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>>34311609
A competency test? That's kinda dumb. Some kind of screening? Whatever. I went to a public range that made you watch a safety video if it was your first time there. It took like 5 minutes.

There's a better way to spin this: every range has rules. It's not unreasonable for a range to have shooters show that they have observed the rules before using the range. Depending on where you're at, and your clientele, different degrees of trust are required to ensure that you aren't faced with the consequences of having a liability on premise.

>>34311692
>A competency test?

it's straight outta our european gun laws book. I need to pay an FFL 100€ every 5 years to shoot 10rds under his supervision to get his stamp on a piece of paper that I then mail in to my ministry of the interior to be able to keep a gun at home for HD. JUST. Ian is just a closeted I'm better then you liberal.

>>34311726
where in europe do you need that?
sounds a bit like germanium to me

>>34311760
>sounds a bit like germanium to me
Austria.

>>34311609
Ranges are private property, and the public is fucking stupid. If you have a problem passing an easy competency test, go to some other range and get ND'd into by Tyrone and his friends, or go innawoods instead.

Seriously, people seem to always overlook just how dumb and dangerous the average person can be with a gun

For the Ian fanboys that don't know, he's had a rather socialist past of hating on capitalism and going batshit crazy making a house as far away from normies as possible.

And please, donate toothpaste and toothbrushes to Karl.

>>34311609
to be fair, there are a lot of retards out there and you're putting your life in their hands going to a range. Especially in ranges that get packed. But to add to what they're saying, each range itself should have to pass competency tests in case someone does get shot on their range.

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=19354545

>>34311770
>I need to pay an FFL 100€ every 5 years to shoot 10rds under his supervision to get his stamp on a piece of paper that I then mail in to my ministry of the interior to be able to keep a gun at home for HD
>Austria
woah son
I'm from Austria too and never heard of that BS
the only thing that occours every 5 years is the police checkup

>>34311726
There's a huge difference between ranges doing this on their own volition, and government mandates.

A government mandate is a blanket legislation that inherently restricts freedom, and inhibits the free exercise of firearm usage, because it will inevitably escalate to the point that only a very few people will be able to own firearms. A private business doing it out of self interest, whether it's because they don't want to be sued, or make constant repairs to the place, is now presenting an inconvenience.

I'm not saying tests are good. I'm just saying they're not evil without context.

>>34311836
>woah son
>I'm from Austria too and never heard of that BS
>the only thing that occours every 5 years is the police checkup

woah son, I guess you ain't a gun owner if you don't know about § 5 (2) 2. WaffV ...

>>34311800
As long as he doesn't inject his politics when he talks about guns and their history, then I'm perfectly fine with that. I respect Ian for that.

>>34311800
Ian is actually autistic I believe. I'm saying this with sincerity, too. I believe it is very mild, but the signs are unmistakable. Karl is a normal guy, but Ian is a complete nutjob who barely manages to conceal it. Remember when he went on a twenty minute tirade about how mad he was at people leaving mean comments on his videos? Imagine having such thin skin at that age. The most pressing sign though of a mental illness is how he refuses to admit he's wrong, and states his subjective opinions as if they were objective facts. He's a very laughable human, and I honestly can't fathom why Karl stays around this loser. I assume it's to continue milking money from idiots via their videos, but who knows, maybe Karl has a little something loose too? Very surreal how nobody on this board is capable of picking up on such obvious cues, maybe his fans share his disability and that's why they feel connected to him and have an urge to defend him anytime someone dares to mock him or one of his "factual" opinions.

>>34311609
>Q&A
>where he gives his personal opinions

>anon doesn't like the answer to a certain question, so he comes and defames him on /k/

Nobody is perfect anon

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>"...and quite frankly I believe in some form of restrictive legislation because it has been shown to work statistically in high crime areas..." -Ian

What did he mean by this?

>>34311609
that dude has a faggoty haircut. Fuck is his problem wanna be hitler youth ass nigga.

