Who would win a WW2 Wehrmacht or a modern day North Korea? Say

Germany would blitz those zippers in 36 hrs

>>34282185
the norks have the numbers and modernish jets and tanks. Norks would roll them hard

Probably Germans since they have enough fuel to have multiple aircraft airborne at one time, but a NK victory wouldn't be out of the question since while all their equipment is rusty and 1960s era, that's still 20 years of development they have on ze Germans.

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Comparing a fully mobilized Wermacht to the current NK military, the numbers are quite even but the technology difference is too great. Even the strongest German WWII AFV can't stand up to a North Korean T-62 or ATGM.

As much as I've been accused of being a wehraboo I've got to give this to the Norks.

>>34282185
germans no question, the nork armor and artillery would be a big challenge though

>>34282185
Norks. You'd have to be a mentally retarded wehraboo to think otherwise, and my grandparents were associated with Nazis.

If the Nazis are attacking North Korea, the Norks win.

If the Norks are attacking Germany, the Nazis win.

>>34282185
The technology advantage the Norks have is too great, even considering late-war ('45) era tech with early-war capability.

> Reactive armor
> Guided weapons
> Jet fighters
> Nuclear bombs
> Assault rifles
> Microcomputers

>>34282422
"Nuclear" bombs
FTFY

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>>34282255
>pak 40 cant penetrate a t-62 (which gets destroyed by RPGs)

only question is does germany have all of its late war technology at the start? if so, they genocide the norks if they can bring down nork jets. nork production is dogshit.

>>34282559
Sure, they have all the technology they had throughout their existence and peak resources

germans had around 6 million KIA during ww2. north korea doesnt even have that many able bodied men. there army is like a million starved peasants with cold war equipment they dont know how to use.

The Germans would probably win based on manpower if they can endure like 2 months of nork attacks
The Germans would probably discover a lot of tech very fast and implement it within years

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>>34282222
quads confirm

N.K has better nukes than the USA had in '45. , and all they need to win is to drop one on any major city.

>>34282663
Wouldn't have much of an effect. Its not like the destruction of Dresden ended the war.

>>34282185
This would be tough. If both are at their peak(tech, weapons, manpower), it could go either way. Assuming the Norks don't have nuclear capabilities, I'd give it to the Germans. Norks military is just somewhat laughable. Old tech with soldiers who look like they haven't eaten in months. Compared to any other modern military the rank very very low.

Norks advantage would be their airforce. The have jets and helicopters where as the Germans would probably just start implementing jets to catch up after getting their planes shit on.

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If the krauts can't reverse-engineer any of the Nork's shit and the N.Korean military doesn't instantly revolt, they'd probably win against the Germans.

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Shaped charges would decimate any 1940s era armor. And NK has them and more powerful ones to spare in their mountainous, jungle, and urban areas.

This is not Poland.

>>34283028
>implying the germans didnt even the rpg

the first nork rpg captured is getting reverse engineered and 50k are manufactured in the first month. germany already had shaped charges.

>>34283001
How is he loading a clip in if the bolt is still forward?

NK is going to decimate all German logistics with ballistic missiles and fast precise airstrike.and then encircle and destroy all major army groups. Norks may have outdated technology by today standart, but they are miles ahead of WW2 tech.

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>>34283121
Lunar magic

>>34282518
even a crappy north korean bomb is more than sufficient to wipe a german city or industrial complex of the map

>>34282185
>Uses only a second class Iron Cross as picture
Heh fucking plebs do you not even own a first class?

Though North Korean offensive strategy took heavy Maoist People's War influence after the 60s, it still revolves around Soviet-style combined arms mechanized offensives and Germany's terrain is quite a bit more conducive to that than South Korea's. Even if their technology is a joke today it still has 2 decades on the Nazis, it'll be anudda 1945.

>10 million peak strength
vs
>1 million + 6 million reserve

Considering that NK can barely supply or feed even their 1 million active soldiers, Wehrmacht victory within 6 months.
You just can't win with those odds, especially since the Wehrmacht is highly competent while NK competency is dubious at best.

>>34282185
Nigga pls.

Norks all the way.

>>34282185

Germany. Superior leadership and morale.

Considering a 1940s Germany lost to a 1940s USSR, what makes anyone think a 1940s Germany could win against something similar to a1960s USSR?

