I just came to America. Can you please introduce me to the laws

It depends on the state, really. You are going to have vastly different laws in states with large cities like California compared to states like Georgia.

You must have been a resident for at least 90 days to own a gun, but after then, assuming you're a resident, maybe you have a work visa, greencard, or even citizenship, you're good to go to own firearms.

To buy a firearm from an FFL, you'll need to fill out a background check form and provide ID (driver's license, for instance), in near all states, there is no waiting period.
There might be some local restrictions here and there if you don't have citizenship (some states wouldn't let you carry, for instance), but for the most part you'd be green.

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>>34272129
Don't point firearms at anyone.
No one cares if it's "unloaded" or if the safety's on.

Really don't accidentally point the muzzle at someone.

>>34272129
Where you from?

>>34272138
But what about the customs and cultural aspects of firearms? How does shooting relate to everyday life in America? Is it a solitary or social activity? Is it taken very seriously, or very casually? How do practitioners of different types of shooting relate to each other? Are shooters judged by the type of weapons they use? At what age do Americans typically begin shooting? Are shooting groups open to outsiders, or are they more cliquish?
>>34272162
So Americans are very safety conscious?
>>34272165
Slovakia.

You can keep a gun in your home and use it if you have a reasonable fear of harm or of loss of life.

If you wanna carry, you'll have to look at your specific state's carry laws. Some states are very loose and let you constitutional carry, some require a permit, some require training to go along with that permit, and a few make the process even more tedious (read: inner cities in California). Some states have a single permit for all types of carry, some distinguish conceal carry and open carry.

Obviously if you do plan to carry or keep in your house, know and be respectful of fun safety basics, especially if you are carrying in public.

When carrying in public, typically people conceal carry. Even though there are about 300 million guns in this country, people may react with suspicion or alarm if you are openly carrying (and it makes you a target of special attention if SHTF, both from attackers and the police), expecially in democratic shitholes like California.

Read up on your state's fun laws.

Big cities and coastal cities are liberal strongholds.
There is arrogance in the culture of most of these big liberal cities.
These places will 100% have stricter gun laws.

Customs

Rural America and "red states" in general is a very pro gun culture. Many people in these areas own guns. It is expected that anyone owns a gun if they are (pick two) white, male, and old.

People in these areas go hunting, or at least hunting is a respectable past time among them.

People in gun areas tend to rely on, or at least believe they could rely on, their guns and their friends/family (and their guns) for defense, rather than look to the state.

In anti-gun cultural areas, namely large cities, fewer people (admit to) owning guns. Owning guns is seen as something criminals or crazy people do. People will judge you harshly for it. They believe pretty much everything opposite of the above.

Guns are only one of the things these regions are divided about.

>>34272185
>But what about the customs and cultural aspects of firearms
Again, it really depends on where you are; what state you reside in; whether you live in a big city with lots of gun violence or a rural town where you can gather up all 5 townspeople and have a grand old time shooting coyotes.

Overall I get the impression it's more of a casual affair. People shoot because it's fun to rapidly accelerate small chunks of lead.
It would help if you told us what state you moved (or are planning on moving) to and whether it's a city, bumfuck nowhere, or somewhere in between.

>>34272185
>So Americans are very safety conscious?

Anyone that isn't an idiot is. It's also not a good idea to advertise that you have guns, might make you a target for thieves--especially in a city.

>>34272198
What's a red state?

Also, it sounds like Americans have very polarized feelings about guns. In Europe, I would say feelings are more moderate. We don't worship guns, but we're not afraid of them either. It's just a tool for hunting and sport. In theory, we could also use them for defense, but crime is so rare in central Europe that we don't really worry about it.

>>34272204
A coyote is like a dog? We don't have them in Europe. Why do you shoot dogs?

>>34272204
>It would help if you told us what state you moved (or are planning on moving) to and whether it's a city, bumfuck nowhere, or somewhere in between.
I am in Philadelphia.

>>34272232
>A coyote is like a dog? We don't have them in Europe. Why do you shoot dogs?

They're like wolves that kill your good tame dogs. They harass your dogs in the middle of the night--sometimes they fight your dogs.

If you have dogs that live outside in a rural area you might want to get a couple dogs so they can keep the coyotes at bay. Realistically it is uncommon for them to kill your dog, but they might tear him up a little.

