These are shipping. Anyone here have one yet, or has seen

>>34331736
Idk but I want to put one on an FN P90 or F2000

>>34331755
>FN P90
no you don't. Sight axis is far too high.

>>34331736
jesus... wha... what is that..?

>>34331793
I said back the fuck off?!?!

>>34331797
Vortex wants to take over the holographic sight market.

>>34331755
I don't think it would work too well on a P90.

>>34331793
>>34331970
On second thought u right

>>34331736
I was thinking about getting one for precision shooting. Does anyone know the MOA?

>>34332025
1 MOA dot in a 68 MOA circle. Pretty much identical to the EOTech reticle, except this one has a bottom triangle to compensate for height over bore at close range.

>>34331809
They have my boner by the balls, is it any good?

>>34332058
I don't know, retailers started shipping them out this week. I figured someone on here might have had one come in.

>>34331736
>$500
Just save for a EOTech, but if you're going for aesthetics go for it.

>>34332099
>spend 450 on a known bad optic instead of considering something that might be good.

>>34331736

It's sexy as hell, if only it weren't so dang big

>>34332107
>known bad optic

ARG and Arfcom are not places for sound advice on anything gun related

or anything at all

>>34332132
Yea, has nothing to do with the giant lawsuit.

>>34332099
There's little doubt Vortex analyzed every small detail good/bad about Eotechs and made this one to pwn them in every way.

>>34332205
Watch it suck

>>34332136
Maybe if you knew why they were being sued you wouldn't spread dumb shit. I don't even like EOTech but that doesn't make them "shitty".

>>34332136
do you even know what the fucking lawsuit was about, retard?

they claimed to have zero thermal drift in their optics, however when heated above 120 C or cooled below -30 C, they experienced thermal drift

Unless youre submerging your eotech in -50C methylbutane or leaving it in an oven eotechs are great optics.

>>34332099
If EOTech figures out their shit and fixes the MOA shift then maybe id get an EOTech but as of now I'd go for the Vortex. Also their lifetime warranty is great.

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>>34332878
because you're definitely pushing your optic in 150 degree heat to the point where thermal drift becomes an issue

>>34332804
>>34332841
They're being sued because their sights weren't even properly environmentally sealed on top of the zero shift/temperature related issues.

>>34332892
You've never traveled in a hot car, have you?

>>34332892
I think a lot of the issues came from quick changes in temperature too. Like The dot would shift when you get out of your warm car and go shooting while it's cold and snowy, which is something I do a lot during the winter

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>>34332841
> Beginning around 32 degrees Fahrenheit, the sights’ aiming dot became significantly distorted, affecting the accuracy of the sight and worsening as the temperature approached -40 degrees. At sub-zero temperatures, the distortion of the aiming dot affected the accuracy of the sights by more than 20 inches for every 100 yards.

http://www.eotechlawsuit.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/EoTechLawsuit.pdf

>>34332841
>>34333363
>As explained below, the sights failed to maintain zero (or point of aim) over the temperature range specified, and they suffered from severe parallax error at around 30 degrees Fahrenheit, affecting the accuracy by 12 inches for every 100 yards. The sights performed even worse at colder temperatures. In short, the sights deviated from their specification by approximately 70 degrees.

>>34332878
They did.

I talked to some guys at opticsplanet about it, and the new 2017 Eotechs have different circuitry to bring Eotech in line with other competitor models.

Just be sure that your eotech has the new branding on the side. Also, don't get the opmod stuff because it's 2016 manufacture.

>>34331736
>$500 for a vortex
Why not just buy an MRO or T-1?

>>34333426
Same reason people always got eotechs.

Big window and circle dot reticle.

>>34333458
What a meme

>>34333473
Everything is a meme.

It's all just red lights in tubes.

You're probably not going to die because you got an eotech instead of an MRO.

So stop freaking out about what sight people use and start freaking out about whether or not you know how to apply chest seals.