>>34284460
USSR had 20 million bodies and american lend lease keeping them alive

If we are talking 1939 tech, they are sorta fucked. If the Germans have 1945 tech to start with and properly equipped across their army I think they actually have a decent shot.

>>34284460

They lost to a country with vastly superior resources that had an ally flattening the Germans from the sky (because the USSR couldn't) blockading them (because the USSR couldn't) and opening 2 extra fronts.

The Norks would fall to the initial blitzkrieg and be gone.

Does Germany got everything from ww2 like their jets n shit, tigers. Is it numbers from ww2 or are all German tanks tigers ....

Germany just needs to hold out for a few months for the Norks to starve and revolt.

Jeudjd

Too much focus on tech ITT. The Germans would have a huge advantage in morale, training and the quality of their officer corps. Western armies tend to plow through non western armies even without technological advantage. I predict a replay of the early US-Japan engagements, where a technologically and numerically inferior western power had great victories against an Asian power.

>>34285133
And the superior German manufacturing alone could outweigh the tech advantage of the norks after a few months

A fight between two nations incapable of supplying their own resources would be fun. Who starves or runs out of metal first?

>>34285174

Norks

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10,000 stugs roll into north korea and destroy everything

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>Kriegsmarine can't get to Korea and loses to midgets subs and antiquated AShMs
>North Korean Glorious People's Navy of the People doesn't have the range to leave the Pacific
Nobody wins because they can't touch each other

Alternatively
>North Korea appears where the Soviet Union was in 1941
>10 Million Germans v 1 Million Norks (plus reserves)
ez pz reichy squeezee

>>34282255
Don't forget SAM launchers, and every man with an AK. The Norks will likely pump out tanks as fast as they can in a war, and the Germans will obsess over their well machined tanks like they inevitably will.

>>34282559
>>34282255
>what is ME-262
>what is kraut space magic
cmon guys, they started the game, surely they know how to play it

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>>34288295
>Norks
>having useful production of armored vehicles

Lmao nice try Kimmy boy

>>34285133
>>34285149

Dubs of truth

>>34288256

>I didn't read the post HURF DURF!

>>34283156
They have no plane or missle capable of delivering a bomb yet.

>>34288329
I'll believe this propaganda if the Americans used are niggers

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>>34282222
Nice digits, rip NK

>modern day north korea vs the the entire WW2 wehrmacht
hmm
>norks have about 1,000 scud derivatives 20 or so armed with 10-30 Kt nukes
>Krauts posess 5,200 V-2s and 30,000 V-1s
>norks hold ~550 cold war monkey model migs and sukhois
>krauts have ~90,000 bombers and fighters, including 1,400 262s, 370 163s, and ~200 234s
>70 nork submarines and three surface ships
>7 battleships, 12 cruisers, 30 destroyers, a few hundred smaller vessels, and 1,400 u-boats
>the 16 million strong Wehrmacht with 20,000 panzers, jagd-cats, and stugs
>a million norks with 5,500, primarily Cold War, tanks
>god knows how many afvs, trucks, horses, and artillery pieces on both sides
>the norks and the krauts proceed to reenact the Second War for Armageddon
Funnily enough, the population of North korea compared to WW2 germany is the about the same ratio as WW2 Germany compared to WW2 russia. That said, the krauts could probably deplete the entire munitions and supply stockpile of north korea's armed forces and still have bodies and material to throw around.

this is one of the better what ifs material
bump

>>34282185
North Korea has supersonic MiGs and guided missiles. If the Norks hit C&C targets before the Germans figure out sneaky breeki they win.

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>>34282185
>>34288917

>>34288917
make that 50,000 afvs for germany

>>34282744
You can't call Norks low tech when pitting them against the 1940's Wehrmacht

>>34282185
JUST the Wehrmacht? No Luftwaffe Or Kriegsmarine? The norks win this easy gg no re.

>>34289298
you are some kind of industrial strength retarded, aye?

>>34288917
I need this in my timeline

do they have late war tech, things like the X-4 and Fritz X's. They could be developed quickly into some serious competition for ATGMs

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>>34288917

>>34288917

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWXs1nTOMlY

I'm surprised nobody has brought up the mountainous terrain of Korea. I feel as if Blitzkrieg tactics may be slowed or completely thwarted by creating bottlenecks with artillery and easy bombing runs due to mountain passes.