>>34272232

A red state is a state that votes Republican in every modern election. A blue state is a state that votes Democrat. They are called that because of how they are colored in election result maps.

Our political parties probably won't make much sense to a newcomer, but Republicans for various reasons tend to represent the pro-gun side most of the time.

>>34272241
Until recently, we killed wolves in Slovakia, but some Polacks and the EU didn't like it.

>>34272248
In Europe, red means communism (or whores in Netherlands).

>>34272185
>customs and cultural aspects
It varies between geographical locations and income classes, probably as much as it does in Europe.
>relates to everyday life
For most people on a daily basis it matters very little, but some do carry daily for their safety. It isn't as big of an issue as the international community thinks it is.
>solitary or social activity
Honestly, both. It can be solitary if you want to concentrate on your marksmanship for carrying or hunting. If the range trip has no other purpose than to shoot,it can be very social, people giving assistant, having friendly competition in clay shooting, or simple accuracy contests.
>serious or casual
Depends on the situation, but mostly casual. Serious attitudes are reserved for hard training for big competitions, self defense or law enforcement.
>relating to each other
Very few people only own one kind of gun, so it can very easy to relate to other shooters just by talking about the similarities of the guns each person owns
>are they judged
Yes, but not always negatively. Guns are easily associated with financial status, so while buying cheap guns can be seen somewhat negatively, it's only really bad when one has clearing overpaid for a gun or spent too much on useless accessories instead of useful time. Think of it as someone buying a old junk car for twice what it is worth, then attaching a lot of plastic to try to make it look better.
>what age
Anywhere between 5 and 25, depending on surrounding circumstances. It can be seen as a coming of age or sampling of the freedoms of adulthood
>open or cliquish
Both unfortunately, but thankfully mostly open, but it's hard to explain how or why, because it has more to with the people involved than the guns they shoot. You will know it when you see it.

Hope that helps anon

>>34272232

The coyote is a wild relative of dogs, smaller than a wolf. The native wolf population in the US is mostly wiped out (like in Europe) so the coyote is the wild canine most likely to be encountered. Unlike some species the coyote is very successful at avoiding being wiped out by humans. They are considered a nuisance animal especially to ranchers.

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>>34272248
^ this

population centers are almost always Democrat (blue) and their policies include stricter gun control.

So in cities you may have to jump through more hoops to exercise your 2nd amendment. It should go without saying they won't allow you to shoot inside city limits.

Quite an inconvenience for city dwellers, they need to find a shooting range, or travel out of the city to shoot.

>>34272272
Communism = blue here mate.

Also welcome to the states.

>>34272272

Red meant communism in America until about the year 2000. It still does in contexts other than "red states" and "blue states".

>>34272272
Not him, but coyotes are more common than wolves, to the point of being considered pests in most areas. They are not any human's friend, but they are not especially dangerous, essentially they are dog sized and shaped rats.

Red means the exact opposite in the states, in fact most "red" states would joke about killing communists

>>34272280
>It varies between geographical locations and income classes, probably as much as it does in Europe.
Income classes? Are guns really expensive in America?
>>34272280
>For most people on a daily basis it matters very little, but some do carry daily for their safety. It isn't as big of an issue as the international community thinks it is.
Is America really so dangerous that you have to carry a gun every day? I never felt the need to in Slovakia.
>>34272280
>useless accessories instead of useful time. Think of it as someone buying a old junk car for twice what it is worth, then attaching a lot of plastic to try to make it look better.
What accessories? Like decoration?
>>34272289
>2nd amendment
What is that?

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>>34272316
>>2nd amendment
>What is that?

How did you even gain citizenship?

It's the second amendment (modification) to the United States Constitution. The document that restrains the government, literally the only thing Americans have protecting them from the monstrosity we call the American government.

It is the supreme law of the land.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

It means in order for militias to keep operating properly the people all have a right to arms. Or rather, their God-given right to arms is protected from the American government's attempts to take it away.

It should be noted the constitution does not "grant" rights, they are assumed to be pre-existing, whether they were considered, at the time, to have come from English common law or God is debatable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOmM6qBnbrI

It was deathly important to elect Donald Trump so he could appoint good God-fearing men who respect the constitution to the Supreme Court.

>>34272129
It varies wildly state by state, you'll have to narrow it down.

>>34272316
>What is that?
An article in our constituiton stating
>"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
The definition of "A well regulated militia" has been a topic of debate for some time.

