Why did the South give up after only 4 years? The Irish fought

It probably had something to do with getting sick of being shot at over a bunch of nigger slaves they couldn't even keep working anymore. Men need something to fight for.

>>34329011
>Men need something to fight for.
Robert E. Lee himself said that if he knew how badly the South would be treated during Reconstruction, he would rather have died with his sword in his hand than surrender at Appomattox.

>>34329033

Lee was an aristocratic traitor to the cause who was more concerned about his pompous social circles than fighting the righteous cause of independence against the British Secessionists of 1776 that we really didn't want much of a part in, but ended up saving their asses because Washington and his Yankee cohorts were ineffectual military men. The Patriot outlines this pretty good.

Fun fact: Some of Teddy Roosevelt's family members were Confederate big wigs and he visited them in Britain on a trip. We had a diplomatic outpost there and lots of exiles ended up in Britain. Also in Brasil.

The only reason the North won is because they imported those Irish potato niggers by the droves and forced them into service. They simply had more bodies to throw at the problem, much like the Soviets did against Hitler. But the 1865 Socialists of Lincoln were just as bad for history as the 1945 Socialists of Stalin.

The North won or the same reason the Republican party struggles today: conservative powerbrokers are pussies and don't know how to push the envelope. You get Grant to go to Appomattox and then you kill him during the "Surrender", ordering your men to ambush the Yankees and fight to the last child.

>t.drunk southerner.

>>34328958
I guess being a traitor for the purpose of keeping people as pets and property doesn't look like as good a deal when you're losing on a regular basis, so they just rolled over and cried while Grant slowly sodomized them into submission.

That's the heritage.

>>34328958
>Why did the South give up after only 4 years?

Their cotton trade was essentially crippled ever since Savanna was taken. It extended shipping for about two more weeks.

>>34329411
The war was fought because of federal vs state rights not over slavery. Lincoln only made that the focus of the civil war to guilt trip European powers from buying southern cotton to fund the southern war machine.

>>34329497
Correct. It was fought over the state right. to own people as pets and property. And for the right of the state to deny rights to people based on color.

Its in the fucking declarations of secession of most of the southern states. To protect their 'unique' way of life.

>>34329509

PROPERTY, NOT PEOPLE.

They weren't fucking people legally at the time. No different than owning a horse or oxen

>>34329594
They were people, being owned as property.
Calling them property does not make them less of a person, just like your mom calling you smart doesn't make it so.

It was an immoral choice to use race based slave labor, and an immoral choice to fight a seditious war to maintain slavery.

>>34328958
Because the number of casualties was fucking enormous you silly goose. Because the armies of the Union destroyed the southern states industry, agriculture, and ability to wage war. The question you should be asking -- in /his/, not here -- is why was there no insurgency during Reconstruction. And there totally was. Fortunately they had a population of freed slaves to focus their anger on instead of white yankees.

File: 1445995124077.jpg (32KB, 300x378px) Image search: [Google]

32KB, 300x378px

>>34329594
jesus christ, the mental gymnastics you people go through.
honestly, the more radical republicans were right, every high ranking southerner and their family should have been strung up as traitors, and their property given to freed slaves and white sharecroppers. perhaps then we wouldn't have this autism over a meme war 150 years on.

>>34328958
>The Irish fought for their independence for 800 years
That's just because they're too drunk and inbred to learn from mistakes.

>the war was only over states rights

Yeah old people said that to me a lot too. They also said if I masturbated I'd go blind.

>>34329616
>implying niggers are people

>>34329644
How dare those southerners secede from the country that was created by a bunch of colonies seceding from the British empire? Every thinking person knows that secession is treason - except when Massachusetts does it, in which case it's okay because reasons.

>>34329747
>implying anonymous posters on a Botswanana art board are people and not fags like you sitting in your mom's basement talking shit.

Eh who gives a fuck, it was a long time ago. We should be focusing on succeeding again.

>>34329201

Wouldn't that imply that both FDR and Churchill were related to the Confederates as well?

File: tumblr_mvhuy6WLj11sviuduo5_500.jpg (127KB, 500x662px) Image search: [Google]

127KB, 500x662px

>>34329747
More of a person than you are, you mongoloid fuckstain on the mattress of the human race

>>34329201
Reconstruction was very brutal and cruel to the South. Lee was right about it. Why didn't we fight a guerrilla war?
>>34329411
>>34329509
>>34329616
Slavery being what it was, the North was fighting not to free slaves, but to plunder the South. It was a war of economic domination.
>>34329644
By definition, it's not treason. We weren't on their side to begin with.
>>34329685
We were pretty drunk back then too. Alcoholism was rampant before Prohibition, which was also a movement created by damned Yankees.

>>34329813
>>34329813
>Slavery being what it was, the North was fighting not to free slaves, but to plunder the South. It was a war of economic domination.
>making us treat people as people and not pets ruins our economic model
>we would rather immorally keep people as pets and fight a war sacrificing everything instead of considering alternative economic models
>we are being oppressed by the north!

File: 1498076996648.jpg (31KB, 426x320px) Image search: [Google]

31KB, 426x320px

>>34329894
>feeding (You)'s to the retarded children

>>34329033
How was the south treated badly? (European here)

>>34329894
>Having nigger slaves.
As opposed to what? Sending them home? Keeping them here has a very bad track record. If you're an enlightened nigger just know, my "racist cracker ass" wouldn't Rob you, or kill you, but how about your kin? Go walk your proud black man ass through an all black neighborhood at night without a gun.

>>34330417
>Sending them home?

was that not an option?

>>34330439
We did that with some of them.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberia

>>34330455

imo it would have made sense to just send them all back to one country and agree to help them out as a form of reparations, at least then we'd have some sort of foothold in africa

>>34329594
So you're OK with 9/11 and every islamist suicide attack because infidels aren't "people" under sharia law, correct?

>The Irish fought for their independence for 800 years
Not really, no.

>>34329790
nigger spotted

>>34329813
Just before the surrender at Appomattox Lee's subordinates suggested evolving the war into a guerrilla campaign.

They had already had success ambushing the North while on march, and wanted to see how much they could get out of a non-conventional war. Lee rejected the idea because he didn't think it was a winning strategy, and because by then he thought people had suffered enough.

tl:dr The idea was suggested, but Lee rejected it.

>>34330587
I can only imagine the fun Sherman would've had with that.

>>34330566
no because that was on our turf, not theirs. retard

>>34328958
>Irish fought for their independence for 800 years
fuck they did, it was stupid minority, and overall never achieved more than 30% support

>>34330391
They weren't allowed to keep their slaves they fought over which left them to work the fields and fuck that. Shits hard work

>>34330501
Niggers don't work like that

>>34330640
t. an Englishman named Muhammad

>>34330653
> ireland has a gay Pakistani for president.

>>34329894
>we would rather immorally keep people as pets and fight a war sacrificing everything instead of considering alternative economic models

Can't tell if troll or stupid.
The south wasn't allowed alternative economic models, you fucking worthless example of human excrescence. The north blocked all attempts of the south to gain worthwhile industry (IE, factories, anything that didn't rely on slavery).
Seriously. Do the world a favor and do some fucking reading.

>>34330792
>WE DINDU NUFFIN
>WE WUZ GUD BOYZ
>WE WUZ JUSS TURNIN OUR LIFE AROUND
...now where have we heard that before...

>>34329497
This. The Emancipation Proclamation only "freed" slaves in secessionist states. Its only goal was to cripple the southern economy because England would decide it didn't want to be on the "wrong" side of the war. It worked, even though slavery remained legal in Union states until the enactment of the 13th Amendment after the war.

>>34330391
once Lincoln was killed and Johnson took over, the radical Republicans in Congress implemented policies specifically to hurt white southerners.

for example, they hiked property taxes during a time of poverty, knowing that most land owners would default. once defaulted, the govt would confiscate the land (by force if needed, since the whole south was under martial law) and give it to the Freedman's bureau for redistribution to former slaves, and to corrupt carpetbaggers.

think of the whole period as being kinda like the USSRs kulakization period. the north stole southern land, redistributed it to blacks and Republican party lackeys, and and districted the south to ensure white southerners wouldn't be able to elect Democrats ever again.

this lasted from the end of the war up into the late 1870s, when Democrats finally took the house and ended reconstruction. at that point, the south "rose again" and by the 1890s, had the whole Jim Crow segregation thing going on.

overall, reconstruction is indirectly responsible for why the south is such a shithole today

>>34330501
If only it had been a requirement of the South's surrender that all blacks would be repatriated to Africa. We should have demanded this.

>>34330439
There were a fuckload of blacks, and steam ships had only just become a thing. Sending them all back to Africa would have been a massive expense in a time when the government was already at the brink of bankruptcy from the Civil War.

Reminder that lincoln only pulled the slave card when the union became disinterested in the war.

He was one of the most politically aggressive presidents in history. He fired the longest serving soldier in the army, who came up with the strategy they later used to win the war, because that general wasnt as politically motivated as his 2 competing predecessors.

He got lucky that grant wasnt a fuck up like the other 2 generals before him.

>t. Unbiased frontiersman

>>34328958
Because the North was fully prepared to burn the south to the ground to get their way. If we had the same rules of war then as we do now about not targeting civilian infrastructure The war could have lasted decades.

>>34330917
Long term, would it have been a greater expense than keeping them all here?

>>34330933
Cont

The south had issues too.

They had almost zero officers with battlefield experience. Lee was a fort builder. The rest of the officers were immigrants and militia men with no higher rank than captain before joining the CSA.

2 commanding officers went rogue and tried to take over some northern state, i think illinois, for themselves.

One officer was a slave owning native that no one bothered to listen to when he suggested guerilla warfare.

Stonewall jackson was an arrogant prick who got shot because he didnt tell his lowers shit, so when he went for a walk and didnt tell amyone, guard duty shot him.

Jefferson davis was too weak of a leader to bring the south together. He was not as politically strong as lincoln. He was a fool for not sabotaging the unions foreign relations at the start before lincoln could pull his shit off.

>>34330881
>overall, reconstruction is indirectly responsible for why the south is such a shithole today
Not indirectly responsible but directly. The two reason why the south is such a economic shit hole right now, 150 years after the fact is:
>During the civil war, the northern forces decimated the southern manufacturing economy
>After the war, they refused to rebuild it

The post-war "progressive" Republicans refused to rebuild the southern manufacturing base. The southern manufacturing did not return to prewar levels till the late 20th century. That poor economy ripples into other portions in government. Add in the forced redistribution of wealth and the moment the original party came into control, you got retributive laws enacted.

t. A contextually minded Northerner.