>>34331736

Im buying my first AR in a couple weeks and plan on getting one of these sights, I will report back with my findings

>>34332099
>save for something heavily dumped on the secondary market

>>34333662
Secondaries are gonna be the older ones that don't have any fixes.

>>34333426
T-1 is old, first of all, so why would anyone get a T-1? Never mind that it's more expensive and still requires a mount. MRO is slightly magnified which is annoying as fuck. If it wasn't for that it could be an option.

Both of these are plain old red dots which some people don't like. There's definitely appeal in the EOTech style reticle.

>>34333390
>They did
I've never seen anything mentioning EOTech attenuating the thermal drift. All the other fixes have been in place since 2014 at the latest, according to their press release. If the thermal drift concerns you, I would still not buy an EOTech sight.

>>34333921
>T-1 is old
Not an argument

>>34333994
Whatever, bud.

and again europe doesn't get shit from Vortex

business as usual

>>34334089
I thought you couldn't own anything but bolt actions after that thing in 1996.

>>34334110
I can own more things than the typican Jew Yorker

>>34334124
I'd be careful with that talk, Hitlerlander.

>>34333971
They are still trying to patch up their brand from that whole affair.

New fixes have been put in, and they have been talking about them on showfloors, but I think they're trying to just sweep the whole thing under the rug at this point. And I can't say I blame em.

>>34331798
I laughed

>>34334146
I'm genuinely surprised L-3 hasn't liquidated EOTech. Maybe they have a plan.

>>34334176
I have a feeling that if they didn't figure something out, they probably would be gone by now.

If vortex stands out in quality, we'll be blessed with improve or die. Just a pity that the vortex is ugly as sin.

>>34332107
>>34332878

>/k/tards repeating things they read on the internet

>>34334241
Why are there so many here pushing EOTechs so hard? It's almost Aimpoint level, at this point.

>>34332892
Nigger I live in Arizona you know the Devils asshole.
We experience that shit daily for six months of the year.

>>34334244
I think the question you need to be asking is-
>Why are there so many people here bashing EOTechs so hard?

I'd bet money that 90% of people who've posted about the "Eotech thermal drift" meme on here
1. Don't own an EOTech
2. Never have fired a rifle with an EOTech
3. Never have experienced issues with thermal drift

The whole thing is internet bandwagon hopping at its finest. Someone reads something and repeats it as if they know anything about what they're talking about. You keyboard gun experts are hilarious sometimes, I need to just remember that the average age on this board is a majority >18.

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I decided to get this optic for its top tier aesthetic similarity to the Cobra Assault Cannon

>>34333363
>Beginning around 32 degrees Fahrenheit
>affected the accuracy of the sights by more than 20 inches for every 100 yards.
The fact people still defend L3 and the Eotech line for this kind of flagrant asshattery astounds me. It's a cult at this point, and I wholeheartedly wish Vortex all the best in usurping this faggotry and punting it into the trashbin where it belongs.

>>34332099
>>34332132
>>34332804
>>34332841
>>34332892
>>34334241
>>34334322
You EOTech shills need to shut the fuck up. >>34333363 >>34333378 cover the problem quite nicely, but I want you to understand something right now: 32F is 0C, if it starts there it means that at least half of the year I can't use my EOTech at all. (thank fuck I didn't buy it and got it as a gift lmao)

Yeah, the thermal drift does exist, I know that for a fucking fact. See, when I tried it out for the first time I knew something was up when I was going to go shoot a snowman and the dot was obviously not where it was supposed to be. I looked online, saw the lawsuit, took that piece of shit off my rifle ASAP since that's also my HD/farm gun.

Suck my ass if you don't like it.

>>34334124
Not for long, apparently. Rev up those mandatory buybacks once the EU figures out what they fuck they're going to do about the countries that have enough balls to tell them to fuck off and take the refugees with them.

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>>34337240
>he lives somewhere it actually gets that cold

Snow is awful I would just kill myself t b h

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>>34337512
The only thing that might've been good about your state is a mutation in the local gator population that turns them into hot scaly babes, but that hasn't happened. All you have to offer the rest of us is oranges and meth.