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>>34272348
Not really, a "well-regulated machine" meant one that is operating properly. It is only revisionist liberals/democrats that want it to mean one that has federal control over it.

Despite the next words literally making that view absolutely ridiculous.

>THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE, TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

>>34272340
>God-fearing men who respect the constitution
I mean yeah they help protect the constitution, but only in ways that benefit them and their financial backers.
Necessary evil and all that.

>>34272340
You have militias in America? Most of Europe has not had them since WW2. Some communist police forces had them to beat up protestors in 80s, but not anymore.

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>>34272367
Every able bodied man in America between 18 and 45 is considered part of the militia.

In a modern context it would be an absolute last line of defense to deter an invasion, in my opinion.

>>34272367
We don't have "militias" per say.
We might have patrols along the borders to Mexico and whatnot,
but no we don't have any militias as there hasn't been a direct need for them.
At least not in the sense that citizens have to pick up arms and fight in the absence of out standing military and national guard.

>>34272377
Pretty much everyone is part of the "militia" as far as the law is concerned.

>>34272362
What really bugs me is that if people are genuinely confused about what the founders were thinking when they wrote the 2nd Amendment they could just read the state constitutions written by those same founders and their peers, but that would completely clear up the issue forever so let's all just continue to be willfully ignorant because we have an agenda to push.

From the Vermont Constitution of 1777:

That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State; and, as standing armies, in the time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military should be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.

>>34272316
>are guns really expensive?
They can be but they don't have to be. Because of the freedoms we have in relation to firearms, the market is very broad. A functional firearm can be as little as $150-$200, a very reliable one can be anywhere from $300 to $1000, and a collectable or very high precision ones can be from $1000 to well into the range of a expensive car or house ( $50,000-$100,000)
>is america really dangerous?
Buy and large no. Somewhat ironically, the most restrictive places for ownership are the most dangerous. There are many non-firearm related reasons why, but that's how it works out. Some people do because of the idea of being prepared. No one really wants to shoot anyone, but they don't want to die or get hurt either, so they carry one, and if they never have to use it, they are thankful. Many people go their whole lives without carrying and never need one.
>like decorations
Sometimes yes. Because of the broad market I described before, people can buy a lot of things to make their guns look different and work slightly different. A lot of these accessories can be had cheaply so it's very easy to purchase them in excess. A prime example can be found in the "bubba" or arms list threads that are on here from time to time. Where an individual has bought an old rifle or a cheap rifle and traded half the parts out and expects to sell it for twice the value, when instead the firearm is no longer practical, or simply exactly as functional as before modification.

>>34272388
That quote is only speaking about control over the military by the people.

What point are you making here?

>>34272367
See:
>>34272388

The founders fought a revolution against a professional army and were distrustful of the concept. They wanted to rely on militias for defense but that fell apart almost instantly. The mindset of not keeping a strong army during peacetime continued though, which was why we basically had to create an army from scratch for WW1.

There have been laws since then that defined the militia as every able bodied man between a certain age, and the supreme court has defined the second amendment as an individual right. That part of the amendment is almost vestigial at this point.

>>34272375
>Every able bodied man in America between 18 and 45 is considered part of the militia.
>>34272381
I thought America got rid of conscription after the Vietnam war?
>>34272377
So why are you telling me about militia law in USA constitution? It doesn't make sense. Slovakia had militias working for Germans and then communists, but today is very peaceful.
>>34272393
>Sometimes yes. Because of the broad market I described before, people can buy a lot of things to make their guns look different and work slightly different. A lot of these accessories can be had cheaply so it's very easy to purchase them in excess. A prime example can be found in the "bubba" or arms list threads that are on here from time to time. Where an individual has bought an old rifle or a cheap rifle and traded half the parts out and expects to sell it for twice the value, when instead the firearm is no longer practical, or simply exactly as functional as before modification.
Why would you do that? In Europe, the gun works fine and does not need extra parts except a scope.

>>34272367

We have "organized militia" and "unorganized militia".

The organized militia is the national guard, which is more or less a part of the military deployed for domestic purposes like suppressing riots and disaster relief. They also can be activated and sent to support in war zones.

The "unorganized" militia is military age males in the country. There is really no official government support, control, or even acknowledgement of the unorganized militia. It is a pretty abstract concept.