>>34311609
If a privately owned range wants to implement such a test it's well within their right to do so.

Plus many people, particularly those on public ranges, can be monumentally unsafe or incompetent with guns and pose a risk to others, a basic competency test could go a long way towards making ranges safer.

Ownership shouldn't be infringed, as it's an individual right, but usage of guns on other people's property should require a minimum level of competence to ensure safety.

>>34312034
wheraboo who's stuck in the past is a closet racist what a surprise

>>34311779

This.

My members only range has an indoor section and there are countless holes in the ceiling. Thankfully the floor is reinforced and nothing has (yet) made it into the upstairs area.

At least once per year we get a letter that someone missed the outdoor backstop (not the target. The 15' high dirt and railroad tie backstop) and hit something on a farm down the road.

These people are the same ones we have to support to keep our rights and it horrifies me sometimes.

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>>34312100
>>34311848
>>34311821
>>34311779

OP here. I have no objections if private ranges, being the private businesses they are, have rules you have to follow - even if it's you having to show up with a top hat and in a g string. That wasn't my point you the lot of you very well know it!

Ian should be very careful what he wishes for because when the "class" of shooters goes up as he puts it, the number of shooters goes down and with that, shooting and competitions get more expensive and less common.

>>34312108
It's a Francophile which is even worse

>>34311800
>going off the grid
>socialist

>>34312034
until i see a source for this i will be calling bullshit

>>34311928
Are you sure you're talking about the correct person? Ian is the one with the long hair. Karl is the autist that goes on rants and huffs paint.

On one hand, I think it's a good idea. I've never been to a range that DIDN'T have holes in the walls and ceilings. Even if it's not malicious and through no fault of their own, it still highlights that there are people who make very basic mistakes that could pose a risk to those around them. I've been to ranges that make you read two pages of very specific rules becasue people have done some very idiotic things in the past. A basic competencies test would probably cut down on things like that; not eliminate them, but it would help.

On the other hand, while it might keep out some of the honest to God idiots, it would probably also drive away some new shooters. I've seen plenty of new shooters who wee downright terrible and had no idea what they were doing, but it's not because of a lack of sincerity, they just don't know better. How are people who don't know what they are doing supposed to get better if they feel ostracized visiting a place of practice?

So while restrictions can make shooting safer and more enjoyable in some regards, it can also marginalize new shooters and breed a sense of entitlement and "class war". What I really think the issue is, is easily accessible basic firearms knowledge for new shooters. What I think should be mandatory, is a free 5-10 minute class on gun safety and handling when you purchase your fist firearm.

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>>34311609
To be perfectly honest I've heard enough range horror stories from the board alone to think it might not be a terrible idea.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of any sort of gun control outside of a quick background check (basically what even the loosest gun law states already do, and even then I think they should be loosened a bit so criminal offenses/medication doesn't count if you've had a clean record for like three years or so), but maybe a quick check to make sure you know the four rules or are just generally safe around guns before hand you a range membership card or something wouldn't be a terrible idea. Something that basically anyone who isn't a complete fucking retard who's gonna point a gun at you and pull the trigger under the idea that "chill bro, it's not loaded" can pass in like a minute.
Besides, if you don't dig it just go innawoods to shoot, it's better than a range anyway.

I eagerly await the hate

>>34311760

In France you need to register to the shooting federation and go through a training program to the nearest shooting range kinda like you do for driver licenses. Then they give you a permit for a bunch of years, but you do have to go to the range every couple of months to validate your shooting abilities. Then you can only have twelve weapons and a limited amount of ammunition like 2r rounds of something in storage. Obviously you also have to register all your weapons and at the slightest offence, even totally not gun related, the prefect who grant you the right to buy weapons tbw can take your permit and weapons indefinitely.

>>34311880
nice, another thing I didn't learn at the waffenführerschein...

>>34312265
You never will. It's always been posted with none, cause it's bullshit.