>>34337240
You are completely full of shit and I'll tell you why. The proof is the fact that until this whole "thermal drift apocalypse" happened, no one ever heard of it. That includes people like me that ring steel at 300 yards in 110 degree weather and retards like you that go play outdoors in winter.

If this was such a big deal we would have heard about it before this recent internet memestorm. EOTechs have been around for years and functioned in all climates and it's literally never been a problem until you read a post on ar15.com and now it's a BIG FUCKING DEAL. I've been posting on probably half a dozen boards for 15 years and I've never read about issues with thermal drift from EOTechs. I own 3 different models, 1 of them I've had for probably close to 10 years, and I've never experienced drift issues in any climate. No one I've ever shot with that owns them has complained about it not holding zero.

Fuck off with your bandwagon hopping internet faggotry.

>>34337785
>The proof is the fact that until this whole "thermal drift apocalypse" happened, no one ever heard of it.
Can you prove this?

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>>34337785
>THE PROOBF IS...
>i dint hear bout it so it dint habben :DDDD
>eben :DDDDD
No, YOU'RE full of shit and you know it.

>we would have heard about it before
Or maybe people have been complaining for years and you faggots have been crying foul the whole time, difference is finally somebody decided to drop a lawsuit. I don't know. All I know is mine did exactly what the lawsuit says.
>I own 3 different models
Good for you. My one somehow magically went from being on the forward post to the blade in -27F weather.
>I've never experienced drift issues
Yeah, I bet you haven't.
>in any climate.
Different indoor ranges don't count as different climates.
>No one I've ever shot with
Well of course all your shill buddies are all going to agree that EOTech™ brand EOTech™ sight is a gift directly from God himself.

Also honorable mention for priceless retard moment:
>That includes people like me that ring steel at 300 yards in 110 degree weather and retards like you that go play outdoors in winter.
Oh, you mean real work that's in the scary icky outside place on the poopoo stinky moo farm?

That's about four grand ($4000) walking around on four hooves, some of them are worth less, but I have a few who have champion titties and make a good amount of money. About that, they're not just mine, I have two other people who put up capital to pay for the herd, so it's very important I'm able to defend said walking moneybags from whatever that comes along. Which means fast, zero bullshit snap shots sometimes because I'm shooting at wildlife that's going to run off as soon as I drive up. I'm shooting to kill.

I won't jeopardize tens of thousands of dollars because your feelings are hurt you dumb fucking faggot. EOTech garbage stays off the rifle.

>>34334130

This isn't Reddit. Your wife's son has no power here

>>34337785
>you're wrong because anecdotal evidence
don't do this, especially when there's a fuckhuge lawsuit settlement and a catastrophic universal no-question total refund out there that does absolutely nothing to dispel the claims of said lawsuit

Verdict is, it's shit. If you turn the brightness up too high it causes multiple reticles to show up and it's not forgiving. Adjust it for a bright outdoor setting and it'll start giving you multiple reticles if a cloud passes by.

>>34333363
>At sub-zero temperatures, the distortion of the aiming dot affected the accuracy of the sights by more than 20 inches for every 100 yards.


Useless

>>34338244
>>34338309
>>34338196

You can keep typing big fucking posts but it doesn't change the fact that this was an unknown "issue" until the thermal meme happened. Shooting at squirrels with your cows doesn't have a damned thing to do with anything.

>>34338309
Refund happened so that they could save face, customer service 101. They didn't bother to do a refund or acknowledge the "problem" outside of a case by case basis because it was an extremely limited occurrence. They were forced to do something because once the internet bandwagon started rolling the limited occurrence turned into WW3 holographic sight apocalypse 2016.

Nothing you idiots say is going to magically rewrite history to make this be a longstanding issue with this sight.

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>>34338370
>literal hysterical sobbing
Do they pay you by the post or are you just really, really in denial because you own three of these pieces of shit and told all your friends to buy them too?

>>34338317
When do you expect it to drop below zero in your mom's basement?

