How many of you declare your CPL when pulled over? https:/

>>34314427
Only in states that require it. Which I don't frequent.

Yes because it's required in my state and I can't be arsed to learn the rules of all other 50 states so I just err on the side of caution.

I keep my hands on the steering wheel at all times and politely inform the officer. Officers love that bootlicking shit. I honestly believe it makes the officer more likely to reduce your ticket or give you a warning.

Duty to inform state.

Do you guys not know the laws that directly affect you? Fucking amateurs.

Texas here so duty to inform.

I tell them I have a gun and jam my hands in my pockets real fast.

Everytime im pulled over. Then I listen to the officer and don't act like an idiot. Its worked out pretty good so far.

>>34314427
Duty to Inform state means I'm obligated to tell the officer when they walk up to my vehicle. So far, none of them have asked me to give them my sidearm, and I have had zero difficulties.

>>34314427
the fuck did i just watch?

>>34314605

It does.

Copfag here. If you don't bother telling us you're carrying you're a cunt.

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>>34314427
>>34314829

>pull guy over
>explain to him the reason for the stop
>guy tells you he has a gun
>"Okay, don't pull it out."
>guy starts to pull it out
>"Don't pull it out!"
>guy keeps going to pull it out

>>34314885
except it wasn't a gun he tried to pull out but his id which the cop previously asked for...

>>34314857

Go fuck off and resign, take your inflated ego with you.

>>34314857
And politely informing LEOs while keeping hands on the steering wheel, does that help reduce fines usually?

>>34314427
I hand them my carry permit along with my drivers license when they initially approach. They usually ask where it is and I tell them while keeping my hands on the wheel. It's for both of our safeties, really.

The couple times I've been stopped I've gotten out of speeding tickets doing this. A little respect goes a long way considering the types of people these guys have to deal with on a daily basis. I live in MN near the cities btw. Caststeel was a fucking idiot.

>>34314931

No it isn't, at 1:29 to 1:32 the cop asks, "Do you have you license and registration?" and Philando gives him his identification. Watch the video again.

>>34314933
>inflated ego
Lol wut
>>34314940
Your behavior during a traffic stop is usually what saves you from a ticket. I personally rarely write anyone a hard copy for traffic court unless they have done something incredibly stupid or are driving uninsured.

Just act like a decent human being. 99% of my stops last about 20 seconds. "hello sir how are you today. The reason I pulled you over is because x. Can I see your dl and insurance. Cool, please get x fixed/stop doing x. Have a good day."

>>34314427
I love how this bitch instead of sitting quietly or trying to compose herself decides to call (probably her parole officer) and tell them that a cop just shot him when he dindu nuffin wrong.

>>34314427
already a thread on this OP

>>34314427
Required in my state.

>>34315280
Not anymore. Guess those janitor applications went through finally.

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>>34314427
MFW I live in constitutional carry state. Veteran tag so cops usually leave me alone. When do see, they don't freak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kassP7zI0qc
Food for thought.

>>34315003
There's 3 documents you have to give a cop. Probably got what he could and was reaching for the rest.

>>34315521
>cop tells you to stop reaching for a gun
>5 times
>keep reaching for your NOT GUN.

Darwinisim in action.

>>34314427
ITT /k/ goes full bootlicker and supports gun control

>>34315374
not gonna watch it, what happens

>>34315562
>gun control is reaching for your NOT GUN when a cop asks you not to reach for your gun.

Make sure you tell the cop you are a TRAVLER and that your birth certificate is not owned by the bank thus due to maritime admiralty law they cant fine you for anything.

>>34315374
Jesus, doesn't matter if he was right and the guy was lying about being a John. He prevented the guy from informing him, got pissed when he realized he was at fault, threatened the prostitute with assault (on camera), and then, arguably threatened the perp with murder (also on camera), and then maybe even had the stones to not so subtly threaten his partner into being an accomplice.

Either the union or his supervisor needs to get that guy into anger management asap before he gets the feds and the media up that PDs ass.

>>34315579
Mate, if that satire, likely 90% of the people that get it will be the people your satirizing. Yes, maybe even me.

>>34315622
Excuse me sir I do not wish to create joinder with the legal corperation I will identify as "you".

>>34315550
But he didn't reach for his gun

>>34314619
This.

>>34314857
But I was told by a cop not to
I am so confused

>>34315706
>>34315706
>>34315706
Yes, he kept reaching for his NOT GUN.

>>34315577

just an abusive copper, http://www.cantonrep.com/article/20131105/NEWS/131109669

>>34316033
> Threatens to murder 3 people on job
> Arbitrator rules that he's fit to return to work

I wonder if the arbitrator would have felt the same way if he or his family had been threatened with eating 10 rounds during a traffic stop.

i don't say shit unless I have to get out of the vehicle, or think me reaching over to the glovebox will make me show it to him.

>>34314605
>I keep my hands on the steering wheel at all times and politely inform the officer. Officers love that bootlicking shit. I honestly believe it makes the officer more likely to reduce your ticket or give you a warning

This so fucking much

>>34316200

>Harless agreed to resign in writing, effective the same date that city fired him. He can’t apply for another job with the city. All requests by future employers about Harless’ employment record must be answer in writing and include only factual information, like dates of employment and the positions he held.

wonder what hes been doing for work all these years since the incident

>>34315706
But the cop doesn't know that.
And he even says @ 1:39 "I'm gonna have to pull it out"

And EVEN if it must be removed to get to your ID it should under no circumstances be touched unless or until directed to do so by the officer.

>>34316248
why not?

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>>34314427
Duty to inform state so yes.
Unless im going through a dui checkpoint then i dont because my ccw instructor said cops just want to get cars through as fast as possible. The instructor is a cop.

>>34316200
Arbitrators are always chosen by the party with the most power, whether that means a police union in this context, or the hiring corporation in the case of work disputes. Sure, they might occasionally give a favorable result to the little guy to create the appearance of being impartial, but it's always a lie. Arbitrators invariably serve to give good results to the group that hired them.

>>34316248
Because it is not only simply extremely courteous, but also a matter of life and death, be it yours or the officers.
The officer is also acting to protect his life as well as others. So it is best to keep the situation under the directive of the officer when handling lethal matters such as a firearm.

If you were dealing with someone who you knew had a firearm, and you didn't know their intentions, wouldn't you rather know they're every move beforehand so you could gauge where the situation is headed? That's why officers will direct you on what to do in this situation.

>>34316297
Was meant for
>>34316257

>>34316297
Sure did that guy a lot of good telling him he had a gun.

>>34315245
She was recording a video for Faceberg

I wish I was joking

>>34314427
>>34314547
>>34314605
>>34314619
You should never inform them verbally. When they ask for your license, you hand the you DL and CCL at the same time and they will understand.

>>34316313
It would have had he not tried to pull it out when the officer didn't direct him to. Can't help dumb.

Or maybe it was arrogance.

>>34316334
What else is she supposed to do? If she went near her boyfriend the cops would have shot her too.

>>34316313

sure did a lot of good to furiously rifle through his pockets

>>34314931
and the cop is supposed to be telepathic and know what he is reaching for is something right next to the gun and not the gun itself?
also the cop already had his license, watch the fucking video before commenting.

>>34314427
I yell loudly so that he can hear me "I'VE GOT A GUN" then I proceed to reach into my pockets and rummage around my center console and glove box.

>>34316348
never do this, if you do this your gonna get raped up the ass with a maglite, my uncle is a cop

>>34316366
There's license, registration and insurance you have to provide. If the cop had all of it he would've been walking back to his car.
>>34316356
would've been non issue if he didn't tell the cop he had a gun.