>>34312916
>you do have to go to the range every couple of months to validate your shooting abilities

I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out you have to spend more time training than your cops... which is just insane.

>>34312920
>waffenführerschein

Wenn du den hast dann sollten da eine paar Seiten drinn sein für folgende "Nachschulungen" ( § 5 (2) 2. WaffV, Überprüfung nach § 25 WaffG)?

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>>34312941

Yeah, dunno about that.

If you read the news about the muslim guy who got shot under the eiffel tower raming a police van, he had a legal permit, two 9mm pistols, a glock and Sig Sauer as well as a 7.62 AK.

Dude was known as a potential terrorist "fiché S" by French authorities. They didn't take his guns though.

>>34312989
no I'm srs - I'd love to know how much a frog has to train and how much a frog cop trains in comparison...

>>34311836
The police can visit you in anytime in order to check propper storage.What he's talking about is validating his permit which by the way 100 euros is way too much.Makes me thankful i live in the savage lands of the Balkans.

>>34312967
"seiten"
guter Witz
das war ein A4 Blatt

>>34313482
das ist ein pinker Falter genauso with anno dazumal die echten Führerscheine es waren.

>>34311726
He isn't a liberal, he's an elitist.

>>34313534
>He isn't a liberal, he's an elitist.

those two are synonymous really.

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competency test is not the worst idea in the world

>>34312868
Nah, that sounds perfectly reasonable

>>34313534
When people like fudds and anons on /k/ exist, it's really easy to be an elitist, especially when you've put as much work into gun shit as Ian has.

I get scared as hell when I go to indoor ranges where they have gun rentals. I started only going on weekdays around lunch. Too many homeboys looking to impress women doing stupid shit. Maybe not a test but at least more supervision for rentals and watch a video at least. One of the ranges near my house is super nice but dangerous as hell due to being in the city. Someone rented a gun and blew their brains out back in december but at least he didn't sweep anyone that I heared.

>>34311609
>/k/ has constant fucking threads about retards endangering people at public ranges
>"hurr fuck these sellouts for saying morons shouldn't be allowed to handle guns in public without learning how to use them"

You should use your time you spend shitposting to better learn safety rules, that way mean ol' Ian doesn't have to talk about dumbasses like you in his videos.

>>34311609
I also think it's a good idea, and I would implement such a rule if I owned a range.
Anybody who thinks we need a law mandating it though, can fuck right off.

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>>34311928
>Karl is a normal guy
opinion discarded, if anything Karl is the autist

>>34313531
nicht bei jedem wies ausschaut

>>34311609
I took what Ian said as basically

>First timer at range

>Have you shot a gun before?

>Have to repeat basic firearm safety rules

>Start shooting

If the person cannot repeat the basic rules of Firearm safety they should have to watch a 5 minute safety video. Obviouslly this only applies for the first time, after that they know you know the basic rules.

>>34311609
The NRA range in Fairfax makes you take a test. 10 or 20 questions, open book. Shooters paradise in Woodbridge, been closed for a while, didn't. This woman rented a gun there once, sent a few downrange then an heroed herself like it was second nature. I don't care either way, I shoot on private land these days and you ain't welcome round them parts

>>34315135
This.

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They are literally the biggest elitist armchair commandos I've ever seen. Stopped watching after the Hudson 9 dicksucking and rethinking the AR 15.

I hate seeing stupid fucking idiots chomping at the bit to give up more rights and give people more control over gun rights and private property. Wouldn't surprise me if neo/k/ supported this because their favorite ecelebs do.

Yep just read through and plenty of you retards agree with this.

Kill yourselves as soon as possible, but don't use the gun you don't deserve and add another statistic. Just hang yourselves instead fucking bootlicking newfags.

SHALL

>>34315710
I just like Forgotten Weapons, inrange is just a massive fucking shitshow.

>>34315797
Seeing how much of a cunt Ian appears to be I'm starting to question my sub to forgotten weapons as well.