>>34331755
The optic is actually sweeping forward rather than backwards though. Wouldn't work on an FS2000 to imitate that classic look.

>>34338480
If you weren't the hick talking about his cows then that wasn't directed at you.

All fucking internet memebois must fucking hang.

>>34331736
If this is open in the morning I can post pics, we got one in at my work.

I could even put it on my PS90 if wanted but I guarantee it'd be too high.

>>34338547
Use Famas chinweld.

>>34337785

The Canadian Army is scrapping all of our EO Tech sights.

We are far too impoverished an army to do that for no reason.

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>>34338534
>the hick talking about his cows
You mean my $190,000 dollar herd that I need to sometimes protect? (and $110,000 isn't actually mine to boot) Yeah, I was talking about them you urban faggot. No wonder why your ~*~three EOTechs~*~ don't have any problems: you never leave a climate-controlled box.

Way to out yourself as a teenager who doesn't know shit about money.

>>34338370
>doesn't change the fact that this was an unknown "issue" until the thermal meme happened
Can you prove this? This is a genuine question.

>>34338641
Can you prove the thermal drift is a repeatable problem in normal operation? I'm not talking about sticking it in an oven for an hour and acting surprised somethings out of whack.

>>34338623
Don't you need to go feed your dads chickens and protect them from coyotes?

>>34338678
You're dodging the question.

>>34338589
what is famas

>>34338611
SOCOM is also ditching it for the T-2 soon, but that totally doesn't mean anything

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>>34338678
>>Don't you need to go feed your dads chickens and protect them from coyotes?
>obvious urban faggotry
Chickens go in a run, which is fenced-off, which means that if a coyote is there it's even closer range which means the EOTech™ Advantage™ is pointless. Overpriced garbage, get a Vortex SPARC or something, it's going to be good enough to shoot something breaking through chicken wire. Nice try, Junior.

You would know these things if you A, actually knew anything about real life, B, owned guns, C, knew how to use guns practically.

Post your guns with your """three""" EOTech™ brand EOTech™ sights.

>>34333921
>MRO is slightly magnified

All red dots of that type are slightly magnified dumbfuck, Aimpoints included. I have serious doubts you have ever even looked through an MRO. It's barely noticeable at all, and it sure as hell doesn't degrade the performance. Quit parroting shit you've read and form your own opinions.

>>34338678
>protect chickens from coyotes
Have you ever seen how chickens are typically kept on a farm? Foxes can be a concern, but coyotes? Are you high?

I would like to talk about the new vortex sight again

>>34338864
This is now an Eokek owner autistic screeching thread m80

>>34338871

But we've had tons of those threads already

>>34338864
What is different about this sight from other Vortex sights?

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>>34331736
Wish they'd offer something like the ACSS. I've got a 6x magnifier that Definitely makes the longer shots easier.

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>>34338864
>he clicked that he would like to know more
>the madman!
Well I'm about done giving (You)s out to EOshills who are mad because they bought into the hype.

It's just the irony that makes it so damn fun. All those years, lording over everyone else who simply didn't give a shit about owning a gucci piece of electric glass. Then, in an instant, the federal government sues their precious brand name and they weep as the company is forced to give twenty five million bucks over and recall countless units.

Finest pottery, like the kind ancient Greeks would make with all sorts of weird goat-men fucking people in the ass and jacking off on fish or something.

>>34338930
calm down, memester

>>34332892
>black metal object in the sun when ambient temperatures are 100 degrees
>omg 150 is unpossible111!!XD

>>34338930
>weird goat-men fucking people in the ass
We call him Milsurpdude around here

>>34338960
Personally I don't own anything but magnified optics but...
If they're talking 120 degrees Celsius that's like almost 250 degrees Fahrenheit right? I don't think optics on a rifle would get up to that in regular use. Besides I thought the thermal drift is mainly attributed to temperatures under 32 degrees Fahrenheit.

I got all this info straight from this very thread, lrn2read.

I'll certainly be getting one.

