F-35 Performs Flying Display at Paris Air Show 2017 https://

http://breakingdefense.com/2017/06/pilots-say-f-35-superior-within-visual-range-dogfight-criticisms-laid-to-rest/

>You can read what the flight demo is intended to demonstrate on the handout below. But I asked one of the Air Force pilots, Lt. Col. Scott “Cap” Guns, here whether the F-35 would win when fighting close-up with an enemy fighter. His answer was simple: “Without a doubt.” He told reporters at a briefing here that he had gone up against a friend in an F-16 a few months ago. Though the F-35 “performed very well,” he made clear that it hadn’t been dominant. They flew again recently and the F-16 pilot was amazed by the improvement in the F-35’s performance. “What have they done to your jet?” the pilot said, according to Cap. “The difference is we have learned how to fly the jet… and better understand where its advantages are.”

And so the Dunning-Kruger people quietly find a new things to bitch about while learning nothing.

That 3:35 move is impressive for how fat it is.

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>>34300774
my wife is not fat!

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Here she is!

>>34300932
Impressive.

>>34300932
SPREY

BTFO
T
F
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Some practice for the display stateside, pay attention to the vertical acceleration out of the low speed pass.

https://youtu.be/daiLrGm59o8

>>34300932
the F-22 is better

>>34301070
Of course it is, it's supposed to be.

But the anti-F35 loser brigade is having a bad day today.

>>34301070
F-15 is better than F-16
Wow what a killer argument scrap the falcon.

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>>34300932
I don't see anything turning there

>>34301081
>>34301092
why wasn't the f-22 fit for carrier use again?

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>>34300932
very nice

>>34301118
Costs.

All about them moneys.

And I bet some Boeing lobbying also killed it.

>>34301118
Too big, too long of a takeoff roll.

>>34300932
Pretty nimble for a "lemon"

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>>34300755
Pierre Sprey on suicide watch
>"i-it's a turkey, I'm telling you!"

>>34300932
>Tfw in my flight suit right now, out getting lunch
>trying to conceal a raging erection now

Why did you have to do this to me

>>34300932
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A TURKEY, A LEMON, A FAILURE

NO. NONONONO

REEEEEEEEEEE FUCKING AMERICANS REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>34300734
>that roll rate at 4:08

Oh god yes

>>34300844
Where's the F-14?

>>34301291
>Over half a decade old b8

>>34301128
>>34301141
well, too bad, it would've been nice

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>>34301273

>>34300734
Now, can you imagine /k/ if this thing had crashed today?

>>34301118
Too big, too heavy, maintenance would have been a fucking nightmare.

>>34301314
...holy fuck that's a huge plane. Sad that it's out of service because of Iran though.

>>34301318
Who says it didn't off camera while RTB?

>>34301567
Iran has nothing to do with it being out of service
They were extremely expensive and difficult to maintain compared to the Super Hornet

>>34301265
>>34300774
>>34300932
>>34301151
>>34301222

Now, just remind yourself that the US will have over 2000 of these things, including a variant that can land vertically like a real life fucking X-wing.

I have a feeling that China is feeling a lot less bullish about the J-20 today.

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>>34301314
F14 is still soooo sexy. RIP Tomcat (unless Iran)

>>34300844
>>34301314
Always blows my mind how it's a tiny little thing (comparatively).

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>>34300734
She is LOUD. Though camera's microphone can't translate sound levels i can say it from reverberations. These accompany really really loud crafts.

>>34301669
>Now, just remind yourself that the US will have over 2000 of these things,
By when? 2051? China will have more than triple that by the same year.

>>34301865
In something like 15 years

>>34301877
Speaking of, do you know the current number of F-35's? Are we past 250?

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>>34301314
Anyone else remember this film?
https://youtu.be/f3XNEWtJF0o?t=1m3s

>>34301825
I remember seeing it at the Miramar Airshow a couple of times, I can confirm she is rather loud.

>>34301877
>15 years
>only 2000
>murican industry

>>34302413
Lmao how is this a bad thing? I swear you vatniks are getting worse and worse at this

>>34303870
what ever happened to a plane a day

>>34303897
They went away when they started being built with more than cloth, wires and some stamped metal. Better than the russian or Chinese though, who's bulk of their air forces are obsolete, J-7s and Su-27s.