Nothing I hate more than when gun guys get elitist and start asking for muh rules. Sickening, and honestly hurts everyone more than when some no guns cunt whines for more regulations or rules.

Ian and Karl fancy themselves tough shit because they go out on weekends to stupid fucking two gun matches and Karl did muh camp Perry. The narcissism is something to behold.

>>34311928
>Remember when he went on a twenty minute tirade about how mad he was at people leaving mean comments on his videos?

...no...?

>>34311928
>refuses to admit he's wrong

Ian? Do you even watch his videos?

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>>34316083
mandatory firearms training might be a good idea for inner city gangs
make it more likely they hit their drive by targets instead of random kids and passerby

>>34311800
Proof or fuck off.

I know the house part is true, but that has nothing to do with being a socialist. If I could go live in a house I built in the middle of the desert with a bunch of guns I'd do it in a fucking heartbeat, and I'm as far from a socialist as you can fucking get.

>>34311928
You literally have them backwards, retard.

>>34311609
>I wonder what kind of idiot gives these two e-beggars money on patreon?
i-i do

>>34313534
Pretty much the same thing these days.

>>34311609
Making sure people know how to safely handle firearms? What a colossal faggot he is for even suggesting that.

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>>34311609
My gun club has something like this. You basically prove that you're not a fucking retard and a danger to everyone else on the range. I kind of get all the REEE-ing in this thread, but after using public ranges with the rest of you autistic fuckers, shooting with vetted bros is a breath of fresh air.

>>34316534
Kill yourself Reddit I can tell it just by the way you post.

Go back to /r/guns you bootlicking cuck

>muh right to be a dumbass with a firearm

>>34311609
I appreciate that Karl internally disagreed with him

>>34311800
There's a whole article on getrichslowly written by him. While he did make an earthen house in bumblefuck nowhere to avoid normies, little of his reasoning seems socialistic. Socialists want subsidized or commune housing, not off-grid off-teet.

Ian seems like a NEET at heart, hated wagecuckery and spent some mosest inheritance well by buying land to reduce his cost of living.

Honestly I'm jealous as fuck of Ian for all that. Took restraint, determination, drive and foresight most here lack.

>>34311928
Ian demonstrates none of the concrete thinking which is the most outwardly thought-process sign of autism spectrum.

That said a touch of spergness is one of /k/'s uniting factors. Normal people don't stop conversations because someone said "clip" when not appropriate.

>>34315710
You have never watched most youtube gun channels then. TheYankeeMarshal gets grating but that's like one tier in only. Nutn is an actual inbred that MUH VET STATUS's enough to be annnoying, but even he is mostly just a sperglord. Watch some james yeager, or even deeper, just the videos of people who work for him.

>>34312360
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>>34316202
too be honest i think theyre both autists just that Ian is actually high functioning to almost savant levels. Karl is just incapable of containing himself.

>>34311609
Meh, I’m ok with a private business requiring a test or whatever, government ranges and land I’m not ok with. A nearby indoor range requires a test before “rapid firing”, which was fine with me, indoor target systems are expensive. The private range I joined required a background check as well as a test. Many in the area also require work days where members work the range. I get where Ian is coming from in that he seemed to look at it from the liability standpoint. If I operated a range I would require one.

>>34311800
>wanting to live in the inna desert in the side of a hill is socialism
>any anticapitalism is pro-socialism

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>>34311609
>Frankly the proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. [...]. Workingmen of all countries, unite! ~Ian
what did he mean by this?

Am I only one that finds it cute that Karl is slowly adopting "frankly"

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>>34315710

Say that to my face. Fucking try it, kiddo.

>>34319094
>calling someone autistic while complimenting them
Lol nice one anon

>>34316184
That's until you get shot by your own gun because you decided living in the scorching hot Arizona desert was a good idea or because all the rich old mayonnaise monkeys who hog up all the guns decided to retire there.

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>>34311836
How often is the penis inspection?