>>34330976
>Jefferson davis was too weak of a leader to bring the south together. He was not as politically strong as lincoln.
This was supposed to be a feature, not a bug, remember? Muh states' rights and shit.

>>34330837
Hrm. You seem to have reading comprehension issues. Try again!

>>34331010
Right, problem is, when you need a standing army, where is this army coming from. You need bodies from all over, not just virginia. He was not strong enough to get aid from the other states.

They should have just split off into individual states instead of forming a confederacy if they didnt think they should contribute soldiers.

They also had issues with CS army not being able to take command of state militias, which is a huge logistical problem.

>>34330875
It was Presidential Proclamation, and a executive order. Any slave that Union freed or a slave that ran away was granted freedom. Lincoln didn't have the authority to do this the United States. That's what you get for being traitors.

Its funny that Lincoln is automatically thought of as some sort of saint, when one glance of his wikipedia article shows he was a power hungry dictator.

>>34329509
>>34329616
>>34329708
>>34329894
Not only did the north have more slaves than the south, they didn't free their slaves until 6 months after the war, and after Lincoln was dead. The Emancipation Proclamation only applied to 'states in open rebellion', meaning the north was free to continue on with business as usual, having slaves make uniforms and bullets during the war. Also, contrary to the popular depiction of at least one slave on even the smallest southern farms, slavery was mostly a rich man's game and the price of a slave was comparable to buying a new car today. It was not a luxury most southerners could afford, and the idea that every single southerner who -volunteered- to fight did it to protect something he didn't even have is ludicrous.

So stop drinking the Kool-Aid. History is written by the winners, and in this case the winners have whitewashed the hell out of what the war was really about. The Civil War, like the Revolution, was mostly about taxes. Starting in 1828 the northern states, with their majority control of the House because of their higher population, began imposing heavy tariffs making it difficult to buy goods from (and later, sell to) Europe. Although these tariffs affected all the states, they hit the south the hardest as southern cotton was far more valuable to export than it was to sell domestically. They also levied taxes nationwide for the construction of railroads and telegraph lines that solely connected northern states and the new western territories, neglecting southern states. As the south began to feel more and more taken advantage of, the first calls for southern secession came 30 years before the Civil War, and tensions only rose until finally boiling over in 1861.

>>34331260
Cont.
It would be unfair to say that slavery played no part in the decision to go to war, as almost every member of every southern legislature owned slaves, and certainly wanted to keep them. But for the common men, who all, again -volunteered- to fight, it was about keeping northern hands out of their pockets and off of their tables. I cannot stress enough how important the volunteering aspect of this is, as it really proves my point. The south didn't have to conscript a single man until over a year into the war. Think about life today; if your taxes doubled or tripled overnight, many of us would be willing to fight to keep what is ours, but how many of you would volunteer to fight and die for the right of corporations being allowed to rake in bigger profits by paying less than minimum wage? Not many, I'm guessing. That's the fallacy of saying that the Civil War was only about slavery.

File: image.jpg (146KB, 481x611px) Image search: [Google]

146KB, 481x611px

>>34329813
>we didn't we fight a guerilla war?

Some of us did.

>>34331260
>slavery was mostly a rich man's game and the price of a slave was comparable to buying a new car today. It was not a luxury most southerners could afford, and the idea that every single southerner who -volunteered- to fight did it to protect something he didn't even have is ludicrous.
Yeah, about that, i have some bad news for you - you're an imbecile
https://deadconfederates.com/2011/04/28/ninety-eight-percent-of-texas-confederate-soldiers-never-owned-a-slave/

File: image.png (40KB, 475x433px) Image search: [Google]

40KB, 475x433px

>>34331424
>deadconfederates.com

Real reliable source you've got there.

Not that anon but an actual history student here, most southern whites did not own slaves. Now the exact ratio depends on the particular state in question- NC had far fewer slave owners than Alabama relative to her size- but generally poor whites did not participate in or themselves benefit from slavery.

Their attachment was largely ideological, reinforced by "racial science" and other nonsense backed by the plantation class, and by the slim hope that maybe they too could one day buy slaves and have a plantation.
The indoctrination was so bad that when Hilton R Helper pointed out how bad slavery was fucking over Southern whites economically, he became persona non grata.

It's really quite sad.

>>34330792
>The north blocked all attempts of the south to gain worthwhile industry

How ? It wasn't like the south was under blockade before the civil war.

>>34331424
>>34331424
Literally your article:
>less than 6% of southern people owned slaves
>shit, that doesn't sound high enough, lets use families of five instead
>even though that's not reliable at all because rich plantation owners would have umpteen kids and impoverished families might have 2 or 3

Tell you what, I'll concede that women couldn't own much back then and double that less-than-6% to 11% for you. 11% of southern men owned slaves. That also means 89% of southern men did NOT own slaves. That still sounds like a major economic class divide to me, don't you think?

>>34328958
It was because Lincoln was a dictator and Sherman was his hammer. That's it.
Plot Twist: The war had nothing to do with slaves. The federal government continued to use slaves years after the war had ended.

File: 1497539228515.gif (2MB, 480x270px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 480x270px

>>34329201
Eh, more like the South was getting devastated. They we're losing ground because they did not have the industry the North did and thanks to Sherman as they lost ground everything they left behind went up in flames. The South was on its knees when Appomattox rolled around.

End result: even with your little scenario there taking place, the South was getting steam rolled. Sorry bud

>>34330391
Too much bad blood over the way. In a massive campaign to bury the war dead they purposely left dead Confederates out to rot. They quickly proved they only cared about the land and not the people of the south.

>>34330976
>They had almost zero officers with battlefield experience
Then what happened to the men who served in the Mexican American War? What happened to fighting Indians? What about the men who served in the war of 1812? I thought the South got the majority of the high ranking officers during the beginning of the war.

>>34329790
niggers are violent subhuman trash and everwhere they go crime rates skyrocket you stupid ape

>>34330960
*crickets*

>>34331925
>I thought the South got the majority of the high ranking officers during the beginning of the war.
That's actually exactly what happened, ignore that other anon. The south did well at first because of that experience, but over time the north trained more and more competent officers and the south lost that advantage.

>>34330960
>>34332093
No joke, Lincoln wanted to send them all back. Not because he hated them, but because he thought they deserved the chance to make their own country since we had taken that away from them. He believed that even with nothing but a slave's education, their agricultural experience would give them an edge over their African neighbors. Some have even suggested that that's why Lincoln was shot, so that the freedmen would remain here to be re-enslaved further down the road.

>>34329201
>Some of Teddy Roosevelt's family members were Confederate big wigs and he visited them in Britain on a trip.
He was 3 years old when the civil war started. What's the point of this?

>>34332210
>He believed that even with nothing but a slave's education, their agricultural experience would give them an edge over their African neighbors.

And the worst part was that he was right :
As soon as Liberia was set up, the afro-americans set themselves up as citizens while relegating locals to second-class citizens.

>>34328958
Because the political differences werent enough to counter balance the sheer harshness of union campaigns
Also the majority of southern soldiers really didnt give a fuck, so why keep fighting? Sure some extra pissy war vets fought on by forming the KKK and taking their misplaced anger out on blacks, but those were only a small small minority of the south

>>34331564
I don't see what you don't get in his article :

Some southerners owned a lot of slaves.
Said slave owners were the head of their household and had extensive families.

While said family members themselves didn't own slaves, they benefited from the work of their grand daddy's livestock.

Add to this the families who were employed by the wealthy slave owners.
They might not own a slave themselves or be related to slave owners.
But their heads of household were taskmasters, outlookers and any professions necessary for the plantation to run smoothly.
They benefited indirectly from slavery because, while not rich themselves, they had a job of making people pick cotton rather than picking it up themselves.

File: 1496029924476.jpg (91KB, 411x391px) Image search: [Google]

91KB, 411x391px

Why are there lemons on his grave? I know the saying "when life gives ya lemons" but he's dead, so that doesn't make much sense...

>>34332355
I do see where you're coming from, but you could argue that in an economic system with slavery, anyone who is not a slave benefits. That's off the rails from my original points, though. Yes, picking cotton sucks and it must have been better to oversee than pick it themselves, but was it worth dying over? Was it worth leaving your homes, your families, for years and murdering people, just to keep a job that as you said, didn't make those men wealthy? And even if you think the worst and say yes, they all did it to keep the black man down, how do you explain the men who didn't come from a plantation background?

>>34332210
It was becoming friends with Frederick Douglas that convinced him otherwise. Made him think that black and white could share a country.

>>34329509
>And for the right of the state to deny rights to people based on color.
You do realize that the North at the time (and from there on until the sixties) still denied rights for people based on their race, right?

>>34329790
Go back to your mud hut nigger

>>34331859
>southerners
>people

>>34329201
Fuck off you hick.

>>34329759

You realize that the South attacked the North right?

>>34332716
you do realize fort sumpter was part of south carolina, which the north were attacking by being there right?

>>34331322
Shameful kek

>>34332355
Rich plantation sons didn't do much of the fighting. Those that did were officers.

There also weren't many whites employed by plantation owners. If you could have a slave do the job for free, why wouldn't you?

>>34330391
the traitors werte stripped of their rights and citizenship, leaders of the rebellion were executed, and the soldiers were sent to work camps. Population of traitor states wetre split up, dispersed and relocated , repalced by norther settlers.

Oh, wait. Thats how every other major country in history dealt with internal rebellions. In US, the traitors were no longer allowed to keep their slaves. The horror!

Also, seriously, fuck the south. Imagine how US would look now without these fuckers importing massive amounts of niggers just because they were too cheap to hire white workers.

Most modern US problems stem directly from the legacy of gorillion slaves that were importend by shitbags too lazy to pick their own fucking cotton.

>>34333286
so you don't actually know what happened and are speculating like there's no tomorrow?
>https://youtu.be/c-W5fGCAzOk?t=12m5s
>doesn't know that the US federal government continued to use slaves long after it was illegal
>doesn't know the Union was propped up by the south

>>34333323
>>doesn't know the Union was propped up by the south
So how come the North didn't fucking collapse after the South started screeching autistically about their right to strip another man's liberty from him and use him as glorified cattle?