>>34337423
I'm an FFL
so this whole shit doesn't really apply to me privatly

business wise though...
we'll see what'll happen, but it won't be good

>>34339029
>250F is unattainable!
So, you've obviously never shot your AK enough to make the handguards burst into flames. What temperature does that happen? Oh, over 400F?
That's right. while shooting, the gun barrel gets hotter!
This can affect things attached to/near it!
HOLY FUCKING SHIT! ALERT THE PRESSES!

TL;DR - You are a dumb ass.

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>>34338314
Here are some photos of the aforementioned issue. People are not happy with this.

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>>34341108
I think it's maybe a bit overblown, but it could be different seeing it in person.

>>34341113
It's normal for red dots to look like shit indoors. Thank you for getting this one back on topic.

Ps. EOcucks BTFO

>>34341217
People are complaining about the multi-reticle issue more than the quality of the image indoors. It'd be nice if I could get a look through one, myself.

>>34341113
https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_18/705576_Vortex-Razor-AMG-UH-1.html&page=12

Here are some more pictures and discussion about this issue. Vortex rep appears befuddled and claims to have never witnessed or been made aware of this issue during trade shows and demonstrations of the product.

>>34332107
>on a known bad optic
funny how popular they were with soldiers who actually used them in combat for over a decade despite the problems at extreme temperatures that internetfags never experience
>inb4 SOCOM study

>>34342049
This thread isn't about EOTech, stop.

>>34342049
Soldiers use what they are issued, or are you going to argue that the M14 EBR and Green Tip ammo hung around because their users loved them that much?

>>34338920

This is a holographic sight as opposed to to red dot.

It also looks cool

>>34342142
What's so special about holographic as opposed to LED?

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>>34334322
A point of impact shift of 12 fucking feet at 100 yards at 32°F isn't memeing. Dude, shut up. It'd be one thing if it was like a 6 inch shift at 1000 yards when it reaches absolute zero but it's not. It's a huge shift at a short, reasonable distance in a temperature where people are just putting on sweaters here.

>>34342287
12 fucking inches**

>>34342153

You can get fancy reticles with a holographic where as a red dot is just a red dot

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I like mine (512), had it for 7 years now, it's been a real trooper.

I've got a Micro T-1 as well, I wouldn't hesitate to buy either again.

>>34342419
This isn't a fucking EOTech thread, you mongoloids.

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>>34341108
>>34341113
ew that's nasty!

>>34342430
pretty understandable to have the direct competition brought up, 'fraid you're just gonna have to deal

who else homolusting over the R1X?

http://www.steiner-optics.com/battle-sights/r1x

>>34342336
Holosun says nah.

>>34331736
>MSRP: 699.95 USD.
Welp guess I'm buying an EOKEK instead.

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>tfw still want an Eotech 512 even after all this

>have the same comp m4 for a decade
>leave running on 2nd lowest visible-light setting constantly
>replace corroded, dead battery once last year
>got 100% free remanufacturing to fix the
corrosion
>fresh battery still running at same light level right now
>read this whole thread
>sip coffee
i enjoy our time together, /k/

>>34342597
Are you retarded?

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>>34342891
Can someone with an EOTech XPS series sight try to replicate this?

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>>34342898
It just doesn't happen. This doesn't stop the Eotech from being a sub par red dot, but it is lacking the amount of utter fuckuppery this Vortex apparently has.

>>34338314
>>34341108
>>34341113
>>34342891
>>34342937
>utter fuckuppery
I have to be honest with you, it's too expensive for me to justify right now, but I don't think this issue would ever stop me from getting one. (if I actually liked holos) I don't even think it's an issue, that's way, waaaay too bright to use anyway. Even if it wasn't too bright the ghost image isn't enough to throw off a shot.

I just don't really see the problem.

>>34343074
Apparently the problem is that it's not visible outside, at all, at the highest usable setting indoors. If you set it up for being useful outdoors it does that when you go inside. Supposedly EOTechs and other red dots are better at this.