Will this German Army have WWII already under their belt?

>>34290651

Fuck off, I'm imagining a situation where the entire nork country is teleported into the eastern front, krauts waltz right in thinking they're invading stalingrad or kiev and they end up getting BTFO by nork rpgs.

>>34290660

I mean certainly, you're definitely imagining a situation where anyone would go into >>34289732 mode at the idea of sheer destruction-- but I fear that the mountains would either be incredibly deleterious or advantageous to the German outcome if they had Cassino/Salerno/Italy and N. Africa under their belt before this nork vs. nazi showdown.

>>34282663
>N.K has better nukes than the USA had in '45.

How do you know that ?

As far as we know their bombs are barely stronger than fatman and we don't even know how big they are, they could have the size of a house and weigh 25 t.

They are decades away from the H bomb or a bomb light and small enough to carry them with a bomber.

>>34290670

>the mountains would either be incredibly deleterious or advantageous to the German

Well the krauts got BTFO trying to take the caucus mountains in ww2.

An interesting point would be whether each side knew each other well enough.
Fritz: "vhat ze fuch ist dat?", Looking at MiG 29.
Choi: "Aigoo! Sum Nazi before us? I see that in Dear Leader's honourable Library of wisdom and truth! Quick Lee - call Mr Rodman, he know such imperialist stuff sumida".

>>34290682


I don't know much about the Eastern front-- the idea of Russian anything (anything other than a writer) is sort of cancerous to me considering the level of slavboo faggotry I've came across. Also, most of the conflicts seem to just be, "lol shot at eachother for 10 minutes for seven weeks when the snow wasn't too bad otherwise we were just chucking artillery and watching German tanks go the wrong way."

>>34282185
Peak power WW2 Wehrmacht, or the one in tatters in 1945? I mean, NK can't sustain more than a week of operation before supply lines start crumbling and famine sets in.

>>34285149

>ww2 germany "invented night shifts" in 1943
>had no fließbänder ( dont know the english word )
>incompetent manufacturing tech ( milling and welding together lots of parts instead casting )

>superior german manufacturing

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>>34288917
this is why we need some bastardized Wargame mod

>>34282255
>Even the strongest German WWII AFV can't stand up to a North Korean T-62 or ATGM.
A PzGr 39/40 can penetrate about 215mm of effective armor at 500m. A T-62 has about 205 (102mm@ 60 degrees)mm of frontal armor (at it's strongest point, except the turret), and domestically produced NK examples are said to have thinner armor.

>But muh ERA!
T-62 variants in us in NK have mounting points for ERA. lord only knows if they actually have a set for each tank, their logistics are terrible.

>>34282185
population:germany
economy:germany
leadership:germany
numbers:germany
strategic resources: germany
equipment in operable condition:germany
defensible terrain:norks
technology:norks
nukes: norks
idk, the germans have almost 5 times the population, and actually have an economy, unlike the norks. but the norks have nukes and t-62s

>>34288295
>The Norks will likely pump out tanks as fast as they can in a w
Which is about as fast as they can pump out the food necessary to even wage war. That it to say, slow as molasses.

>>34282185
>Who wins, nukes or no nukes
Geez I wonder

>>34290744
Who knows if NK can actually send nukes though. They're getting small things right, but we don't know if they can even airlift one of those bombs, nevermind sending it with a rocket.

Besides, peak WW2 Germany isn't 1945 Japan.

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>>34290718
It took 35'000 man hours to build a T-34 from steel mill to factory floor to battlefield.

For a Tiger I, it took 300'000 hours.

The reason we know about this for the T-34 is because the Soviets were absolutely relentless in cutting costs for T-34 production, and tracked this kind of data very closely.

The reason we know about this for the the Tiger I is because the Germans bragged about it. Like they were *proud of it*.

They were building steel boxes to throw into the meat grinder and they were approaching it with the same mindset that Maserati put into making cars, obsessing over craftsmanship and fine detail.

They just didn't grok industrial modern war on a deep cultural level, they were so fucking ill suited to that, it's like the French Cuirassiers in 1914, wearing the same shiny steel breastplates their ancestors wore at Waterloo a century earlier charging fucking maxim guns, the sheer scale of their ignorance boggles the mind.