>>34314857
This, it might keep you alive

>>34314427
the correct way to tell then is to draw your CCW and hand it to the cop before anything else

>>34314933

guess who's not coming to your house when you need it XD

>>34314427
"Officer I have my chl and am carrying today. It is in the ____ . What would you like me to do?"

Anything else is just asking to be philanderer castille'd

>>34314829
a jumpy cop murdering someone

>>34316348
>>34316313
You do realize that they New if the cars owner is a ccw holder when they run your plates, right?

>>34314427
Have too. State law

>>34316403
Just following the letter of the law. Says I have to hand over ID, and he doesn't want to hear my life story anyway.

>>34314427
>getting pulled over
shiggy

>>34314427
How many of you disobey direct orders from police after telling them you're armed with a deadly weapon?

>>34314931
WRONG

don't ever offer information to a LEO unless you're 100% obligated to

follow that line of advice and you could save yourself an arrest, or your life

>>34316742
I don't let my hands be obscured when I tell them I have a damn pocket knife in my console. I do it mostly because its a respect thing.

>>34315303
is being a veteran really that hilarious?

Just present your permit with your driver's license

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT-nePQuT-s

>>34316752


This ^


They are not god and you owe them nothing unless they have a warrant.

Never talk to a cop. Ask to see your lawyer.
You don't have to be an ass about it. Just get your point across and ask if you are under arrest. If you are ask to see your lawyer.

Don't talk to cops they are not your friend.
They are 100% ZOGBOT.
If they weren't they wouldn't be cops.

>>34316860
>Don't talk to cops they are not your friend.
>They are 100% ZOGBOT.
>If they weren't they wouldn't be cops.
tin foil a little tight there m8

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Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

I just remembered this from last year and again watching the video, this happened RIGHT OUTSIDE our state fair grounds (which is a huge cultural event). Those fucking niggers are going to ruin this too aren't they?

>>34314993
This is the way to do it.

Handing your carry permit with your license immediately tells the cop you're not a felon, and you're not crazy, and let's him lead the situation with "are you carrying now?"
Instead of you starting with "I have a gun" and him going on the defensive with "where is it?"

You literally don't have to say anything until spoken to this way.

>>34316663
Depends very much on the state.

>>34314885
As an ex cop I can tell you that:
1) That cop shoudn`t be on the streets, he is too jumpy.
2) The wording is totally wrong, you say "don`t move" not "don`t pull that gun", because if you say the latter, the civilian will think "I`m not pulling my gun, I`m reaching for whatever the fuck I am reaching". The wording is key and that officer fucked up.

>>34314427
FL here.
No duty to inform, but you are required to answer if the cop asks you directly if you have a weapon or you lose your permit.

>>34316663
Police don't always run the plates before pulling you over.

>>34316348
This is correct.

>>34316687
They gonna call you duracell butt

>>34314427
AZ fag here so constitutional carry and don't have to inform police. I've only been pulled over once and decided to inform the officer I was open carrying, and asked how he'd like me to proceed. He took me out of the car and disarmed me. Only wanted my I'd though to verify if I was old enough to carry (only 18). Afterwards he gave me back the firearm and just told me to have a nice day. A little excessive but I don't really care. No ticket and the officer seemed happy that I decided to declare my firearm.

>>34316636
>this

>>34316871

Welllllll just a bit...M8.

You will understand when you have 4 pistols trained at your head because you were in a car that looked like it was ... - a routine tail light stop.

yeah I been there. in that spot

Keep your hand on the wheel be nice and be polite. Don't offer them shit.
You should be ok.

>>34316860
This. One of my favorite professors was from the only cj class I took who was a former cop from queens and every class he'd roll in and bitch about how there were too many cops. He really drove home the point of not saying shit to police.

>>34317399
or don't drive a shit car. OR or don't be a paranoid freak and speak to them professionally.

>>34315056
Need more like you. But I recall a paper was released that stated police handle black males different by being more agg[spoiler][/spoiler]ressive.

>>34317438
Good goy
Maybe your wife will let you out of your cuck cage today

>>34314427
fucking pigs

>>34316981
Your apostrophes are extra slanty.

>>34314993
This only works because you're white.
If you were melanin rich they would just shoot you for reaching when you put your ID permit back.

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>>34315245
People still haven't seen this shit? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=855_RtW4Fx4
>oh lawd dey dun kilt my boyfrien' I gotsta tell da Facebook

>>34316334
>Faceberg
You're dumb, its because of the video this case made the news

>>34316349
Still wasn't reaching the video shows his shirt is still down

" Good morning officer, For my own safty I'd like to declare a firearm, how would you like me to proceede" Said with both hands firmly on the steering wheel " Yes sir, its currently on my right hip. Absolutely, I'm reaching for the door with my right hand" slowly do so.

>>34314427
by law in my state you have to do it if you do have a gun on you

>>34316366
First off why did the cop need his licenses? He was driving the car now was he

>>34314605
>all other 50 states
Nigga, America has 50 states. You mean "other 49 states" faggot

>>34314427
I was always told to give my carry license at the same time i hand over my drivers license.

>>34317598
I don't get how you bootlickers can support this cuckoldry.
Do you support gun registries and salt gun bans too? Where do you draw the line on giving up your rights to make a cop's job, easier?

>>34314427
Never.
1. I'm a grown man and drive responsibly, so I almost never have to worry about it.
2. When I do it's either a checkpoint where they just look at my papers and let me on my way, or it's some other petty bullshit, so I never get searched.

If there is any reason at all why a cop might find out that you have a weapon on you, you have already fucked up.

If the dude intended to use the weapon on the police officer, why did he inform him about it in the first place?

>>34314857
If the weapon was a danger to you do you really think the person would take the time to tell you about it?

Honestly, the mentality that "The cops NEED to know, for safety" is fucking retarded. Telling the cop does nothing to preserve the safety of the officer and only serves to make him a nervous twitchy bitch. Unless your getting your shit searched because you already fucked up that bad, there is no reason why Officer Copfag needs to know what you have.

>>34317738
Reverse psychology obviously
If you think for one second that nigger wasn't going to kill that police officer and speed away you haven't been paying attention

>>34314756
Guys, he's back from the dead! It's Jamal Rayquandrius Castille or whoever!

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>>34314427
Kek, I never have to do that because New York wont give me one and I can't afford to move away.

>>34317771
A lot of states have a legal requirement for it. It's bullshit but they still enforce it.

>>34317781
I don't know what he wanted to do, but that makes no sense. The element of surprise is tactically much more valuable than an uncertain "reverse psychology" attempt.

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>>34317598
Man, I sure do miss living in a society where I did not have to role play scenarios for interacting with police to avoid getting ventilated because I mildly convulsed while sneezing.

Don't you? Don't you feel like there might be something wrong with this situation, just a little?

>>34314427
I just hand over my licence, registration, and conceal carry permit. If they ask if I'm carrying I tell them it is in the glove compartment, which is now shut, on in my carry holster. Only been pulled over once since carrying. Cop told me to just keep it in the glove compartment while he ran my info.

>>34315374
Holy shit I'm usually pro-police in these situations because criminals tend to lie and twist the truth but this faggot is 110% in the wrong. Does his job shittily then gets pissed off at people for not interrupting him doing his job incorrectly and threatening to beat them while he has them detained.

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>>34317532
/k/ hasn't made me laugh like this in months.

I make sure when I hand my license over I yell really loud "I GOT ME A GUN!"

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>>34318157
I usually face forward without looking at them and say "I've got a gun" quietly and slowly.

