Do you think that the Ukrainian Civil war will ever end or will

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>>34325765
It will go on as long as there is an East/West divide. There is no end in sight. The Russians can use it to put pressure on the US/EU by turning up the heat. However, it can be argued that the Ukranians can also do the same to some extent.

It is trench warfare. There are no aircraft other than drones. Tanks are not used any more. Artilery is used but it's being rotated in and out. Currently the fighting is heavy machine gun bursts and mortars. This conflict could go on for 20 years.

I'll post a few pics to bump.

>>34326336
Holy shit what is that fucking thing

That looks honestly terrifying

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Found this on a guys facebook page I have been following. He does alot for the volenteer groups that do drone recon missions. They want to put an ATGM on this. They test fired a few rockets off it a few days ago.

The civilian groups involved with this are really interesting. When the army was getting the worst of it in the meat grinder, the volenteers took alot of the slack. Most are good guys. If I have time later Ill post more about it.

>>34325765
>>34326324
nah, russian gov't is running out of reserves in it's treasury. they have maybe 4 more years at the most and then they are going to be dry. They NEED to sell their oil but currently it's sanctioned.

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>>34326367
I'll look it up later but I believe a 23mm anti aircraft gun turned into a sniper rifle. Maybe 12.7 or 14.5. The thing at the end is a silencer it's the latter.

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>>34326399
I knowed estonian guy who who worked, with, if remember correctly, Azov Corps, or something like this.
He help them to set up drones. He even wanted to create something like strike drones who will deliver packs of explosive to russian ammo or fuel deports.

Unfortunately he went missing, nobody know what happened with him.

>>34325765
It will be stable until the Ukrainian forces proper start to into counter-insurgency and replenish their heavier stocks. At that point, it will become much more expensive for Russian-back proxies to fight the Ukies. They had initiative early on since the Ukies sucked hard, but the Ukrainians have done a better job since and will only consolidate and harden.

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>>34326729
>he went missing, nobody know what happened with him

>>34325765
>Do you think that the Ukrainian Civil war will ever end or will it continue to go on in a stalemate?

Russia will collapse. As with operation storm in Croatia the Ukranians will bide their time and then retake the whole zone in a week during russias literally inevitable economic implosion.

>>34325765
Novorussia will probably collapse eventually but Russia will not be leaving Crimea anytime soon.

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>>34326729
Probably the Azov Battalion, regiment of the Ukrainian National Guard.

>>34325765
Depends on how long it takes until Russia collapses or decides to ramp it up in event of economic turmoil.

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>>34325765

Ukraine is just the disposable asswipe used by the Anglo-Zionists in their Russia containment game.

Ukraine has no say in anything, really.

They have that fucking exiled, servile dog Sakashvili on the payroll of Washington, serving as some governor in Ukraine, or some shit, after there was a warrant issued for him back in Georgia, lel.

>>34327395
where can I get one of those bandanas. Those are dope.

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>>34327507
Like clockwork

>>34325765
>stalemate
This. Untill the ukrainian government and establishment don't want to integrate this region as a state subject with some autonomy and deny the "war with Russia" as a inner product.
It is the one reason why the conflict slill alive.

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>>34327507
Every single thread.You guys aren't even funny anymore.

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>>34326416
>They NEED to sell their oil but currently it's sanctioned.
That's not how global oil markets work. Pic related.

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>>34327395
>>34327209
>>34327139
Why do you retards think Russia collapse would lead to anything? Russia sells weapon and helps to both sides and most of separatists are locals and mercenaries. This war will stop when it stops being profitable for Ukrainian and "People Republics" governments.

>>34325765
Personally, I think it won`t end, untill the Ukraine will be completely scuttled. Simply, because no one of major political players is interested in ending this war. US need the proxy to put pressure on Russia, and idiots, to do the dirty work. Russia simply can`t accept the whole lode of butthurt military grade equipped criminals (Yes, I`m talking about Ukrainian army in most cases). Even Ukraine government is interested in the conflict, because it is a good excuse to whatever fuckups it make. The only ones, not interested in conflict, are common folk, but they are not the ones who choose.

