Why are Marines so insufferable? What do they do in their basic

>>34246904
We really should be nicer to you kids and your mom's when we fuck them. Apparently it's upsetting you youngsters.

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uh huh....

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>>34246940
Don't act like you are so squeaky clean jarhead

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>>34246940

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>>34246940
>pot calling kettle black

>>34246966
>1 Chevron completely sideways
>Name tag in marker

Yeah she's getting med sepped or a failure to adapt.

>>34246966
>B-b-but GUNNYYY! I have a chit from medical!

>>34246904
http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/and-the-fattest-us-military-service-is

>>34246975
>>34246966
>>34246958


>>34246993

>>34246993
>the service with the most women and niggers is the fattest

Why do you people act surprised?

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>>34247013
Well what do you expect when the army is so much damn bigger you faggot

>>34247026
pathetic excuses? hello army puke

>>34247030
>Hi, I'm a retard please fuck my face

Do you not know how averages work?

>>34247030
you should learn what a percentage is. ofc, if you COULD, you wouldn't be stuck with army as your only option

>>34246904
The better question is why are marines so think skinned? You'd figure months of having some dude screaming at your face would make you able to brush off anything but the moment you say something even remotely unflattering about they they go full sperg mode.

>>34247033
You're right. I was in the army, and I was disgusted by what I saw usually.
Women everywhere in worthless made up staff jobs like EO adviser or SHARP reps or some other stupid job in an S shop.
That and fat, worthless E7s who should have been kicked to the curb for not passing PT tests or making weight and tape, but instead get to stay in an leech off the Army as housing NCOICs or being the guy in charge of issuing gas masks.

It pissed me off and it's one of the reasons I decided to get out when I did.

If you're fat and can't perform, you can't be a soldier and you need to be kicked out. Period.

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>>34247047
Yes but averages don't take into account the sheer variety of MOS's in the army. If you have a larger pool of course you'll get the wierd variety, if you compare Amry infantry to US Marine infantry I am almost certain you'll get near identical numbers.

This is the exact reason retards still scream about the wage Gap.

/k/ always talks about how marines are insufferable because its comprised of butthurt cav scouts and 101st air assault fags that have a chip on their shoulder.

The real question would be, why do you people get so assblasted at the mere mention of the word marine? Threads come up every fucking day about HURRR I HATE DA MURINES

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>>34246958
>>34246966
>>34246975

The difference is that all of these people will be barred from reenlistment and the Army still remains the fattest fucking branch. Ive shared a base in helmand with some 101st guys and half their SNCOs were fucking slobs

>>34247099
>Threads come up every fucking day about HURRR I HATE DA MURINES

One's an incident, two's a coincidence, and three's a pattern. If it's happening every day then it's because Marines are really that big of assholes and shitbags and people want to talk about it.

>>34247097
Why cant you faggots enforce pt standards across the board? It seriously isnt hard. All you have to do is run your guys every morning. Why cant you do fags do that?

but keep screeching about how you hate muhreens.

>>34247116
SNCOs in general outside of combat MOSs are fat.

>>34247097
And another thing, somewhat related to >>34246975 image.

The us Marines pride themselves on being MUHREENS FIRST. the army doesn't most of the time they don't give a shit if you are a pog. Marines sit there being all high and mighty yet they let this shit slide. Pick a side

>>34247125
>says marines are assholes and shitbags
>army fattest branch
>army has problems with their personnel not passing basic marksmanship quals

okay hooah.

Save for some of your infantry units and your SOCOM guys the army is an abortion. Ive trained at brag and I felt like I was in one of the worst parts of atlanta, except the welfare recipients wore uniforms. Still ate all the fried chicken they could stomach though.

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>>34247097

>>34247144
youre retarded and dont understand the obesity issue in the army. The USMC has been found to be the most fit branch overall. Yes there will be exceptions, but they are barred from reenlistment. Ive seen 101st sncos that look like mama june and it wasnt just onesies and twosies.

>>34247097
>It's the wide variety of MOSs!

Uh huh. That's why Army is behind the Navy and air Force too right? Two branches with no infantry. If anything your Infantry buffers the average for you, so basically your pogs are out of control.

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m-muhreens are shitlords

>>34247131
so why is the USN and USAF less fat than the army?

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>>34247210
Id rather be gay than be fat and not know how to shoot when im in a job that requires you to not be fat and know how to shoot, anon.

I hate Muhreens. One of them stole my gf

>>34247030
Compared to other branches, why there are so few officers in the Marines?

>>34247272
I would say because of MOS.

The USMC revolves around the infantry, you only need so many officers in an infantry or combat arms unit.

The USN and USAF have a fuckton of pilots, obviously more so in the latter and they both have lots of highly specialized tech related jobs.

>>34247116
>guys
That's the problem. 80% of the people busting tape are women.
>barred from reenlistment
That does fuck all for the shitbag E7s and E8s on their indef third enlistment, who make up 20% of the males busting tape despite representing ~3% of the male force.

>>34246904
>why are welfare queens so insufferable
You tell me.

>>34247197
They have yearly written standardized competency tests and basically no unrated billets to shuffle senior shitbirds off to, so they all get actually kicked out instead of falling through the cracks.

>>34246904
>Shoot back and miss

>>34247336
Reminds you of your own inadequacies?

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>"Every Marine is a rifleman"
>Has a "rifleman" MOS

Tells you all you need to know. Their existence is redundant.

USMC needs to be about 1/10th the size and integrated directly into the Navy.

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>>34247453
>All Marines are rifleman

It does tell me all I need to know. You're a dumb shit who doesn't know anything.

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The USMC is designed specifically for expeditionary warfare. 1 MEU can sustain combat operations for 15 days by itself, 30 for a MEF. They can be given there mission and be knocking on the beaches within the same day, as apposed to staging your forces for days to weeks. By far the most important, which ties in with the expeditionary capability, is there Americas(the Presidents) miniature military/strike force that can, on a moments notice, invade an entire country and leave within the allotted time ( what is it like 90 days?) before congress can get involved.

>tl;dr
>Army: large scale invasion force/ long term duration missions
>USMC: Small invasion force/ can fight Americas "small wars"

>>34247197
Because people actually want to sign up for the USN and USAF.

>>34246904

t. inferiority complex

>>34247574
>Air Force: crazy, lazy, and ready to deploy a large amount of forces to the last battle in human history.

>Be American
>Join "Army" to be an "Infantryman" or a "Soldier"
>arduous months of training, training, training, hurry up and wait
>FINALLY get deployed
>get fatter

Never change.

>The Pentagon's data is based on body mass index, or BMI. Individuals with a BMI greater than 25 are considered clinically obese. And within the U.S. armed forces, that rate has soared since personnel began deploying for months at a time to support the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

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>>34247574
All savages and heathens fear the campaign cover pirates

>>34246940
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>>34246975
>all these fat asses allowed in
>I'm apprently too skinny to sign up
>wut.jpg

Admittedly I uh, am kinda crazy too, but I know a lot of nut jobs that got in

>>34247717
I was so skinny the first time I went to MEPS that I got told to come back when I gained weight.
I was 6'3" and maybe 140 pounds if I was lucky.