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>>34314756
Thats a nono Daquan DeQuarius Johnson

>>34316663
You know that for a fact?

Because in Washington (where I work) it doesn't

>>34317771
You'd be amazed, but I've had a felon or two tell me they're carrying.

Hoosier here.

No duty to inform so I don't.

I also don't do it in states that want me to because it's none of your business and concealed means concealed, if I wanted anyone to see it and know about it, I would oc like the cop. Bootlickers get btfo.

>>34314427
>CPL

confirmed for michigan

>>34317900
There is indeed something wrong with it, but until we solve the bigger issue we have to play the stupid games.

>>34317706
This is a divide we have caused our self by looking at the issue as an "us vs them" We need to remember that they are people, and so are we, Both parties need to have a measure of courtesy we've forgotten it seems. It's not "right" but it is what it is. Better than yelling " AM I BEING DETAINED?!" at them like some folk try.

>>34314605
I tried that & it's 50/50 for me. Either cops dig it or they don't even notice and I'm polite & I dress respectable but I ALWAYS get cited.

I have a question. Do they ask you to step out of the vehicle? I firmly but politely refuse to step out. Everyone tells me I should just shut up & do it. I don't like it because I feel like then they want to start pressing their authority. If I go out, I'll get frisked. If I go out, then he'll want to go in and search my vehicle. Now I'm not a criminal. I don't carry anything illegal but I still don't like LE treated me like a criminal and looking for anything to put me away for good. Pull me over and give me a ticket for whatever and that's it. I don't have to answer where I've been or what I'm doing. This isn't an investigation on me...

Several months ago I got arrested for driving with no front license plate.

Long story short:
>pulled over for no front license plate
>refuse to answer any questions about where I've been or where I'm going or if I have drugs or weapons in the vehicle (I didn't have anything)
>just give me my damn citation
>asked to step out to because "he needs to speak with me momentarily" (verbatim because I recorded the interaction)
>refuse, tell him he can speak with me right there
>leaves me alone and goes to back to his vehicle
>calls back up
>two patrol cars plus K-9 unit comes as back up within ten minutes
>extremely fat guy with a tactical vest wielding a shotgun, flashbangs, taser,enter rear view mirror
>comes back & asks me to step out
>refuse
>officer goes back to fat man & they talk
>comes again
>raises his voice "step out"
>refuse
>"STEP OUT!"
>refuse
>goes back & they talk again
>comes back & tells me I'm under arrest
>are you for real?
>"driving with no front license plate is an arrestable offense so step out"
>fuck, step out and get arrested
>they spend about 53 minutes searching my vehicle
>find nothing
>come back
>"I got your cellphone and keys for you buddy"
>fuck you

>>34319564

What state did this abuse of power take place in? Btw you have to obey legal orders from them or it's obstruction or deliquescent or some made up legal bullshit. I had a similar experience with border patrol. Had my hands up the entire time, made them open my door and unbuckle my seatbelt so I'm not "reaching" and get lit up.

>>34316412
>would've been non issue if he didn't tell the cop he had a gun
You cannot seriously be this retarded.

>>34319463
>solve the bigger issue

Homicide rate in 2014 was the lowest it's been since 1963. Ditto for number of officers feloniously killed (data only goes back to 1970 though).

How low of a shooting rate do we have to get to before the officer and I can look at each other in a routine traffic stop as two guys from the same town, both just doing their jobs?

>>34314756
Hi Philando

>>34316860
I was with you until the buzzword /pol/ bullshit.

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>>34320519
You remind me of my own attitude towards black people things.

>This seems okay
>Oh
>Wait a sec
>Yep, this is related to black people or something
>Can't like it

I don't really agree with or condemn your post. The thought of the similarity between us just made me chuckle.

>>34316636

u = fuckwit

what kind of moron pulls out their ccw during traffic stop after police says stop moving

>>34319564
If the police never investigated then why wouldn't find any drug dealers.
Just tell him you have a gun early, and step out

>>34317587
Didn't the cop get acquitted?

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>dont drive like a retard
>never get pulled over

>>34314940
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

>>34314427
I highly disagree with "duty to inform" states. Not only does that seem like the equivalent of a mandatory search, it's a good way for people to get shot if they aren't very articulate at explaining that they have a firearm. Cop hears "gun," cop reverts to piss-poor training which has taught him to pull the trigger as quickly as possible in three seconds after "recognizing a threat" while yelling "PUT DOWN THE GUN!!" (even when the gun is in the glove compartment.)

That said, in my state I have the option of handing my permit to the officer with my DL and letting him control the discussion (they're almost always cool about that, because they know that to get a concealed permit you aren't a convicted felon), or if I'm not CC but have one in the glove box I can say "my vehicle registration is in the glove box, but I'd prefer if you get it because I have a lawfully owned firearm there." (Their answer is almost always to say "okay, just leave the glove box closed," and don't even bother to look at my registration.)

As an aside, if I'm asked "you got any guns, drugs, or anything illegal in your car?" I can just respond "no." I'm under no obligation to inform the officer of any of that, and he's the one lumping a lawful exercise of my 2A rights with a lot of illegal behavior.

I want to be pro-police, as I appreciate a lot of what they do. I just wish that more of them had good 2A ethics instead of the attitude that they should be the only people allowed to have a gun.

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>>34317542
>that only works because you're white.
Too bad I'm not, anon.

>>34322775

I agree with you anon and would buy you a beer.

>>34316493
I honestly can't think of a time where I would find cops useful or necessary.

>>34317609
Lol, the degradation of bait on /k/ is real

>>34314427
I don't want to be another Philandro Castile, so no.

>>34320195
That happens, you must have all of the cunt officers.
When you're an animal trainer with alligators, you know what they can do.
Same with cops, just stop being an idiot and no one gets shot

>>34314857
And you're likely to get nervous and do something stupid if I do tell you, so I'm not gonna.

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>>34322865
Holy shit the edge. Pic related is you

>>34322803
Grooftop korean c:

>>34314427
My state doesn't require it, but I don't want to spook a cop into possibly shooting me, because I didn't say a few words. I get really freaked out when I get pulled over.

>>34322907
Who are those people?

>>34317542
No, they just do that when you act like a nigger and can't follow basic instructions.

>>34322920
Retards

>>34322907
Or he's a farmer/rancher posting from out in the boonies.

>>34322907
What's edgy about that? I tried thinking of the situations where I would truly need them for anything and I cannot.

>>34322944
Unless he's an Appalachian moonshiner most rural folks are very pro police.
>t. rural suburban retard

>>34322930
So antifa or....?

>>34322964
I don't think they were really with any group per se. I only ever saw that photo of them. Just a group of dumb gommies

>>34322920
Antifa

Hypocrite NEETS larping as revolutionaries, have had the shit deservedly beat the fuck out of them for attacking innocent people under the pretense that they were "Nazis".

Some of the beatdown videos that have come out of them though are hilarious, like this one during the Berkeley riots where Trump supporters chased them out of the city.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqFVXZsdl_A

>>34314857
Door #1 - I don't tell you, and you don't find out.
Door #2 - I tell you, and you don't care.
Door #3 - I tell you, you get "scared for your life", and I become a statistic.

I'll take Door #1 and stay alive, asswipe.

>>34314756
Fun fact: In Texas there is a legal duty to inform, but the legislature stripped the legal punishment from the law. This state is so cucked it borders on fiction.

>>34319713
I hope you are still around to give the story tiem of your BP encounter.