>>34343091
Being visible outdoors is pretty important, but I haven't read that's actually the issue. Seems that the power setting is more of the problem so adjusting from outdoors to indoors is a little tricky.

You know what hasn't failed me? My little ghetto Bushnell TRS-25 that my grandma got me for my birthday. I have a Trijcon RMR on my oper8in rifle, but the Bushnell is on the Maverick 88 and it's pretty great. I shot a bunch of raccoons with it and yelled "MOZAMBIQUE" when I dumped the rest of the tube into the bodies.

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>>34342336
My superior russian red dots shit on your overpriced capitalist Memepoint and EOCuck aiming devices

>>34343248
I like Russian optics it's too bad they usually come on a mounting system made for retards. :(

>>34343212
"DJIBOUTI!!!"

>>34342485
So I'm going to spend 600 dollars to mount a Lego master chief head on my rifle? Nice try, better luck next time anon.

>>34343265
You can get the PK-01, PK-06, and the Kobra all in basic bitch AR-compatible mounts.

The side mount is just more a e s t h e t i c , that's all.

>>34342287

Where I live it never gets even really close to that cold, and we put in sweaters in the low 70s

>>34343288
No it isn't. There's nothing aesthetic about a clumsy solution to add optics to a rifle that should have had a better receiver design.

>>34343248
Are you the same vatnik that claimed the 1P87 is better than the Aimpoint M4 even though the 1P87 has the same battery life as an Eotech, fewer light settings, rated for less severe physical shock, less severe temperatures and can't be submerged into more than 1,5 meters of water?

>>34332878
>>34332841
>>34332892
>these guys lied to me, but at least it's something that doesn't effect me outright
>lets trust em <3 what would be the chances that they would lie again?

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>>34343404
>>34343434

What are the benefits of a holgraphic sight like this or an eotech? I figure it's good for people with astigmatism and you get a bit of a wider view range. Is there anything else to it that would warrant it over a red dot?

>>34343760
Not a vatnik, I just think that the Russian reticle design butt rapes Aimpoint and EOTech's designs in terms of ease of target acquisition, simplicity, etc. A 2MOA dot plus the alignment lines is a god-tier combo, and having used all three extensively in my days doing tacticool wannabe move+shoot drills, I'll take it over the other two any day. Since I'm not fighting in Vietnam, the water and heat resistance issues of the commiescopes isn't a big deal to me.

I actually like Aimpoints a lot though, I just think EOTech's are a shitty meme that are bulky, ugly, kill batteries, have major durability issues, and are generally inferior to the based Swedish tubesights on pretty much every single objective measurement. Even the EOTech's reticles suck, they remind me of the patterns off of a toy or something.

As for durability/shock resistance. If my Vepr 12 can't kill my PK-06, then I doubt anything can.

>>34344331
I've got astigmatism, and I'd much rather deal with the small amount of beam scatter that I get with an Aimpoint, Trijicon, or Zenit than overpay for EOTech's shitty design and ugly/distracting reticle designs. Less is more, when it comes to dot size/shape.

>>34338855
Nigga you ever been on a farm?
Coyotes are everywhere

>>34344331
> Is there anything else to it that would warrant it over a red dot?
The only thing left after the astigmatism thing is literally
>muh feefees

>>34344946
Even the astigmatism thing is majorly overrated. We're used to seeing all light sources being blurry, picking up where the dot is is NBD.

i dont care, my eotech works fine and I never had problem with it.

>>34334130
I would consider that a compliment

>>34345722
Wow such a useful reply

>>34342098
This. Id bet 90% of combat soldiers have never used anything besides the eokek before serving.

>>34345981
This fact rustles my jimmies so goddamn hard.

>>34333539
Fucking this. If you actually care about this stuff, stop being a mallninja and spend that money on ammo. Not to stockpile; ammo to practice with.

>>34337512
What a little bitch. Good thing the end isn't near. You'd probably have a panic attack when you realized it meant no more power or central heat/ac.

>>34338534
>Stop bullying EoTech! Stop it or I'll get really mad!
All fucking memebois must fucking hang indeed.