The word "militia" in modern US usage most frequently means self-appointed groups who arm themselves and organize for various reasons, many of which are political and controversial. The government neither controls these nor likes them much. But it is legal as long as they don't break other laws.

>>34272429

They don't actively conscript anyone but it is technically legal for the President to do so. The military doesn't really want conscripts anymore.

>>34272429
>the gun works fine
Because freedom allows for ignorance. I agree with you completely, however, a lot of people in this country only work with their hands. So this leads them to thinking that anything they can assemble with their hands has monetary value. It is difficult to convince them otherwise.
I am assuming I answered your other questions well?

>>34272396
>That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State

Did you not read this part? It's the reason VT has no local gun laws. I don't know how you missed it.

The second part:
> and, as standing armies, in the time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military should be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.

Is the explanation of why they want the right to keep and bear arms an individual right. They were sacred shitless of tyrannical government.

Genuinely curious if English is your first language. If you're the Slovakian dude I'll give you a pass, if you're an American then you should read a book, nigga.

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>>34272427
>>34272429
>>34272430
Sounds like America has 3 militaries, the unorganized armed citizenry, the national guard, and the federal military.

The federal military has quite a few toys at their disposal too.

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>>34272453
usaf air

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>>34272465
army air

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>>34272466
marine air

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>>34272471
USAF airlift

>>34272430
>>34272437
So you have volunteer militias that don't fight anyone? They are just waiting for the next war?
>>34272450
Weird.

Also, what is stand ground law in America?
>>34272451
>Genuinely curious if English is your first language. If you're the Slovakian dude I'll give you a pass, if you're an American then you should read a book, nigga.
He is not OP. I am.

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>>34272473
Drones

>>34272453

On paper.

Guard is nominally under state control but the President can take control of it any time, as happened in 1957 in Arkansas.

The unorganized is not really a fighting force.

>>34272476
>So you have volunteer militias that don't fight anyone? They are just waiting for the next war?
They're the standing "professional" military. There's usually something for them to fight every 10-15 years just so there's always a certain number of combat veterans or something like that.
All so we can actually have an army ready in case we need one.
This has lead to a whole bunch of problems with how it's run, but I'd still rather have the military and not need it than need it and not have it.

>>34272476

We have groups that dress in military-ish gear and carry rifles waiting for a civil war to start, yes.

Google "Bundy Ranch".

>>34272476
>>34272476
>So you have volunteer militias that don't fight anyone?

No, it's involuntary. It's every man within a certain age range. Administrativly it's called "selective service" where you're required to register your happy ss to be drafted if shit hits the fan.

>They are just waiting for the next war?

I can't imagine how shitty the war would be that would bring back the draft.

>>34272220
>It's also not a good idea to advertise that you have guns, might make you a target for thieves--especially in a city.

This. Be cautious about talking about guns or sharing information about your guns on social media/Facebook/etc.

>>34272526

I expect a full scale invasion of the whole US would be required, and nukes would be used before the draft.

>>34272505
>I'd still rather have the military and not need it than need it and not have it.

Agree to disagree there. I think our military is baller as fuck, but it's created an imperial mindset I'm not a fan of. It's hard to argue that we should bring back a small conscript and just accept massive casualties when we find ourselves in a war, though.

>>34272129
Did you not learn shit before moving here? You fucking cunts just come here and shit things up. Fucking lazy Euro can't Into google. At least you speak English so that's nice.

>>34272526
I thought you said a minute ago that USA government had nothing to do with volunteer militias?
>>34272527
Is it true American student can be punished for talking about guns? It seems to me USA has a lot of censorship.

>>34272554

On paper it's involuntary, but the government does nothing with it. Think of it like jury duty. Some people never get called up for it.

>>34272232
>why do you shoot dogs?
Its the ATF not us

>>34272548
I just wish our military officials weren't so fucking corrupt and that we didn't have massive budgetary problems.
Blessing and a curse man.

>>34272554

Well there is the legal notion of the "unorganized militia" - all citizens theoretically (but not likely) available for military service.

Then there is self styled "patriot militias" that are non-government, often anti-government groups.

Very different things.

>>34272561
I am a guest in your country, so I must not speak disrespectfully of your customs, but to be honest, it seems to be that your laws are very strange and over-complicated. Slovakian army has fewer people than average size town in America..
>>34272566
Corrupt how?
>>34272564
What is ATF? Is it like animal control?

