What is the best 9mm pistol in the world and why is it the Beretta

>>34277382
you're right anon I really enjoy the flawless design of a slide mounted safety, what could go wrong?

I'm a Beretta fag and wouldn't call it best.
The default sights are terrible and non adjustable except for rough windage

The frame isnt steel and has a habit of premature wear on rails

Seems to have a particularly hard recoil. Not from power, just high axis causing excessive muzzle flip

>>34277432
>Slide mounted safety
>Doesn't know how to use the pistol properly
>Probably has manlet hands
Damn it feels good to have man hands instead of little bitch thumbs

>>34277382
Because its the CZ75 and not some mudblood wop mook metal turd from maryland.

>>34277464
>Steel, 3 dot sights from factory are considered "bad" now
>Ben Stoeger has over 100k through a Beretta but apparently the frames wear out prematurely
>Hard recoil for a gun that weighs 33oz unloaded
I think you should go take care of your wife's son now

>>34277476
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eDk5BP_I15M
>Heavy all steel frame
>machining marks
>giant feed ramp to fuck the gun through FTFs
>painted finish
kys

>>34277505
Links to a video of a man that buys his shirts in the toddler section
KYS

>>34277505
Stop being poor.

>>34277505
Prove that the cz-75 is an unreliable design with non anecdotal sources please.

>inb4 muh TRS or "buh-buh-buh this one instructor said he thought that-"

>>34277538
>Dissing on James Reeves
Put a bullet in your ASIS

>>34277545
>Poor
>Mechanical Engineer who makes six figures
Kys

>>34277552
>mechanical engineer

Post paystub with timestamp or shut the fuck up tryhard.

>>34277550
>Never said that it was unreliable but instead implied that it is more prone to FTFs than an m9, which is true due to design
>The military fired over 168,000 rounds through 12 M9s with zero malfunctions, the cz75 has never and will never do this

>>34277564
>Some asshole on an anonymous Slovakian 2 stroke engine appreciation forum wants me to post my pay
No

>>34277577
Ok poorfag enjoy your shitty milsurp keyholer loaded with tulammo in a backwoods landfill while your uncle jerks off to your man tits.

>>34277567
>cz75 has never and will never do this

Sauce

>>34277567
>giant feed ramp to fuck the gun through FTFs
>translation: giant ramp that causes or exacerbates failures
>posts video where man-child directly calls the CZ-75 unreliable(due to ejection port) and never says anything about the feed ramp

Wow man you're totally right why would i ever think you were saying that the cz-75 wasn't reliable or had some sort of observable or quantifiable characteristic that would cause or exacerbate failures.

>>34277597
>Jealous anon making assumptions about me with no factual basis
>Milsurp
>Anon is so stupid he doesn't realize that you can buy new m9s

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Glorious czechnology

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>>34277552
>>Dissing on James Reeves
He's never gonna make love to you
What are you, his valiant defender???

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>>34277382
Because Italia rules
and also because first 3 Resident Evil games

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>>34277538
>buys his shirts in the toddler section

>>34277613
>Implying that a larger feed ramp compared to a smaller one doesn't make it more prone to FTFs
It does, and the m9 doesn't have that problem because it feeds the rounds almost directly into the chamber with only a very small feedramp.
>Implying that my comment about he feedramp was directly related to the video, when it was not

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>>34277382
Cant even fucking make a good hammer fired gun without the safety on the slide fucking idiot wops let the god damn hues beat them too it wtf

>>34277614
>no factual basis
Prove it, cocksleeve. Put up or shut up.

You couldn't give me a new m9. Its sad when a designer has to design a slide with no top to prevent jams resulting in broken slides. Buy a real gun poorfag.

>>34277505

>Unironically posting TFBTV's retarded clickbait videos

Really man?

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>>34277382

because sandwiches

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>>34277639
Kek'd hard

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>>34277677
>>34277639

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>>34277626
>Glorious almost 3 pound gun with a tiny ejection port and a large steep feedramp

>>34277638
Samurai Edge is the best gun of all time

>>34277649
>yaddda yadda feed ramp geometry of cz-75 bad
P R O V E I T

just because some factor of a guns design should theoretically make it more reliable in one specific way doesnt prove that:

A. it actually does

B. The gains are meaningful when compared to competing designs

C. These gains aren't off set by deficiencies in other areas

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>>34277696
What, cant hold a heavier gun? Are you a pussy or something? Also:
>tfw your design is so flawless you dont need to compensate with gaping holes.