I joined as a medic and was always the smallest guy yet I wore my armor and rifle and everything as well as my aid bag which could weigh 40 pounds depending on how stocked I had it.

>>34247210
Some other anon responded to you perfectly right from the beginning

>>34247667

Muhreene here. Now I'm fat. But when I was in the corps I was considered "fat" because I literally enjoyed body building.

5'10
210lbs

They measure your neck, but shit, I was a wrestler, I literally worked out my neck.

They should do a Body Fat % instead of size and weight. My BF was around 14%

>>34247828
I'm a lot shorter that that, and 20lbs lighter, but are you saying that you can still manage in the military even if you're a skeleton?

>>34247940
Yea anyone who works out (maybe takes roids too) will be obese under BMI
Such a stupid and pointless system, invented by bureaucrats for bureaucrats

>>34247992
try eating food you fucking twig

>>34247940
The whole weight and tape thing in the military needs to be fixed. It's just a totally flawed system.

>>34248077
I do anon, I eat a lot, and fattening stuff too, but I don't gain weight at all although I do skip meals a lot too

>>34247992
Yeah, it really comes down to endurance and cardio more than anything. You can lift and carry way more than you think you can, most people would be surprised.
It's the whole thing of being able to carry it for hours on end as well as wear your gear. Body armor isn't light, and your back and shoulders start to hurt like hell after wearing it for a long time.
I knew plenty of skellingtons when I was in, I remember our 240 gunner has like me, super tall and skinny, and he did just fine.

>>34248132
You don't gain weight and skip meals not because your metabolism is fast, but because it's slow. It's slow so you feel full longer and don't feel the need to eat. That's why you can eat what little you do and not feel like constantly eating more and therefore staying skinny.

One of the hardest things about gaining weight is the actual act of eating, a lot, even when you don't feel hungry. Eventually your body learns and your metabolism changes so you start craving food more.

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Nice 8 Million Dollar Camo... LOL

>>34248680
Holy shit, do Marines actually believe this?

>>34246904
Indoctrination that's one difference I noticed between Army and USMC basic. In the Army there was a total of maybe 2 hours spent on learning Army history and previous battles. The rest was actual practical shit so you have less chance of dying in combat.

Wild Blue Yonder = Anchors Aweigh > The Army Goes Rolling Along > Semper Paratus > power gap > Marines' Hymn

>>34248872
This is the kind of stuff boomer parents post on facebook after their criminal sons join the marines

>>34248894
If your boot camp is 5 weeks longer, you got a little extra time for history.

>>34248930
>five weeks

Just stop

>>34248680
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>>34248742
Fuck off Jarhead, you people spend more money on propaganda then goddamn rifles.

>>34248944
13-8 = 5 last I checked
Then a month like required MCT for every Marine that's a pog. So that's 4. So 9 additional in reality.

>>34248930
>Five weeks
Typical Marine, doesn't know how to subtract

>>34248965
Basic is 10 weeks in the Army and OSUT is 14-16 weeks.

>>34246904

The only annoying branch rivalry Ive ever encountered was from POGs or boots, and neither of their opinions about combat arms matter.

Just let that shit roll off. The Marines have their purpose, assaulting islands/archipelagos.

>Army can do amphib too
>what about airborne

Marines can put armor on those countries faster given that they carry their shit at sea, they still have a purpose. Just a more limited purpose now

>tfw being a civi and watching both sides bicker at eachother like theres even a difference between the two branches

you both shoot things, stop buying into the forced rivalry you've been told to give a shit about.

Reminder that "muh army rangers" are only on par to marine infantry.

>>34246904
>being this pog


If you aren't a Ranger and you enlisted within the last 7 years, you grew up in a pussy as weak garrison version of the army, and thus are subject to ridicule. Ranger up or suck it up.

>>34249081

This, no one is hard right now with the grotesque lack of war going on.

Rangers and SF are the only army units seeing much combat (with the exception of 10th mtn in Syria, and a few 101st in Afghan)

>>34248980
when i went in 10 years ago there was no variable difference in length of training. 9 weeks BCT and 5 weeks AIT. if you failed either one you had the option to get recycled or go home. How recent is this?

>>34247272
They rely on NCOs to lead.

>>34248965
Army basic is 10, and my AIT was 16 weeks

>>34248980
Wait so OSUT includes Basic then? So an Infantryman would do 16 weeks total.

A Marine would do 13 boot and then 8 weeks of SOI ITB.

So 21 - 16 and we're back to 5 more weeks.

>>34249052
Stop this shit. It's completely wrong and stupid

>>34247272

Officers in the Army actually see combat. Marine officers seem to never leave the FOB. I was doing route security in 07 and had a Marine Platoon get lost in our AO. I was the NCOIC of our column and I went to liaise with their OIC and had this breakdown in communications where it took a bit to realize that their PL wasn't actually there, but on the FOB, and moreover that was *normal.*

>>34246931
... why are you fucking kids?

>>34249116
My basic training was 10 weeks (9 weeks of training plus 5 days at reception plus graduation day plus family day) in 2004 and had been that way a while with a 1-2 day variance in reception holdover.

AIT is MOS dependent, anywhere from 5 to 61 weeks.

>>34249207
But 7 weeks of those 13 weeks in boot are non training as they get all the bitch details. The Marines actually get fewer training days than the Army.

>>34249312
I didn't really count in-processing towards that total. Also I was referring to infantry AIT for the army but should have specified

>>34246904
>They literally do the exact same thing as Soldiers

Except less often, less effectively, and with shittier equipment...

>>34249321
There literally is no training in either except how to shoot. That's already been brought up that the Army is lacking on that. It's just getting in shape somewhat.

>>34249335
Oh. OSUT was 11 weeks in 2004, Ive heard they since lengthened it. I was across the road from them at Benning.

>>34249359
>I've never served or been around those who have: the post

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>>34249283
Calling bullshit on that.

>>34249359
>literally no training except how to shoot
get your fake ass out of here
>>34249380
^ this

>>34249383
True from what I've seen, but wasn't around them a ton on deployment because they got kicked out of the AO for incompetence.

>>34249380
Wrong. Tell me what training you did in basic or boot. I want to hear what you think training is.

Oooh land nav? Ooh minor CPR?

>>34249321
>13 weeks non-training
What. Then how can Marines shoot at 500M and even POG Marines have better training than Army Infantry.

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>>34249410
>talks bullshit
>doubles down on bullshit.

>>34247097
>if you compare Amry infantry to US Marine infantry I am almost certain you'll get near identical numbers.

No fucking way.