>>34272554

People under 18 who attend government schools have significantly less rights than adults in terms of free speech, freedom of association, etc.

Americans are terrified of school shootings.

Small children have been punished for just drawing pictures of guns, because people think they will shoot up the school.

>>34272554
There are a bunch of people in this thread talking about different things.

There's a professional national military and state mlitia units. The government can draft and male in a certain age range, but doesn't because conscripts write letters home about how much war sucks and then we can't rule the world.

All of this is made possible by an evolving set of laws and cultural norms that would have made our founding fathers apoplectic.

>>34272566
I'd broaden that to our entire government, but yeah. Oh well, the republic had a nice run.

>>34272591
>Corrupt how?
They break a lot of the rules they've sworn to abide by.
Things like making deals with certain weapons contractors just to make more money for certain folks and a bunch of other illegal shit.
Still not as bad as China or Russia's military's though.

>>34272129
>>34272232
>Philadelphia

You should be ok then. Pennsylvania has good guns laws. In the city you should just treat it like any other hobby, but understand that some people don't like that you do it. Ignore those people, and don't make them your friends. Ask people at work or whatever if they like guns and shooting, and if they would like to be range buddies, or join a shooting club, I'm sure that there are a lot of them. Once you get into rural Pennsylvania it's even better

>>34272185
>How does shooting relate to everyday life in America?
It'd depend on who you ask, many hunt, many target shoot, many own a gun for protection, some own a gun just because, for some it's part of their job (police, pest control, manufacturing or selling), some collect, etc. It's very common for people to have guns for multiple reasons.

>Is it a solitary or social activity?
It can be both, some like to go shoot clays with their work pals, some like to go to a long distance rifle range on a Sunday morning and do long range target shooting alone, many do both. Some hunt on their own, many bring a dog for company and utility, some like to hunt or target shoot casually with a friend or family member.

>Is it taken very seriously, or very casually?
Again, both. Owning a firearm is seen as a fundamental human right by a lot of people, but the lax laws also makes it easy to be casual about it. Some only hunt on occasion, or they buy a handgun and just leave it sitting in a drawer just to have one, in case something happens some day, but many who do this have little interest and maybe don't practice very much, if at all.
On one hand, this might seem like a risk, not being able to shoot very well in a life and death situation, but on the other hand, crime is really pretty low on average (if you subtract some particular neighborhoods from some of the biggest cities, the average across the US would actually largely compare pretty closely to the average across Europe). A guy like that might never shoot his gun ever, and there you have a mint condition gun that could be inherited or bought by someone who does care more after their passing.

>>34272591

"ATF" is Bureau of "Alcohol, Tobbacco, and Firearms". Basically the group that polices gun ownership in the US.

Police in the US are infamous for kicking down your door and shooting your dog (and you) if you are suspected of illegal drugs, illegal guns, etc.

>>34272591

>over-complicated laws

Well don't ever read the tax code then

BATFE/ATF is the federal level enforcement agency that focuses on enforcing federal laws related to guns,ammo, explosives, alcohol, and tobacco. They also have the habit of being extremely agressive in doing so, leading to dead dogs.

>>34272617
... Well this isn't true at all. First you need warrants, usually felony.

>>34272591
>it seems to be that your laws are very strange and over-complicated

That's because it is. We have an entire branch with artillery and an air force that's subordinate to another branch because a long time ago we wanted to try imperialism but pretend we weren't.

>What is ATF? Is it like animal control?

lulz

>>34272595
>Small children have been punished for just drawing pictures of guns, because people think they will shoot up the school.
What? Are you serious? That's fucked up. How come America has so little freedom?
>>34272595
>Americans are terrified of school shootings.
Well, you do have a lot of them compared to Europe, but still statistically very rare. Finns had a couple.
>>34272617
>>34272628
Kicking down door? Sounds like police state. We rarely have that since getting rid of communism.

>>34272638
Well, you do have a lot of them compared to Europe, but still statistically very rare. Finns had a couple.
It's not even because they happen often, they don't, it's because they media hypes them up to high heaven and never shuts up about em' until the next story.
God forbid we make reforms to mental health before banning firearms.

After reading this thread, it is clear that Slovakian anon has no fucking clue about anything. That's alright, though. If you hang out on /k/ everyday you'll learn this stuff pretty fast.