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>>34314885
how can we all see the same video but fucking idiots like you can't comprehend the officer fucking puts his hand on his gun when he politely declares he's armed. That guy was on edge, and as soon as he decided to shoot a guy who had no edge on him in holster time was upset because he ruined his career and fucked up and he knew it.

>>34322952
My uncle was a rancher out in NM, and while he didn't dislike the sheriff, he had little use for the man, since his response time would be measured in hours.

>>34323003
Of course he was on edge, he stopped the guy because he thought he might be a robbery suspect, do you know anything about this case?

>>34322982
>Castile's Wager

>>34322983
Whoa. Got a link for that later part? That's good to know.

>>34317399
You talk like an idiot gangbanger. The words you're using and explaining yourself with make it sound like you're some hoodrat that had guns pointed at him for being with some other hoodrats.

Protip- stop being a thug and do something with your life before you end up like one of those faggots with tattoos on their face. They're not cool and the only reason you get them is because people want something to look at while you're sucking their dick in prison.

>>34323024
>thought he was a robbery suspect based on fucking nothing
Wow, I bet you were okay with the LAPD shooting up random cars when they were looking for Dorner.

Ask a guy who does traffic stops anything

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>>34323070
How about no.

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>>34323063

>>34319564
>calling the whole station for a license plate
And people wonder why nobody trusts cops

>>34322982

That sums it up for me.

>>34323027
https://www.lawserver.com/law/state/texas/tx-codes/texas_government_code_411-205
It used to have a line at the end that said failure to do so would result in the loss of your license. They amednded that around 2010. They still have the old law up at usacarry.com

>>34314427
Is it just the dash cam angle or did he park half way in the shoulder and half way in the lane?

>>34323070
What's it like being a tax collector?

>>34323128
>I swear I was doing nothing wrong
>Those cops were just dicks
>I was just not answering any questions and giving no information to the officer at all
>was the plate stolen and now someone else has the front one??
>we will never know because people are satisfied with their side of the story and it doesn't matter if he entirely made it up or omitted a few parts that made him look like a dick
>man cops are such jerks

>3-4 cops = whole station
Where the fuck do you live.

>>34323002

I will tell it at mwnf if you go. Basically I went through a checkpoint in White sands New Mexico and they threatened my life with guns and cameras in my face then sent me on my way like nothing happened.

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>>34323128
>Getting killed for a broken brake light

>>34323179
>>34323167
Fuck I forgot its summer.
Please continue bootlicking.

>>34323165

I like it.

>>34322883

The whole thing with Castile kind of shows how the 2nd amendment really works on paper and not in reality if the law is essentially impossible to follow. Some cops are anarchists incapable of enforcing the law and local courts are are sometimes biased against anyone who opposes a cop. I hope the Supreme Court reviews it because most laws are shit until it is reviewed by them.

>>34323229
How was my post bootlicking? I'm saying look at the OP video, nigga got killed for a taillight. Cop could have just said he noticed it, pls get it fixed soon. But nope, gotta run ID, ask for a search, shoot someone for trying to the right thing, etc. It's not even all the cops fault, he was caught in the machinations of the modern American police state.

>>34323027
>>34323150
Found a more thorough link.

http://fairandfairlaw.com/texas-open-carry-laws-fail-to-id/

>>34319564

>I'm not a criminal.
You were driving a vehicle without a license plate and refused a lawful order to exit the vehicle, those are crimes.

>>34323229
>only hear one side of a story
>instantly agree with it because emotions
>lmao summer bootlicker xD
.... when the fuck did antifa get here.

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>>34323020
The fucking DMV is the devil's best gift to cattle thieves. If VINs weren't traceable and Ford Rangers would biodegrade, I don't think ranchers would ever call the sheriff's department at all.

>>34323304
>some cops are anarchists
>>cops are anarchists

Do you read what you type before you hit "post"?

>>34323340
Police will pull you over in states that require front plates even if you aren't from that state.

>>34322889
Not true. We used to call it rookie behavior - hypervigilant, borderline cowardly, scared and reaching for the pistol response. But go to any police firearms training, and it's 90% how fast you can draw as soon as there's a "threat." Find a published training that during range time focuses more than 10% on de-escalating and "don't draw" situations. You won't. There's classroom training that boringly whines at you about how cops get hauled in front of juries that just don't understand what they have to deal with, and then there's "BAD GUY! GUN! SHOOT!!" range training. Unfortunately, too many of us conservatives are also statists who are quick to excuse stupid cop choices and justify them with "he had to make a split-second decision." Yeah, I don't mourn for the jackasses who are actively resisting with violence or have a firearm waving it around and get shot. But I'm pretty skeptical about a lot of shootings that they get away with out of "fear for officer safety."

Too many of the trainings I've seen encourage cops to act stupidly. I've seen taser training that specifically tells an officer or deputy to keep yelling "STOP RESISTING!" throughout the time the taser is being deployed, and if struggling with a suspect, to keep yelling "DON'T GRAB MY GUN!" This gets almost comical in court when the dashcam video shows neither was happening. It's just a response to the training, and it's obvious the training is used as a means to affect the perception by another observer (or someone watching footage later that may or may not capture everything). Like yelling "stop hitting me" right before you sucker punch someone.

Think of the standard that you, a citizen, would be held to if you used force against someone. Now think of the standard cops are held to. Can you seriously tell me that if you shot someone in "self defense" yet admittedly they didn't attack you and you never saw a gun, you think you'd skate a homicide charge because you were "in fear"?

>>34323454
I'm driving a relatives car from a state that doesn't have front plates, in a state that requires them, and I have been for a while, with no issues whatsoever.

>>34323475
Good for you.

>>34323454

And? You're subject to the laws of that state. I think CA gun laws are shit but I don't for a moment think I can violate them and then use, "I'm not from here," as an excuse.

>>34322947
Come on, they're useful for taking reports of a crime that was already committed. Also for entering your information into the system in case the shit that was stolen from you is ever located.

>>34323026
Lol

>>34323491
>You're subject to the laws of that state.
Yea, well, sucks for them. I get issued one registration plate from my state. Nothing I care to do about that.

>>34322947
>ill never need the cops
>ill take the law into my own hands
>there's nothing I can't handle with these two fists
>even if it's a noise complain, ill show up and just start shooting
... wowie that is the definition of edgy anon...

What are you going to do if you suspect someone of marital abuse? Drunk in public? You going to citizens arrest them? lmao dont make me fucking laugh.

>I cant think of any situation when I would need the cops
>he said from his parents air conditioned basement as his tostitos chilled next to the air duct filling the room with an overwhelming processed fragrance

>>34323525
>'issued' only one plate
.... Anon do you even have a car? what the fuck are you going on about.

Are you seriously trying to tell us that your state only issues a single license plate for vehicles.

>>34316414
>might

>>34323525
Take it up with state legislature or the courts if you receive a ticket.

>>34323550
Not him, but a 19 states only issue single plates. Don't be dense.

>>34323550

I'm the guy he's been talking to and my state only issues one plate, I just don't pretend that I'm not subject to the laws of other states if I'm in those other states.

>>34323070
Why do you get so pissy when you pull me over for some minor violation, I'm respectful and have no criminal record, but you still ask to search my vehicle and I don't give consent? Why does that set you off like I just called your mother a whore?

After having dealt with this three times in the past couple of years, I've come to the conclusion that you're trained to make stops mainly for the purpose of finding actual crime, and you're upset that I politely denied you that opportunity. Why get worked up about it? Why get red-in-the-face threatening? Why push the issue? You don't exactly instill faith that I could disclose the fact that I have a legal firearm without risking you going off the deep end.