Airborne, LRS, Ranger, and maybe...just maybe, the light guys from 10th motown and the 25th aren't fat bastards, but the mechanized fuckers are straight up fat bastards as much as any Army POG unit. The good guys in the mech world all get dragged the fuck down by the turds, and any motivation they had at arrival is immediately sucked right out of them.

>>34249413
>I'm a manchild armchair general: the post
On top of land nav, D&S, and marksmanship we learned route clearance, kinetic breaching, explosive breaching, small unit tactics theory, countersniper tactics, MOUT, route clearance, IED/UXO handling, CBRN TTPs, range estimation, basic vehicle maintenance and emergency recovery, mid level hand to hand (advanced modern army grabass), and a host of other shit.

>>34249458
Lmfao. Sure you did chief, sure you did.

>>34249452
I was a medic in a mech unit. Can confirm.

They get assigned to a vic and immediately stop trying.

>>34249419
Because their targets are five feet square and even non scoring hits are counted, their 500m ranges are bermed to reduce or eliminate crosswinds, and they qualify with magnified optics.

Oh, and the pit crews are openly encouraged to fudge scores and they're provided with spotters equipped with spotting scopes.

>>34249478
>and they qualify with magnified optics
Holy shit, is this true?

In the Army we used iron sights and it was fucking snowing when I had to qualify.

>>34247130
>Why cant you faggots enforce pt standards across the board?

For every actual fighter in the Army, there are 7-10 people that don't have to fight. That means they don't have to hump a ruck, sprint in full kit to react to contact, assault, or break contact, and nor do they have to hump casualties off an objective. The non-combat officers and NCO's pretty much call the shots these days thanks to Obama and the leftist congress, and since they don't have to be hard and physically fit, they don't believe their "soldiers" should have to be either. This is why open faggotry and females in combat units are now a thing.

The military needs to put the fucking combat commanders back in charge of making policy decisions and standards, but that will never happen, because bitches and faggots have no place in a professional combat organization, nor do the pussies and fat asses that drag down the combat arms in the support fields.

>>34249478
Meanwhile at Benning I had to hit 40 random targets in under three minutes ranging from 10 to 300m in distance in an open field using nothing but irons

>>34249478
None of that's true.

The siloute is man sized. Same burm as the rest. Only hits on black count if I recall, but You get hardly any if you don't hit black. And pretty sure recruits initial qual is with irons. If it's not anymore, was when I was in.

>>34249507
Oh, on man-sized targets and no burms on the field at all as well

>>34247717
>>34247992
>manlet
>anorexic
Are you a trap?

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>>34249478
Dude stop. You're hitting the Earth's core now.

>>34249507
>>34249522
>No berms.
Fuck off, ALL RANGES HAVE BERMS.
>Random targets
No.
1/10 noserve.

>>34249492
We qual we ACOG's now, I did with irons through and that's was 2012.

>ITT: civvies that have never served in the military unironically thinking that the Marines are a more elite force than Army SOF's because their friend's brother (who also didn't serve) told them so

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>>34247658
>tfw maintainer in the chair force
>tfw when every exercise involving tankers/bombers/heavies etc.. revolves around the premise of getting the planes off the ground before the nukes vaporize the base
>the planes will then conduct their missions till there aren't any tankers to refuel them, they've ran out of payloads, they've ran out of fuel to transfer or their engines just fall off the mounts
>If you aren't lucky enough to be an FCC you basically just sit around waiting to get turned into ash after you launch them out.

Kinda spoopy desu

>>34249522
All USMC recruits have qualified with the TA31F ACOG since 1 January 2007, and it was introduced to boot camp in 2005 with 95% issuance since 2006.

The 500m target is 60"x60", which is 5 feet square. It has a silhouette on it. Hits on the silhouette are worth 2 points, hits outside the silhouette are worth 1. It is theoretically possible to qualify without even touching the 500m target since it only requires 250 out of 350 points.

>>34249609
That's how marksmanship quals were back in the day. No berms, 40 out of 100 pop-up targets are chosen at random. You have just a few seconds to line up your shot and take it and you're only given 40 rounds. Misses counted against you. I got 38/40 and got my expert marksman badge.

>>34249718
That's just wrong. Cite source.

>>34249024
>Marines can put armor on those countries faster given that they carry their shit at sea,

What's so great about the corps is that it's a complete combined arms package that we can just camp off the coast of some assholes shore and leave it there until the dumb fucking politicians make up their mind about what the fuck they want to do.

>>34247218
I dunno marine anon. I can learn to shoot and go for a walk but you're always going to be a useless faggot.

>>34249052
Except with a longer selection process(therefore better privates), SOCOM funding, better missions, 160th SOAR support, and not shit-tier gear.

So I guess you could say muh army rangers are MUCH better.

Also I've seen you crayon eaters, you're on par with airborne infantry at best.

>>34249772

t. fatass virgin who would be laughed at the second he stepped into a recruiters office

>>34249702
You guys are still playing the nuke game?

>>34249723
But the qual standard was pathetic...like 23 of 40 or some shit.

Marines used to have a hard time with Army qual because they weren't used to having to spot the targets popping up, and it fucked up their timing. They did alright at the static KD ranges though, as that's what their corps training revolved around.

>>34249827
Pretty much, I've been hearing that the Air Force got a gorrilion dollars approved to completely revamp the Silo based missile system. New missiles, new facility's, new systems. In all honesty sometimes it feels like everything the air force does that isn't directly related to delivering patriotism of the megaton variety is just a side project or diversion.

>>34249545
He already said he was mentally ill

>>34249859
That's why Marines added table 2. Table 1 is all static. Table 2 involves moving targets as well.as target acquisition.

>>34249780
>you're on par with airborne infantry at best.

Nope.

Dudes that willingly walk out of airplanes while wearing 100lbs of kit for a living are used to danger, injury, and the fear of death, and that gives them an advantage that legs just can't match. Especially the naval "infantry".

>>34249882
>completely revamp the Silo based missile system.

Holy shit.

Hell, the g'damn democratic and republican parties are the greatest danger we face today, and we don't need nukes for those pieces of shit.

>>34249625
Can qualing with ACOGs even really be considered qualing?

>>34249680
You basically described the entire USMC PR campaign

>>34249859
BCT qual at benning was like 21 out of 30 or some nonsense like that. If you get at least 26 you can opt for a marksman course to get a badge even while still in BCT. My SDS just took the few of us who qualified to a separate range while the shit shots worked on their accuracy

>>34246904
heh. this is the military version of pimply weaklings playing D&D while complaining about "who do those chads think they are, getting all the hot sloots and giving us wedgies"

>>34247220
maybe if you spent more time with her and less time on punjabi thatched roofing image boards, you wouldn't have gotten cucked

Can we please stop having the same thread every damn week?

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>>34249723
>>34249859
>>34249895
>Marines have a hard time at Army shooting!
No we dont, our rapid fire course (200 and 300) is to put 10 hits on target in 60 seconds, and is done from the kneeling and sitting position.
Table 2 was added at the same time your Cat 2 was.