Enjoy America, friend

>>34272638

That's how warrants and searches go when you deal with Federal level law enforcement. It's generally not gonna be a pleasant time.

>>34272638

People treat children as if they give up much of their freedom when they enter the school building. Parents who do not like this will home-school their children or send them to a private school if they can afford it. That means the parents whose kids are still in public school tend to be the ones who don't mind the lack of freedom so much.

Doors only get kicked down if a judge issues a warrant for your arrest. It is rare. But it's become a meme.

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>>34272129
Avoid California and New York

>>34272662
>private school
somehow worse than public schools and I don't know how.

>>34272663

Jesus Christ that is retarded.

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>>34272185
>How do practitioners of different types of shooting relate to each other?
>Are shooters judged by the type of weapons they use?
>At what age do Americans typically begin shooting?
Are shooting groups open to outsiders, or are they more cliquish?
This all really varies greatly, I'm not sure you could get a fully consistent average on any of those, except maybe that people would be more likely to start their kids on guns at an earlier age in rural areas.
There really are all kinds of people.

As for being judged, yeah, it can happen, but are you really going to care about some old crusty fudd giving you the stinkeye because he doesn't like that "black military rifle" you're shooting?

>Are Americans very safety conscious
I'd like to think so, but realistically it's more likely for someone who is more invested and interested in guns to keep the rules in mind.
Accidents, especially fatal ones, are actually not too common, but it's not a rare sight to see very casual gun owners to forget about one or more basic safety rules.

>>34272638
>>Small children have been punished for just drawing pictures of guns, because people think they will shoot up the school.
>What? Are you serious? That's fucked up. How come America has so little freedom?

When we say "punished" we mean not allowed to go to school for a few days or being made to sit in the corner for a few minutes.

>>34272232
Coyotes are not like dogs, they're like the opposite of a nice golden retreiver or pug.

>>34272663
>>34272675
What is that?
>>34272679
>fudd
What is a fudd?
>>34272693
That sounds awful.

>>34272679
> old fudds not liking black rifles

OP probably doesn't know what a Fudd is.

A fudd, named after cartoon character Elmer Fudd, was traditionally a old-school hunter who was distrustful of modern guns. "You can ban AKs and ARs, just don't ban my bolt action deer rifle", was their attitude.

Most of that generation has died off by now, but there's still a few.

Not nearly as many as the continued use of the word fudd as a synonym for "redneck, hayseed, old fogey, rural, fat old white guy" would imply. Fat old white guys are on the AR-15 band wagon now.

>>34272719

That gif is an AR-15 that has been rendered compliant with California's new gun law. Californians can no longer own a gun with certain features and a detachable magazine, defined as a magazine that can be removed without "disassembling" the gun.

In the gif, the gun is being partially "disassembled" to remove the magazine.

>>34272762
What? Then how you put ammunition in the gun?
>>34272742
Why do they not like military rifle? Is it not as good as hunting rifle?

>>34272778
Because they're old timey boomer hunting people, and think tacticool is for whipersnappers and school shooters. Present use of "fudd" includes plenty of people who do like tacticool stuff but have that old-person mentality, like fat middle aged dudes who believe they're right about whatever bs daddy told them that his daddy told him.

>>34272778

The law was intended by its authors to ban everything except guns with a fixed magazine, where you have to feed rounds into the body of the gun itself. This is slower that changing magazines and is imagined, along with capacity limits, to make it impossible for someone to shoot a large number of people quickly.

The gif is of a hack that someone came up with, allowing you to use normal AR magazines by just opening the receiver up whe changing mags.

Before that the law said removing the mag has to require use of a "tool", so companies made guns with "bullet button" - a button that had to be pushed with something skinny, like the tip of round of ammo.

As for why the old fudds didn't like modern rifles, I guess it was just about not liking anything new. Hunting rifles are essentially just *obsolete* service rifles anyway.

>>34272778
You put ammo in that rifle by partially disassembling it, removing the magazine from your partially disassembled rifle, inserting a new magazine into the partially disassembled rifle, and then partially reassembling your rifle.

Fudds don't like military rifles because they are old and stubborn, and think that anything that doesn't use wood on the rifle is unsuited for hunting, despite AR-15s being great for hog and 7.62x39 (AK Ammo) being a ballistic equivalent to their beloved 30-30.

