Why do people hate the .40 so much? >It's a high pressure

>>34279601
It isn't 10mm Auto because small hands and women.

>>34279614
You could say that about any cartridge.
>38 isn't 357 maximum
>45 Colt isn't 454 Casull
>454 Casull isn't 460 S&W
>45 ACP isn't 460 Roland
Et cetera.

>>34279601
People are range queens and don't actually use their tools for their intended purposes.

.40 is preferable for defending against wildlife according to park rangers and the like. Niche, but different tools for different jobs.

>>34279601
They just had a tendency to jam more. Police department back home switched from .40 back to 9mm because they were just more reliable. Getting down to the specifics yeah theyll leave a fucking ever so slightly larger hole in a person, but lets be real. A hole is a hole and were never actually going to shoot somebody.

>>34279693
>preferable for defending against wildlife
Preferable to what?

Also, human physiology is no different from that of any other mammal, so a gun that works for killing wild animals will work for killing men and vice versa.

>>34279699
Why would the cartridge make it jam? Sounds to me like the cops either had shitty guns or operator error.

>>34279699
>theyll leave a fucking ever so slightly larger hole
The 40 has 27% more impact area. I wouldn't call that "ever so slightly larger."

>>34279699
>A hole is a hole
All double entendres aside, this is not true. A bigger hole bleeds faster. The faster they bleed, the faster they die.

>>34279652
I thought those were revolver rounds.

>460 Roland
Thx for the info, now I have a new round to want.

>>34279601
Because it's a round that does nothing better than 9mm but plenty of things worse.

>>34279821
>I thought those were revolver rounds.
What difference does that make? For every given caliber, there are going to be rounds that fire the same bullet at different speeds. Find one that gives you enough velocity to get the job done without so much that recoil is unbearable.

>>34279835
It has more stopping power than 9mm.

>>34279601
>the 40 has a slight edge over the 45 in speed.

Thank god, people kept dodging my .45's

>>34279881
Speed has other advantages. It helps hollow points expand and penetrate wider and deeper. Why do you think 357 is preferred to 38 Special.
>>34279912
But why did they switch? Probably for reasons other than feeding. If a 45 will feed, and a 9mm will feed, then there's no reason to believe a 40 wouldn't feed too.

>>34279770
>cops either had shitty guns or operator error
even FBI chose 9mm over .40 SW
deal with it fag

>>34279601
I thought about getting into .40, but I think I'll just get into 10mm because it seems more fun desu

>>34279937
Due to non field agents crying about the recoil

>>34279928
more ammo capacity, less recoil and etc
.40 SW is unpopular nowaday

>>34279770
>Why would the cartridge make it jam?
Because to this day no one has ever to my knowledge designed a .40 pistol, they've designed 9mm guns and then jammed a 40 barrel, extractor and a heavier recoil spring in them.

* Pressure and energy higher therefore causes more wear. Most .40s are 9mms with a .40 barrel shoehorned in.

*Very snappy recoil compared to both 9mm and 45acp

*9mm is better for capacity, recoil, cost, while .45 is better is better for suppression or fmj only.

really it's the "it wears out our service weapons faster, has less hits on qualifications, and parts breakage is higher".

9mm is the universal pistol cartridge, and it works. .45 ACP is an American cartridge with roughly the same timeline.

.40 is a compromise of 9mm & 45ACP AND a compromise of 10mmAuto. 10mm is immune to this because it can be loaded to OG for handgun hunting.

tldr .40 is a meme that needs to die.

>>34279770
>The faster they bleed, the faster they die.

Man, I do not want to rely on plummeting blood pressure to incapacitate some asshole 10 feet away. I've seen white tail with a quarter sized hole on their far side with bits of lung tissue dangling out go for a good 50 yards.

Deer are delicious but that's not what pistols are about.

>>34279962
>more ammo capacity
People need to stop obsessing about capacity. There's nothing wrong with having it, but it doesn't make a difference unless you're a terrible shot.

>>34279821
You only want the 460 because you haven't seen the .40 super.

>>34280002
>it doesn't make a difference unless you're a terrible shot.
If that was true, we'd still be using revolvers

>>34280002
okay go hunt a skinwalker with 6 shots and post results

>>34280002

>People need to stop obsessing about capacity. There's nothing wrong with having it, but it doesn't make a difference unless you're a terrible shot.

>this nigga is retarded. May as well keep using Martini-Enfields or Trapdoor Springfields.