>>34277653
>Broken slides
>Literally a few anecdotal cases where the gun was used in a role it wasn't designed for
>The military tested m9 slides to over 70k rounds
>Dumbass wants to know who I am so he can presumably jerk off to me
No

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Thats not how you pronounce PL-14

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>>34277710
>you

>>34277705
Military testing showed the m9 and Sig p226 to be the most reliable. The m9 in tested fired tens of thousands of rounds without malfunction. The cz75 is a very overrated piece of slavshit but people on /k still defend it

>>34277709
>3 pound gun
>Tries to justify it with strength
>cz75 has literally zero objective advantage over the m9 except in subjective cases where people prefer a frame mounted safety

>>34277714
Okay this is actually a nice gun and I would buy one to go along with mein Berettas

>>34277729
>I make him feel like a dumbass by presenting good points and he dismisses me by calling me a troll
Funny

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>>34277710
>Broken slides
wasn't this problem solved in the 90s?

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>>34277731
>zero advantage
1. Full slide rail
2. Low profile slide / bore axis
3. Browning lock cam system as opposed to
>blowback
4. 18 rounds versus 15 standard.
5. Better trigger
6. Sought after by competition shooters for superior accuracy
7. Not preschool brick sized grip
8. Not italian
9. Adjustable sights

I can go on if youre not feeling stupid enough.

>>34277742
You didn't make me feel dumb I'm not the moron that bought an M9.

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>>34277755
Yes and it was never a problem to begin with. The Navy was using the pistols in a manner that it wasn't designed to be used in. Beretta nevertheless fixed the problem with an obersozed trigger pin and a corresponding groove machined in the slide.

>>34277762
Full slide rail is most definitely not an advantage, and offers nothing over the Beretta. Bore axis argument is null considering the difference is negligible to almost nothing and the three things that are more important for recoil are: slide mass, COM of the slide, and slide velocity. Locking block is better for suppression and produces a smoother action, so it cannot be said that the Browning system is inherently better. Beretta makes 17 round mags. Not a better trigger. No grip? For you. Adjustable sights are not stock on a cz75.
Kys. Would you like me to continue or do you feel stupid enough?

>>34277775
>Calling me a moron while offering no factual reason as to why that would be
>Ad hominem
Dumbass

>>34277731
Military testing? what military testing? what other guns were tested? You know, just stating opinions as facts doesn't make them into facts.

>cz-75 has zero objective advantages over the m9

superior action

better aftermarket

better magazines

more sealed design helps keep out dirt

better sights that can actually be replaced

75 series is one of the most popular handgun designs in the world

Safety is objectively harder to accidentally engage during slide manipulation and the design is objectively more common on firearms(cross compatible training)

>>34277858
See
>>34277762

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I just got my first 9mm pistol. It is a Springfield XD Mod 2 4" Service Model. I want to get an opinion on it. I know it has a grip safety up top, and while that may not be necessary it's really not a hassle to use. I'm not claiming it's the best 9mm btw, I just want to receive some opinions on it. So, how did I do?

>>34277858
You're a moron because you fell for the m9 meme.

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>>34277923
You did fine
I was all set to get the XD in 9, 40 and 45 at the next gun show, then Ruger had to drop the SR1911 10mm
FUCK FUCK FUCK
Gotta get that Ruger first!!!!!

>>34277908
>Too lazy to research military testing
Superior action? No
Better Aftermarket? No
Better magazines? They are about the same and are both made of steel
More sealed design? Yes, but the open slide design does have advantages
Sights on the 92a1 and many other models can be replaced
If you are engaging the safety while manipulating he slide you are a dumbass. I don't think people who say this have ever trained with an m9 and this is easy to prevent.

>>34277923
>>34277944
The XD series is a good pistol and way better than the cz75. The cz75 is quite badly engineered in some aspects and yet people defend it because it is slavshit.

>>34277505
>u dun need a hammer
I don't need a gun either you fucking retard, I want a hammer.