Grew up massively pro-police. After a few encounters of having a cop actively yell at me and question me and threaten me because he desperately wants to search my car (a 2004 bone stock Toyota Camry, by the way), I can tell you that the day I sit on a jury I won't be trusting the police version of any event anymore.

>>34323552

Might also get you killed.

>Castile case

>>34323598
>>34323604
Jesus I thought that meant that you only had to have your rear plate on, not that you only got one... What the fuck is wrong with those 19 states? Don't they know they have neighbors?

What do you have to do, pay an extra 20 bucks for both plates?

>>34323550
Yes, you fucking moron.
>>34323566
I never have received a ticket for it, just been stopped.
>>34323604
How are you supposed to comply? Answer that. I'm not saying I can go to California with a gun on my hip, but exactly what am I supposed to do about having only one registration plate?

>>34323689
I'm not drilling holes into my bumper cover to appease your state, sorry. All states should get rid of front plates, they do nothing. They aren't even lit when it's dark.

>>34323340
No front plate is not a crime, it's a civil infraction. No probable cause for detainment ensues beyond the time to write a citation, and no valid search incident to arrest ever develops.

Because of this, there is no "lawful order" to be given that permits police to require that a driver exit his vehicle without reasonable suspicion or probable cause, and without a lawful order, there can be no crime for refusing to obey it.

Just as a quick example, if you're pulled over for speeding and a cop tells you to spit out your gum, put out your cigarette, or turn off your radio, these are reasonable requests. Reasonable requests do not equate to lawful orders, however. Cops get so used to everyone following commands that they think everyone HAS to follow every command.

>>34323708
>drives a piece of shit and cant afford the ticket
or
>drives a nice car and cant afford to have it professional mounted
or
>lacks any kind of craft/trade skills so much so that anon cant measure and level a drill to place two holes

Which one is it anon.

>>34323701

The registration plate is compliance with your state law and has universal reciprocity.

It's why you can't get pulled over for driving on an out of state plate.

The forward/rear rule applies as well. For states with both, one of the easiest ways to single out out-of-state drivers for stops and searches if they think it's necessary. (ie, driving through GA with a TX plate WILL get you pulled over at least once, since major drug routs coming up from Mexico all follow the same basic roads)

>>34323626
No idea, I'm not a cop like the one you described, though I do agree that there are cops like that. Really as long as you're being polite with me I'm going to be polite back. Sorry if my answer doesn't apply to what you experienced and I do believe that you experienced it, I can only vouch for the way I do things. If you refuse to consent I would try to convince you to consent but as long as you were being polite I would be polite as well about it and ultimately would not violate the fourth.

Some cops just get worked up about minor things like that, I don't understand it either.

>>34323767
You forgot the possibility of him being some dumb anarchist and thinking the fact /he/ has to do something to mount the plate legally is the the black helicopter dropping a boot on his throat.

>>34323788
>The forward/rear rule applies as well. For states with both, one of the easiest ways to single out out-of-state drivers for stops and searches if they think it's necessary. (ie, driving through GA with a TX plate WILL get you pulled over at least once, since major drug routs coming up from Mexico all follow the same basic roads)

CLAIRFICATION: Will get pulled over for bullshit "you seem like you were speeding" reasons.

>>34323767
It's the one where I don't somehow acquire a front plate from the BMV and damage my property so your cops don't act like morons.

>>34323720

Unfortunately, you are wrong. The Supreme Court ruled on this in Pennsylvania v Mimms.

>>34323689
In my homestate, you can't get an additional plate. They know they have neighbors. What the fuck is wrong with the other 31 states that spend extra money to ship out a stupid piece of metal that doesn't do anything in the first place?

>>34323720

Keep in mind that police have successfully used "He wasn't willing to obey my reasonable request" as justification for "reasonable suspicion" in jurisdictions with shitty cop-boner judges

It's an easy appeal with any ethical judge, but that doesn't mean you're not eating pavement in the meantime.

>>34323788
>The registration plate is compliance with your state law and has universal reciprocity.
Uhh...How does this support your point, exactly? That more supports mine. He could have not had committed any infraction if his home state didn't issue front plates. But glad we are in agreement, now.

>>34323720

This isn't really correct, though it probably ought to be.

The cops have the right, like it or not, to ask you to step out of a vehicle 'for their own safety' during routine stops. Also, if you've already been stopped, they'll have a reason, and thus all orders become backed up by reasonable suspicion or probable cause.

They can also demand identification, which the 5th does not protect you from. Just an add. there. Loads of fun.

>>34323821
Nope. That case is easily distinguishable, and if you know enough to know the case name, you SHOULD know that too.

>>34314605
Fucking this.

You can be a cop hating faggot on here as much as you want. I do this and the officer appreciates it greatly.

Swallow your pride for a bit and it works wonders.

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>>34319564
>i was doing something illegal and got PULLED OVER GUYS
>so i refused to cooperate and the situation harder for myself when its actually simple
>LOL DUDE FUCKING COPS SUCK DUDE
god youre a massive faggot, and fucking retarded at that

>>34322775
>As an aside, if I'm asked "you got any guns, drugs, or anything illegal in your car?" I can just respond "no."
That will make things a LOT worse later.

>>34323813
.... Too bad the price of buying and mounting the plate is probably about 50 bucks, and the ticket could end up with you going to jail for your edgy emotional out bursts and noncompliance with police.

>bruh they only give us one plate
>even though it's actually not legally sound and we cant leave the state with only one
Nice. You're being confined to your little box of a state. The way it should be.
>>34323824
>you cant get an additional plate
Source me right now anon. It probably costs an extra 10-20 dollars.
>why even get the front plate
so if you're driving like a retard someone in front of you can read your plate and pull over and call the fucking cops on your degenerate ass.

>>34319564
>Being an edgy fuckwit

>>34323868

As others and I have said, you're wrong. The police may ask you to step out of the vehicle during a routine traffic stop for even civil traffic infractions, this doesn't necessarily mean they can search you nor does it mean you could be arrested. This changes if you resist the lawful order to exit the vehicle.

>>34323898
I'm convinced you don't own a car or, at least, have never registered one.

>>34323857
No they don't, cops can't make you get out of vehicle during non-criminal traffic.

>>34319564
Are you in any of those Sovereign Citizens get owned videos on youtube?

>>34314427
How long are US cops trained compared to say, German/French police officers?

Because this shit looks unprofessional as hell. The cop is scared shitless and clearly shows signs of panicking.

>>34323980
How the fuck are we supposed to know how long German/French cops are trained?

>>34319564

AND THE WHOLE HIGHWAY CLAPPED

>>34321600
The cop could have avoided the situation by keeping cool and sternly informing the person that he should not pull his weapon out unless he wants to get hurt.

The person who got shot could have avoided it by following orders better. I'm sure he was going to think he'd pull the gun and give it to the officer.

Cop got scared, his many hours of training kicked in.

>"REMEMBER, EVERYONE IS A THREAT, ALL PEOPLE HAVE KNIVES AND THEY'LL USE 'EM ON YOU!"
>"SO ALWAYS FIRE, ALWAYS GO FOR THE CHEST, AND MAGDUMP TILL YOU HEAR A CLICK!"

>>34323935
Because you don't think you can just purchase or request and extra plate? I sure as hell don't live in one of the 19 that are retarded enough to only issue you a single.

>>34315579
underrated.

>>34323993
I googled it. Took me 15 seconds.

Recruit training in US varies from 4 weeks to 6 months.

To become a police officer in Europe usually takes from 2 to 3 years, depending on the country in question.