>>34333344
That's actually more than half true. Most of the trade between the US and Europe flowed through the south until the war, enough of it that England and France both considered the Confederate States to be the more valuable trade partner. The only reason that got shut down before Jolly old England entered the war whistling Dixie was that when the north and south split, the north retained almost the entire navy, and mounted an extremely effective blockade.

File: John_Brown_portrait,_1859-face_crop.jpg (544KB, 1377x1741px) Image search: [Google]

544KB, 1377x1741px

JOHN BROWN WAS RIGHT

>>34333576
John Brow's body lies moldering in a grave!

>>34330599

He would of kept fighting railroads and widows like the drunk he was.

>>34331551

The Tariffs effectively caused a blockade since around 1810 especially when it came to importing the machine tools and other infrastructure to start industrialization in the south.

File: you done goofd.png (87KB, 321x308px) Image search: [Google]

87KB, 321x308px

>>34328958

The weak should fear the strong.

A bunch of German/Irish liberal urban immigrants BTFO white Confederates into the stone age.

>tfw the south still hasnt recovered from getting destroyed to this day

The funniest thing about it, is how butthurt Southerners get about it. Have you ever brought it up in polite conversation? They starts chimping out about it.

>>34333522

Revisionism isnt history anon.

>>34334052
yeah just like when you talk to burgers about the middle-east lmao

>>34334060

Or Vietnam, or Korea, or 9/11...

>>34330501
What is liberia?

>>34332190
lol naaaa....the south did well for a reason that won't make sense to you until you go to the south...maybe like to the river when there's water and everyone is there with their family.

>>34334057
>claims revision
>doesn't know it's been written about for over 100 years
wew. can't wait for summer to be over.

>>34334052
why is it that retards who unironically believe in the superior race bullshit always get so utterly BTFO by the very people they consider inferior?
how do they even keep believing that utter bullshit to this day and autistically screech the moment you remember them they suck so much that are a footnote on the big book of history?

>>34334474
pretty sure all the anglo-saxon protestants lived in the north

>>34334094
>Vietnam
Politically untenable to continue combat, still BTFO the VC, tet offensive nearly shattered them, would have won had we stayed
>Korea
Only lost ground once China got involved due to shit decisions on the MURICA side (FFS MacArthur), still pushed all-in China-reinforced NorKies back to 38th Parallel, ended in a genuine stalemate.
>9/11
Dismantled two entire countries' militaries and governments, and destabilized both into constant infighting even after main operations had ceased.

>>34334052
>we wuz white southern kangs, mayne...
we din du nuffin. blame the north.

>>34329894
It wasn't abolition that destroyed our economy. It was the massive corruption on the part of Reconstruction governments.

File: 1497566559828.jpg (164KB, 588x660px) Image search: [Google]

164KB, 588x660px

>>34334854
>suddenly paying for labor and reduced demand didn't hurt us

>>34333020
Because the slave could run away / slack on the job if not checked by a non-slave ?

>>34332422
He loved lemons and believed they would keep him healthy. It's a way of honoring his memory.

Actually, there is a black church in Virginia that still honors his memory because he taught them the Bible. He wasn't supposed to do that, but he believed devoutly in his Christian faith.

>>34334873
It didn't. Dozens of other countries abolished slavery peacefully and switched to an industrial economy. Until WW2, the North deliberately prevented the south from industrializing. The North didn't give a damn about black people. They were even more racist than the South. They just wanted to exploit our resources and plunder our people.

File: 1483018286307.gif (2MB, 290x260px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 290x260px

>>34334981
>Until WW2, the North deliberately prevented the south from industrializing.

>>34329497
Correct.
The right to own people.

>>34334057
Well, he is correct in saying most of foreign trade was with the South rather than the North :

The economy of the South was pretty similar to that of a third world country.
It was mainly producing food and raw material to be exported in exchange for foreign currency, with which manufactured goods were imported.

This, however, created problems :

Before the war, a lot of those manufactured goods came from the North because transportation and duties were a lot cheaper than from, say, England.

With the embargo, the South had to import from England... which was a lot more expansive, meaning all their export economy was worth a lot less in actual purchasing power.

Add to this the blockade and yes, the South was fucked, as its economy wasn't meant to work in autarcy.

The South's initial strategy was to win a serie of quick shock victories to convince the North's population and politicians that the war would be long and too costly to be worth fighting.
It failed... because the North could easily replace whatever material or human losses the South inflicted.

>>34332288
Yep, and in fact one of the first thing the new Americo-Liberians did was to institute slavery of the native population, which lasted for nearly 3 decades. After that, the Liberians decided they'd just treat the natives like they were garbage but not actually enslave them.

Please, anyone - name me a place where a person with black skin would be better off today had their ancestors never been "subjected to the evils of slavery." The majority would be fly-blown corpses in Africa or living in abject disgustingly impoverished conditions. Being sold into slavery (ahem, by other blacks) is unironically the best thing that ever happened to members of the African race to secure a future for their progeny.

>>34335054
The South's "strategy" was to hold off cotton exports until Europe was forced to come rescue them. Merchants refused to export cotton before the blockade was even in effect.

Instead Europe just stockpiled what they had and turned to Egypt, Central Asia, and India and laughed all the way to the bank while the Confederates ran out of money. Oops.

>>34328958
DO IT AGAIN SHERMAN

>>34330391
What all the others said, and a lot of the southern states had to give up gun rights as a condition of rejoining the union. Fucking carpetbaggers not wanting us to be armed.
>t. Angry Texan

>>34335056
Centuries of colonialism and Cold War proxy wars doesn't excuse chopping people's feet off, kidnapping free persons, and selling children. Frankly, that's just the tamer stuff that happened.

People are fucking evil in the best of times.

>>34330391
It wasn't.

They weren't allowed to be savages anymore and instead blamed all their problems on the terrible Northerner who had the audacity to keep them from murdering innocent black people. They're still playing the victim card to this day.

Kek Irish independence those fucking apes cant last a week without trying to kill one another animals need masters. The little Leprecoons

>>34329201
>The only reason the North won is because they imported those Irish potato niggers by the droves and forced them into service.

There were loads of Irish Roman Catholics fighting for the south. Largely because the great American tradition of shitting on Roman Catholics was done less in the south and many were small farmers. Of course history had to be made REALLY simple for American public schools and their were airbrushed out of history. The KKK then made complete cunts of themselves by burning down Roman Catholic churches were CSA civil war vets prayed. I sometimes think the KKK were a federalist psyop from the get go

>>34335211
They were there because the Appalachians are full of Scots-Irish halfbreeds.

>>34330647
>>34333286
>>34335155
Literally "fuck the south"

>>34335109
>>34331859
>>34330881

Desribes how the south were mistreated

I was the guy asking the original question, every time I have seen discussions about the civil war they end up exactly the same. It isn't hard to figure out which side is right where one is literally just calling the other names.

>>34335054
He's only correct on the export side of things, one of the main reasons for England not supporting the South was the large and lucrative import market of the North that they would lose while being in the middle of a recession.

>>34335082
Europe didn't even need to stockpile, their textile industries were in a bubble that collapsed right around the start of the war. They were already oversupplied then output and demand dropped.

>>34334305
The South doing better than the North is propped up by maybe a half dozen battles in the first 8 months of the war while ignoring several Union victories.

>>34335245
>They were there because the Appalachians are full of Scots-Irish halfbreeds.

They were not Roman Catholic but protestant

During the 1850s up to 60% of the regular army was made up of Irish soldiers.

These figures are for IRISH BORN men not second generation

Confederate 30,000
Apthorp Gould Union Volunteers 144,221
Union Navy 23,608
California & Territories Volunteers 6,440
Regular Army, April 1861 6,561
TOTAL 210,830

As Roman Catholics were denied officer positions initially in the CSA many would state a different religion.

There were many Irish generals to though 12 Federal and 6 Confederate.

>>34335284
Most of the soldiers of the south were literally just random hill billies that dyed a shirt brown.

>>34329813
The battle of Liberty place and later this >>34331322
Kept the south southern democrat from 1865 to 1965

>>34335250
>I was the guy asking the original question, every time I have seen discussions about the civil war they end up exactly the same. It isn't hard to figure out which side is right where one is literally just calling the other names.
Or you could just decide which side is spouting revisionist nonsense and the other side is tired of over a century of whining about it.

File: 652786649179f1a111a1f90bc4e5f605.jpg (12KB, 236x307px) Image search: [Google]

12KB, 236x307px

bloody tenth says you are all wrong and modern American history as taught in public schools is a lie.

Lincon only freed the slaves because he was loosing and actually hoped they could all be eventually shipped back to Africa as colonists. Fact.

>>34329644
I completely fucking agree with you.

The Irish are suckers for the doing your duty line. Every fucking time. You have to go to the ass end of SE asia in the first millennium to find wars they were not in. For a tiny island with a few million on it is actually quite incredible. They do honour to war. They end up in senior ranks and do most of the hard fighting every time.

Lord sidmouth

"The Irish turned the scale on the 18th of June at Waterloo'.

Waterloo, Gettysburg, the Somme, roukes drift, the boer war, Irish generals built the Russian empire and were key to Austrian victories, they even tried invading Canada. Pretty much ever European nation has had Irish regiments. Its insane. Literal Gods of war if they ever unify they will conquer the planet. Don't let that happen.

>>34335436
>tfw have irish blood in me

you can't deny the fighting irish

>>34335443
They always fight on both sides to. To keep it fair.

The Irish are a people, an ethnic group seperate from the British

The Southerners are not massively seperate from the North, at least at that point in time

This is why the left seeks to eradicate the American nation via mass immigration/race mixing.

I bet there was that one Irish guy who fought nor the north Vietnamese


'Honestly, I didn't even know I'd been shot. I spotted blood on my arm but presumed it was from the injured man I was carrying."
Michael Coyne, an Irish veteran of the Vietnam War, casts his mind back to the day he was nearly killed.


"We were involved in an assault near some paddy fields," he says, "and 200 yards ahead of us were some armoured personnel carriers that were attacked and nine crew were wounded.

"Two of us volunteered to get them back. There were bullets flying everywhere. The other guy with me got hit in the leg and went down. I continued on and got the injured out. I was shot on the way back."


The Vietnam War officially lasted from 1955 to the fall of Saigon in 1975. It is estimated that up to 3.1 million Vietnamese lost their lives, as did nearly 60,000 US service personnel.