>>34300734
Not impressed at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRtOGJTqjkQ

Seriously you're all sperging because it didn't crash or what?

>>34300755
Implying an AF pilot would shit on his brand new plane in public.

I'm not saying he couldn't tell the truth but if the WVR performance was just average you would probably hear the same statement. After all, most pilots wouldn't want to jeopardize their career for being too honest.

>mfw had a free ticket for friday but won't be able to attend

>>34304058
>I'm not saying he couldn't tell the truth

Said after you accused him of lying.

>>34301070
N O T M U L T I R O L E

>>34304058
>Discounting someone with actual experience and expertise because it doesn't follow your preferred narrative.

>>34304425
He's right though, you will NEVER hear a military pilot talking shit about his plane in public, especially if the plane is the latest product on the market, that would be suicidal.

>>34304618
What a convenient excuse.

>>34300755
>>34304058
>Implying WVR and BFM ability matters for a fighter in the 21st century
When will you retards learn.

>>34300932
F-35 a cute
CUTE!

>>34300932
B-BUT GLORIOUS S-400 WILL DESTROY PUNY AMERICAN PLANE, RUSSIA STRONK
kek, waiting for buttmad vatnik and chicom damage control

>>34304785
Excuse for what?
Russky pilots say Russky planes are the best, Burger pilots say Burger planes are the best, what a surprise.

>>34300844
fighting falcon is sex

>>34304927
When the F35 can't detect anything outside of WVR, it matters.

>>34305266
Not really, top F-22 pilots were whistle blowers when the US Air Force wanted to suppress news of malfunctioning oxygen systems, they were protected and the military couldn't touch them.

>>34305395
Ugh, it can. In fact it blows everything else flying out of the water.

>>34305403
>they were protected and the military couldn't touch them.

Their careers basically ended with lockmart agents within the ranks of gov't and airforce.

>>34305447
No, they didn't they went on to continue flying. Do you have no idea what whistle blower protection means? Not only that, but once that story (and the one about the crashed F-22 in Alaska) came out, citizens were calling for blood. If there's one thing that even the most power country/company can't ignore, it's pissed off citizens who vote.

>>34300755
according to wikipedia:

T/W @ 50% fuel:
F-35=1.07
F-16=1.24

this suggests Scott "Cap" Guns is a lying sack of shit lockmart cocksucker

>>34305411
Proof? Not a single air-to-air kill yet, cunt.

>>34305640
>F-35 preforms amazingly, even pilots are impressed
>some retarded fat autist who can't even run a mile in 15 minutes stumbles up to a decorated combat veteran with pages of printouts from 4chan screaming about "muh numbers" and "muh bullshit" before keeling over dead from a heart attack at the ripe old age of 24

okay buddy, go ask mummy for some "tendys" or whatever, I don't want you to get overexcited or anything....

>>34305721
https://theaviationist.com/2017/02/28/red-flag-confirmed-f-35-dominance-with-a-201-kill-ratio-u-s-air-force-says/
Also, if you're going to off offhandedly dismiss this let me say this: There's a reason the Russian and Chinese are scrambling (and failing) to copy what the F-22 and F-35 can do. Sorry, bro.

>>34301935
>wait the whole movie to see the Nimitz destroy the entire Japanese navy in one go
>they go back to the present before it can happen

>>34305774
>sees actual numbers
>spergs out

sounds like you're old school
try this:

m-muh F-4F wildcat (not even the F-6F hellcat, but even then) btfo gook zero in dogfight...brainlet

>>34305640
Doesn't the F-35 carry more fuel to begin with? That'd mean its 50% is still more and heavier than the 16's.

>>34304618
>Discounting someone with actual experience and expertise because it doesn't follow your preferred narrative just because I said so!!

Pilots do talk shit about their aircraft anon, they've talked shit about them forever. Where the fuck do you think the widow-maker nicknames come from for certain aircraft?

t. Airforce

>>34301610
Not to mention old.

>>34301273
On the scrapheap.

>>34306120
Yes, the F-35 carries as much fuel internally as the F-16 does with wing tanks. It is a dishonest comparison.

>>34306069
>F-16 with 50% internal fuel
3,500 lb of fuel

>F-35 with 50% internal fuel
9,000 lb of fuel

An F-35 at 50% fuel is still carrying more fuel than an F-16 can at 100%.