>>34277912
>Doesn't read my reply which debunks the "advantages" that the cz75 supposedly has over the 92 series
Dumbass

>>34277963
He said you are retarded if you need a hammer and don't choose a Sig over the slavshit-75

>>34277968
>implying it debunks shit
Prove it

>>34277983
I chose an HK over both

>>34277944
Thanks. And I can't blame you, the stainless steel finish looks nice as hell. One day I want to get a 1911 in its original .45 chambering. It's a pistol that every American gun lover should have really. I just hope my wrists will be able to handle it. The most I've shot is .357, and even that took some getting used to at first.
>>34277959
Cool, that is good to hear. I've considered the CZ75 too though. What makes you think it is poorly engineered?

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>>34277993
Full slide rails offer zero advantage over partial and if you think they do you are mentally challenged. Bore axis between the cz75 and the Beretta is almost exactly the same and any difference is negligible. Did you not read my reply thundercunt?
See>>>>34277839

>>34278020
If you think having a full slide rail doesn't offer any advantages then you're obviously an idiot who knows nothing about firearms

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Beretta thread? Oh boy, I can't wait to discuss-

Never mind.

>>34277998
It has a tiny ejection port and a very steep feed ramp. The internal frame rails offer no advantage over the alternative, not even a lower bore axis. The gun is has a painted finish and is highly overrated.

>>34277948
>no
yes, inb4 worn out locking blocks and needing a redesign to prevent people from getting hit in the face with slides is a design advantage

>no
Objectively yes, the 92 serious completely lacks the degree of aftermarket and custom support that 75s enjoys. You can literally take a stock 75 and replace its parts with match bushings, trigger, and sear parts ending up with a gun that's comparable in performance to custom or semi custom firearms. OTOH 92s have aftermarket springs you can buy.

>mags are same
Only one design is notorious for having magazine induced malfunctions and it isnt the 75, GI mags from before the 00s are a great example

>open slide gud
It theoretically makes certain FTE malfunctions less likely at the low low cost of providing what is literally the largest ingress point for debris that i have ever seen on a handgun

>other models can into sights!
Oh goody, if i want a front sight that's replaceable all i have to do is pay 20% more for a feature that everyone else considers standard

>nobody who uses an m9 thinks slide mounted safeties are bad
Weird, considering it's literally the designs most common criticism and i've heard it numerous times from people who actually do/have used their 92s

>>34278045
>Calls me an idiot
>Doesn't provide any reason as to why full slide rails offers an advantage to partial
Full slide rails is a meme and you fell for it, just accept it and move on chief

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>>34277505
holy fuck he's an insufferable douche
>i'm not going to call the glock overrated because it's soooooooo popular
you can't make this shit up

>>34278058
If true, that really does sound disappointing.

>>34278067
Full slide rails offer an advantage to partial because full slide rails make better accuracy then partial slide rails by keeping the barrel and the assembly moving in much better geometry

>>34278061
Just about every argument you presented is bullshit. Do research before you blab you slavshit mouth off. New locking block designs last 20k-30k rounds and are a fairly cheap part to replace. The locking block design offer very good feeding reliability, easy suppression, and a smooth functioning action. The mag failures were due to a military specification for phosphate coated magazines that were made form a third party, and Beretta factory mags were known to function reliably. The Beretta was the most reliable pistol in military testing along with the p226, and this includes the "muh foreign debris" tests as well. A replaceable front sight could be a fair criticism, but since you are a dumbass your overall level of bullshit has detracted from it.

>>34278095
The brain hurt, does it make you dizzy?
The 1/3000th of a second it takes for the bullet to leave the barrel happens BEFORE your slide starts moving.

>>34278095
That has got to be the most fucking bullshit, pulled-right-out-of-the-ass statement I have ever heard in my entire life. Please stop. There is no evidence for full rails offering any accuracy advantage over partial.

>>34278091
im this other faggot(>>34278061), and frankly imho both guns are fine.

Both have a good reputation for reliability and practical accuracy so either one will serve admirably for HD/range use, neither one is likely to disappoint.

I feel that the 75s do have some advantages(ergos, aftermarket, various designs for every niche) but nothing that outweighs which one feels better to you in the hand or feels like it shoots better which are both highly subjective things.

Go to a store or range with both and try them out if you want to make the right choice instead of what some internet stranger thinks is better for you.

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>>34278095
>>34278133

>>34278138
Right on. It is perfectly okay to just say that you like a gun subjectively better over another. People have different preferences and at the end of the day just pick the one you like the most.

>>34277382
You must watch too many 80s movies if you think the 92 is the shit.

>>34278117
Frankly your insults might almost hurt my feelings if you werent so stupid that you have consistently failed to harp on any of the numerous and objectively confirmed drawbacks the cz-75 design suffers from.