Michael, now living in Jenkinstown, Co Meath, was injured five times during his 16 months in Vietnam. He received five Purple Hearts and two Bronze Stars, both with "V devices" for Valour.

Michael, now 69, tells me: "In the cavalry and tanks regiments, at least 75pc were Irish in some way."

Declan Hughes of the Irish Veterans Historical Research Centre spent years searching for the names of Irish personnel who died in the jungles of South East Asia.


"Many emigrated, got their papers and were then drafted," he says. "Officially, the only 'Irish' soldier to have died was John Driver from Dublin, but most gave their American addresses and were considered to be American."

>>34329509
Blacks have no rights that white men are bound to respect.

Folk song from Dublin early 1800s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWjzCFAAaw0

>>34329708
They weren't wrong.

>>34329763
>>34329790
>there are nigger sympathizers on /k/
I hate summer

>>34335054
>in exchange for foreign currency
just like today, foreign dollars are best dollars

I know this isn't a history board and /pol/ has ruined /k/ and 4chan in general, but what the fuck is up with all the whiney revisionist history? Can't you just accept the fact that the southern aristocracy was full of massive shitheads? People fucking hated lincoln at during the civil war but by the end of it they hated the aristocratic south more. Ask yourself how you come to hate people more than a man who stripped civil liberties like he worked in a constitutional titty bar.

Irish capturing Berlin


John O'Rourke then went to France. Travelling to Versailles in 1758 he petitioned King Louis XV for a military commission, specifying his princely origin and praying for a regiment.

The impressed King had O'Rourke installed as the Captain of the ‘Royal Scotch' Brigade, much to the chagrin of the French officers. As a few instances of irregular promotions had been made in the brigade, the lieutenants were hurt at his appointment and resolved to contest the matter with him.
Challenged by a number of these enraged officers, John O'Rourke was forced to demonstrate his regal military deportment in a series of fencing duels, four in two days.

He emerged victorious in all those duels and so gained a great reputation - not more by his gallantry in the field, than by his honourably confessing that he thought it an injury to the national regiment that he as a foreigner should be thrust upon them.

After receiving a certificate of recommendation from the French King he was off to Russia and the court of Tsarina Elizabeth 1 in St. Petersburg.

In Russia John O'Rourke met up with his younger brother Cornelius, who like himself had emigrated from Ireland in search of a foreign military career. Cornelius was as regal minded as his brother and had allied himself dynastically in marrying the niece of Count de Lacy, descendant from the Norman Co. Meath family and a field marshal in the service of Austria.

Both O'Rourkes became prominent Russian military leaders. They retained their titles of Irish Counts as they entered the Russian military service.

John O'Rourke finally demonstrated his military prowess during the siege of Berlin. In 1761 he was appointed First Major of Horse Cuirassiers in the regiment of Body Guards.
During the course of the war he greatly distinguished himself, in particular, by storming the City of Berlin, which he laid under contribution.

>>34335525
Always been tons of cuckservatives/leftists on /k/

I imagine a large amount of them are brainwashed vets who don't think whitey deserves a country because they married a spic.

When the war with Prussia was over, word reached O'Rourke that the Prussian King, Frederic the Great, impressed with his gallantry, sought his counsel.

Advised by his fellow Russian officers not to go to this meeting with the enemy, O'Rourke remarked that “A man who was a brave enemy could not be a dangerous friend.”

So he picked his way towards Berlin where he was graciously received by Frederick and presented with a diamond-studded sword. Frederick inquired how the Count could possibly have believed he could defeat Berlin, to which O'Rourke replied, “If ordered by my commanding officer to storm the heights of Heaven, I would have made the attempt.”

James Graham (1791–1845) was an Irish non-commissioned officer (NCO) in the British Army during the Napoleonic wars, recognised as the "bravest man in the army". Serving in the Coldstream Guards, he was commended for his gallantry during the defence of Hougoumont, at Waterloo

Nowadays the Irishman, Peter Edmund Lacy, born in Limerick, is considered one of Russia’s greatest generals.

He first came to prominence at the battle of Poltava, when as commander of the Polotsk regiment, he gave valuable advice to Tsar Peter I. He suggested that the Russian troops were opening fire too early on their enemies and should allow the Swedish troops to come much closer before engaging them. This tactic played an important role in the Russian victory.

In 1737 the Russian-Irish general was instructed to take the Crimea. Two previous attempts had been unsuccessful. However Lacy was an astute judge of weather and tides and this allowed him to march his army across previously impenetrably flooded territory to take the Turkish garrison at the fortress of Perekop.

>>34329201
>The only reason the North won is because...

Lee was stupid enough to try and invade the north, first, and the south was stupid enough to try and fight a conventional war, second.

Did you know an Irish general captured Finland for the Russians?

Yup. Really.

Two Irish Commandos fought alongside the Boers against the British forces during the Second Boer War (1899–1902).

Daniel Florence O'Leary was a military general and aide-de-camp under Simón Bolívar

At the Battle of Bunker Hill (June 17, 1775), 698 Irish were present. Washingtons head of artillery was Irish as was the first commissioned captain in the continental navy.

What nation has distinguished itself in all ranks in war more than Ireland?

Not everyone in the south was a land owner or a slave owner. The whites fighting to preserve the system of slavery save for maybe the rich officers were literally fighting for a system they would never be a part of. I'm guessing after 4 years the ones still alive would have little to no will left to pick up a rifle and fight for a rich man that could have cared less what happened to them.

Pages in category "Irish soldiers in the Austrian Army"

The following 12 pages are in this category, out of 12 total. This list may not reflect recent changes

Category:Irish soldiers in the Austrian Army

>>34335676
Fuck the north and south in the US civil war.

To the Irish. It was just another war off in some backwater in an endless list of same..

How many foreigners died for Ireland?
None.
Don't ask why they are neutral. Should be fucking obvious

>>34328958
money....or lack there of

Far more memorable, however, far more important, was the ever-glorious day of Fontenoy—a name which to this day thrills the Irish heart with pride. Of this great battle—fought May 11, 1745—in which the Irish Brigade turned the fortunes of the day, and saved the honor of France

http://www.libraryireland.com/Atlas/LXXV-Irish-Brigade-Fontenoy.php

>>34335348
Yeah I mean you could be disingenuous and just decide that you don't like hearing about stuff that happened sure

>>34329644

+1 on this the North was way too nice to the Southerns that had a direct hand in the war. All the officers, presidents cabinet, and slave holders regardless of race should have all been hung as traitors. Made an example of for future generations.

>>34335752
"Like lions leaping at a fold when mad with hunger's pang,
Right up against the English line the Irish exiles sprang.
Bright was their steel, 'tis bloody now, their guns are filled with gore;
Through shattered ranks, and severed piles, and trampled flags they tore;
The English strove with desperate strength, paused, rallied, staggered, fled—
The green hillside is matted close with dying and with dead.
Across the plain and far away passed on that hideous wrack,
While cavalier and fantassin dash in upon their track.
On Fontenoy, on Fontenoy, like eagles in the sun,
With bloody plumes the Irish stand—the field is fought and won!"

https://neverfeltbetter.wordpress.com/2015/09/09/irelands-wars-culloden/


Colloden

Irish and Royal Scot troops covered the withdrawal of the Highlanders, preventing a total massacre at the expense of most of their casualties suffered in the fighting.

Both sides of the Spanish civil war.....Irish.

But there had been Irish regiments in Spain since the 1700s

Fighting for the king of Poland in 1600 , seven companies of...Irish.

File: 80_small_1284049383.jpg (12KB, 200x279px) Image search: [Google]

12KB, 200x279px

The pope’s Irish battalion, 1860

Major Myles O’Reilly (1825–80)—in command of the Irish unit, newly christened the Battalion of St Patrick.

Lieutenant Colonel Robert Blair "Paddy" Mayne DSO & Three Bars (11 January 1915 – 14 December 1955) was an Ulster British Army soldier, Ireland rugby union international, lawyer, amateur boxer and a founding member of the Special Air Service (SAS).

What other nation can match the glory in arms of Irish born men?

Gallipoli


But the plan went badly wrong. The beach was heavily defended by Turkish troops, and as they opened fire, shells from their German-supplied pom-pom guns began "hitting off the ship and tearing people to pieces", according to one Irish veteran. The sea turned red from the slaughter.

More fusiliers attempted to land in small boats, and eventually 200 troops got ashore, but at a terrible price – the Irish troops sustained 90pc casualties in the attack.


The crew of the 'River Clyde' were so moved by the Irish soldiers' bravery that they later presented the ship's wheel and lantern to Munster Fusiliers

http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/heritage/the-somme-100-years-on-search-the-roll-call-of-the-irish-dead-1.2705780


WW1

The Somme 100 years on: Search the roll call of the Irish dead

A 10-year search came up with a definitive number: 29,464 Irish deaths

>>34335511
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVIfqsBokyE

fuck that grandpa shit, this is the new irish music

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/irish-soldiers-zulu-war-medal-goes-under-hammer-432760.html

THE medal awarded to Cork-born Private Michael Minihan — one of the defenders of Rorke’s Drift mission station during the Zulu War in 1879 — comes up at auction in London on December 8.

Irish surgeon and VC winner at roukes drift
Major Reynolds

“No. I was very, very lucky,” he said. “I got skin cancer from the radiation of the atomic bomb and I got leukaemia from being close to the bomb and I had 16 operations in my arm as a result of the beatings. Obviously, I had the stroke and brain haemorrhage. But apart from that, nothing really.”

The quote is paraphrased by Gary Lennon, director of A Doctor’s Sword, a documentary that somehow manages to make the unbelievable seem possible. Raised in Castletownbere, educated at Clongowes Wood, MacCarthy decided to join the British services after failing to find work as a doctor in Ireland.

“He was out with a few graduates in 1939 and they realised all the armed services were recruiting,” Lennon says. “They just pulled a waitress over and got her to flip a coin between army and air force and it landed on the air force. That’s how he decided.”

http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/film/the-greatest-irish-war-hero-you-ve-never-heard-of-aidan-maccarthy-1.2302233

>>34329509
TAXATION AND TRADE, YOU DAMN YANKEE SUMBITCH.