>>34249915
The optic doesn't change the need to apply the fundamentals.

Shitty shooters are still shitty shooters, regardless of the optic.

>>34249965
Every week? you mean every day.

>>34249787
>YWN get the highest score on the ASVAB out of your whole school but still send the recruiters packing and have a business worth more then a mill 15 years later.
Why even live? Have fun in the sandbox.

>>34249971
>No we dont

Don't tell that to me, tell that to the Marines that transitioned to my unit, and all the drill sergeants that noticed the same shit.

>>34249915
>use weapon sight that's on all USMC rifles.
>Army gets to choose from 3 different optics.
Do you know how retarded you sound? Our ACOG's are hand me downs from fleet, mine couldn't hold zero worth a fuck, I'd rather shoot irons.

>>34249999
>Drill Sargent.
>Marines transferred to your unit.
What a waste of quads on a stolen valour faggot, if you were in basic you wouldn't see Marines EVER. And if you were in the Fleet (What ever you fags called it.) You'd have RSO's instead.

>>34250014
And the fsp on my M4 was so loose the taper pins fell out regularly despite being in a line unit in the 82nd, and we didn't have the option of any magnified optic at all (cco or eokek) because of "a focus on urban combat" despite primarily being deployed to the Afghan mountains.

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>>34249999
>Marines transferred to your basic unit

>>34249999
Things that didn't happen: The post

>>34250014
I went 4 years in the Army without an ACOG or anything besides a shitty CCO that probably didn't have batteries in it half the time

>>34250057
I had prior Marines in two of the units I served in as a squad leader, and some of our squad leaders were prior drill sergeants, dipshit.

>>34250068
I can agree, ANY warranty, ANY manufacturer, Army/Marine grunts can break. Adamantium body with diamond screen? Broke to shit. Zero point energy batteries? Fuck no theys dead. We had to search FOR SIX HOURS to find a PEQ-15 some asshole lost on a cross country hike THAT WE PUT TWO ZIP TIES ON.

>>34250101
I actually knew a lot of prior Marines when I was in the army. One of them was my roommate.
The only reason he didn't go back in the Marine Corps when he decided to go back in was because the Marines didn't/don't accept prior service. But the Army does.

>>34250072
>>34250080

see >>34250101

Morons.

>>34250089

Congratulations for being a piece of garbage in a garbage unit.

>>34250118
Soldiers gonna soldier.

The army is a bunch of faggots who are afraid of swimming
marine corps is a bunch of faggots who are afraid of heights
air force is a bunch of faggots who are afraid of fighting

>>34250118

This is true. You can make shit Joe resistant, but you can't make it Joe proof.

>>34250124
>calling me garbage
>because my unit was garbage

Not my fault our fucking supply couldn't even get us batteries on a good day. And I was a medic, we got the absolute last choice of rifles and accessories, the actual infantrymen got all the ACOGs.
Even our fucking FO got a rifle with an ACOG but we didn't.

>>34250135

You had to pass a swim test to get into my army unit, faggot.

>>34250148
I didn't swim a single time in 4 years in the army.

>>34250101
>didn't read anons full post
>Marines that joined the Army AFTER their enlistment.
>Squad leaders (Cpl to Sgt) being Drill Sargents WHILE BEING SQUAD LEADERS in a infantry platoon.
This is why the Army is the dumbest branch.

>>34250141
>Not my fault our fucking supply couldn't even get us batteries on a good day.

If you weren't garbage and actually gave a shit, you'd buy your own fucking batteries like any decent medic would.

>>34250141
Can confirm. Non-combat personnel always got the scraps
>>34250165
Um, literally everything is supplied when it comes to equipment.
>buy your own fucking batteries like any decent medic would
what the fuck does that even mean? gtfo with your fake ass

>>34250163
Are you really this fucking stupid?

Let me spell it out for you, sunshine.

1. I was a squad leader.
2. I was assigned new "soldiers"
3. Some of these new "soldiers" were prior marines.
4. They couldn't shoot for shit on a standard marksmanship qual course.
5. Some of the other squad leaders in my platoon and company had performed drill sergeant duty prior to being assigned to the platoon and company.
6. They also noticed that the fucking dumb ass marines couldn't shoot for shit when it came to the standard qual course while being responsible for them during their basic training.

You get it now, dumb fuck?

>>34250160
My whole division needed to do yearly drownproofing (basic swimming) and overturned vehicle evac (dunk tank) but didn't really do any actual swim training.

>>34250165
I bought my own personal aid bag because the issued ones are fucking trash. News flash: Those bags aren't cheap!
Medics buy enough shit out of pocket for you whiny baby infantrymen. Supply has one job and most days they can't do it at all.

>>34250204
>Um, literally everything is supplied when it comes to equipment.

Bullshit. It's SUPPOSED to be supplied, but due to shitty budgets, or shitty supply pukes, that's not the case in a lot of units, including yours by your own admission, dipshit. I bet you didn't even get a compass or a proper weapons cleaning kit issued to you either, did you?

Regardless, you could have bought batteries at wal-mart for your optic, and that's exactly what people do that actually give a fuck about their job when they know they have a shitty supply chain.

>>34250309
>Those bags aren't cheap!

Batteris are.

>>34246931

>mom's

Yep, you're a Marine alright.

>>34249882
>Tfw you're on the plain to Lackland and you know you booked Missile and Space systems. Feels good desu

>>34250213
>Marines
>can't shoot for shit
>Army
>fails easier qual
Not that anon but HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!

>>34249585
I can put 10 rounds in 12 inches at 200m with a .22

I can put 10 rounds in a 26 inch at 300 yards with a 150 year old black powder single shot cartridge rifle in in a minute.

I can put 10 shots on 20x40 inches with a muzzleloader @ 500M

If these are the US forces standards with modern weapons then they are not very high

I just remembered the US is 5.56mm, carry on.
If this is the standard for US forces then it is not very high.

>>34250661

I never said the army isn't filled with a bunch of pogue ass, non-shooting motherfuckers, now did I sunshine?

Just look at the jackass army spc-4 medic a few posts up bragging about not even having a battery in his optic half the time of the 4 years he was assigned the weapon. That's the kind of shit you'll find in every support job and unit in the army, and the army is mostly support jobs, which means they can't shoot for shit, just like a lot of the marine fuckheads that re-enlist army.

I was shooting expert with irons and I was in the damned national guard.

Seriously though, so many guys had so much trouble on rifle qualification it blew my fucking mind. The shit isn't that hard.

>>34250954
>10 rounds in 12 inches at 200m with a .22

Is that supposed to impress us? 6 MOA? Really? That fucking sucks, dude.

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>>34246904
>starts thread to bash Mareens
>Army fags show up
>Army fags get rekt
>Army pulling damage control
10/10 thread.