>>34272809
So they can't use a gun with a magazine? Even in Europe, magazine fed rifles are very popular.
>>34272826
>You put ammo in that rifle by partially disassembling it, removing the magazine from your partially disassembled rifle, inserting a new magazine into the partially disassembled rifle, and then partially reassembling your rifle.
Why would you do that? Sounds like a lot of work compared to just using a magazine or stripper clip.

>>34272853
They are using a magazine, the state of California however is intent on making it as difficult as possible to use a firearm without outright banning all guns.

>>34272853

The government of California does not want guns with detachable magazines to be privately owned in their state.

Yes, it is a huge hassle.

But that's what you get with a federal system - different states can have some pretty goofy laws.

>>34272875
I'm sorry, but that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. Nobody cares in Europe if the gun has a magazine.

>>34272885
That's California for you, one of the worst states in the Union if you like guns.

>>34272885

That's what happens when one of the largest states in the country is controlled by people whose ideas about guns is mostly formed out of fears of mass shootings.

>>34272926
Why do they have a hysterical obsession with mass murder? Is it some kind of psychological insecurity?

And it doesn't make logical sense. If you are afraid of gun, why not make all guns illegal and not just magazines?

I think this is the nicest I've ever seen /k/ be on thread. And a bait thread no less!

>>34272944
>Psychological insecurity
That's basically it. They don't know jack shit about the guns they're trying to ban, they just know that they're evil baby killers.
But they can't outright ban all guns thanks to SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED, so they make it as big of a pain in the ass to get one, and then put all those dumbass restrictions on the guns that you can get.

>>34272129

The federal gummit defines the following terms-
Firearm
Pistol
Rifle
Shotgun
Any other weapon
To sell guns you need a federal firearms. License (FFL). To buy guns you need to fill out a government form called a 4473 and undergo a background check. In some states there's a waiting period and some states there are no waiting periods. Some states arbitrarily decide which guns are assault rifles and limit the sales of which because as we all know. A pistol grip on your rifle means it's an assault rifle. Nearly all states require a permit to carry concealed but none to open carry.

>>34272944

They are hysterically afraid of mass shootings because it is seen as a thing that can happen anywhere, at any time, without warning, to THEM and their families as opposed some "other people" on tv.

The horribleness when it happens outweighs the actual chance of if happening, because that's how most people's brains work.

Most fear of terrorism is the same too. After 9/11 a shit load of people in America thought the same thing was imminently about to happen in their home town.

And California probably would just ban all guns if they thought they'd get away without being sued in federal court.

>>34272719
>Fudd
A fudd is a person who views the right to own guns simply as a means to hunt animals and nothing more. Usually describing a post baby-boomer (born 1950s to 1960s) adult who was willing to give up 2nd amendment rights for gun control laws to pass so they wouldn't completely lose the "right" to hunt.

The term "fudd" comes from "Elmer Fudd" from the Looney Tunes cartoons as he always carries a shotgun or single shot rifle by his side and he's a hunter.

These individuals are indentified by their apparent ignorance on modern day firearms and view any rifle, pistol, or shotgun without wood as a "military-grade" or "assault" weapon.

In short they're faggots who ruined our current day gun laws by being bootlickers.

>>34273002
So why can't you sue them for telling you you can't have a magazine in your rifle?

>>34272969

Wait till OP actually buys a gun and posts pics of it. Then the criticism of his purchasing choices will start in earnest.

>>34272232
Where in philly? We have some real shit neighborhoods and iirc you aren't allowed to CC inside city lines

>>34273018

Those kinds of laws have usually held up to challenges in court. The gun laws that get struck down are the ones where you can demonstrate it effectively amounts to a ban on all guns.

>>34272316

Income classes? Are guns really expensive in America?

Generally speaking
>.22lr rifles and handguns are like 150-400 bucks
>Centerfire pistols are 180-1k+. A hipoint c9 costs like 180 and a Glock costs 400-600 and like a custom 1911 is like 1100
>Bolt action rifles are like 300-3k plus
>ARs cost an average of like 800 bucks but you can buy ars now for like half that

>>34272129
Find a gun safety course. Sign up.

>>34272185
>So Americans are very safety conscious?
nigger, do you know what bullets do when they leave a firearm and come into contact with your body?

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>>34272885
That's what happens when those in power absolutely hate regular people having weapons.

It's a bit like in old Communist states, they would heavily restrict who could own what, an average person legally owning an AK47 would be unheard of in East Germany or Ukraine when they were Soviet states.

