Ballistic gel is not a flesh simulation. Anyone who has compared

>>34327580
> The purpose of gel is to allow a consistent test medium for comparing different bullets.

I've never heard it be suggested it's anything else by anyone of note

>>34327592
I hear people say all the time that if the bullet penetrates 18 inches of gel, it'll penetrate 18 inches of flesh. It's not true. Skin, bone, and dense muscle tissue are harder to penetrate than soft fatty tissue.

>>34327580
That makes perfect sense, but then my next question is why 12-18" penetration by the FBI. Why not 10"? Why not 20"? Clearly there's a ratio of some type going on there.

>>34327592
Strap the fuck in for this thread then

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>>34327580

wow what the fuck. i hate ballistic gel now

>>34327631
FBI bureaucrats have to come up with something to sound to sound like they know what they're talking about. Let's be honest. The FBI and all other police departments aren't going to get in a shootout unless they have enough manpower and ammunition to win no matter how weak their ammo is. They can get away with using 9mm because anyone is going to die when they get shot 47 times by 9 different officers.

It's been proven gel block penetration will match actual live human penetration. http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Fackler_Articles/winchester_9mm.pdf

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>>34327580
Step aside

>>34327580
I've also watched tnoutdoors9, anon.

I thought that was obvious when people were typically found to have bones whereas ballistics gel typically does not.

>>34327717
>perpetuating the "everyone has bones myth"

Skeleton infiltrator detected

>>34327580
are you telling me the mythbusters lied to me?

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>>34327679
That was only for penetration by a specific load under some conditions. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. It doesn't prove gel tests are reliable.

>>34327580
I would do pork-shooting tests since pork is more accurate, but they keep screaming and running away

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>>34327674
Who could be behind this post?

>>34327770
>It doesn't prove gel tests are reliable.
If we all just agree with you, what alternative would you recommend then for comparison? Going back to wet pack?

>>34327811
Shooting live animals is probably most realistic, but PETA would be apoplectic.

Mississippi recently legalized firing squads.Maybe they can give us some usable data.

Soon someone is going to mention fucking the gel

>>34327770
Do you have any data to the contrary? Or you just want to say it's not the same because it doesn't have skin and bone without any evidence to back that up?

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>>34327771
> tfw this is the closest you'll ever get to RaHoWa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAfJG1PMjbY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcu9BxTpQj4

My most favorite and loved ballistics gel video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V36leMeEEjo

My second favorite

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1PcIddAGFM

>>34327580
F A K E N E W S


http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Fackler_Articles/winchester_9mm.pdf

BG is an ok simulant of flesh, bone's the real problem.

>>34328205
Looks like the second Emu war is going well.

>>34327631
IIRC it's because your statistically average adult mail is aprx 170lbs and has a chest ~9" deep. Add in in a few inches for having to pass through a forearm(surprisingly common) before hitting the chest and you end up with 12".

The high limit is a little more complicated and seems to revolve around ruling out rounds that will over penetrate even if they hit bone multiple times(ulna, radius, ribs twice or once and spine) plus the holding in effect of your thicker back skin(equal to a few inches of normal flesh supposedly).

>>34327832
Personally i think BG testing needs updated to include shots involving a good bone simulant. an effort to collect more data to prove bg and said bones simulants predictive abilities relative to real life human or animal shootings would be nice too.

>>34327811
There's nothing wrong with a ballistics jell test, it's just a standard to compare to.

It's not if a model is right or wrong it's about useful or not useful.

In fact shooting something like a live target is worst because it doesn't give you an accurate bench mark.

It's like running one very specific software over multiple hardware to compare performance. Just because no one actually runs that hardware doesn't mean it's a bad benchmark. It's just about understanding the general principles and behaviors of whatever. And ballistics jell is fairly good at that.

>>34327580

Do you often go around stating the bloody obvious? Is it autism?

>>34328355
I thought the 18" max had to do with a shot through one arm and the width of a chest

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>>34328143
>coming to /k/ for an argument and requesting evidence

>>34327580

aqgreed. a 9mm 115gr winchester whitebox will typically go ~15" through gel.

I had one go ~30" through me, bones and all.

>>34327580
The size of the cavity directly correlates to how bad of a day the target is having.

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>>34329655
leg?

>>34327592
No guns here. I believed that the gel was an accurate simulation of flesh for a long time because of several big youtubers being so confident that something will kill if it penitrates 5 inches of ballistic gel.

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>>34327580
>Ballistic gel is not a flesh simulation.

:(

The true test standard has always been and always will be the milk jug full of water.

If a round can blow up at least three milk jugs lined up, it is a guaranteed kill.

>>34327622

Ballistic gel is the same density as human flesh. You can expect rough parallels between ballistic gel penetration and human flesh penetration.

>>34330139
I guess that's really handy to know if I ever encounter an aggressor made entirely of flesh.

>>34329726
Can I make pocketpussy with ballistic gel? Give me a few hours, I shall fuck gel for science.

>>34330173
Most people are.

I actually want to donate my body to a ballistics lab when I kick it. What have you done for the/k/ube today?

>>34330202
Damn, I'm apparently some kind of freak.

How do the rest of y'all get around without bones or organs?

>>34332815
no idea, muh murican genetics?