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>>34279601
All the drawbacks of both the 9mm and 10mm cartridges, with none of the benefits.
Both 9x19 and 10mm auto do everything better.
Stop being a pussy and buy a 10mm pistol

>>34280022
>>34280028
>>34280037
The difference in capacity between a .40 and 9mm is 2 shots. 13+1 rounds vs. 15+1, in a magazine-fed gun. In what kinds of common scenarios do you expect this to make a difference in real terms?

>>34280089
Care to elaborate?

>>34279874
>What difference does that make?

Well I can't really hold a .500 S&W in a handgun.

>>34279985
Sounds like a problem with the gun, not the ammo.

>>34279989
>* Pressure and energy higher therefore causes more wear. Most .40s are 9mms with a .40 barrel shoehorned in.
Did you not read the OP? The pressure is not higher, and that's a fact.

>>34279989
>*Very snappy recoil compared to both 9mm and 45acp
Who cares? Unless the recoil is painful for you, then it doesn't matter.

>>34279989
>*9mm is better for capacity, recoil, cost, while .45 is better is better for suppression or fmj only.
The extra capacity is not necessary. How many people do you expect to shoot with a handgun? Probably 3 at the most.

>>34279989
>it wears out our service weapons faster
Not applicable to a personal weapon. Very few people will ever shoot enough to wear a gun out.

>>34279989
>has less hits on qualifications
It's just as inherently accurate as any other cartridge. If you can't hit with it, either the gun sucks or you suck.

>>34279989
>parts breakage is higher
I doubt it. Nobody ever seems to complain about 10mm breaking guns. If 10mm won't break it, a 40 won't either.

>>34279989
>9mm is the universal pistol cartridge, and it works. .45 ACP is an American cartridge with roughly the same timeline.
40 has become just as available as 9 or 45. I see it in stores everywhere I go.

>>34279989
>.40 is a compromise of 9mm & 45ACP
No it isn't. 45 is so low pressure that 40 packs just as much punch. Think of 40 not as a compromise but as a king sized 9mm.

>>34279989
>compromise of 10mmAuto
Yeah, because 10mm is a fucking cannon. Most people bitch about the recoil of the 10mm, so the manufacturers put in heavier recoil springs, which makes it hard to rack the slide.

>>34279996
>Man, I do not want to rely on plummeting blood pressure to incapacitate some asshole 10 feet away
Reality doesn't care about what you want. Unless you shoot someone in the brainstem, they are not going to die until they bleed out or suffocate. It's just a fact of physiology. Accept it.

>>34280096
>>34280096
I'm onto you, skinwalker. You're just trying to get us to carry fewer rounds and depend on STAWPIN POWUH

You know we can only carry so many magazines, and those rounds add up. My main is 17+1. Think about how fast that adds up if I sacrifice rounds monster man. That's like one or two whole magazines worth! You think you're fooling me. You're fooling no one!

>>34280022
Many of us are. Cops don't, but let's be honest: cops are terrible shots.

>>34280028
I once killed one with one shot.

>>34280037
Bad analogy. There's a major advantage to having 5 to 10 shots instead of 1, but once you get more than 10, you reach a point of diminishing marginal returns.

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>>34280111
>are you making a compromise on pistol size for carrying to avoid printing?
9x19
>do you want a full sized handgun?
10mm

.40 short and weak is basically the same dimensions as the 10mm auto but only being slightly more powerful than 9mm, it's a compromise afterthought of a cartridge. It was developed for women and limp wristed faggots in the FBI and you by proxy are basically a homosexual for shooting it.

>>34279601
>>34280089
>45. ACP : murican round
>>1911
>>BIG
>>mostly subsonic so has no problem with using silencer

>9mm : global round
>>loved by police, law enforcement and military world wide
>>reliable world wide
>>even FMJ has good stopping power not to mention JHP, RIP etc
>>capacity, recoil blah blah blah

>.40 SW : who buy this shits
>>claimed unreliability and jamming problems
>>police and fed abandoned it
>>literally worse than 9mm JHP in every aspects

>>34280158
were you using a .500 S&W?

one of those to the head will probably take one down, but you'd probably have to catch it off guard or get really lucky

>>34280175
I don't own a 40. I just don't see why people have an irrational hatred of a perfectly serviceable cartridge.

>>34280180
Nope. 22 LR to the back of the head. Sneaked up and got the drop on him.

>>34280176
>mostly subsonic so has no problem with using silencer
So it 40.
>muh police
You realize police use what they're issued. They don't get to choose. If the 9mm had good stopping power, the police wouldn't need to shoot people half a dozen times.