The ruling class of California want much the same restrictions, so they push for laws (usually gradually), making it increasingly difficult to own things which aren't manually operated hunting rifles.

You can have an AK47 or AR15, it can be semi-automatic, but you have to choose between having a pistolgrip and being able to easily change magazines, a semi-automatic that does both is as heavily regulated in California as an actual fully automatic weapon.
There are of course guns which are fine as they are, the Mini-14 has an old-fashioned rifle stock and no military features so it's legal to have detachable magazines on it (until you put a pistol grip on it). An SKS has a fixed magazine already, and an old-fashioned stock, so it can have a military feature like the characteristic folding bayonet.

An SKS from former Yugoslavia will have a grenade spigot on it's muzzle though (the Yugoslavs were really fond of rifle grenades, the kind where you use a blank rifle cartridge to launch a grenade fitted over the muzzle), California says that a grenade spigots are legally grenade launchers and it must be removed to be legal.
They are grenade launchers in a technical sense, but on the other hand, it's a series of ridges on the barrel as far as most people are concerned, the grenades in question I'm pretty sure haven't been made since at least the the 90's, were never exported to North America, and if they were, would be very difficult to legally source. I think you would pretty much have to travel to some old derelict miltary arms depot or museum in Serbia or Bosnia just so you could see a live one with your own eyes. I doubt the State Of California cares.

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>>34272926
>>34272885
I think you mean Jews like Dianne Kikestein.

>>34272885
California is the shittiest place in the USA for a gun owner all because of the dummies that live along the coast. The "red" inland part of California should secede from the crazy blue coastline.

>>34273626
>Eastern California
>Western California
Might work.

We should build a wall too, like in Escape From L.A

>>34273134
enact a force on your body.
the amount of damage done all depends on how it leaves the gun.

>>34273795
>splitting the state that holds 20% of the voting power in any given federal election into smaller pieces
I would like this but I doubt it will happen.
I'm fairly certain it would have a major effect on future elections.

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>>34272129

#1 'Merica, no theocracy. No tyranny. Speak your mind and let others speak theirs.
#2 The people's right to bear arms shall not be infringed.

etc.etc.

Don't point the gun at anything you're not willing to destroy.
Don't put your finger on the trigger until you're ready to shoot.
Know your target and what is around and behind it.
Treat the gun as loaded at all times. This is not a toy.

>>34273465
The only antigun politician.

>>34272885
That's anti-gun liberals for ya. Welcome to America, home to the extremes.

>>34272591
>I am a guest in your country,
>so I must not speak disrespectfully of your customs,

Well that's a fucking surprise. Most people here find them to be shit for various reasons.

>>34272551
Don't be mean to OP, he doesn't seem to be a kebab or commie.

>>34273898
Seriously. The Representative system breaks down when you have that many people being represented by so few. We should just go back to a true democracy like the Greeks had just for elections. One man one vote, that way we wouldn't have to worry about voting blocks or the number of red vs blue states, and with the advent of electronic voting it's finally viable for communities larger then tribes again.

>>34272232
>Also, it sounds like Americans have very polarized feelings about guns.
Everything in America is polarized right now.

But specifically one of the two main political parties has gun banning as a plank of their basic platform.

>>34272286
>The native wolf population in the US is mostly wiped out
This is propaganda and everyone in the NE knows it.

>>34278934
>gun banning as a plank of their basic platform

Democrats sure have a poor choice in structure.

>>34272638
The first thing you need to learn about America and Americans is that we neither like nor trust our government and always view things involving them in the worst light. This is true regardless of political affiliation, socio-economic class, race, gender, etc. Nobody likes or trusts our government as a whole, even if they do so for some of those who work for it.

>>34273018
Realistically?

Because first you have to get in trouble for having your normal rifle.
Then you have to sue them.
This is CA so all of the courts up to the top court in the district are packed full of nutjobs who think banning guns isn't in violation of the constitution.
You will have to continually appeal the case through all of the levels of the court, up to the Supreme Court of the US to get any different a ruling.
This will likely cost you years of your time and millions of dollars in legal fees for your lawyer(s).
And throughout this time you, personally, will be serving the sentence for your felony in a San Francisco prison getting pounded in the ass by a succession of large Black and Mexican dudes.

And ain't nobody got time for that shit.