>including muh debris test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLlJRpBIHUA&list=PLmmUI-v7SXNvUI1Bf4PfP5NJDn-dz_NnI&index=12

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn4Q3X1Jo6A&list=PLmmUI-v7SXNvUI1Bf4PfP5NJDn-dz_NnI&index=15

M9 fags eternally btfo

>>34278170
You got me

>>34278133
The slide starts to move the instant the round is fired you imbecile. It makes an enormous difference in accuracy which is why competition Shooters prefer the cz75

>>34278199
>slide starts moving instantly
Im a cz fag and even i know that's just stupid

>>34278180
If you think that MACs tests have any significant real-world carry over you are fucking stupid. Do you have any idea what a sample size is bud? A sample size of one is not a scientific or statistically significant test. It is easy to cherry pick data to push for your viewpoint, ever heard of confirmation bias? I guess not, because you are a dumbass.
>Muh MAC reliability test
Kys

>>34278199
Competition shooters prefer the cz75 because of how fucking heavy it is. The heavier weight helps keep muzzle rise down, it has nothing to do with an accuracy advantage. So let's suppose it does offer greater accuracy (it doesn't), then why the hell would the negligible difference mean anything for a pistol that is already more accurate than the shooter?

>>34278135
>no evidence of full slide rails offering better accuracy
This is why cz is so popular among competition shooters, right?

>>34277382
I definitely think the Beretta 92 is the sexiest looking 9mm in the world but it's far from the best.

Long trigger pull is loooooong

>>34278246
Dumbass
See>>>>34278241

>>34278199
I'm not arguing that point. The slide will move a minuscule amount. Every gun is different, but typically expect LESS than 0.1mm slide movement by the time the bullet has left. The length of the slide rails is virtually meaningless.

You are the no engineering imbecile.

>>34278241
>because of how heavy it is

Sure, that explains why other popular choices are m&p and glock longslide! Makes perfect sense.

>if youre retarded

>>34278294
This is literally not even an argument. I have no idea what point you are trying to make. Stop being autistic and gtfo.

>>34278315
The point is the cz 75 is more accurate because of its overall design and not its weight

>>34277382
>perfect

Yea... if its a "g" model its damn near perfect for me

>>34278336
I never said the cz75 is more accurate because of its weight. There is still no evidence of the cz75 being more accurate than any other wondernines based off of full slide rails. And if other competition shooters use the Glock 34 and M&Ps then wouldn't that debunk your whole argument of "muh accuracy" because obviously the Glock 34 and M&Ps are just as accurate as the cz to be used in competition. It would also further prove my point of any accuracy difference being completely negligible, if it even existed. You thought you were being smart and you actually further proved my point. You are bad at debating.

>>34278375
No, you are bad at debating because you don't know your subject matter. Full slide rails improve accuracy and fit.

https://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=666401

>>34277464
boy. I'm sure glad you're on our side.
just to think if you weren't.

>>34278433
>Calls me bad at debating, and then not only quotes a forum thread but a forum thread for 1911s, which have a barrel bushing and can have hand fit slide rails
I honestly fell like I am debating a 12 year old noguns who thinks slavshit is mystical. If you are trying to justify full slide rails as an advantage for the cz75 then don't link me a fucking 1911 forum thread you dumbass.

>>34278477
I linked you to that as an example of how full slide rails are an advantage for any handgun. Not just cz75. Why are you so blind to the truth?

>>34278498
Dude... just stop. You cannot say full slide rails offer an accuracy advantage because of the 1911 which has other variables for increased accuracy. Of course I would not expect someone as stupid as you to understand what a confounding variable is, so please kill yourself.

>>34278513
I didnt say because of the 1911 you dingleberry... can you not read? Did mommy drop on your empty head while she was riding black dick? Get a hold of yourself...

>>34278529
And there we have it folks! Dumbass can't think of anything better than to spew more bullshit. You talk you talk of cz75 accuracy by bringing up the 1911. How can any decently intelligent person think that is okay? Confounding variables anyone? You are so stupid that the world would honestly be better if people like you just killed themselves to spare the rest of us from your stupidity.

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>>34278529
Owned... >>34278513 should sit on a cock.