>>34251008
No it's not, assuming you didn't get a fucked up rifle.

There are a lot of fucked up rifles.
>shot out barrels (we had several that were so excessively headspaced they simply would not fire, and another rifle that you literally could not see rifling in)
>bent/broken/missing front sights
>bent/broken/loose FSP's
>bent or improperly installed barrels (about 10% of our rifles were un-zeroable because you couldn't crank the windage far enough to even be on paper at 25m)
>damaged or out of spec pic rails (always always always on Colt rifles, never once had a problem with an FN rifle)
>poorly tensioned M203 handguards (we had one rifle that would shoot 11" high when rested on a sandbag but the second you put your hand under the 203 it shot to zero)
>completely destroyed crowns from improper or excessive cleaning, especially with boresnakes

In this the Marines have an advantage in that they have a fair number of armorers and the armorers are actually allowed to work on the rifles. Literally every parts replacement or serious maintenance issue in the Army has to be done by a civilian contractor, which can take months/years to complete and frequently requires shipping the entire rifle halfway across the country multiple times. An Army unit will have 1 armorer and 1 backup armorer per company and they're literally just cage bitches.

>>34247272
The USMC also relies on the USN for its medical, dental, and judge advocate corps.

>>34246904
>Posts thread calling marines insufferable.
>Image with the OP is typical babby shit I'd expect from someone in the Army.

Nice.

Really making a case bro.

>>34251055

I suppose that fucked up rifles could account for some of it, but in my unit our rifles and equipment were in good repair.

My unit was fresh back from an Iraq deployment and on the short list for a tour in Afghanistan. We were getting that good stuff.

>Be Marines
>Be the premier amphibious assault force in the US military
>Don't participate in the largest amphibious assault in history.

>>34251011

No it is not impressive. That's my point simpleton.

>>34251169

Well they were not around for the invasion of Egypt or cartage

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>>34249746
http://www.marines.mil/Portals/59/MCO%203574.2K.pdf

Some interesting exerpts:
>a. If there are insufficient hits and three or more shot holes are
touching, and there are no excessive hits on the two targets to the left and
right, the shooter is given the value of the three touching shot holes for
the missing shot(s).
If a target doesn't go down in the Army, it is not scored. Even if literally everyone agrees the target was hit, or if large sections of the target are missing material (which happens frequently). There is no appeals process for damaged/defective target stands. Same is true if targets do not "pop up" like they're supposed to or are obstructed by foliage or terrain (something that also happens frequently) unless the tower agrees to an alibi fire (which it isn't required to under any circumstances and there's no appeals process for that either).
>c. If the target has 9 hits all in the "aiming black" and there are no
excessive hits on the two targets to the left and right, the shooter will
receive the maximum score for that stage of fire.
You're basically given a bonus hit for being decent
>7. Targets. On all evaluation days, new target faces are required on all
targets being fired upon for evaluation.
No such rule exists in the Army, it's common for for-record qualifications to be shot on targets you can clearly see daylight through they're so shot up.

Also, I was either wrong or out of date on the scoring of the 500m target (B-MOD). Pic related is current as of 2016, which is the most recent officially published regulation I could find.

>>34251169
>Largest amphibious landing in history.
>Using equipment and tactics pioneered and perfected by the Marine Corps.
Nice try.

>>34251131
We deployed to both Iraq and Afghanistan multiple times with these fucked up rifles.

Again, line unit infantry in the 82nd. 06-07, 08-09, and 09-10.

>>34251218

Well shit man. I guess the PA National Guard just has a better weapons maintenance program.

>>34249718
used irons in boot camp in 2009. Stop making shit up.

>>34251214

>Using equipment and tactics pioneered and perfected by the Marine Corps.

Because amphibious operations in the Mediterranean didn't happen and there were no Army infantry divisions performing amphibious operations in the Pacific.

Either way, Marines were not at the largest amphibious assault in the history of the planet. Fuckin coast guard made it, but not the Marin Crops

>>34251351
You mean the branch that was 1/16 the size of the Army and already engaged in the Pacific.

>Wasn't there for Dday wah

How much you bitches need your hand held? It had to be the Army simply for logistics.

>>34251395

I mean the branch that needed the Army to hold it's hand through the Pacific campaign, but somehow today pretends they did it all alone, yeah.

See, the Army does not need it's hand held, that is why there was not a Marine present at Normandy.

Meanwhile you needed the Army and two nuclear bombs to to help you defeat an enemy with a WWI tier army.

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>>34246904
USMC #1

>Ain't Ready to be Marines Yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr2B_Gay2f0

>>34251441
Again, logistics. Marines didn't have the manpower. Want Marines there, go back in time and make the branch larger.

And no one really thinks that they did it alone. They just did all the heavy lifting and fought the hard battles. Army contributed very little except for, what do you know, logistics. They also mostly took back lands we lost that weren't nearly as fortified or defended. Only major contribution was matching the Marines at Okinawa with 2 divisions of Infantry.

>>34251485

Yes, I agree, you needed your handheld through it. Could not support yourselves. Glad we sorted that out.

>>34251485
A significantly smaller contingent of Army took more ground with fewer casualties (both in total and by percent) at Peleileu than the Marines. In fact they outright saved Chesty Puller's ass after he got his command element cut off and surrounded on open ground while actively being shelled through incompetence and willfully ignoring a direct order.

>>34251513
from what I heard, Puller and his marines just fought along with the Army.

Any source on your argument?

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>>34251485

>Army did nothing major aside from help out at Okinawa
>Army was logistics and bullshit ops
>Marines all heavy lifting

I'm looking hard trying to find the Marine contribution to the Philippines Campaign.

>>34246940
Why must you always ALWAYS abuse that guys picture when he has such a fucking tragic story behind his weight. It was one guy. His whole squad was killed. He got a one in a million waiver. And every LOLARMYFAT and the same old pictures posted AGAIN.

>>34251558
Reread the post shit for brains.

>Took back what we lost

That's called the Philippines.

>>34251586

You also specified "land we lost" as not being well fortified or defended.

430,000 Japanese were killed during that campaign, and over 16,000 American soldiers.

As for other campaigns like New Guinea, etc, you are confusing good tactics for "poorly defended" Just because the Marines preferred to conduct head-on attacks against heavily fortified positions while the Army preferred to not play WWI every time attacked. That is why they had such a more impressive Kill to Death ratio.

>>34251351
>>34251441
>>34251629
>Marines weren't in Euro-
https://youtu.be/XUKfR3aHPic

>>34251214
>Using equipment and tactics pioneered and perfected by the Marine Corps
>Not like they couldn't get the Navy to build them a proper landing craft
>Definitely didn't turn to former Lieutenant in the Army National Guard
>No way did they approve the design before said Lieutenant figured out he should put a ramp on the thing

Kek, sure. The real reason the muhreens are so fanatical is because they were consistently on the chopping block up until the 20s. So far they are the only ones that ever fought for or received a minimum force requirement written into law. They are America's flashy, loud, expensive, extraneous and completely pointless cock.