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>>34290752
The Koreans have cargo planes that can fly higher and faster than anything the Germans have.

The could literally waltz an IL-76 over Berlin, unopposed and kick one out the fucking rear ramp.

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Actually, one of the major things that needs to be considered is the fact that it's the WW2 Wehrmacht, not necessarily Nazi Germany. One of the major things that consistently shot Germany in the foot was bad leadership AND development. Assuming that the StG-44 comes into use early in the fight, and, say, if anyone else were in control of the strategic decisions, the Wehrmacht would be more than capable of not just having a more positive approach to combatting a wildly inept force, but a vastly less experienced one that the Germans could adapt to as well. All it would take would be a few captured pieces of kit or vehicles for the krauts to work their spacemagic upon, as they did with shit like the Bazooka. Even with nukes, the norks would have trouble getting them beyond fuggin' Mongolia.
Hopefully Heisenberg isn't the one working out the majority of the calculations for the German effort, though.

>>34290839
See
>>34290806

>>34290744
>korean war
>vietnam war
>invasion of iraq
Just to name a few

>>34290806
>The Koreans have cargo planes that can fly higher and faster than anything the Germans have.

https://www.luftlinie.org/Pyongyang/Berlin

Distance: 8.000 km

Range IL-76 6.500 km

Took 30 seconds of research to destroy your illusion.

>>34291327
Read the op you stupid shit.

>>34290806
First off, service ceiling of the IL 76, Ju 86 and Me262 are pretty darn similar. I doubt a cargo plane could sneak past. Then again, this only works is OP is talking about a single planet, with only WW2 Germany and NK. If not, then the entire world throws a hissyfit, NK gets bombed to shit by the Americans, everybody basks in nuclear sunshine.

And if not, then they drop a single ineffective nuke on Germany. Not 1945 Japan, but Germany, and if that is pre-1944 Germany, they can take that hit without even considering surrender.

>>34290839
>Assuming that the StG-44 comes into use early in the fight
Small arms never make a singificant difference, and you'd probably be looking at an StG-45/AkM hybrid in 8mm Kurz.

>>34291599
I wouldn't say they never make a difference. A military armed with Matchlocks is going to get its shit kicked in by an army with modern semi automatics. The introduction of machine guns made a difference. More advanced small arms made a difference in colonial wars, even when the other side was armed with guns.

That platitude only holds true when the advances are minor and the weapons largely equivalent.

That's the case here - the StG to the AK family is an incremental improvement. Hell, a lot of the weapons NK fields are copies of weapons contemporary to Nazi Germany anyway. But its not always true, despite how often its repeated on /k/

>>34282744
>Old tech with soldiers who look like they haven't eaten in months.
This is literally the exact same type of military that brought the Nazis down in the first place.

>>34288329
Oh god, I remember that thread.

>>34291869
There's a difference between 1 million starving soldiers with oudated gear, and 20 million of them. Hell, The USSR had something like 8-9 million military casualties in WW2. NK has about 1.2 million in active service, and 5 million in reserve. Run the numbers, and it starts looking pretty bad for them.

>>34282185
Artillery gives the norks an edge militarily, as well as more advanced tanks.

North Korea, does not, however, have a stable society which means that it cannot go into a war economy. If North Korea are not able to quickly roll over Germany, North Korea collapses.

>>34293144
NK has the capacity to field their army for what, a week tops?

>>34289197
Fuck Jodie Foster was such a cutie

>>34291869
The USSR had a population that could feed itself though. North Korea doesn't.

>>34293246
Not really. Without lend lease from the US they'd have lost.

>>34288304
The 262 regularly lost to mustangs

>>34293456
>thinking attacking landing planes equals dogfights

I say Germany wins provided the standard issue weapon is an STG44, FG42, or a G43.

>>34293456
Strafing aircraft running on fumes as they land isn't that challenging. Only times a 262 would get legitimately shot down is if the teenager flying it tries to out-turn a mustang or a p-47 dives on it from orbit.

>>34288917
Who would have guessed that the solution to the korean question is a time portal to 1944´s Nazi Germany.

>>34293456
Because they still used regular aircraft tactics.