>>34335172
>Kek Irish independence those fucking apes cant last a week without trying to kill one another animals need masters. The little Leprecoons


“Courage has a brutal core.”
The Táin: From the Irish epic Táin Bó Cúailnge

File: DIXIE.png (16KB, 420x420px) Image search: [Google]

16KB, 420x420px

Cry harder, yanks

>>34335914
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWjzCFAAaw0

Mrs. McGrath is an Irish folk song set during the Peninsular War of the early 19th century. ... In the original song, Mrs. McGrath would rather have her "son as he used to be than the King of France and his whole navy."

>>34335996
>“No. I was very, very lucky,” he said. “I got skin cancer from the radiation of the atomic bomb and I got leukaemia from being close to the bomb and I had 16 operations in my arm as a result of the beatings. Obviously, I had the stroke and brain haemorrhage. But apart from that, nothing really.”


Kek.

>>34336037
>Cry harder, yanks

Ah you betrayed the irish that fought for the south and burnt down roman catholic churches. If there was a war against you I'd be collecting your ears.

>>34336099

I don't think you would though, the north is almost completely decimated culturally, where as the south still has strong elements of self-sovereignty. We have have blacks waving the confederate flag where I live and nobody cares.

If there's another war you won't be collecting anything, you lot aren't even allowed semi-auto guns in some states. Enjoy your liberal paradise.

>>34329644
>t. john "cuck cock prep team for the BBC" Brown internet defense farce.

>>34329813
we're still having bushwhackings and blood feuds from the damnyankee war.

we need to remove the eternal damnyankee scum

>>34336120
>We have have blacks waving the confederate flag where I live and nobody cares.

Everyone that doesn't live in or near a city is so goddamn pathetic. You literally live in your own world, you realize that right? The stuff you do on a daily basis is embarrassing?

>>34336150

I'll do whatever I damn well please on my property, collectivist scum. If I see hoity-toity liberals sneer at me I just laugh.

>>34330391
they sent their jews to lord over us, they took our food, taxed the shit out of us, took our land and sold it off to the damnyankee carpet baggers, and made shit a living hell.

we didnt get our rail lines up to prewar standards till the 1890's, and only really got to federal levels during the nazi war.

>suffer not the damnyankee to live

>>34328958
>this fucking thread...

anyways the South gave up because they were pretty much out of bodies. the Confederate armies were pretty much shattered by the time they surrendered.

there was a insurgency after the war, but it was pretty well suppressed during reconstruction.

>>34330599

It would have been bleeding kansas all over again times the entire south.

half the southern army was part negro. slave owners didnt see them as items, they lived with them, most slaves only worked half the week at best, and the rest of the time had his own trade to do, and either split the money with his master, or paid into his buying out. and if someone disrespected your slave, that was as bad as disrespecting you. slaves would baet the fuck out of each other for the others master talking shit about his own. most big rich southern families had a big gaggle of younguns running around including colored and mulatto children. there was no difference to how we treated our kids from the slaves. yankees dont know shit about the life down here, then or now.

>>34330976
>One officer was a slave owning native that no one bothered to listen to when he suggested guerilla warfare.
BASED STAND WATIE

>>34336164
you don't ever see them because nobody goes to where you live because you're unnecessary

>>34328958
Most of their army had been killed, they were losing land every day, and to put icing on the cake, Sherman burned down an entire city. They were kind of doomed from the start. Despite their superior generals and better train soldiers, there was just no way to beat the north's large industry and population.

>>34332210
>LINCOLN
>NOT HATING THE ETERNAL NEGRO
PICK ONE.

>>34336253

Necessary to what? A system that dehumanizes its subjects and wages foreign wars? One controlled by zionists and globalists? You'll understand one day. I do plenty well for myself and try my hardest to avoid paying more taxes than needed to that system.

>>34329497
This is mostly correct, but I'd hardly say the south had a "war machine". Sure, their generals were better and their soldiers were also better in general, but the south had almost no means of producing goods for the war effort, and no country wanted to support or trade with them as most of them had already outlawed slavery.

>>34336290
lol naaa you're just a sheltered fag

>>34328958

They never had a chance anyways and most families would rather not send their sons to fight what was quickly becoming a hopeless war. The north did a good job of culturally subduing them, but if the political divides continue you might see the south really push states rights and attempt a soft exit of the union.

>>34336307

>butthurt you still can't take our flags

>>34335806
Before that even, the 30 years war.

the last king of ireland was godson to the spanish crown.

>>34328958
The South was broken at the end of the war. Most men of fighting age were either dead or captured. It had lost many skilled officers. Its industrial infrastructure had been ripped to shreds and several of its major port cities had fallen to the Union.

The Confederacy was out of time and money. It had failed to gain a quick victory over the North. The South was not capable of waging an extended war against the North. It lacked the manpower and industrial base.

Some did continue to fight, but not for very long. Overall, the will of the Southern people had been broken.

>>34336337
lol i live in Texas, and you're still a fag

>>34336363
Irish regiments and commanders also these wars

The Opium wars (china)
New Zealand Wars
Aside from the two commandos that fought for the Boers also on the otherside in both Boer Wars
Also French Resistace, 56000 in Allied service in ww2 D-day etc etc
Spanish American wars of independence
William Brown (admiral) – "Father of the Argentine Navy"
John Deveroux – Commander of Irish Legion in Venezuela and New Granada.
Antonio Donovan (1849–1897) – General in Argentina
Juan MacKenna – Founder of the Military Corps of Engineers of the Chilean Army.
William Lamport – nicknamed El Zorro, The Fox, due to his exploits in Mexico
Cape Town Irish Volunteer Rifles
The Irish Regiment of Canada in the Second World War
etc etc etc etc etc

South African Irish Regiment Formed in 1914
Croatian Homeland War
Colonel Terry became the Colonel of a Venetian Dragoon Regiment, which the Terry family mostly commanded until 1797. Colonel Terry's Dragoons uniforms were red faced blue in the Irish tradition

>>34336502
yeah there were a bunch of the india and china wars of the EIC that were pretty much all irish. including the one against the dutch for pepper.

Francis Taffe relief of Vienna 1683

Every fucking war there in the middle of it there is an Irishman.

>>34329033
Complete horseshit

>>34330391
With a lot more dignity than they deserved. They should have all been culled from this Earth for their treason.

>>34330881
Maybe they shouldn't have murdered the one fucking guy that tried to save them from genocide?

Fuck the South. Selfish cunts.

>>34336546
>including the one against the dutch for pepper.

At least that's a decent reason. Unlike Gallipoli.
Australia
KIA 8709

Ireland
KIA4,000

New Zealand
KIA 2701

Funny it is part of the mythologies of Aus an NZ and the Irish don't commemorate it at all.

The Irish Guards
1918

WE’RE not so old in the Army List,
But we’re not so young at our trade,
For we had the honour at Fontenoy
Of meeting the Guards’ Brigade.
’Twas Lally, Dillon, Bulkeley, Clare, 5
And Lee that led us then,
And after a hundred and seventy years
We’re fighting for France again!
Old Days! The wild geese are flighting,
Head to the storm as they faced it before! 10
For where there are Irish there’s bound to be fighting,
And when there’s no fighting, it’s Ireland no more!
Ireland no more!

The fashion’s all for khaki now,
But once through France we went 15
Full-dressed in scarlet Army cloth,
The English—left at Ghent.
They’re fighting on our side to-day
But, before they changed their clothes,
The half of Europe knew our fame, 20
As all of Ireland knows!
Old Days! The wild geese are flying,
Head to the storm as they faced it before!
For where there are Irish there’s memory undying,
And when we forget, it is Ireland no more! 25
Ireland no more!

From Barry Wood to Gouzeaucourt,
From Boyne to Pilkem Ridge,
The ancient days come back no more
Than water under the bridge. 30
But the bridge it stands and the water runs
As red as yesterday,
And the Irish move to the sound of the guns
Like salmon to the sea.
Old Days! The wild geese are ranging, 35
Head to the storm as they faced it before!
For where there are Irish their hearts are unchanging,
And when they are changed, it is Ireland no more!
Ireland no more!

>>34333286
>Also, seriously, fuck the south. Imagine how US would look now without these fuckers importing massive amounts of niggers just because they were too cheap to hire white workers.

The irony is it's mostly Southerners who cry about Mexicans crossing the border to take their jerbs... jobs like working the feels and dairy farms. Jobs that white Americans don't want to do.

The only real competition for white Americans is in the construction business, and that's only because Southern and even some Northern whites are too fucking stupid to get an education beyond a high school diploma (if even that) and have to resort to strike a nail with a hammer. They're pathetic.

Its true the north would never have won without Irish soldiery

Did you know the Irish are credited with inventing the rebel yell?

Lets face it. The world would have been better if the south had just castrated every black slave starting in 1800.

That way you can still fuck the hot niggreses , gwt work out of the imports, but not breeding.


In 3 generations of white on black mixing the resulting population would havr been more docile, hard working, and physically strong.

Slavery is why we have so many "urban" problems.

If the south had not hrld onto slaves this would be a much whiter and better nation .

>>34335054
Lovely, and without and with the North's money the South would have no financiers and buyers for their shit. Why the fuck were Chicago and NY the major financial and trading markets throughout American history? This is basic fucking supply and demand you home schooled retard.

Go ahead and tell me how you would have just sold stuff to Mexico and Europe, you monkey!

S. C. Gwynne quotes Stonewall Jackson at First Bull Run asking his infantry to attack 14th New York: "Reserve your fire until they come within 50 yards, then fire and give them the bayonet, and when you charge, yell like Furies." The 33rd Virginia had just taken Union guns on Henry Hill. Company E consisted of the Emerald Guard, Irish volunteers. Gwynne claims the rebel yell was first heard during this charge. Company E may have initiated the yell.

This is brilliant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZqN1glz4JY

>>34336652
Americans don't do those jobs because tax free illegals depress the pay to levels where a citizen who actually pays into the system can't live on it. Agriculture businesses can't stop hiring cheap Mexican labor that screws over Americans because everyone else is doing it to. They won't be price competitive.

>>34328958
>>34328958
>Why did the South give up after only 4 years?

MASSIVE attrition in a horrific sustained bloody hard fought war. The advances and tactics of the civil war were fucking horrific.

>The Irish fought for their independence for 800 years

Skirmishes, feudalism, and terrorism, in that order. It was more of a sustained insurgency than a single, endless and unrelenting war.

The Irish rebellions were a nuisance to the crown and uprisings were quelled, and deals struck pretty rapidly. Easy to send a garrison a few hundred kilometers to kill some peasant farmers. Not so easy to keep Virginians from rampaging over the mountains into Kentucky with cannons and minie ball muskets.