>>34280203
How did it not hear you?
I've never even seen one respond to .22 either, but I guess back of the head makes a difference

what the fuck, was it sleeping or something? Do they even sleep?

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>>34280218
>>34280218
Be vewy, vewy quiet. I'm hunting skinwawkers.

>>34279601
It's not even worth arguing with these noguns fags. They just parrot "facts" that were jokes to start.

>>34280331
Some of them don't know better. You can't blame them for their ignorance. Hopefully, some of them will go on to do their own serious research and discover the truth.

>>34279652
No, that was literally the reason the FBI had the cartridge altered.

>>34280385
So use 10mm then, if the extra recoil doesn't bother you. The bullet is the same, so you're only arguing about 1000 fps vs. 1200 fps.

>>34280381
Hopefully.

>>34280419
If one person goes on to learn something new about guns, then I will feel happy that I have done my part to help the gun owning community.

>tfw considering .40 because state capacity limit and factory magazine options of the gun I like in other calibers are either above the limit or super cucked
>tfw /k/ thinks I suck dicks because some board culture parroted meme

>>34280495
What gun are you considering?

>>34280495
Ruger SR series in general, was considering the 9mm version, however Colorado has this weird capacity limit of 15rds, 15+1 works too.
9mm comes in 10+1 or 17+1, which exceeds the limit
.40 comes in 10+1 or 15+1
.45 comes in 10+1
I am still not sure if I want to change the caliber for few more rounds in a mag while still meeting requirements.

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>>34280495
Get a .41 AE instead

>>34280581
Are you willing to consider 10mm auto? The recoil might not be so bad in a full size, all steel 1911, and Ruger just came out with one. You can get it for a good price on Buds.

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>>34279693
"Urban" Wildlife?

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It was made for female operatives who couldn't handle the recoil of a 10mm, so if you're a man-gina then sure it's great for your fragile wrists. It's just a ever so slightly more ballisticly capable 9mm, it's like the difference between the armor profile of an m60a1 tank and an m60a3

It isn't 10mm auto

>>34279699
That's bullshit.

>>34279699
>it's a police department doesn't know what they're doing episode

Imagine a sweating man standing above two buttons. One reads ".40 is shit because it's a neutered 10mm that was made for weaklings and women", and the other reads ".40 is shit because it's too snappy"

When I started shooting centerfire handguns, I started on .40. None of the "big five" (big three plus 10mm and .357 SIG) seem snappy in the right gun. USPs, Gen4 Glocks, M&Ps, and so on all handle .40 well. It does have more recoil, but a 'snap' is a result of how you operate the handgun. If you hold and fire the gun correctly, you should never feel any 'snap'. People that think .40 is snappy probably got too used to shooting lighter recoiling rounds where recoil control technique is less important and when they try the .40, they find it snappy. It's more about training with what you shoot than anything. A grown adult with any sort of competence and proper training should be able to handle any major centerfire handgun round so long as the handgun correctly fits their hand.

>>34279985
>he doesn't know the USP was specifically designed for .40

>>34280176
RIP round? You really are a Nogunz faggot.

>>34279989
Kind of impressive how you were able to jam every .40 meme into one post.

>>34282041
>it was made for women
>the recoil is too snappy

>>34280203
I can't speak for all departments, but police do get to choose from a list of various firearms and calibers defined by their firearms instructor.

>>34280002
>doesn't make a difference
Empty 10 rounds of .40 cal into someone's chest
Empty 14 rounds of 9mm into his twin brother's chest
The 9mm is going to cause more damage and has a greater chance of hitting an important organ, the #1 factor in stopping a threat with a pistol.

>>34280416
>20% more energy isn't a big deal

>>34286317
>*44%

true advantages of .40s&w:
-always in stock, panic buying in full swing or not
-used by most major police forces and niggers, so should SHTF should be easy to find it

>>34286387
44?

>>34286797
Energy increases to the square of the velocity increase.

Bullet goes twice as fast, produces 4 times the energy. 4 times as fast, 16 times the energy.

I like .40, I dislike people that obsess over pistol calibers that they don't even use. The .40 loads that mimic 9mm pressures are the 180grain slugs. There are other tiny advantages that are pointless to try and list against the incoming tide of retarded screeching.

>>34280581
The SR40 is great. The recoil is on par with most 9s of the same weight.

>>34279770
>a gun that works for killing wild animals will work for killing men and vice versa.

Yep. That's why my .380 goes with me everywhere from the gas station to grizzly territory. One and the same.