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>>34329717
And who cares when everyone left except babushkas.

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>>34326324
Except the Russians can't afford to sustain two conflicts (one in Syria, and the other in Ukraine)

It's no coincidence that peace-talks regard Ukraine took place shortly before Russia announced their intervention in Syria.

And if people still say Russia was never in Ukraine, they are either trolling or are delusional

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>active duty Russian soldier in Ukraine at time of escalation by rebel forces

>>34329731
>Except the Russians can't afford to sustain two conflicts
Except they sustained only 1 of them.

>>34329749
..right
semantics time?

>>34329776
You said something against glorious Russia, of course it is semantics time, also it is derail time, insulting time, whataboutism time, fakes time, proofster time, you are butthurt time,...

Until Russia pisses off nato and gets curb stomped for it.

I hate how wars don't end anymore.

>>34327507
I still kek over the whole Azoz = Nazis
Ukraine = Jews thing.

Cant they just make up their mind?

>>34330110
This

>>34325765
at least country will eventually fall back into russia's SOI, natocucks failed
besides pretty much everyone knows that the whole "revolution" was an excuse for some jewligarchs to pillage the country, 90s Russia style

>>34325765

I could see it ending when eventually Ukraine becomes a stable state after a decade or two and its army becomes more modernized and establishes a good NCO and officer corps.

After the events of Debaltseve, it is quite clear that the Ukrainian military needs to reorganize itself and build itself up. That takes time. The good news however is that by having an active warzone in the country and rotating units through it, they can gain practical experience, and this will eventually result in a professional army, though it may take some time.

It is not unfathomable to see a removal, or more likely a reduction of DPR activity in Donbass at some point in the near future as a result of either indirect pressure from the Ukrainian military or their actions.

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>>34325765

>Do you think that the Ukrainian Civil war will ever end or will it continue to go on in a stalemate?

The war in the Donbass region is now a frozen conflict with occasional mortar and artillery exchanges but no major frontline movements.
And it's probably going to stay that way since Russia needs Ukraine to be internally destabilised through a long and protracted conflict.
In the end Russia wants the Donbass to be reintegrated into Ukraine as a kind of trojan horse.
A reintegrated Donbass would reintroduce millions of pro-Russian voters into the electoral system and block any attempts by Kiev to distance itself further from Russia.
It's the same tactic they tried in Georgia with Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

What Ukraine needs to do to prevent this is the following:

-Stop all transfer payments to the Donbass. (done)
-Stop all trade across the contact line. (done)
-Disconnect the Donbass from it's water and electricity network. (almost completed)
-Make it impossible for them to vote in Ukraine. (more or less done)

This would be costly for Ukraine but it would also burden Russia with almost all the costs of running the Donbass region.
And it would be the only way that Kiev can continue it's current policy of leaving Russian-led institutions and joining European ones.

So basically Kiev needs to give up the Donbass to save the rest of Ukraine.

>>34330572
Ukraine will never ever join the EU, the germans aren't that dumb. Dangling it like a carrot to get lesser peoples to do self detrimental things is not a new tactic; see Turkey.

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>>34329731
>pic related
Clearly Ukrop hoholi amerkianski pizdets pidor propaganda.

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>>34330622

>Ukraine will never ever join the EU
No one is talking about full membership in the near term.
What Ukraine wants is the association agreement and visa free travel.

>Dangling it like a carrot to get lesser peoples to do self detrimental things is not a new tactic; see Turkey.
What are you talking about? The Turkish economic boom of the past 2 decades would have been impossible without it's close association with the EU. (pic related)

>>34330131

The part that really sting Russia is that Ukrainian right wing militias are the same old local nazis that Germany raised once, and that they were so proud of wiping out, now not only did they not commify the entire region, thus stripping them of national identity and leaving them ripe for annexation, they now present a clear ideological adversary to their own brand of nationalist right, and we all know two far right countries cannot coexist.