>>34336037
>>34336120

Ah, so lovely. I'm the yankee-ist of the "yanks," born in NYC. I support Mexicans crossing your border, and the Muslim refugees invading your towns. You seen, I've lived in NYC all my life, with the most diverse society in history and through history, and know that the world will not come to an end. But you cunts are scared shitless when darkies roll in and occupy your empty streets and fix the crumbling buildings of your dead end towns that were too inept to come along with new technology and innovation.

And don't fool yourself, I'm sure I have better guns than you.

But sorry to burst your bubble, I will never have to use them as your fantasy wet dream of a new civil or race war will never happen. Now go fuck your fat slob sister.

File: mkrsoe.gif (168KB, 586x346px) Image search: [Google]

168KB, 586x346px

>>34336730
The Emerald Guard was formed in and around the town of New Market during May and early June of 1861. It was organized by a thirty-four year old Shenandoah County native named Marion Marye Sibert. and as it's name implied was formed from the Irish laborers that worked in the Valley when the War began. The company would become was among the most colorful and volatile companies of the famed "Stonewall Brigade". "In their adopted sector," one historian would write, "the Sons of Erin did not mesh easily with their conservative neighbors, most of whom were of German and Scotch-Irish descent. The Celts' predilection for hard liquor and their affinity for world-class brawling at the least provocation engendered a definite air of notoriety.

The Emerald Guard
Company "E" Thirty-third Virginia Infantry.

File: america 3.jpg (16KB, 236x235px) Image search: [Google]

16KB, 236x235px

>>34329644
I'm amazed at how you people can't seem to grasp that the war was not about purely economics and politics. The fact that it was focused on slavery doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. The war was fought so that rich people could continue to be rich despite democracy.

>North begin making motions for the abolition of slavery
>The abolition of slavery would hit the southern economy and social status-quo like a wrecking ball
>Wouldn't make a lick of difference to the common man in the South
>Southern plantation owners and politicians knee-jerk react
>federal government does nothing to calm everyone
>secessions begin
>feds respond with force and invade the South
>Southern politicians spin propaganda about states rights and yankee invaders to the common man
>northern politicians and the feds feed propaganda about unity and freedom
>Now regular citizens on both sides have a reason to hate each other
>North literally starts pillaging and burning towns, salting land, etc
>More fuel for the Confederate propaganda machine
>the south is not capable of meeting the manufacturing demands of this war and they lose because of it
>Hundreds of thousands of southerns who were too poor to ever own slaves die in a pointless civil war
>rich white plantation owners and politicians continue to be rich
>Now everyone in the south is even poorer and the slaves get dumped on the streets to be in poverty with everyone else
>now deep seated racial divides exist in our country 150 years later that unnecessarily polarize every facet of our daily lives

And we have people who act like every confederate soldier was a violent nigger hanging racist who willing left his family and home to die of an infected gunshot in a muddy field because that was preferable to Africans not being enslaved. When in reality, a bunch of rich important people couldn't bear the idea of being slightly less rich and important so they made poo people die to try and stop that. Same as it is today.

Irish second World War veteran given France’s highest honour

Pat Gillen was among first wave of troops to invade Sword beach on June 6th, 1944
“By the grace of God, I survived to be here today while many of my friends sleep in the fields of France, ” he added. “I feel both extremely honoured and humbled in receiving the Chevalier de la Legion d’Honneur conferred on me by President (Francois) Hollande and the government of France.”

Mr Gillen, whose father and two uncles fought in France during the first World War and who lost two cousins there in the second World War, had planned to return to Normandy this year for the 70th anniversary.

However, he said he was “grounded” by ill health.

Instead, he penned a poignant message to his fallen comrades on a laurel handmade by his daughter Mary – decorated with poppies and an Irish tricolor ribbon – with the tribute: “In memory of all commandos from the emerald island who lie in sleep in Normandy fields.”

File: image.jpg (35KB, 620x330px) Image search: [Google]

35KB, 620x330px

The documentary about the son of a volunteer in the Easter Rising who went on to become a celebrated RAF ace in the second World War

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-34246848
This week 75 years ago, the future of Europe hung by a thread over the skies of southern England as the Battle of Britain came to a climax.

Pilots from the UK, the Commonwealth, the US and countries invaded by Germany were involved. They were joined by a handful of volunteers from Ireland.

Among them was Brendan Finucane from Dublin, also known as Spitfire Paddy.

By the time of his death, he had become a hero across Britain and in Irish America.

What makes the story of Wing Commander Paddy Finucane all the more unusual is that his father had fought alongside future Irish President Eamon De Valera in the 1916 Easter Rising when republicans rose against British rule in Ireland.

>>34336798
It's a capitalist system and the invisible hand of market forces sets the pace. Once again, morns were incapability of adjusting to the new paradigm. If that was "illegal Mexicans" they couple have made them legal and taxed them. Or worked out a foreign employment contract that effectively compensated the Gov of the "tax" which you apparently think is the only or most important thing surrounding this issue. Hint, it's NOT. Smart people can and could have figured it out.

But greedy capitalist figured out another way to avoid that, why compensate the gov when they can get the gov to reimburse them for their losses? Or simply import products from outside the US. There is a bigger scale. It would take hours to explain this to you, but you should have learned all this shit in Economics and Finance courses in COLLEGE!

Instead of you simplistic Southern History "textbooks"

>>34336798
lol yeah im sure big blonde football player next door who drives a mustang his dad bought him wants to be a migrant field worker

The United States should just nuke the Southern States and start over.

In one, Finucane said he was proud of his Irish blood and concerned to see it pouring out of him after he was "shot up".

"The cockpit was awash with blood. It was not until I was feeling a bit sick and dizzy did it dawn on me that it was my blood!" he said.

"It was good Dublin blood which, I thought, should not be wasted.

Stance

"How I even managed to land without a crack-up will never be known. The luck of the Irish triumphed that day."


The Irish do honour to war. They have no rivals.

>>34336852
this and you know what fuck all these niggers who flock to tumblr and bully whites everyday i'm so sick of fucking niggers it makes my blood boil to see these fags mouthing off about shit they don't know about niggers are sooo fucking lame and they know it

>>34336941
>"It was good Dublin blood which, I thought, should not be wasted.

kek

File: Screen-shot-2013-05-14-at-4_33_10-PM.jpg (80KB, 571x376px) Image search: [Google]

80KB, 571x376px

http://irishamerica.com/2013/05/seoul-celebrates-irish-korean-war-heroes/

Seoul Celebrates Irish Korean War Heroes

There were 159 Irish casualties throughout the course of the war, as a number of Irishmen fought with British and UN forces. Seven Irish Columban priests and an Anglican nun, Sister Mary Clare Witty, also died during the conflict.

File: hussar2.jpg (18KB, 245x279px) Image search: [Google]

18KB, 245x279px

Kim

Father Victor stepped forward quickly and opened the front of Kim's upper garment.
'You see Bennett he's not very black. What's your name?'
'Kim.'
'Or Kimball?'
'Perhaps. Will you let me go away?'
'What else?'
'They call me Kim Rishti Ke. That is Kim of the Rishti.'
'What is that - "Rishti"?'
'Eye-rishti - that was the regiment - my father's.'
'Irish - oh, I see.'

(from Kim, by Rudyard Kipling)

from the beginnings of British involvement in India, the archetypal Irishman on the sub-continent was neither missionary nor merchant, neither doctor nor administrator, but soldier. C. J. O'Donnell's claim in 1913 that "India was the great prize of a Gaelic-speaking army recruited by the East India Company exclusively in Ireland under Irish generals" was, no doubt, grossly exaggerated: but it did contain a modicum of fact, for Irish soldiers and Irish generals had made (and continued to make) a disproportionate contrbution to the 'steel frame' around which the Raj was built.

>>34329201
Going to have to agree with the leftists, you guys are delusional white trash who got hooked into a civil war by rich elitists like fucking sheep. I now don't feel bad about them tearing down your southern monuments.

But luckily you white trash confederates are a minority in the south now due to all the real patriotic Americans that consist of the south.

Go drink yourself to death and rid the world of your pathetic kind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtzEaWc36lw

File: tmp_5588-25edb98ca90a7893d130516d33f97eea268404688.jpg (10KB, 350x275px) Image search: [Google]

10KB, 350x275px

>>34336925
>repeat my point but longer with poor spelling
>add points I never made
>COLLEGE u dum

I never denied the problem was systemic. Your confidence with the subject combined with the noted issues makes me suspect you're sitting high upon mount stupid.

>>34336925
What? Maybe in a post scarcity society... You don't really know as much as you think you know, so stop talking.

File: kavanagh2.jpg (11KB, 200x151px) Image search: [Google]

11KB, 200x151px

Irish soldiers, both in Irish regiments (the 75th Foot, the 53rd Foot, the 60th Foot, the 101st Foot, the 86th Foot and especially the 88th Foot—the Connaught Rangers) and in the East India Company forces, were much involved in the various battles and storms (notably the relief of Lucknow, the attack upon Jhansi, and the assault on Delhi) that brought the rebellion to a bloody end.

Lucknow Kavanagh At a critical time during the siege of Lucknow, when a relief force was said to be nearing the city, a tall Irish postal worker, Thomas Henry Kavanagh, volunteered to slip out of the Residency, make contact with the relief force and guide it back through the city to the compound. Kavanagh had gained a reputation for courage in the underground battles during the siege and his offer was accepted. Although over six feet tall and with red hair, he was disguised as a native. Kavanagh made his way past checkpoints, swam the river Gomti and made contact with the British army. He was awarded the Victoria Cross and acquired the nick-name "Lucknow" Kavanagh. The picture on the left shows Kavanagh (in dark jacket) with officers of the 1st Bengal Fusiliers, who had a long history in India. They later became the Munster Fusiliers

"The principal part in the capture of Delhi was played by a comic Irish sergeant who appeared to have emancipated himself from all discipline and - perhaps with unmerited distrust of the powers of the regulation rifle - went into action armed with a shillelagh. Among other feats, he danced the jig without hat or bonnet under the mid-day Indian sun - an act of daring which alone should have sufficed to procure him the Victoria Cross."