When it comes to hours spent on training/academy, your cops spend less time learning than regular security guards do in my country.

>>34324053
>cop keeps cool
>tells them not to reach for the firearm
>they reach for the firearm
>tells them multiple times in a few seconds to stop stop stop stop
>shoots
>somehow the cop is in the wrong
????? What? You can plainly hear the cop saying 'dont pull it out' and the driver continued to move. When a cop is at your window and tells you not to do something, you freeze what you're doing and put your hands in sight.

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>>34319564
>refuse to answer any questions about where I've been or where I'm going
>I recorded the interaction
please fucking kill yourself sovereign citizen trash

>>34316981
>2) The wording is totally wrong, you say "don`t move" not "don`t pull that gun", because if you say the latter, the civilian will think "I`m not pulling my gun, I`m reaching for whatever the fuck I am reaching". The wording is key and that officer fucked up.

I think this is exactly what happened.
>Don't reach for it [the gun]
>I'm not, i'm reaching for the other thing
>*gunshots*

>>34324083

If your state only requires one plate for registration, you only need to have one plate for registration in ANY STATE.

Any cop saying otherwise is an idiot.

Any person saying otherwise is a barracks lawyer faggot.

>Travel all around the country IN A CAR, so know what I'm talking about.

>>34315622
>most of the people that will get the joke are the ones you're making fun of

....what is the problem with that? Retard?

>>34324141

Which is why the cop didn't convicted, but he DID get kicked off the force.

Yeah, he was scared, but he was also super fucking incompetent. Bad combo.

>>34324132
My reaction as well, i would expect the driver to stop fiddling in his pocket after telling the cop that he has a firearm. Im not saying that the cop was in the right, as he should have waited until he actually saw a gun before shooting, but i would probably also be a bit twitchy in the situation...

>>34324168
>not convicted
>but found grounds enough to be fired from the force
How the fuck does that happen?
>we dont think you didnt anything wrong but you fucked up big time and you're fired
What. What the fuck.

>>34323921
So it's your position that Pennsylvania v Mimms didn't base its decision on the fact that the officer had already noticed a "bulge" which created reasonable suspicion sufficient to allow the officer to order Mimms from the vehicle? You're wrong. It was the "officer danger" element that allowed the command and the subsequent patdown for "officer safety." Those aren't the facts presented here, thus the case is distinguishable.

>>34319564
hey jackass, cops can order you out of your car at any time thanks to SCOTUS, you ignored a lawful order and should've been tazed

I hate police and even I know that

>>34324229
>Pennsylvania v Mimms
How does that case relate to you again?...

>>34323070
no one cares, you jackboot military dropout

>>34324194
the governor didnt like people on his lawn

>>34324053
>Hardcore feelings with your raving meanings

>>34324132
You have to take into account that the citizen in question might be scared and not thinking rationally. I mean, he is a black man, with a gun, getting pulled over.

People do really irrational and stupid shit when they are scared, feel cornered or are just anxious.

The police officer however did go from verbal commands to magdumping in a couple of seconds. And he is visibly shaken, scared and not in control of the situation, I would not want that kind of a person to pull me over.

I'd rather get pulled over by a professional leo that doesn't shit his pants the moment he senses any sort of supposed threat and empties his magazine into my chest area.

This situation seemed to have all the makings of a police shooting. Dumb black guy who couldn't follow orders and a poorly trained cop that got scared.

>>34324194
>How the fuck does that happen?
>>we dont think you didnt anything wrong but you fucked up big time and you're fired
>What. What the fuck.

Public safety concern. They feel he reacted with fear, and 'fear for your life' is a rational reason to fire.

But they feel he doesn't have the mettle to be a police officer, especially in the current climate of confrontation.

I actually agree. He might not have MURDERED someone, but his inability to manage his own fear shows that he isn't capable of doing the job. I think more forces should follow suit.

>>34323857
Cops can demand ID during a traffic stop, because you are required to identify yourself. Your passengers are not, and if you were on the street you are not. It's only by virtue of there being a traffic stop that ID is required; otherwise there's no general ability of the police to demand ID without reasonable suspicion of a crime.

>>34323897
Why would responding "no" make things worse at all?

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>>34324276
So he killed someone out of fear, but isnt guilty of murder; but he is being removed from his job position because his inability to properly process his fear resulted in a murder?... I am so confused about america

>>34324315
Because you've just fucked yourself when he figures out you're carrying?
Best way to turn order into chaos and become a bullet sponge.

>>34324297
Incorrect depending on the jurisdiction.

>>34324326

>Drive a truck
>Not very good at it
>Bad road conditions
>Start to skid
>Freak out and can't handle the vehicle
>Accidentally through a parking lot
>Nobody hurt
>Truck totaled
>Definitely not going to keep your job after that.

Same thing.

Just because he didn't commit a criminal offense doesn't mean he isn't responsible for a needless death by way of his own incompetence. Not Guilty and Innocent are two very different things.

>>34324297
all this depends on state law

>>34324370
.... Yeah no shit if you're bad at driving a truck dont try to fake it to get a job as a truck driver... That is a terrible explanation...

If he is found incompetent he should also be found guilty due to incompetence or negligence.

>>34320195
2014 numbers bro. Those numbers have shot wayyy the fuck up in 2016. Its been a crazy year and a half for police.

Why do US police officers take deadly force so lightly?

Half of the shit they pull would result in a prison sentence / kicking off the force in a country like Australia / Any euro country.

firing at suspects that are boxed in and move their car two feet toward an officer.
firing at a suspect fleeing in a car.
firing at a suspect running away.
firing at a suspect with a stick or anything they consider a deadly weapon.

They never seem to have any consideration for the suspects well-being. All thought is put on the safety of the officers, but they'll happily just pump the crook full of holes, handcuff him and let him bleed on the road.

It's really disturbing to see US police in action when you know that the officers would go to jail for acting so recklessly in your own country.

Do they get trained by Israelis or what? What happened to community policing and people skills? Wrestling a suspect to the ground and dragging him to jail?

>>34324245

Because the anon in >>34323821 (don't know if it was you) quoted it in defense of his position that cops can order you out of the car without reasonable suspicion. Not true, unless they can articulate a specific officer safety reason.

That being said, the Court did also say that it could hypothetically be safer just to order someone out of the vehicle so the officer doesn't have to stand too close to oncoming traffic, so the officer safety reason is pretty lax, but the point is the officer does have to be able to articulate something other than "because I just say so." In Pennsylvania v. Mimms, though, the cops saw a noticeable bulge and reasonably suspected the guy was armed and a possible threat.

>>34324435
Nobody fucking cares about your faggot country you loser. You have no idea what ghetto shitholes in the US are like.

>>34324434
I seriously doubt cops increased the murder rate that much, they aren't even charged in 90% of the cases.

>>34324394
Nope. Nowhere in the United States are you required to show ID just because an officer asks for it. There has to be reasonable suspicion that you committed a crime, or a specific exception like a traffic stop that requires the driver to produce ID.

Whether I'm in Alaska or Colorado or Texas or New York, if I'm walking down the street and a cop asks for ID, I can refuse. In order to require ID, he has to have an articulable reasonable suspicion that I have committed a crime, and "suspicious behavior" is pretty well limited by case law to a specific reason that a specific crime has been committed. Not just "you look suspicious" or "taking pictures/being here at night/other lawful activity that might seem out of the ordinary seems sketchy."