>>34246904
there are a lot of really asshurt army guys on this board. Seriously, every other week theres a thread where someone bitches about the marines.

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>>34251766
>cock
>not essential
Goddamn it have trannies infested the Army to such a degree?!?
>Congressional mandate
Duh, the USMC was founded BY Congress, the Army was to be DISBANDED as per the wishes of Congress after the Revolutionary War, but the shitshow that was the war of 1812 the Army had to be reformed. The Army was incompetent as FUCK, See the Philippines and Korea.

>>34249772
What do you have against gay people? I'd rather work with a gay than a fatty any day of the week.

>>34251809
hownew.ru

>>34251809
>newfag
Fattys can be fixed, fags can only be burnt.

>>34251809
>What do you have against gay people?

AIDS....

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mental illness caused by their DI

>>34249452
>MUHREEENS

kys faggot.

>>34249419
stop perpetuating stupid fucking lies you gof damn nigger.

>>34251791
I'm sorry, I forgot I was talking to muhreens. Extraneous means superfluous which means redundant which means we already have something that does that.
>Duh, the USMC was founded BY Congress
Are you implying the US Army sprang out of George Washington's ass?
>the Army was to be DISBANDED
Until Congress realized that was a stupid idea, meanwhile the USMC was disbanded as it served no function.
>The Army was incompetent as FUCK, See the Philippines and Korea.
Glasshouses my friend, the Marine Corps isn't some perfect godlike entity despite what your DI said. Also that is some far back reaching, especially consider the incompetence the Marine Corps showed in Iraq and Afghanistan that took place this century.

>>34251982
That's a lot of words to not really say anything.

>>34251572
Tell me the story then. I've never heard it.

>>34251993
This is some next level butthurt.

Once again Muhreenfags living up to their stereotypes.

>>34251993
I said plenty, there just isn't an argument that validates the existence of the Marine Corps anymore.

>>34249452
There are alot of reasons for this - Mech and Armored Cav are pretty fucking maintenance intensive - that maintenance cuts into training time, and when they train they don't often do light infantry shit either. Same goes for Stryker (motorized) guys
For example in a light unit a scout platoon is usually dismounted, in a mech unit it's heavy (M3's) or Motorized.

Look at it in a better light, when a Brad breaks track you have to take a bunch of guys out of training for a day to repair it.

>>34249780
Airborne Infantry is absolutely fucking batshit nuts tier, to the point that it does the Marines a disservice to compare. Airborne are the actual mad fucking dogs, it's a cult of paranoia. Their entire job is to jump behind enemy lines, and every time they've do so they've wasted everything that moves, rape and kill a bunch of people, kill POW's.
There is a reason that the .mil is hesitant to deploy airborne forces over Marines and SF/SOF. Airborne troops can't be peacekeepers

>>34247130
How do you keep military doctors employed when they can get paid much better on the outside?

>>34250120
>Marines don't accept prior service

I thought they did but just refused to retain your rank (if you were an E5 prior now your back to a scrub E2).
I actually think this is kind of silly and prevents, say SOF/SF guys from going Force Recon.
It also fucks the marines in a draft situation - the army has a larger pool of prior service Artillerymen, Patriot/radar operators, intel, tankers, helicopter pilots, maintenance personnel, etc both in and out of IRR.
If a draft happens National guard gets activated, than IRR, and then non-IRR prior service.
All those prior service guys who will get drafted because of their technical expertise will do everything in their power to end back up in the Army instead of getting picked up by the USMC and slammed back down to private.
And it will be even worse for the Corps because the army facilities they use to train tankers, ADA, maintenance, etc guys will be stretched to the limit catering to army draftees.

The Corps isn't like the army, it can only pull from a small force of Marine reservists to fill in for casualties, the army can literally pull guys from National Guard and Reserve units and plop them in to replace casualties.

Another downside the USMC has is prior service Marines can't easily get back in to the Corps or Marine Reserve - so they end up in the Army, or if they want to be part time, the National Guard, and Army Reserve - which takes them out of the USMC's draft pool.

>>34247272
Everyone that should be an officer gets stuck as a lance corporal for 3 years, gets tired of that, becomes an alcoholic, then EAS bye bye.
Corps does, as someone else said, rely on NCOs a lot more heavily for the same duties officers provide.

>>34251055
>Was in a national guard light infantry unit
>Never ever had these problems
>M4's were only a few years old and only saw one deployment at best
>Had brand new M16A4's that never left rack
>The post had an attached full time active duty guard maintenance section - including a small arms repair shop
>Any problems with small arms were repaired almost immediately

>>34246904
Because every muhrine on one of two sides to the spectrum: an edgy kid with social problems from high school that took JROTC way too seriously or a jockey faggot who wanted to stay a douche after they grew up. The only ones that seem to come out okay are the ones that are too cocky and get schooled by reality. Some of the most humble people I've met are the marines with PTSD at the VA hospital I help at.
A bunch of muhrines are a bunch of entitled cunts that think the world owes them something and they pitch the loudest bitch fits, so they get heard the most.

>>34246958
>>34246966
>>34246975
More like marine mammals, amirite?

>>34246993
Coast guard isn't mentioned.
Are they really like MSF?
Also are they anti fat?

It's all the crayons.

>>34246931
don't diddle kids crayon eater
it's bad

>>34248716
This one is nice

You mean to say that the memes about Infantry being dumbfucks and motards, the senior NCOs handing out NJPs like it's Halloween, and the Officers who will somehow lose shit during an excercise are all true?

>>34249507
>40 random targets
nothing random about it. the first 20 you shot from supported were each target presented twice. when you shot unsupported it was every target presented twice again. Tha's why if you miss every 300m target but still hit every other target you still get expert.

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>>34252099
>airborne infantry


You misspelled "Rangers". The 82nd is like the premier peace keeping fob force right now. Durring the surge, sure. 2017, the only bat shit crazy blood thursday paratroopers out here are the boys driving around syria in unmarked Strykers flying huge American flags off the top.


Needless to say the army got cucked by hazing laws in a way that Rangers and 0300s did not.

>>34249419
Yeah, the army quals on electronically operated and scored e type silhouettes. The fifty meter targets stay up for 1-2 seconds. Yeah, we don't qualify at your ranges but man, we are way fucking faster than you.

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>Army fags being this delusional about how bad they suck
https://www.armytimes.com/story/military/careers/army/2016/03/15/army-tackles-marksmanship-shortfalls-new-training-course/81545606/
>Infantry unit.
>only %53 can even make marksman
KEK.

>>34255881
>fast
>MISS, MISS, MISS.
>USMC
>HIT......HIT.....HIT....
In combat the USMC came under investigation due to boom headshots, NCIS thought we were executing insurgents, while the Army blamed the M855 for "poor accuracy" and "poor stopping power" turns out the Army was just missing.