>>34336933
Because thats every american...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9ffXnJQ0xE

Charles Napier
The Napiers were a famous military family, one branch of which came to live in Oakley Park House, Celbridge, Co. Meath, in 1788. They had eight children and two of their sons, William and Charles, became world famous. They were first cousins of Lord Edward Fitzgerald from Carton House, Maynooth, who died a rebel in the United Irishmen Rising of 1798.
Charles Napier was a lieutenant in the army at the age of 13 years. He served with distinction in the Peninsular war but it was in the army in India that he was to achieve fame. He outraged his family by returning home from a long campaign in Greece with two daughters, born of an alliance with a Greek woman. Now in his sixties, he had made no secret of the fact that he had accepted command in India only to make enough money to see his daughters properly married. He was a superior strategist, always conquering with a minimum of British losses, and he also proved to be a remarkable pacifier, who brought a measure of good government to an area that had been periodically robbed by predatory hill tribes. Throughout the Sind he was known as "the Devil's brother". He was subsequently knighted and became Commander-in-Chief of the army of India, before returning home with his invalid wife.

The Irish to honour to war Germans can only dream of

"War-dogs hungry and grey,
Gnawing a naked bone,
Fighters in every clime,
Every cause but their own."

Was there a war anywhere worth a damn in the last thousand years that did not pay tribute to the glory of Irishmen in arms?

File: pg-33-beckett-1-rex.jpg (136KB, 1368x1026px) Image search: [Google]

136KB, 1368x1026px

Seventy years after they fought, spied, sabotaged and – in some cases – died for France, 50 Irish men and women who worked for the French Resistance were officially recognised for the first time yesterday, at a subdued but moving ceremony in the Irish College in Paris. Oct 7, 2014]]Pic related Beckett the famous Irish writer who fought with the resistance

>>34329774
we gotta give this one a good name ya know

>>34328958
>Why did the South give up after only 4 years? The Irish fought for their independence for 800 years


So to finally answer your question OP (and there are hundreds more wars and units) The Bitish picked [ossibly the worst nation in the universe to occupy. Following the Irish gaining independence themselves the Bristish empire rapisly collapsed.(only the US public supported them, the Irish delegation was turned away at the treaty of Versailles seeking freedom)

The Irish will never never forget that aside from the USA not a single nation that Irishmen spilled they blood for aided Ireland in those days. Not the French, Spanish, Scots, South Africans, Argentines, Venezuelans. None of them. So Ireland is now neutral and only deploys in peacekeeping missions in e.g the Lebanon, the congo, Cyprus etc etc EOD in ISAF etc.

To compare the southern states with Ireland in military culture and warmaking is like comparing an autistic air softer with Patton.

>>34330582
target aquired

We declare the right of the people of Ireland to the ownership of Ireland and to the unfettered control of Irish destinies, to be sovereign and indefeasible. The long usurpation of that right by a foreign people and government has not extinguished the right, nor can it ever be extinguished except by the destruction of the Irish people. In every generation the Irish people have asserted their right to national freedom and sovereignty; six times during the past three hundred years they have asserted it in arms. Standing on that fundamental right and again asserting it in arms in the face of the world, we hereby proclaim the Irish Republic as a Sovereign Independent State, and we pledge our lives and the lives of our comrades in arms to the cause of its freedom, of its welfare, and of its exaltation among the nations.

>>34330651
couldn't have said it better

>>34328958
the irish would have 100 years of peace until they would revolt again

the south was overrun and 25 percent of white men got killed in the war

no one left to fight

>>34337053
Ooooh you mean like after The End Of The World As We Know It and The Shit Hits The Fan and boolits will be the new currency. Fuck off you twat.

File: cat bowl of water.jpg (75KB, 676x581px) Image search: [Google]

75KB, 676x581px

>>34329201
>we

File: MI-new-Michael-Collins-army.jpg (114KB, 710x450px) Image search: [Google]

114KB, 710x450px

The man who won Irish Freedom

General Michael Collins

“He was an Irish patriot, true and fearless… When in future times the Irish Free State is not only prosperous and happy, but an active and annealing force… regard will be paid by widening circles to his life and to his death…

Winston Churchill on Collins

His Funeral (murdered by the IRA traitors)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0huRx8Ggshc

One of the most remarkable and most unknown warriors in history.

RIP

"By God They Do Glory to war"

>>34331588
>south secedes over slavery
>reee the war had nothing to do with slaves
Sherman didn't do enough

>>34335172
>Kek Irish independence those fucking apes cant last a week without trying to kill one another animals need masters. The little Leprecoons


KYS.

>>34336811
>>The Irish fought for their independence for 800 years Skirmishes, feudalism, and terrorism, in that order. It was more of a sustained insurgency than a single, endless and unrelenting war.The Irish rebellions were a nuisance to the crown and uprisings were quelled, and deals struck pretty rapidly. Easy to send a garrison a few hundred kilometers to kill some peasant farmers. Not so easy to keep Virginians from rampaging over the mountains into Kentucky with cannons and minie ball muskets.


American Revolution (1775-1783)
Battle deaths 4,435

Irish Rising 1798
10000-50000 deaths. Consensus is about 25000

You have it in reverse. The US war of independence was a far away colonial war with relativey little bloodshed. And battles such as the Boyne, the Catholic Confederacy were some of the largest fought in Europe.

So you are wrong. That is not your fault

the person spamming all this paddy shite best be irish. if its an american with "muh irish blood heritage" then it is truly pathetic

>>34337742
>best be irish

Sure am and in the tradition of the Irishmen in this thread. There is nothing worthy of being compared to Ireland as a nation so it is incomparable. Is it the fashion now to be ashamed of your nation where you come from?

File: 0aacaca.jpg (25KB, 480x360px) Image search: [Google]

25KB, 480x360px

>>34337742

>>34332733
>Federal Property
>US Army invades its own base
Southern education everyone.

>>34328958
They didn't want the redistribution of their land.

>>34336607
The very same type of cunts that make-up the Democratic party today.

>>34336925
>It would take hours to explain this to you, but you should have learned all this shit in Economics and Finance courses in COLLEGE!
Community college economics taught by a third wave male feminist who spends his weekend taking it up the ass from his black boyfriend is not the same as the higher education you accuse us of not having.

File: mwf I see the confederate navy.jpg (85KB, 334x250px) Image search: [Google]

85KB, 334x250px

>>34336037
nice brown water navy southern fag, hows the blockade treating you?
*laughs in damn the torpedoes*

File: 1488774793708.jpg (111KB, 368x329px) Image search: [Google]

111KB, 368x329px

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCWW-3lQURA

Suck it inbreds you guys are literally losing your history before your very eyes.

>muh irish

those worthless potato niggers have done little of consequence

>>34338315
I mean some have, but only in service to other countries

>>34338315
>those worthless potato niggers have done little of consequence

Stop projecting. You are in a thread on the US civil war where a 1/4 million or so Irish born people fought. Yet they did nothing. So the US civil war was an irrelevance? Possibly but that still leaves a shit load more. There is no greater distilled ignorance than that of undesirable white thrash lapsed protestants repeating the failed mantras of their servant class grandparent heard at a dinner table while picking up the dishes.

Reading this thread reminded me of what my old us history professor told us.

Isn't owning a slave a bit expensive compared to just paying $1.25 an hour to Johnny Irish or any other guy?
With a slave or so, you have to build housing, pay for ingredients for food for them and your family, medical (because can't have the slave keel over mid pick from some sickness that can cripple him or her or cause delays) as well as pay the guys who chase after the escaped ones, who then might severely rough up the slave on capture, reducing the amount of cash crop gathered as/if he recovers?
On top of that, if that slave dies, you have to pay to get another one that is healthy.

With Johnny Irish or another guy wanting work, you just have to pay his wages for the week and the rest falls on him when he heads home for the day.

>>34338500
>Johnny Irish

The red spinning light that signals a pretentious British chav has just hit 1000RPM, I already know your great grandparents were illiterate.

>>34338565
US actually, I couldn't think of anything else other than "Johnny Reb".
The professor used that term a lot and it always surfaces and refuses to leave when I think about that class and some of the lectures he gave when the Civil War swung around.

No need to get so riled up about that.

>>34329201

>MUH K:D RATIO

When will you fucking manchildren realize that killcounts are ultimately irrelevant when you're facing an enemy with superior industry, strategy, economy, and overall more prepared for war than a bunch of inbred hillbillies ever would be?

>>34336813
Yea why have a country or a society or anything like that
Lets just all live in large cosmopolitan cities where whites are 10% of the population, and only a massive police force prevents you from being slaughtered.

Fucking retard

Because the south went to war over "states rights" when the only right being limited was slavery.

Then they foolishly hoped for assistance from countries that abhorred slavery.

Lincoln made the war about slavery to punish the south. First by ostracizing them in the stage and then making their worst fear come true.

If any of the knuckle dragging southerners had thought for a min about it they would have kept slavery alive for at least four more years in the slave states. Loosing only the right to spread the practice west.

>>34338315
If your reading this thank the Irish. They saved western civilization during the dark ages. Look it up.

>>34329201
>The North won or the same reason the Republican party struggles today

These mental gymnastics...maybe because they come up with policies based only on religious people's inferiority complex? Or pure corporate greed?

>>34336253
>rural america is unnecessary
What is food?
This is the problem with urbanites. They literally cannot comprehend where the shit they guzzle comes from.

>>34336813
>Cityfag
Hrm. Where does your food come from, dipshit?

>>34329011
>le civil war was over slavery

>>34337507
>south secedes over slavery
False, the south succeed because of unapportion economic legislation imposed by the north.
It would be like New York and California wanting the rest of the US to pay for their debts because they can't manage money, then telling them that they can't use out dated machinery because reasons.

>>34328958
Because for the majority of their time in England/UK the Irish weren't represented in Parliament, couldn't vote, couldn't own land, couldn't receive an education and couldn't work certain jobs. They also faced repeated genocide.
Meanwhile the Confederacy had 12 of their favorite burgers taken and got a good spanking.

>>34341299
>doesn't know that the south marched into Antietam

>>34341137
do you know where food comes from? I've lived in really country areas and they do not make food. The one I lived in was an abandoned mining town.

>>34341204
Read the articles of separation

>>34341343
>The people of Virginia, in their ratification of the Constitution of the United States of America, adopted by them in Convention on the twenty-fifth day of June, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-eight, having declared that the powers granted under the said Constitution were derived from the people of the United States, and might be resumed whensoever the same should be perverted to their injury and oppression; and the Federal Government, having perverted said powers, not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, but to the oppression of the Southern Slaveholding States.
Seems like they're sticking up for slave owners but it's about Federal overreach. Context is important, anon-kun. Slave owners make up far less than 1%. It was about federal over reach and economic legislation.