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>>34324455
You already admitted to being evasive, not answering questions and generally ignoring officers.... if that isn't reasonable suspicion I dont know what is...
>inb4 'oh i have to let the cops just rape me?'
You have to trust that they wont if you're not doing anything wrong. Had you consented to the search they would have had no reason to keep going. If you said 'sure come on in guys want a bottle of snapple? They're in the trunk, ill pop it right now' they would have had a laugh with you and you'd have been on your way.

Denying the search is the same as saying 'i would rather you not because i might be guilty of something'

Stop being a dick head, your case isnt going to the federal court, a local judge is going to look at it, tell you to not be a dick head, and give you a ticket.

Congrats, instead of wasting maybe 10 minutes, you wasted the hour sitting there, and however much you spend in court.
Baka.

>>34322982
This.

>>34324497
Actually
https://www.nyclu.org/en/stop-and-frisk-data
When criminals knew they could be randomly stopped and questioned they became less common.

Sorry if you feel like that's infringing on your rights but if you're not doing anything illegal what does it matter. You have a friendly conversation with an officer for 2 minutes and go on your way.

Unless you're a criminal. Are you a criminal anon.

>>34323310
Exactly. Point being, police don't make traffic stops for minor violations for any other real reason than that it might turn into a lottery ticket for them resulting in a drug bust or someone with warrants. So "you've got a broken taillight, here's a warning, get that fixed" becomes the basis for greater intrusion and more opportunity for a cop to "fear for his life" or some asshole with a warrant to decide he ain't going to jail today.

>>34324545
Literally contrary to the philosophies our nation was founded upon. Go sound your urethra with barbed wire.

>>34324545
How far up your ass does a boot have to be so you can still lick it?

>>34324168
He walked because they didn't select any jurors who were comfortable with concealed carry.

>>34324463
It's always the same "BUT WE HAVE NIGGERS!" -argument.

The problem is not only your poor people and minorities, but your poor standards when it comes to law enforcement.

Instead of the fatties, literal retards and people with anger management problems, try hiring actually competent people and train them for a period longer than six fucking months. It's not the wild west anymore, people expect more from the town sheriff nowadays.

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>>34324497
But in the state where if you pull up to a traffic roadblock, and refuse to show you automaticly say you have no insurance. Then your auto will be towed cause there is a unlicensed driver with no proof of insurance. This happens to all blacks and whites, but not to tomato picking spicks! Plus when my daughter was hit by a mexican, they did not even write the bitch a ticket just let her walk off.

>>34324367
Nope. See >>34324497

>>34324545
>If you're not breaking the law, who cares? ;^)
>Your rights being infringed upon for no reason other than that your betters think it's ok is fine!
>who even cares about that whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing?

Fuck off and die statist

>>34324435
>Why do US police officers take deadly force so lightly?
Because the Kyle Dinkheller video has convinced police academies across the nation that the subject of a traffic stop is an enemy combatant.

Please watch the whole video
https://youtu.be/KDOUPGgSvR0

In reality the lesson they should have learned frof this incident was to respect people and respect their own use of force, because Brannan doesn't decide to kill Dinkheller until after Dinkheller has a ND through Brannon'so windshield, but drawing incorrect conclusions to justify fucking over the regular person seems to be a police talent.
>>34324492
FBI homicide statistics aren't about murder charges, unlike some othere nations, we count every homicide that gets investigated.

Police Academy USA - 20 Weeks
Police Academy Germany - 156 Weeks

do they give out certificates in cereal boxes over there? maybe they could make it an online course or just give out badges with happy meals

>>34324621
You don't even live here, numbnuts. Stay in your lane.

>>34324693
Same with driving licenses etc. They'd rather die than educate eachother.

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>>34324657
What rights, you're in public. You can also be video taped in public without your consent.
>>34324597
>>34324608
All I hear is muh rights muh rights. Fucking sovereign citiztards like you wouldn't know your rights if they were duck taped to your lunchbox.

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>>34324648
Nice unironic racism.

>>34324515
First of all, I didn't "admit to being evasive, not answering questions, and generally ignoring officers."

Second, not consenting to a search is 100% lawful. Just as it's lawful for them to ask. Do I get to start screaming and acting like an ass and interrogating the officer because they asked to search? No, THEN I'd be an idiot. Just like the officer's an idiot if he doesn't take a polite "no" when he does ask.

I don't give a shit about the ticket, it's not like giving consent to search is going to get me out of that anyway. So if the officer escalates it and conducts an illegal search with no probable cause and no consent, he's exposing his department to liability and he's losing credibility with the judge and prosecutor fast.

But from a much more practical perspective, let's say he had zero probable cause and no consent, but orders some guy out of the vehicle and conducted the search anyway. Guess what happens when he finds a kilo of cocaine or a dead body in the trunk? Case dismissed, bad guy walks. All day, e'ery day. And his department gets to explain to the public why a major case couldn't be prosecuted because a cop couldn't do his job within the law.

>>34324720
You have a jumbled brain my friend. Rights flow both ways and the intricacies of how they interact are not your strong suit.

>>34324720
Get the boot polish off your tongue, it makes your breath smell like shit.

Literally move to Eastern Europe if you have a problem with rights.

>>34324597
>>34324608
How delusional do you have to be to not understand that in extremely high crime areas it's a good idea to check people in public. They're not going into homes no-knock warrant style, they're stoping people in bad parts of town.

How far down the antifa anarchist rabbit hole can you go.
>so what, he's just a known crack dealer with multiple felons hanging out on the corner slinging dope
>you need irrefutable evidence!!
>even though they're immediately found guilty within 30 seconds
Keep calling normal human beings 'boot lickers' and we'll end up electing some idiot as president just out of spite. Oh wait.

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>>34324693
>Police Academy Germany - 156 Weeks
because they have to be fluent in Turkish as well as Arabic now. Shit takes time.

>>34324692
Yeah, seen this before. why would you use this as a training tool if you didn't want to make your officers fear for their lives every time they make a traffic stop?

I mean, I'm all for having cops be able to protect themselves, but putting so much emphasis on officer safety by training them to treat every person as a possible assailant puts the public at danger, especially if the cops have little to fear when it comes to reprecussions from the use of deadly force.

Going from treating every person like they could kill you to treating them like a "customer" could help.

>>34324727
accept that it's ok people are different and prefer their own kin or kill yourself

>>34324766
Not taking the b8, m8.

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>get pulled over for a rolling stop
>hand cop man drivers licence, insurance and chl
>you got a gun on ya?
>yes on my hip
>k just leave it there
>checks my shit
>comes back and gives me my stuff back
>tell me to stop completely next time and just drives off
Literally that easy

>>34314427

Holy fuck you Americans really live in a police state.

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>>34324781
>accept

>>34324720
Getting videotaped in public isn't the same as police harrasment you fucking idiot

>>34324545
>Sir, can I see your ID?
>I just ran your ID and it says you've had NICS checks done before
>You're aware that firearms were banned last August, right, sir?
>I'd like to search your vehicle now

>>34324784
>not being an antifa retard mean you're baiting
Nice anon. really nice. You should probably go back to pol where everything is bait and switch.

>>34324545
Nope, and don't enjoy being made to feel like one because some cop wants to give me the third degree for the third time this week while I'm walking from my office to another business two or three blocks away.

It isn't hard for one's attitude to go from chatty "yes sir, officer, just going to meet my wife at the restaurant, sure here's my ID" to "yep, on my way to the bank, why exactly do you need to run my ID?" to "fuck off, go about your business and I'll do the same."

If there's no articulable reasonable suspicion that I've committed a crime, I have no more duty to give that officer ID than if you walked up to random people on the street with the same request.

>>34324768
It's one of the reasons why there are less police involved shootings in Europe.

Sure the lack of guns and poor minorities is a thing, but you don't see huge amounts of police shootings in Austria or Finland.

So that leaves minorities/poor people or the lack of training to blame for.

>>34324815
LMAO what. Harassment is harassment. Maybe in your cherry picked instance it isn't but I can assure you they are very similar.
>>34324821
You and I both know that's not how that works anon.

I actually wonder how often people get pulled over.

Been driving twelve years and I haven't been pulled over.

>>34324824
You're terrible at this, kid.

>>34314427
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zEixWYqPVA

This is what a competent police force looks like.

>>34324863
>it's bait kid kid kid
Nice retort. Really gets the ol' brain box jigglin'.

The fact of the matter is you sovereign citizen idiots think you have all these special rights that aren't real.

>>34324766
Slobber all over the filthy cockerel of your political betters. You could
>Eliminate the money flow that empowers these criminal slugs by ending drug prohibition, and eliminate them as a class by subsidizing abortions and not subsidizing welfare babies.
Or
>you could give the state even more power, which they will inevitably use against you once 51% of the voting population decides something you like or do hurts their feelings.

Which should I choose?

>The state police sure have a snazzy uniform, better give them arbitrary power over me, by which I mean everyone.

And you wonder why I hate the statist right almost as much as I hate the statist left?

>>34324838
Police are public employees, the public has a right to document what they do.

>>34324877
They don't, but so far we've only been talking about rights guaranteed by the Fourth Amendment, which is real even if some cops hate it and don't understand it.

>>34324869
>uses norway as an example, literally one of the countries with the lowest crime rates
>lowest cultural differences
>'i havent seen a cop in 30 minutes!' as a cop drives past him in the background
>police admit that they have never had to deal with real crime and would probably be completely unprepared for it if it was necessary
..... Anon gun ownership is illegal in somalia too.

>in norway the police shoot average one round per year
>but these assholes in america that have a shit load more crime, diversity, drug problems, and problems in general shoot way more!

Do I even need to tell you how much of a puff piece this is? If the last time their police fired a gun was 5 years ago, what the fuck kind of training and ability do they have to perform if needed?

>>34324881
Ah yes the classic, if you legalize it, you will cut their funding!
Too bad most legalized drugs are more expensive and harder to get. Nice fucking work not understanding how people actually function.
>>34324891
>>34324881
The police have special rights over you, im sorry if you don't believe it. Go assault a cop and see what happens.
>>34324917
There you go against not understanding your rights. Nice one.

>>34314427

I did. Once.

Would not recommend it.

>>34324877
>Act like a kid
>Get called a kid
>Act like a kid
Circles can be vicious.

>>34324978
>t. p.

>>34324774
>why would you use this as a training tool if you didn't want to make your officers fear for their lives every time they make a traffic stop?
Because you can use that fear as an excuse to expand the poser of your political class betters.

In reality, being a cop is safer than driving bus, they don't need special immunities or protections, but police unions and "Law and Order Politicians" have a vested interest in making policing be an "us vs them" proposition.

Most police officers have no business carrying a gun in our name.

>>34324980
>say something to contradict you
>get called a kid
>again tell you off
>get called a kid again
>vicious circles
hmmmm Are you drunk or just acting like a fool?...

>>34324955
How can one post be so wrong? Summer is rough.

>>34325008
>t. kid

>>34324934
Finland is a different story. There are multiple instances a year where a person confronts a police with a firerarm or a deadly weapon, most of those situations are diffused without any loss of life.

some suspects are shot in the leg, others tazed or wrestled to the ground. None, have ever been shot full of holes.

This is because when they encounted a situation where deadly force is justified and used, its kept to a minimum in order to save the lives of everyone, including the suspect.

Your average officer will never use his weapon here, since its the last option and things rarely get to that point. If it's needed, it's used with all risks in mind and with care.

They don't jump on the hood of the suspects car and fire 17 rounds from a glock through the windshield or surround a person wielding a knife, fire 20 rounds at him and put handcuffs on the lifeless body. That's not police work, thats incompetent people causing one more unwarranted death.

>>34324955
Drugs are about profit margin, the supply for the corner dealer will go away when the distributor or producer can make more money for less risk legit.

It doesn't matter that the street price of an eighth in Denver has increased 50%, the profit margin for an illicit dealer has take a shit and so that income source has evaporated for the street dealers/gangs.

The mob had to give up running rum and reinvent itself as a smaller organization with less power and less ability to cause mayhem after prohibition ended. This is historical data, and inarguable. The argument against relaxing drug prohibition is only ever a moralizing and accessibility one, and the ease of access now, when that shit is banned, renders those arguments logically toothless, even if they retain their emotional appeal for millions of morons, apparently yourself included.
>The police have special rights over you, im sorry if you don't believe it. Go assault a cop and see what happens
Never said they didn't, what I said was that they didn't deserve those rights and immunities and that those rights and immunities are not a public good.

Learn to read .

Also, it's never against the law to openly record an on-duty police officer in public. You might get assaulted or harassed, but you will not get convicted, this is established case law. Surreptitious recording can get you in trouble in two party consent states.

But again, masturbate using lye for lube and then relax with a methanol cocktail and a bleach chaser.

>>34325144
The main problem I see with ``legalize it'' proponents is that they only ever attack the problem from one angle.
It's true that legalization of illicit substances will probably put the basic low-brow criminal out of work--which is most likely what people are looking for. Large criminal enterprises will probably use their enormous coffers to simply diversify their business and supply whatever else is still illicit--women, firearms, monopolistic legislation, whatever. Then whatever they're supplying is just going to be the next big boogeyman of the decades.

This is the sort of problem I'm talking about. You can talk the ears off of a person trying to realize a pseudo-ancap fantasy where pretty much everything that has a price is legalized and regulated, or you can take the social route.

Supply will obviously collapse when demand falls. Why don't you simply tell people not to take drugs? There's a million angles you can approach this from. Drugs fund criminals. Criminals are the ones holding back Central and Latin American countries. Criminals would not be able to support these regimes without the money from your habit.
Invoke ethnic pride, appeal to emotion, whatever Goebbels-tier propaganda you have to pull to get people to stop doing drugs. I think that if you put actual effort into demonizing drugs as the tools of the thug, you can dramatically reduce demands.

>>34325441
>Why don't you simply tell people not to take drugs?
Because we've tried this, with negative success, for 40 years.

Yes, there are social factors behind drug use (users tend to have shit lives even before they start using, it correlates very strongly with rate of painkiller prescription), etc, but economic attack is proven most effective.

>>34325514
All I've ever seen is "drug ruins lives :DD" from the same handful of groups. They all spout the same crap, some even outright lying. When your propaganda gets tied to lying, you've already failed.
The right way to go when demonizing something is to tell the absolute truth. I've never seen one invoking ethnic pride "Mexico would be great again if you stopped taking drugs". And it would be.

The most important thing about these social programs is that they can be done right now. How long do you think it will be for you to get legislation legalizing meth? Your sons and daughters would be getting their first gray hairs.

>>34324838
You can't assure shit, because you're a monumental retard

Kys

>>34324132
No ones defending the passengers dumb as shit actions, it's just the cop did overreact. It should be common sense that someone who politely and willingly tells you they're armed probably doesn't have intentions on shooting you.

>>34324849
>12 years and never been pulled over

Do you live in the middle of the Alaskan tundra or Nevada desert?

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At least it's still legal to express your opinions

>>34314857
If you dont bother being an almighty cunt maybe people would tell your mall cop ass, faggot.