>>34307095
the F16 also didn't cost half a trillion dollars

>>34307157
The F-35 has?

>>34307157
You might want to go over your numbers again.

>>34307157
>muh trillion dollars

Spotted the bern out.

>>34307182
the program is well in the 400 billions

>>34300734
not bad for that little fat boy, altough its engine seem to lack of potency in most parts of the video.

>>34307215
How much has the F-16 cost in its ~40 year lifespan compared to the estimated 50 year cost of the F-35.

>>34307324
>I have no idea what I am talking about

>>34301913
It'd be around 225 or 230 by now I think; they should be delivering a a jet every 6 or 7 days this year.

>>34307324
>High alpha slow pass on just military power
>lacking potency

>>34308219
>>High alpha slow pass on just military power

omfg..YOU BLIND!!!
I was just about to ask why it flew the entire fucking demo with afterburner on.

>>34308305
Gotta go fast when you've only got 6 minutes to do a routine that's normally spread over 10 minutes, plus why wouldn't you use AB if you're there to show off manoeuvring performance?

>>34300932
>>34300932
I don't see anything worthwhile. The Chinese fighter performed better.

inb4 airshows doesn't mean a thing.

>>34308381

>just military power
>why wouldn't you use AB

nice flip flop brah

>>34308305
It didn't. You could clearly hear when the AB kicked in or shut off.

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>>34308444
It's obviously using AB to power out of it, but they definitely also would have dropped down to mil power to slow down into it at the start of the pass.

>>34308478
Here's the audio track scope.

Lol the Lockmart shill is back.

>>34308629
While I'm supposedly at it: https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/arizona/articles/2017-06-19/luke-afb-to-resume-f-35-flights-after-hypoxia-investigation

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>>34308545

>no afterburner
>slows to a crawl

f35 stronk

>>34308767
>Intentionally viewing the maneuvers ignorantly

>>34308767
>AoA greater than 25 degrees

>>34301118
Airframe not designed for the stresses of cats and traps, stealth coatings (as opposed to the -35 where it's integral to the skin), no folding wing (vs the -35C), and perhaps most importantly- no budget.

>>34301610
>Iran has nothing to do with it being out of service
Yes it does, they were scrapped rather than mothballed. On the other hand, F-111 were mothballed, and later Aus bought replacement wings from the boneyard. The -14 is gone and won't be coming back.

>>34305640
Except the F-16 almost never flies purely on internal fuel, and there's more to performance than T:W.
Neck yourself.

>>34305640
>according to wikipedia:

According to Wikipedia the F-22's thrust to weight ratio is barely better than one. We know that's a lie because we have testimony from pilots that the thing can pull multiple Gs by accelerating vertically.

>>34305640
>>34308929
>>34309056
Except when you think about it the F-35 can carry 18,000lbs of fuel compared to the F-16's 7,000. Per pound of fuel the 35 has to have significantly more thrust.

>>34309110
That's just basic physics. What aerodynamics does is take those requirements and lets the plane have nearly unmatched transsonic acceleration, where rapid energy gain is most valuable in air combat.

>>34309124
I suppose it looks to me as if the plane is at the very least kinematically sound and Wiki stats on things that require declassified info generally not highly reliable.

>>34300932
My wife 35 is so graceful

>>34303897

1946

>>34309110
It does.

What is also does is carry that fuel, along with weapons, in ways that don't add 3 metric fucktons of parasitic drag.

>>34300734
>>34300932
Holy shit, thats so fucking lame compare to su or mig.

>>34307215
Which makes 3-4 trillion by 2070 if you count inflation you fucking spaz.

>>34309794
$1.5 trillion

>>34309805
Wasn't this the guy trying to explain that the F-16 was well under 400 billion ? Because if he was talking about the F-35 it seems way off. Research and development cost 55 billion or so, total procurement would bring this to 400 billion or so.

If you do the math for the full F-16 program you get insane numbers anyway. Inflation would easily multiply the numbers by 5-10, and if you count maintenance and all, you're easily at multiple times the total F-35 program cost, meaning multiple times 1.5 trillion.

>>34305640

F-35A on 50% fuel is still carrying more fuel than an F-16 at 100%.

>>34308219
>they should be delivering a a jet every 6 or 7 days this year.
>a jet a week
>better open more production plants there

>>34309766
It does real maneuvers instead of shit only useful at an airshow, so it's lame?