>>34330670
>What Ukraine wants is the association agreement and visa free travel.
Can't wait for a hundred thousand ukranian immigrants to join our hundred thousand polish ones! EU is finished, sooner the better.

I'll revise my statement and say that Ukraine is doing self detrimental things because EU and the west is wooing them, also to a large degree because of corrupt politicians robing the country blind, sweeping inflation etc. Their best interest would be to stabilize relations with Russia.

Turkey wanted, but would never have gotten admission into the EU, that's what I meant by dangling carrot, though I agree it hasn't been detrimental to them.

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>>34330731

>Can't wait for a hundred thousand ukranian immigrants to join our hundred thousand polish ones!
I suppose you're British?
You're not going to get swamped by Ukrainians, Ukraine having a visa free travel treaty with the EU does not mean that they get work permits.
That would only be possible with free movement of people and only the EU+EEA and Switzerland have that.
But then again, when did the Brits ever understand the EU treaties?

>EU is finished, sooner the better.
Yeah, I remember a lot of Brits saying that last year after Brexit, but let's do a quick recap of what happened in the past year.
Every single party that went into a european election with an anti-EU agenda lost,
Le Pen/FN were crushed by a candidate and party that were openly pro-EU,
Geert Wilders will continue just being a clown in parliament,
The AFD underperformed in state elections.
Meanwhile in Britain there are pretty large separatist/nationalist movements in Scotland and NI that are calling for independance/joining Ireland.
Your political system is in chaos, there's literally a hung parliament.
The UK posted the weakest Q1 growth figures in the entire EU and is suffering higher inflation than the Eurozone because of the Brexit-induced devaluation of the pound.
At some point you have to realize that Britain isn't an Empire anymore, it's just another European country with considerable interdependancy with the EU.
But i guess the Brexiteers will only realize that after the Brexit negotiations end with their utter humiliation.

>>34330862
>I suppose you're British?
Britain has a population of 65 million, my country is barely 5 million. You see and hear polaks on the streets everywhere, at the store, new neighbours etc.

EU is going to collapse whether or not the UK manages to do this transition well, it might take some time but it is not sustainable as it is. We need separate currencies again, especially for the poorer countries.

>>34330862
German obsessed with Britain

>>34330572
They wont lose only Donbass in that case.
The most ridiculous thing about Ukraine is that they were forced to pay the debts to Gasprom during the time they were yelling from top of their lungs that the Russians are invading.
Their economy was never good enough to begin with.
Also, there is a fuckton of coal in the Donbass. They even buy it from the separatists.

>>34331011
All the important industry is located in the Donbass region too.

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>>34331011

>The most ridiculous thing about Ukraine is that they were forced to pay the debts to Gasprom during the time they were yelling from top of their lungs that the Russians are invading.

That contract you're referring to will probably not exist for much longer.
https://www.ft.com/content/f11c8592-462d-11e7-8519-9f94ee97d996?mhq5j=e1

>Also, there is a fuckton of coal in the Donbass. They even buy it from the separatists.

Ukraine stopped all coal purchases from the Donbass at the start of this year.
https://www.ft.com/content/276f3fd8-098c-11e7-ac5a-903b21361b43?mhq5j=e1

>>34329731
I still keep finding people who don't believe Russia was involved In ukraine. I've even linked them the rt article where Putin admits they had professional soldiers in Crimea raising hell as early as when the Berkut got disbanded. (Don't have the exact date memorized).

And they then call that fake news...

>>34331316
When people talk of Russians in Ukrain they are obviously speaking about the Donbass region. They've had professional soldiers in Crimea since the dissolution of the USSR.