>>34278561
You're pathetic. Looks like you have no more points to debate. Youre the worthless piece of shit, not me. Tell you what, if you can piss 6 feet in the air straight up and not get wet, then ill be impressed. Otherwise please kindly fuck off.

>>34278568
>>34278561
Kids, being stupid is bad. But samefagging is even worse.
Kys

>>34278593
>Gets bent over and fucked in the ass because arguments suck
>Resort to making no further points because he's all out of bullshit
Lol

ITT derailed by summerfag that fell for the rail length meme

>>34278477
You do realize that cz-75s use barrel bushings and the vast majority of 1911s on the market aren't hand fit, right?

>>34278633
>CZ75s have barrel bushings
*Leans into mic* WRONG
>Most 1911s aren't hand fit
Yes but the point was that a 1911 can be made very accurate by hand fitting certain parts such as the barrel bushing and barrel, and that 1911 accuracy is not comparable to the cz75 on the basis of full length slide rails alone.

>>34278618
>points out that you have no further points to make
>accuse me of what you're doing
Enjoy being delusional

>>34278656
You're hilariously uninformed as to the design of cz-75s, i feel sorry for any poor uneducated souls who take your words seriously.

https://www.google.com/search?q=cz+75+barrel+bushing&oq=cz+75+barrel+bushing&aqs=chrome..69i57j0.4415j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

>>34277382
You spelled Jericho 941 wrong, anon.

>>34277614
>>34277653
Holy fuck.

Shake off your dicks this pissing match is autistic as fuck. I literally feel more stupid after reading your bickering.

>>34277382

Because it's operating system is inherently reliable, they are accurate out the box, easy to work on, you can add a G lever now, has cheap parts/support, and it's soft shooting too.

>>34277652

Hurr, Walther, Beretta, S&W don't know how to design guns because lol slide levers

>>34277705

I've shot IDPA, 3-Gun, and just general pistol shooting. I have 8K through a single CZ-75B, 3K through a CZ-75 Compact, and at least 50K through a dozen or so 92FS variants over 10 years of shooting. (Also about the same for Glock 17s and 34s)

Feeding is always 92FS > CZ. In fact, the 92FS design is probably the least ammo sensitive service pistol in production. The CZ does not handle JHPs nearly as well, and has more feeding issues in general.

Both are

>>34278138
Any thoughts on the P-01 for carry?

>>34277762

1. Which doesn't matter
2. Yes, but hard as fuck to grip
3. Locking Wedge is so much more reliable
4. Non issue now
5. No fucking way period. No stock CZ has a good trigger. Beretta can be fixed with a $5 spring and 5 minutes.
6.No, its because CZ didn't have patent protection, and anyone could make a CZ clone. Plus CZ actively markets it while Beretta is a shotgun company first
7. Vertec or scalloped frame
8. Meh
9. Adjustable sights on a "combat" pistol.

You do not shoot often just by your post.

>>34277908
See above

And faggots who complain about slide mounted controls are total faggots that do not shoot either. There isn't a total training block when you use one.

>>34279051
Great gun but imho the PCR and P-07 are a little more carry friendly. The PCR is a little narrower in the nose and the p-07 is lighter. That being said i think you'd likely be hard pressed to notice much difference between the PCR and P-01 while actually carrying and the design will allow you to mount a light and add a little more weight out in front. If you like it a lot then don't hesitate.

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>>34278156
>Wobble-wobble
>Muh perfection
shut it down, the Goyim know
polymer fags on suicide watch

>>34279097
Thanks a ton Anon

>>34279108

Polymer flexing is why polymer frames don't break easily. It's why you can run over a Glock with a car with no issue, but it would fuck a HiPower or 92FS

>>34279869
Proof?

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anything other than striker fired for self defense is larping, however 99.999% of the people here will only ever shoot paper and for that the beretta shoots like a dream

>>34278180
Slavshit git out reeeeeeeeeeee

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>>34279963
>anything other than striker fired for self defense is larping

the 92 is just a P38 made double stack.

>>34278561
Slavshit get out reeeeeeeeeeeee

>>34277382
Either a sig or the cz 75.
Would argue for the sp01.

>>34279973
everyone knows its true, whether they will admit it or not

>>34279108
Twas merely a gif
To discount the slide rail
Theory as a meme

>>34280017
I avoid striker fired handguns like the plague. Deal with it.

>>34280309
youre free to buy whatever you want, this is still a free country, but youre still larping as some fictional character

>>34280344
all that implying