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most americans are completely insufferable so of course marines and army people would be completely insufferable. marines seem worse, though, probably because of a lot of unwarranted self-importance instilled in boot camp for being LE WARFIGHTERZ while ignoring that the army does identical work and that no one branch can really do much of anything without tons of support from not just the other branches, but also from DEM FILFY POGUES who keep them supplied and paid on time

ive met some us navy people and they werent insufferable though, but i chalk it up to them travelling a lot and meeting people of different cultures and subsequently chilling the fuck out once they see that not everyone in the world is out to get them

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>>34247717

>>34247130
The Army is already really under strength in a lot of MOS. They can't afford to kick a ton of people out at once unless they do something useless like Infantry. That's why the Marines can get away with having strict standards. For every fat body retard they turn away there's ten average bodied retards lined up to DIE FOR MUH HONOR AND CUNTRY

People with low iq are tend to be pretty insufferable, if you want my advice be in the army for 6 years then buy a cheap house to renovate then fly fish and drink the days away.

>Want to be an officer in the US military
>Deciding between US Airborne and getting into Ranger school or going for USMC Rifleman
Pros and cons for both?

>>34256921
Army infantry, also get into fly fishing.

>>34256921
>
Are you fucking retarded? You sound like you are 12.

>>34256932
Why is it alway 12 year old autistic mentallity retards and stronk women who are officers?

>>34256962
It takes a special kind of autism to think you're fat lazy ass is any better then the infantry cunts who just want a paycheck. People who join besides money or patriotism are absolute cancer.

>>34256989
>It takes a special kind of autism to think you're fat lazy ass is any better then the infantry cunts who just want a paycheck. People who join besides money or patriotism are absolute cancer.

This desu, You either join because you need a job and want steady employment, Love your country,Or want the experince to travel and do things you wouldnt be qualified to do in the civilian sector

>>34249052
Reminder that every time the Rangers do joint shit with Marines the jarheads get thoroughly stomped, even when they're the numerically superior force.

>>34252099
You're confusing airborne with the 7th Rangers.

>>34246904

>Reminder that every time the Rangers do joint shit with 'anyone', 'anyone' gets thoroughly stomped, even when they're the numerically superior force.


Ftfy

>>34247453
that pic is cute desu

>>34250954
>When zeroed for 100 yd (91 m), the arc-trajectory of the standard high-velocity .22 LR with a 40-gr bullet has a 2.7-inch (69 mm) rise at 50 yd (46 m), and a 10.8-inch (27 cm) drop at 150 yd (140 m).

>>34247070
>It pissed me off and it's one of the reasons I decided to get out when I did.
stay mad anon...it means nothing to anyone except you.

>>34257746
Not op but you're wrong. That's why most people leave. The army is so soft now, why do you think rangers are the last beacon of hard dick old school infantryman left?

>>34252099
There was one instance of anyone airdropping into Iraq....and it wasn't even an airborne unit. Airborne ain't shit anymore. As far as infantry goes Cav gets shit done right after the Rangers. Airborne show up to get their participation trophies these days.

>>34257186
>>34257256
>source: my ass
>Grenada
Rangers lose nearly half of their force due to accident
>Panama
Rangers lose nearly a third to jump injury
>Somalia
Rangers get BTFO so hard we pull out.

>>34257845
>and it wasn't even an airborne unit
If you don't know what the fuck you're talking about then don't say anything.
It was the 173rd Airborne Brigade that made the jump, you fucking idiot.

Also, there were several jumps by French paratroopers during their intervention in Mali in 2013, a huge jump too.


I know you're a troll, but if you're going to troll then try harder.

>>34257914
>granada
No where near 50% casualty rate, not even close, all accidents caused by aircraft.
>Panama
No where near 33% casualty rate, dirty ass combat jump at 500ft altatude.
>Somalia
Btfo is a strong term for dudes who went up against a city of nigs on PCP and lived.


Should we look at casualty rates for muh corps or 82nd? did you know 82nd has an sop of 80% casualties on airfield seizure=acceptable losses? why dont you tell us about the high speed straight up the middle battle drill for the muhreen core

>>34249971
>ten hits in sixty seconds.
>Up to six seconds per hit.

Nigga, the furthest target on an army qual range doesn't even stay up for six seconds.

>>34250320
So de facto Fed has never supplied the optic batteries to most of soldiers?
I though US has top tier logistics and mulitary supply chain...

why is Marine A cult?

>>34259770
>mulitary
Military

>>34259775
I'd tell you, but I'd have to sacrifice you to chesty pullers ghost.

>>34259718
>posts Army TM
>bBut...
REKT

>>34251054
it's like watching a kid hit himself with both of his own arms

Army Airborne > Marines

>>34247218
>I'd rather be gay than be fat
I suggest you don't be any of them.

>>34251994
It's pretty much what was said. All that soldier's squad got killed downrange. He was sole survivor of the ambush. He got involuntarily separated, had major PTSD, stress-ate and couldn't handle living anymore. Begged to reenlist so he could get revenge for his battles, miracles happened, he got the waivers out of pity and was sent back to his old Company. Every picture of a super-sized soldier in the sandbox you see was him.

>>34246904
When your and economically dependent on the leftovers from the Army and Airforce. You tend to earn the ability to shitpost on everything and anyone.

>>34246966
post more of this goddess

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>>34257914
>Somalia
Rangers got blown the fuck out so badly that it made Clinton bury his head in the sand pretend there wasn't an actual genocide in Rwanda occurring.

All this leaf needed was 2000 trained men permission to shoot and he could have saved millions from the day of machete

>>34249106
Don't the 82nd and 173rd go to Afghanistan and Iraq?

>>34249464
>chief
Holy shit I've never seen this level of smugness in a military thread before. Congrats on being the most self-assured jackass I've seen on here.

>>34261260
>Begged to reenlist so he could get revenge for his battles
This is pathetic.

>>34261371
Yeah and he just kept the weight on, makes me wonder who's dick got sucked to keep him in.

>>34261614
Seriously, if nothing else he sounds like an all around hazard.

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>>34246940
>>34246958
>>34246966
>>34246975
How is this allowed?

>>34248692
Friendly reminder that this camo got picked over multicam

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>>34248680
Three weeks into the invasion of Iraq, Coalition Forces Land Component Command elements, led by the U.S. Army 3rd Infantry Division moved into Baghdad.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(2003)
I mean it wasn't Rangers but it was still Army Infantry

>>34260967
Lulz. I don't think so. Jumping from a plane sounds fun. You're forgetting the other 99.9% of the job.

Army Twat.

>>34248692
Huh? Why would you post a picture of a couch?