It's just going to become another south ossettia situation, Russia will send in troops if it's under threat and unless that happens they will just advise the local government

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>>34329091
>Dilbert as a source
believe it or not, western sanctions (as well as the low price of oil) are slowly taking effect. Russia's been running a budget defecit for the last few years, they've been dipping into their sovereign wealth fund to make up for the shortfall but it's not enough, either they'll have to start grabbing cash from their state pension pot or take major loans, neither or which Russia particularly wants to do. The last in particular would be not just humiliating (dismantles the years of debt reduction Putin worked to pull off in the 2000s) but would weaken Russia's position far more than the USA's debt - the USA has a large economy that will bring the world down with it if it falls, as well as plenty of rich allies willing to lend to them, whereas Russia's allies are a bit poor and shit and taking loans from China would compromise them far more than the USA taking loans from China, as a) China and the USA are economically interdependent to a much greater extent than China and Russia, and b) China could realistically invade parts of Russia if they wanted to (whether it would be a successful invasion is debatable, but they could certainly grab parts of Siberia before Russia can react, whereas the USA has a few thousand kilometres of water separating Guam from China, let alone their mainland.

pic related (Wirtschaft = economy in German)

>>34326367
Its called a slav. Not sure about the gun though

>>34329731
Remember watching that episode. Fucking hilarious

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>>34327507
>>>>>/pol/

You guys like to ruin threads with your tinfoil hat bullshit

Just leave

>>34326416
So Chief Cheeto's plan is finally revealed. Let Ruskies run out of money, then broker a deal for their oil and other resources if they agree to leave Ukraine alone.

>>34332571
Is the DPR in red?

>>34333806
Yes, DPR, LPR and Russia

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>>34325765
Maybe you should stop giving the illegitimate government of Ukraine money https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/08/15/us/politics/paul-manafort-ukraine-donald-trump.html
How come when Assad kills rebels he's evil but when Ukrainians bomb their civilians , lock people into buildings and burn them alive , sell their coal mines to chevron they are good goys ?

>>34334088
>sell their coal mines to chevron
You answered your own question.

>>34330862
unironically this

>>34334088
it's called 'not letting our country become the next Russia'

>>34325765
It'll end once the Russians return Crimea to the Ukrainians.

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>>34330110
Don't worry, the war on terror will end soon enough

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>>34333079
underrated

>>34334088
>Ukrainians bomb their civilians , lock people into buildings and burn them alive , sell their coal mines to chevron they are good goys ?
You mean like the cruzified boy? Like the little girl killed by ukraine soldiers? And the allegedly prevented genocide on the russian population. And all the other made up bullshit to justify the retard russian behaviour? This is literally nazi-tier behaviour. Now prepare for the next edgelord basement deweller asking what would be bad about nazi-tier behaviour.

>>34334805
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvLF29Sg6YE

Russia wants it more than the west wants to defend it. Putin has a patsy in the White House now, and the EU leadership is war-averse to a fault, so I expect more of Ukraine to be annexed under the pretense of protecting ethnic Russians.

>>34334992
Your point? You think that makes the fake news reports from russians disapper or what? You think russians arent doing the same thing as in the video? Get fucked you fucking shill, it aint 2014 anymore, you cant convience anyone with that shitposting tier garbage.

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not anytime soon. It's a convenient bargaining chip for Putin. He could end it in a moment

>>34335461
>He could end it in a moment
And face economic collapse from over-extending a weak economy and alienating themselves even further from every European country. Ukraine situation isn't all bad for Putin, but there is no way he could 'end' it just like that.

More realistically it drags out, then there's a chance it flares up again once Putin dies and there's a large power vacuum to exploit, which means a lot of unexpected things could happen.

>>34335461
that is clearly photoshopped, anon. you can clearly see he's not properly squatting.

>>34335814
he could end it overnight by pulling the support for the "rebels" in Ukraine and pulling troops out of Crimea.

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>>34334805
kek

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who knew news paper cammo works pretty well

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>>34335898
http://www.stopfake.org/en/?s=crucifixion

Serious question here, why are Americans so triggered about the Ukraine situation? The world of global politics and wars use to be so interesting and now it seems any little scuffle between states sends everyone into a rage. Who really gives a shit about Russia and Ukraine going at it? As far as I see it either the Ukraine could repel Russia's advancements or collapse, but it's between those two countries.

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