace voice call my name
>i looked out into the darkness, and i could see a shodow darker than the darkness slowley creeping towards me
>i new it was the devil himself
>i tried to swim away, as it was tge only thing i could think to do
>i tried and tried, but after an eternity of trying, he grasped my foot
>then i saw a light, and tge sweetest voice i have ever heard call to me
>"Son, cry out to me to save you, and i shall."
>so i cried out "God, please forgive me, and save me from thia wretched place"
>and the light came closer and closer
>after awhile, i aaw a figure. As i got closer and closer, i saw Jesus standing before me
>he grabbed my hand and said "you're free now, go and tell everyone you meet"
>i awoke in a Turkish hospitol 200 miles from where i was found
>a roving Christain merchant family found me and took my to a hospitol, where i was airlifted to Turkey to receive treatment
Thats what it feels like. Pain, intense pain. Then gut wrenching darkness consuming your soul, if you dont beleive in Christ.

>>34345306
>didn't even break thru
Pussy ass faggot bitch
Nah jk, glad you enjoyed

>>34345045
electrical lineman here, When drivers wrap their cars around our utility poles we are usually the first on the scene, as our equipment lets us know instantly.

I was responding to a struck pole in SE DC, where a young black male slid his crown vic into the pole at high speed, and cracked the pole in half, downing some of the phase wires. The car was fucking balled up around the base of the pole, but the dude was still alive inside. The firemen and EMTs wont touch the scene until we kill the power, so we had to go up in our bucket over the wreck to do this, all the while the guy is screaming for us to save him. He kept yelling please dont let me die, please done let me die. Once they used their hydraulic thingy to open the wreck up the screams stopped instantly...

>>34347300
Crush syndrome is almost worse.

>dude was building a stone wall in his backyard by himself
>part of it crumbles, traps his legs
>he's stuck there for a few hours until the wife gets home
>paramedics arrive, determine he's been stuck for too long to just 'pull'
>tourniquet the legs, remove stones, package and transport
>wife asks why we couldn't have knocked the stones off
>"ma'am, your husband would have died if we did that."
>so the doctors cut off his legs to save his life

I mean...he's alive, but he can't do anything like he used to.

>>34348191
Fuck man, that reminds me of a video I saw, of a New York cop. He was in a Taxi cab, talking about people who died from falling between a passing subway car and the platform. What happens is, the train coming by spins you around and around, but most of the time, the victim is okay. They're awake, they're breathing, you can talk to them, and they're trying to push themselves out.

Then you gotta tell them, despite the fact that they feel perfectly fine, when they push the train off of you and pull you out, you're gonna die. Cause the train spins your torso around so much, that it literally sevres your upper and lower body, and you don't feel it cause your spine is broken, but your balls are probably facing the wrong way. There is no way to save you, even if they had the best trauma doctors in the nation right there, they can't save you.

So basically, they'll give the guy 20 minutes or so to call whoever he needs to, or to get a priest down there, whatever they can do. They often would get someone's wife, drive them out to the station, and let them have a private moment to say goodbye.

>>34348293
Woop, found it.

https://youtu.be/KnED-lQedjo?t=1m57s

>>34345045
EMS anon, if you're lurking the thread, check
>>34348308

>>34348293
That's gotta be a terrible way to go.

I mean, you might get to tell everyone you love them and goodbye, but they also get to talk to you with you being totally aware and awake. Its like if you were at home and your wife/husband walked in, told you hey baby, I'm going to die, then flopped onto the floor and croaked. It takes all the reality of death out of it.

>>34334651
I've been shot to death a few times and let me tell you, it's not a whole lot of fun

>>34337353
Terrifying
I worry about that whenever i go under

>>34348360
That video strikes close to home.

>>34334663
I've got a package for a mister Edd G.

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>>34340505
LSD is stronger then DMT if you want to count time÷high. DMT is intense but its over quickly. I smoked it out of a weird pipe in a chamber under a bowl stuffed with weed and got Really fucking blitzed after 3 hits (i grow and at the time i had such a huge tolerance bud barely gave me more then a stimulating buzz, i can't smoke anymore because i got hypoglycemia from cortisol damage and liver/pancreatic damage from alchol and it's withdrawls)
It's alot more bliss when it comes to the afterglow
As far as nearly dying goes. I had alcohol withdrawls after 1 year and 4 months of drinking a pint and 80oz. Of alcohol everyday drinking with a cute latina co-worker/fuck buddy (girl). I'd buy my own and she would buy her own. We would buy some food, drink, and fuck frequently and everyday for the last 6 months. She got a boyfriend and i had no one to drink with so i ended up quiting cold turkey. 24 hours later i was hit with alcohol withdrawls so bad that they literally almost killed me! Ended up having a seizure at 2:00 am on feb 24.(I remembered because it scared me so bad i didn't sleep for 16 hours on top of the 18 hours i was because insomnia)
I was sitting on my bed on my phone. Next thing i know i was have a trippy felling (i was talking to a voice saying im not done yet surrounded by white and a figure of a person gave me a thumbs up)
I came too on my back unable to move, completely felling paralized, when i tried to open my eyes all i could see was white and they twitched back close immediate which made my vision flicker from a blurry white to black. I used everybit of willpower i had to pull myself up and barely sat up opening my eyes and came too vision restored and freaked the fuck out.
Im not religious but since then i always wonderd if it was a god/angel or my mind playing tricks on me. 4 months clean from alchol and 2 months from cannabis now, never looked at life the same again. But it felt COMPLETELY different then my DMT/LSD/shroom experiences!

>>34334651
If you get shot in the head, probably lights out. Or at least not much pain

Anywhere else will be very painful and there will be lots of blood.

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>>34338152
I've seen it happen.

>>34338322
Actually, no. I've seen the two ends of the spectrum. I've personally seen people get shot twice with .40 in the chest and simply immediately collapse to death, while i've also seen two or three cases where robbers got shot 18, 20 times with .380 ACP and kept fighting back, besides having perforated lungs, heart, lodged projectiles in the spine and face.

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>>34334651
Ever been put in a rear naked choke? When properly applied blood and oxygen immediately stop flowing to the brain. Unconsciousness is near instantaneous. It starts with a hazy blackness around the edges and grows into tunnel vision. Then daylight is a faint glow straight ahead, and nothing. You're asleep. All of this happens in a second. Now imagine it's not someone pinching your carotid but a bullet that sliced it open. Same with a dead-on heart shot. Actually that would probably cause hydrostatic shock and black you out even quicker. Winging the heart and taking out a ventricle or whatever would take longer, but symptoms would be the same.

You will not notice a brain shot. I have witnessed this. You immediately become a meat sack.

A shot in the lungs or pleural space would cause similar symptoms, but they would take a little longer to manifest; as blood on its way to the brain is already oxygenated, removing the blood pump drops the pressure to zero and causes unconsciousness quickly. In a thorax wound you will either drown in your own fluids or overpressure will leave you unable to respire, dropping the oxygen in your blood until suffocation.

>>34349116
>can't smoke anymore because i got hypoglycemia from cortisol damage and liver/pancreatic damage from alchol and it's withdrawls)

Wait, what caused what?

>>34348308
>>34348293
I'm so happy I don't live where there are subways.

>I live in the middle of cartel land instead
>I don't know why I feel that this is better

>>34334651
What if it feels just like being really tired? Like, not the pain of actually getting shit, but actually dying from it. What if it feels like when you're tired and are nodding off, but you know you shouldn't, but it feels good when you close your eyes? I don't know how to put it into words, but I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. What if it actually feels good, just like sleeping, when you slip into death?

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>>34349231
Probably because you're not a cop in Cartel land.

There's no such thing as the paranoia that someone could ambush you 24/7. It's actually worse off-duty than during your duty. Sometimes you feel simply naked without a rifle and a chest plate, or that everyone is watching the imprint of your handgun over your shirt.

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>this fucking thread

>>34349254
That...yeah, that's pretty true. I'm not in law enforcement, and don't envy their positions. EMS training right now. I actually take my exam in two weeks.

>>34349237
You're describing what extreme hypothermia survivors describe.

>>34334721
>>34338484
Can do.
Been lung shot before, I would rather be drowned than be lung shot again.
-100/10 would not recommend
Source of lung shot: Spent from 71-77 in Jewyork and got robbed at gun point.
The robber decided me being flat broke with nothing in my wallet but my ID and a stick of gum was cause to shoot me.
Source on drowning: Grew up in an orphanage, aside from father fiddler, the sisters would hold the Disobedient/overactive kids under water till the bubbles stopped. I learned my lesson the first and only time it happened, a number of others weren't as smart/lucky and wound up with permanent brain damage. You can probably find the lawsuit if you look hard enough.

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>>34349264
Over here, you'll get some serious death threats from the cartel members in case you don't "save them". This is quite common. Most cases they don't even have a clue on how serious the wounds are.

Story time, i'll make it short. Three guys robbed a pharmacy, got into a car and ended up in our roadblock. We had not clue, and normally, got them out to search themselves and their car, and one of them was not cooperating (didn't want to be searched, refused to let us lift his hoodie up). Now, mind you, this happens in a split second - he got his right hand to his back and immediately shot from retention into the vest and arms of the nearest officer.

Now, this is what made me not believe in stopping power. First .40 round landed squarely in his chest, perforated his sternum and stayed there. Second round hit him it his side, entered between the ribs, through his lung, and exited in the ground with dust and a large spark in the asphalt, which made me thought it had missed. He kept running and was shot some six or so more times until he fell on his own back and sat down, with his arms crossed between his legs, still holding down a revolver. He dropped it, fell to his side and kept talking with us, asking us to "help him out", that he was in pain, still pretty much oblivous to having some ten or so chest cavities. Pretty much coherent. Ambulance took some 15 or 20 minutes to get there, and he was barely conscious. Died next morning from multiple organ failure. If he had training or will, he could've easily mortally injured both of us.

>>34349301
details serpico, I need details

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>>34349329
Jesus.

Well, do you get to keep any of the guns? Anything that they won't mind missing?

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>>34349351
There's a whole bureaucratic process behind it. Most times muggers carry some Rossi or Taurus - Khyber-pass like .38 SPL or .32 S&W revolvers that you couldn't discharge without blowing a finger off.

However, the Cartel is getting more and more rich, and acquiring some high-end weapons. This week, a fellow officer from my state was shot dead - and the used gun was a Beretta 92FS. What we usually see, are several Jerichos, Glocks, Bul Cherokees, and everything in 9mm. Some times, we find ARs and AKs too, but rarely here. They're more common in other states. Those guns are aprehended, spend some time under forensic analysis and then can be incorporated into our armory if they pass our tests and requirements.

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>>34349301

jesus dude

>>34349332
On the drowning, not as bad as most people think.
Is it terrifying yes, but the pain is actually not all that terrible.
Have you ever held your breath for as long as possible and then gone a bit further?
Take that pain and crank it up another 50%.
When you reach this point you will be almost passing out and then you will breath underwater,
this is extremely uncomfortable and weird, almost and out of body experience. That's where I passed out.
This is hard to explain, but the worst part was not the pain but the uncomfortableness of it, if that makes sense.
You know your drowning but there is nothing you can do about it, you struggle but your mind knows it is going.
It is a hell of a mind fuck.

As for the chest shot, take the uncomfortably and pain of drowning, have it be on land which adds to the mind fuck of it.
Then add what feels like a red hot piece of rebar in your chest slowly cooling as you start to get colder.
Add to that you are still getting enough oxygen to not pass out right away and your body is in full scale panic mode.
It is just fucking terrible.

>>34349184
>I've seen the two ends of the spectrum.
Same, seen people just eat a 9mm at close range to the chest and just drop like a rock.
The way... way end of the scale was the guys in Afghan that would get loaded up on meth to the point they're higher than elephant pussy. They don't feel anything and seen one guy (told this story months ago here) where he took multiple rounds to the chest and guts from 556, then ran half a click down the side of a mountain before he just ran out of oxygen/blood and keeled over.
Spooked the shit out of us and I tell you what, not freaked out by much. Thank god they where not hugely common.

>>34349301
>the sisters would hold the Disobedient/overactive kids under water till the bubbles stopped.
My dad went to a catholic primary school and he remembers them being devils as well. Not to the point they waterboarded kids, but they where pretty handy with an inch thick piece of dowel rod and used to flog the living shit out of them for any kind of slight infraction.
Nothing like a wrap around the backside and thighs for being naughty, they'd literally bash the shit out kids to the point they nearly passed out.

>>34349384
Something that I learned recently....you can breathe some fluids, and they have been used in tortures.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_breathing

>>34349390
yup, and to think after all that shit I still almost ended up attending seminary.
Religion is a hell of a drug.

>>34349400
Huh, neat I guess?

>>34334721
It's also possible you don't feel a thing from any shot where you would be dead in minutes, adrenaline is a hell of a drug

>>34349403
>Religion is a hell of a drug.
Yeah, it can make people do the damnedest things :)
I went to a conservative boarding school which was pretty rife with bastardry, beatings and other fuckery. That was tough times there, though if anything I picked up a great left hook, fast feet and a diploma in advanced beatings

>>34349428
Lol, I have 3 Phd's one in physics, one in Law, and one in Fighting. That is the only useful thing that came from it.

no idea. But two of my drunk dumbass friends were involved in a bad ND 3 weeks ago. Buddy shot my other buddy in the arm with a .38. Hit his elbow. Buddy says it felt like someone laid his arm on a concrete slab, then took a sledgehammer to his elbow.

>>34349457
Alcohol and guns rarely mix well. I think they learned that one.

>>34345211

Alcohol fucks with your deeper sleep tho

>>34349564
I can't sleep at all unless totally sober. Kind of annoying, but it means I won't get in the habit, so I'm not complaining

>>34349449
>one in physics, one in Law,
Damn, that's an odd combo. I'm an engineer/ex-military and my dear wife being the (far) smarter of us is the lawyer.

>>34345211
Huh, I had similar issues but never got a diagnosis. I grew out of it by college, but still have a thing where I can pretty much knock myself out within 30min with the caffeine in two cups of coffee.

>>34349692
I had something similar in high school, but it turned out to be mono. Fuck all knows how I got it, I'm a no hand hold virgin at 21, but the blood work said it was there, and low and behold I got better

>>34347300
>>34348191
I understand neither of those stories ...

did the young man in the car die once they opened the car up? Or did he just stop screaming because the pain stopped? Or did he just pass out?

And the guy trapped under the fallen wall - did they have to amputate his legs right here on the spot to get him out, before removing the stones? or did they just tourniquet his legs, then cut the off in the hospital?

probably feels like dying

>>34350170
Doc here. They'd cut them off in the hospital. If they didn't tourniquet them before hand, the acidosis from the non-perfused legs getting their circulation back could kill the guy, not to mention thrash his kidneys (rhabdomyolysis). Even if they tried saving the legs he'd need fasciotomies and the chance of success would be low

>>34349329
That is not so unbelivable. If you read up on the fights between US patrols and muslim juramentados in the Philippines around the beginning of the 20th century (Vic Hurley: "Jungle Patrol" and "Swish of the Kris") there are cases of fighters who singlehandedly assaulted whole companies of US soldiers across 50 yards or so of clear field, received half a dozen Krag rifle bullets in the chest and a few hits from a 1911 in the face and chest and STILL managed to kill an American soldier and slash to ribbons a few more with their krises or barongs.

>>34350170
See:
>>34348308
>>34348293


The train, or car wreckage, wall, etc, is actually holding your body together, compressing your injuries and keeping your guts relatively in place. You wont be able to feel the extent that you are injured, you wont know that you are broken beyond repair.

The moment the firefighters remove the wreckage or whatever, your body parts fall out and your blood pressure drops like a rock. Thus, you die. It is, absolutely horrifying. I will never forget it for the rest of my life.

Everybody wants to do these cool jobs, military, firefighters, etc, but most dont realize the extent that this shit will effect your mind, man. I wish I could go back in time and just be a gym teacher like everyone said I would be.

>>34337753
>Even if you have your entire heart blown out you will continue to be awake for about a minute.

I like your account, stranger, but my knowledge of physiology leads me to believe the particular line quoted above is not quite true.

The brain consumes vast amounts of energy every second, which it is supplied with via blood. Remove the blood supply and what you get is about fifteen seconds before your shit blinks out forever.

>>34334703
I doubt pain would have time to register from a fatal brain shot

>>34349608
My life has been interesting to say the least, first got my Phd in physics, and taught for a while. In the 70s those jobs had all but disappeared,and I wanted a better paying job. So I went back to school to get my phd in law. Finished that and became a patent attorney though I also did plenty of litigation.

>>34334651

>MFW grew up in a shithole part of town
>Eses and apes always going at it
>one day walking home from school with Latina gf at the time
>see random black dude hopping through fences and saying prayers
>"WHERE YOU GOING BITCH ASS MAYATE??"
>"BITCH ASS WET-"
>BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG
>drop to floor with GF covering her
>nigga goes down
>Ese kicks nigga in the balls and runs into a nearby alley
>so used to seeing drive bus and dead bodies
>walk over to the dying negroid
>he's been hit all over his chest
>making a weezing noise while his eyes water up
>keeps trying to take a deep breath but the wheeze starts to get wet and like he's hocking Spit
>his eyes roll back and red foam starts emptying his mouth and he convulses
>about 7 seconds later he completely stopped moving
>"I wonder who he was?"
>MFW we poked him with a stick a couple times to see if he'd wake up
>paramedics didn't arrive for 30 minutes

The look on his face looked to me was regret and failure

>>34350697
Not to sound too like a /b/tard, but did you ever consider looting the body for anything?

I've always considered the situation akin to "he won't need it, and the universe apparently wanted me to have first dibs."

>>34350851
>real life is an rpg

>>34350861
It kinda is, you just get one shot, no discernment of any BBEG, and almost true ambivalence of the universe to your actions. The only things you need to worry about are the laws of man.

>>34350878
I think then that I must have point all my points into int and luck then, I have always been at the right place at the right time. Was at the march on washington, Watched apollo 11 from cape canaveral. Did not have charisma though, but hey luck is better than charisma.

>>34350878
>how to spend the rest of your life in jail

Summer is here for sure.

>>34351183
Confirmed, Int, Lck, Cha most important traits.

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>>34337162

>Isn't a sucking chest wound treated by stabbing another hole in the lung or something?

Both are right.

There are 2 types of pneumothorax. Open pneumo (like from a gunshot wound) and closed pneumo (normally from massive blunt force trauma or pressure waves from explosives.

You treat an open pneumo like the other anon and my pic show.

You treat a closed pneumo by puncturing at the 4th intercostal space (specifically NOT the lung -- you're trying to make a hole into the dead space around the lung) with a needle that has a one-way valve on it.

Both are treated the same way (putting a one-way valve over a hole into the space around the lungs), but they're done differently to treat different types of pneumothorax.

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>>34334721
reading this is a helluva way to start my day

>>34336678
>I almost wrecked a few times
your fellow motorists appreciate your reckless disregard for their safety

>>34351587
Not him but what if I told you that actual Narcoleptics are allowed to drive and their crash statistics are no different from regular drivers.

>>34350222
I heard that in a case of facing a rapidly advancing bullet sponge you should aim for the dick area so the bullet hits and breaks the pelvis; allegedly makes them drop real fast.

>>34351871
or you know, pop their melon.

>>34344859
>sounds like you went into shock and passed out. Full story?

I have a lot of pain and get frozen shoulder. At the time I got back in the fight after dressing but was pretty useless. Already had torn up behind right knee from a mine that hopped on a guy behind me a few week earlier. finally took a ricochet to lower arm and it fractured and blast burn to right and left hand removing flesh badly shattered right wrist. Position fell and was stretchered out hidden in refugees after position fell. Now - physical and mental wreck famalam. over 25 yeas ago now. Bad frozen shoulders, pain, trouble walking, bits of shit coming out via lumps on back of my neck. Hand shakes, wrist is deformed but works. Rare bad nightmares, regular panic attacks. Loads of black floaters in left eye, dead nerve in left side of face. Some problems with anger.

No health insurance. No VA for me either (euro). Was spontaneously offered pension of about 10 bucks a month 10 years or so ago.. Declined it in disgust. Offered work doing demining, declined it. Truth is being a vet of any way kinda sucks I think if you were in the fight. Found I was actually listed MIA on memorial about two years ago. Can't be bothered to correct it.

>>34334743
>>34334786
???????????

>>34334721
>Overall op it hurts allot.

This. Pour boiling water on yourself. Now imagine someone injecting it into you.

>>34336678
you shouldn't have had a fucking driver's license

>>34356376
9/10

>>34342348
Maybe a defibrillator? Or am I stupid for thinking that's a "revive" tool for gunshots?

>>34336678
>I imagine bleeding out would feel a lot like this

It's not. I have seen someone bleed out and the convulsions seemed like they would break his spine while he made a noise like someone trying to puke their asshole out. No romantic going pale and asking for mama. Its a bad way to go. Only half/alright way to go is doped up/OD opiates from what I've seen but you only get that if you are fucked anyway.

>>34349301
Whoa

Nasty thread. But that's dying violently for ya. I fucking hate Hollywood for always trying to make it look peaceful or profound. Its not. It's ugly.

>>34356460
explain pls

>>34348293
Is it possible to, as ghoulish as it sounds, put them into a coma and sever their body from the train? I mean people survived being sliced in half, at least for a short while. If you can knock'em out and get them to a hospital STAT, you might be able to save them.

>>34349390

I remember hearing a story from a grunt in fallujah where they were coming up against insurgents high as a fucking kite on speed. They all knew they were already dead so they got drugged up so they could fight like superman and not feel any fear or pain.

Anyways story goes that they caught one in the open attempting to cross a street. Someone hits him with a burst from a 249 and the guy goes down like a sack of bricks. Totally limp because apparently it was a clean spine shot. Hadji wasnt done though. The fucker started trying to pull himself forward by biting down on the pavement with his upper teeth and dragging the rest of his deadweight body that way.

Meth is one hell of a drug.

>>34356478
Defibrillators are only useful for stopping irregular heartbeat in the hopes the heart will restart itself correctly. They can't start up a heartbeat that's already stopped.

>>34334651
I've heard it's like tying to eat a whole bag of skittles in one go.

>>34351419

Man thats gotta suck. Think you are down and safe in the dirt and some nip sniper puts a round through your skull with total ease.

>>34356729
imagine you're a garbage bag that has been sealed

now imagine the garbage bag has been cut in half completely, but the end is is crimped so the garbage isnt falling out
thats basically what is happening to the people under trains
you would have to somehow seal them up, then remove the train and hope they dont die
even then, depending on how fucked up they are, they'll still likely die anyways

>>34351587
>>34356448

Yeah, it's totally my fault that I struggled with this thing I didn't ask for and wasn't predictable for six years. My bad

Do you also ask people in wheelchairs to apologize to you for not being able to park closer to the entrance of the Wal Mart?

The doctor I went to who couldn't solve my problem, but I guess that's my fault too

You're totally a better person than me though, harder working and with better health, and surely much nicer to be around

>>34353851

Easier said than done, which is why you aim center of mass in the first place. When that is obviously not working, a hip shot will take anybody down no matter how hopped up on bath salts they are. They will still probably be coming at you, except they will no longer be able to stand.

>>34356942
I think they meant that since it's a known disease that you can't control, you shouldn't be allowed to have a driver's license due to the risk that you pose to yourself and others. People with poor eyesight cannot have driver's licenses either since they might not be able to read signs or identify hazards on the road.

>>34356976

It didn't start till about 3 years after I had my driver's license. And it happened infrequently, not every day

>>34334651
it hurts a little

>>34334651
remember how the sopranos ended?...like that..they say you never actually hear the shot that gets you

True story

Guy gets arm severed by shrapnel. Pick up arm and WALKS 2k.

>>34336900
Fuck.....

>>34356355
What war were you in, anon?

>>34356876
>Meth is one hell of a drug.

The jihad pills of choice seemed to be Captogen, which is another spicy variety of former pharmaceutical which is really popular all through the middle east and sub-continent region. Then usually they're rolling on a bit of the old hashish as well- doesn't make them particularly smart or a good shot, but they where not normally a genius or marksman anyway :)

>>34356976
yes, thank you. i'm glad that you didn't almost kill people's loved ones every day, at least, sleepy anon. since you never knew when it was going to happen. good on you.

>>34334651
I miss trayvon edits

>>34350861
>14 Gold
>2 Food Stamps
>(2) 40 Oz Potions of Inebriation
>(1) Non-functional Brass Wristwatch
>(1) Hi-Point 9mm [21% Durability]
>(9) .380 ACP Catridges
>(1) Bag of Pot
>-10 Relation with Faction: Westside

>>34356543
Death in general is an ugly thing. There is nothing beautiful that can come from death.

>>34357105
judging by him being a euro and the given timeframe it's likely the serbian war, soviet involvement in afghanistan or the fucklands war
could be an obscure civil war too
godspeed kebab remover

>>34350697
>>The look on his face looked to me was regret and failure

>Face of regret

Because of his life choices clearly

>Face of failure

because black lives matter will never care about some dying groid who died some 10-15 years ago in the streets to a Mexican who they favor and protect and will be the majority and they will always be the minority, so they become their pets and little slaves because they hide behind

>"We're both brown and slaves to the white man we need to unite!"

That is where his race fails.

>>34356629
google it

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>>34348293
Here's a webm of a guy getting spun by a train. I've seen two other webms where the same thing happens.

>>34356478
Defibrillators are used when the heart is in atrial or ventricular fibrillation, and preferably the latter. Essentially, the heart is contracting at hyper speeds and with little/no coordination. It isn't like the movies where the dude is already gone and in full cardiac arrest, as >>34356900 explains.