>>34248924
Dis nigga knows what's up

>>34247116
> 50% of country is obese (30% bf+)
> largest brach of its military has obesity problem

yeah no shit, warrior

>>34256266
To score in what is generally considered normal at least infantry wise its hitting 36+ of the 40 targets. That's 4 misses max.
>>34249625
I qualified with an Aim Point in 2016
and it looks like ill do the same this year.
>>34249752
That has never happened though.

A certain type of person joins the marines, it doesn't make them that way.

>>34262299
Yes. The point of that entire post is Army Infantry aren't shooting that well.

>>34249207
Army 11b is 9 weeks basic, 2-3 weeks OSUT.

19D is 16 and Is basically the real infantry OSUT in terms of being literally just the long version of the same AIT with a 16mile ruck box to check instead of 12.

Either way marines need that extra time for psychological reasons and to ensure as much humanity and rational thought is thrown away as the soul begins to decay
Army gives you just enough time to keep part of your soul and hobbies and such. Every marine I know is a dudebro robot who has a work mode, and a [fake human perdonality] mode, theyre not the people they were before

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Marines are the only branch without representation in JSOC lel

Only branch to get kicked out of Afghanistan lel

>>34262373
The scary part is when someone is so absolutely submerged in the koolaid that they can't even express negative emotions about doing garrison bitch work all day.

When you see someone who genuinely enjoys life in the military and also takes their job super seriously thats a massive red flag, dude is mere shreds of sanity away from busting through a gate on post and going on a killing spree

>>34262373
Pathetic. You sound like someone who hasn't ever done anything.

>>34257799
>it means nothing to anyone except you.
...and a "few" folks on /k/.
is that now more acceptable?

>>34249507

>This guy doesn't know that the first target is always 25m left

>>34262373
Dude, what? 11B do a longer final Ruck than we did, ours is only a 20k versus their 30k. 19D school is longer because we have a lot more weapons, vehicles, and skillsets to cover.

>>34257640
No it's not faggot.

>>34249702
Are you guys still able to get all your bombers off the ground from cold starts before the nukes land? Does it not take ages to get the nuclear weapons out of their safes and loaded to the planes? This stuff really interests me

>>34246904
Eh, most pogs are not gonna be anywhere near combat so who cares if some are fat. An infantryman needs to be fit, an accountant not so much. Why do people give such a shit that their cooks and barbers pretend to be combat ready?

>>34264381
Because muh tradition and muh riflemen first

>>34251462
>most stressful US Marine test
How is this any different from a sinking boat test?

I've been doing sinking boat tests when I was fucking 14 and you are telling me it's the worst marines have to offer? Lmao, what a fucking joke.

>>34264739
He was talking about Marines you retarded sack of shit. Go away and stop posting.

>What the Marines are.

A self sustained ground fighting force capable of expeditionary operations. In an area in which air superiority is already established they care capable of conducting reconnaissance and applying artillery, CAS, and infantry maneuver and fire to rapidly take positions through superior maneuver and firepower. This is predicated upon having average conventional infantrymen who are superior fighting men by measure of physical training and toughness as well as a greater overall espirit de corps in their line infantry units.

>What the Marines are not.

A branch solely consisting of elite special operators capable of kicking everyone's asses by themselves and winning the war who will totally arrive the day after they are sent.

>Summary

After air superiority is established by the Air Force and the Navy and SOF elements have already prepped the area by gathering intel and targeting enemy supply chains and hard targets the Marines are a highly efficient mop up force that can essentially be wound up and turned loose on the remaining conventional forces in the area, needing only resupply and the maintenance of air superiority as well as the occasional bombing of hard targets by non-integrated aircraft.

The Air Force and the Navy along with SOF elements project power.
The Marines along with the Army consolidate ground.
The Army holds it with some assistance from the Marines.
The Marines have their niche.

>>34251572
>>34261260
That's steamy bullshit and we both know it. The Army doesn't give out feels waivers to *mentally ill* liabilities and let them reenlist. They don't give a shit.

>>34264671
I don't know? About being strapped down, turned upside down, and then having to swim out of a dark compartment?

>>34265529
That's what I was thinking.
That story is a complete lie, fabricated by civilians.

>>34262299
>4 misses
So that's why you don't even need to hit the 300M ONCE to make expert right?

>>34256299
Most Navy people I know just want to drink and have a good time. Sometimes the ship shoots at something but it's a pretty impersonal job as far a combat goes, so it ends up with a lot of the same mindset as the Air Force. Until shit really hits the fan and we end up facing another competent force that could pose a threat to the ships.

>>34247218
How do you be gay and fat i must ask

>>34265698
For me I always shoot 38 plus and my only misses are the 150m kneeling if at all. The rifles are zeroed to 300m so hitting the 300 is easy.
>>34262306
Most infantry men i know shoot expert or close too.

>>34247272
If you're smart enough to be an officer, you're usually smart enough not to be in the marines is my guess.

>>34264994

Dis

Who fucking cares? And why is it always Army brats who make these pointless threads just to pick fights?

We all eat a different part of the shit sandwich, faggot.

The United States Marine Corps has a colorful history with many unique stories set in all parts of the world. Recruits are taught about their heritage throughout the 13 weeks they spend in bootcamp. Whether it's a daring battle, or a tale of one of the many heroes that held the title "Marine", recruits are constantly reminded that they are training to become a part of that legacy. Truly, a Marine leaves bootcamp with an "esprit de corps" that is unlike any other organization.

A Marine is proud.

A soldier is not.

That's your difference.

>>34259770
Top tier doesn't mean it's still not terrible. It means that other manage to be even worse

>>34267138
I think the way they all make this huge fucking deal about "I'm a marine, not a soldier!" is probably one of the most cringy things I've ever heard out of the marines. You are in an army, maybe not The Army, but an army. An army has soldiers. The marines is not some magical other entity that defies categorization, or somehow breaks that terms of what it is to be an army. You're a soldier, get the fuck over it.

>>34267349
Sounds like the Army has a lack of pride to me.

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>>34249882
Isn't the reason why we use the 70s equipment is no one can hack it

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>>34251214
>pioneered and perfected by the marine corps
Rome and several other nations would disagree

>>34267807
>implying im in the army
Just a filthy civvie here, which I'm sure is worse

>>34267138
You're not wrong about soldiers not being proud. Soldiers don't give a shit about being soldiers. Most are niggers who joined for a Camaro.

>>34262225
>It was all army
>The invasion of Baghdad was led by the United States Army's 3rd Infantry Division and the United States Marine Corps' 1st Marine Division
>Search for Hussein
>The Americans had meanwhile started receiving rumors that Saddam was in Al A'Zamiyah and at dawn on April 10, they dispatched three companies of U.S. Marines to capture him. The marines fought a fierce four-hour battle at a Baghdad mosque where senior Iraqi leaders had been thought to be holed up,
yes I can see what you mean by all army

>>34249043
I came here to post this.

>>34271204
The US Army 3rd Infantry Division was the main force during the initial invasion and taking Baghdad.
That's fact.