File: Map_of_American_Civil_War_in_1864.svg.png (1MB, 3965x1980px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 3965x1980px

Because this were the frontlines 1864.

>>34336925
>incapability of adjusting to the new paradigm
stopped reading there.

you re a faggot and a retard, find new jobs where there are none in other words?

Daily reminder that the largest group of Southern slave owners was Jews

>>34341335
Yes, urbanfag, I do. Are you stupid enough to think that all rural areas produce food?
Are you stupid enough to think that ANY city/urban areas produce food? Show me them crops of corn and wheat in the highrises! Show me them herds o cattle in the apartment complexes!

Idiot who can't think - you.

>>34341563
Food production is more tied with an immigration debate than a lame one like this.

File: 1496027024673.jpg (58KB, 584x584px) Image search: [Google]

58KB, 584x584px

>>34337933
>attacking your own base
Northern warfare education everyone.

>>34341563
>Are you stupid enough to think that ANY city/urban areas produce food?
I'm not that anon and mostly on your side, but urban areas produce a surprising amount of food.
>https://www.greenbiz.com/article/urban-farms-now-produce-15-worlds-food
It's not sustainable without traditional methods of food production, the quality is shotty, and the nutrient value is questionable, but they did figure out how to do it.

>>34332422
Conf.fags are still sour they lost.

The confederates were nothing more than a bunch of retarded slave owners trying to abuse their cotton monopoly, which backfired spectacularly.

The whole "south vs north" is a retarded way of looking at the war, since the "south" isnt a real nation. It was nothing more than separatism.

>>34342089
>i don't understand history
why are there so many summerfags on this board

>>34341714
>https://www.greenbiz.com/article/urban-farms-now-produce-15-worlds-food
Hrm, thanks Anon, that's interesting!

>>34341597
No sure what rural area food production has to do with immigration. You apparently aren't either.
Thanks for playing though!

>>34342148
Mexicans play a large role in farming.

>>34342103
>>34342103

If you dont understand history then maybe you should read a book or two.

>le summerfag boogeyman

>>34342203
(you)

>>34342214

Not an argument la.

>>34329708
t. squinting as i type this

>>34342239
The North held slaves long after the war and were the first to own them. It was an economic power play and they almost lost. The south, at one point in the war, had troops just miles outside of Washington D.C.
>https://youtu.be/c-W5fGCAzOk?t=12m5s
>http://www.historynet.com/the-union-at-risk-how-lincoln-and-grant-nearly-lost-the-war-in-1864.htm

>>34342290

Revisionism isnt an argument lad.

>>34334052
>South hasn't recovered
>texas miracle.

Get fucked yankee.

>>34342338
>Revisionism isnt an argument lad.
>well known history with many credible sources is now revision
Last (you) for the circular fag.

>>34342344
Texas never really wanted to join the South in their shitty idea. Texas was most likely to become a Republic again and become a anti-slave state.

Bubba - 0
Cowboy -1

Frankly I wish slavery never happened. Too many niggers in the US because of it.

Remember kids, the value of doing it yourself.

>>34342344

Has nothing to do with oil amirite?

>>34342346

Youre getting btfo in this thread harder than the faggots back in 1865. Time to call it a day Cleetus.

>>34342155
Why did you even bother responding, now he's going to think it was me and it'll make him feel like he is worthy.

>>34342355
Good point actually. Houston was anti-slavery iirc.

I retract my point. Fuck Mississippi btw. Kentucky and Tennessee are cool tho.

>>34342360
Oil and recently leaching everyone elses workers from their states and incentives to move businesses into the state. Honestly makes me laugh at how hard Texas cucks California regularly.

>>34342369
He's some bored summerfag that has been trolling this entire thread. Why did you even comment on this thread to begin with if you didn't want to feed and get entertained by the (((Troll))))

>>34341175
>he doesn't think the civil war was over slavery
muh states rights (the right to have slaves)

>>34342378
don't mess with Texas

>>34339836
>Because the south went to war over "states rights" when the only right being limited was slavery.

No, that's wrong for one important fact involving the 3/5ths compromise. How is representation in one house of congress calculated? Population. Thus if slavery was abolished peacefully; then, the overall voting power of the south would have actually INCREASED. However, the personal fortune of the wealthy was what was in jeopardy as they could not be as profitable without slave labor.

So the civil war was about money.

>Then they foolishly hoped for assistance from countries that abhorred slavery.
So true... JD was even thinking of giving up slavery to get foreign help but fucking chickened out because how the fuck could he justify that when his VP's cornerstone speech literally was shitting out that blacks=shit.

>Lincoln made the war about slavery to punish the south.
Lincoln hated slavery, but loved the Union more... The South did it to themselves by being impatient and choosing secession in 1860-61 rather than 1864. Four more years of preparation, money, and politics would have changed the outcome. The Corwin Amendment would of insulated slavery from constitutional amendment and legislative action. It even had 3 for sure ratifacations that were northern and one southern to hold the Union together with Lincoln commenting basically that as much as he hated slavery he would stomach it for the sake of the Union. Yeah. for serious.

Because of the Corwin Amenment being ratified in states that had not seceded, and were anti-slavery Lincoln HAD to make the emancipation proclamation, the 10% plan, and 13th amendment work because of a totally fucked up weird reality where NORTHERN states had laws on the books saying they could not interfere with slavery or other "states rights" issues in other states.
Lincoln capitalized on the South's mistake and basically assured this wouldn't be argued again by cutting everyone off at the knees.

all else.... totally true.

Its hilarious how none of you fucks have drawn a parallel to the gun rights front today as it is.
>North says No!
>South says Yes!
>[Angry Cat Noises]

Just swap guns and slaves

>>34342290
>The south, at one point in the war, had troops just miles outside of Washington D.C.

And they still managed to lose. Vae victis! :^)

>>34341422

context is important... How about the VP of CSA literally saying that the Civil war was about slavery. About the negro being subservient to the superior white man?

You know the CORNERSTONE SPEECH? Made March 21 1861

https://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~ras2777/amgov/stephens.html

Text in the link.

Okie doke. It might not of been about slavery, but the economic benefit it reaped to a small portion of the population.

>>34328958
>Literally a /pol/ topic
>still hasn't been pruned
WTF mods?

File: maxresdefault (2).jpg (147KB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

147KB, 1280x720px

>>34342505
/pol/ is for these slimy little toads

>>34342451

The difference being that there is a constitutional amendment assuring that I may own guns. Not so much with the slaves.

>>34342532
They were considered private property back then which was protected by the constitution[I believe? Maybe?] But thats just dick waggling at this point. There are still politicians who want to scrub it

>>34342432
Texas over all.

>>34335669
None.

>>34330599
This. Guerilla warfare is all well and good, but Sherman was an evil genius.

>>34329201
"I couldn't know less about the Civil War" The Post

>>34335536
/k/ has always been shit.

>>34328958
Southern "men" are weak and pathetic. Northern intellectuals are too much to handle for peasant plebs.

>>34341151
You tell me, shithead.

I'd love to hear this...

File: GO.jpg (137KB, 717x880px) Image search: [Google]

137KB, 717x880px

>>34341175
>le
get out

>>34342391
Not a summerfag, but yes, been bored by this entire thread.
I do find it hilarious that people think that slave labor (or even cheap immigrant labor) is actually good for the economy. It isn't; it actually reduces infrastructure spending (on automated/machine harvesting, in particular) and leads to lower economic gains in the long run.
Basically, slavery was very bad for the economy, and immigrant labor is also worse for the economy than spending the capital up front on expensive machine harvesters.

The availability of cheap immigrant labor hurts the southern economy.

Not only with farming, but also road building and many other ares. But you think we can get anyone to invest? Fuck no, it would make long term profit sense but not short term, and sadly, that appears to be all some people care about.

>>34343838
>a real response
Well Well Well. About time.
>I do find it hilarious that people think that slave labor (or even cheap immigrant labor) is actually good for the economy. It isn't; it actually reduces infrastructure spending (on automated/machine harvesting, in particular) and leads to lower economic gains in the long run.
This is a false statement. There are, undoubtedly, industries that benefit from slave labor and some that don't.
>Basically, slavery was very bad for the economy, and immigrant labor is also worse for the economy than spending the capital up front on expensive machine harvesters.
Picking cotton is still done by hand for a good reason. While there are machines, it's not always profitable to use them.
>The availability of cheap immigrant labor hurts the southern economy.
Don't disagree. It's hurting the Californian economy right now.
>But you think we can get anyone to invest? Fuck no, it would make long term profit sense but not short term, and sadly, that appears to be all some people care about.
You're talking about Macro Economics and Societal investment. That's done my major banks and federal governments. You have to get the commies out for that to become a thing.

>>34344031
>you finally gave me something interesting to reply to
>Picking cotton
False. It is almost all machine harvested in the US. Other countries that are backwards still hand pick, but like almost everything else, cheap labor is less efficient, and thus less economically viable and desirable in the long term, than machine harvesting.

You are also missing an important point.
>There are, undoubtedly, industries that benefit from slave labor
These would be? And they benefit from slave labor over mechanized methodology? I'd like to see some facts and figures that support this. I suppose there might be some edge cases, but as a general statement, it is true: Slave labor and cheap immigrant labor is less economically optimal than machine harvesting.

>That's done my major banks and federal governments. You have to get the commies out for that to become a thing.

No, it really isn't. If I could afford automated road building equipment, I could provide road construction at a lower cost and faster completion time than the current manual methods used in the south today. This is private industry (working on state contracts, but hey). However, cronyism and corruption prevent contracts, and short-sighted politicians and investors only care about profits now, not long term.

>>34343838
cheap immigrant labor is a reason for our high GDP, it is falling because we are running out of that cheap labor. Try paying attention in class sometime.

>>34336221
Ohhh yah, i'm sure some modern hick like you knows how blacks were treated over 100 years ago. Fuck off with your lies, just stop it. Try and realize your the piece of shit sub-human you think blacks are and are actively contributing to the death of America with your ignorant racist diatribes.

>>34339783
>not having a 100% homogeneous country means you can't have culture

So what you want us too all be like those Irish/German hicks in Kentucky's holler's? Some culture that isn't losing your life to a shine still.

>>34343838

>Basically, slavery was very bad for the economy

AHAHHHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAA