Newish shield, couple hundred rounds. Belongs to friend.

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>>34237026

>>34237026
Uh...what?

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>>34237026
I can't see any polygon shape to the opening either like with hk polygonal

>>34237026
>>34237031
Holy shit, OP. SEND IT BACK

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>>34237036
Friend bought a shield 9mm new and only has a few boxes of ammo through it.

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hahahaha, post groups

>>34237044
So I'm correct this is fucked up?

>>34237056
the the 9mm shield your friend bought stop that smoothbore blowgun?

>>34237068
????

>>34237058
We're not at the range and I haven't shot it. He brought it over and I looked down the barrel.

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>>34237026
>you just build an AOW
seems like your friend fucked up bad

>>34237058
this. so much this

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>>34237075
well its properly fucked my dude. Looks like S&W forgot to rifle that barrel. Email them and get it sorted out.

S&W has great CS so it will be easy peasy

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>>34237075

>>34237056
These boxes of ammo didn't happen to have all-lead bullets, did they?

>>34237094
Thanks

>>34237122
Hide your dog OP

>>34237122
>>34237141
I don't get it.

>>34237100
>just normal target ammo. Yeah I guess, just normal
I think it was fmj

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>>34237026
>>34237031
>>34237043
>>34237056

OH SHIT. I didn't know they were having problems with their pistol barrels too!

Some guy came into my LGS with an M&P 15 Sport II he just bought. He said it was key holing like crazy and when he went to clean it he didn't see any rifling. My buddy at the store took a look and... yup, Smith and Wesson sent out a smooth bore AR barrel.

How the fuck do they let shit like that slip?

how much lead could you fit into a 9 or 5.56 mm round ?

>>34237031
Get rifled ammo, op. Recut the barrel with ammo.

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>>34237026
tfw your 9mm becomes a musket

>>34237026
>literally bought a controlled firearm without paying the fees.
You have literally only one choice, return it and get a signed document acknowledging that you returned it.

>>34237252
I'd call customer service immediately. Let them know what's up. We dont want the ATF showing up.

I guess from now on I'll be demanding a field strip of my guns before I do any paperwork...

>>34237283
>We dont want the ATF showing up.
Fuck that OP needs to wash his hands of the situation as fast as possible. It should be documented that he returned a malfunctioning firearm.
This is self-lawyer 101.

>>34237252
>>34237283
Wouldn't the fact that the dealer presumably sold it to him as a pistol (misrepresented the item) and neither party was aware of the defect more or less get him off the hook provided he had any lawyer whatsoever?

>>34237084
>>34237122
>>34237141
>>34237252
Why would the rifling matter? It's a handgun.

>>34237303
>more or less get him off the hook provided he had any lawyer whatsoever?
Probably until he posted it about it on a public forum before returning it.

inb4 someone calls me a loon or something, always cover your tracks and absolve yourself of the situation.
>>34237311
Retarded gun laws makes that an "any other weapon"
http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=137698

>>34237302
Yeah, start by contacting the manufacturer. Let them know that the firearm is malfunctioning or was incorrectly produced. They should provide a service to fix that, meaning, taking the gun back to the factory and repairing it.

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>>34237311
Accuracy and velocity reasons. It would also matter because this is a massive fuck up from the company, assuming this is a factory barrel.

>>34237369
Aside from then obvious 10 years if ATF finds out.
"Any other weapon" is a "catch-all" category. An AOW as defined as "any weapon or device capable of being concealed on the person from which a shot can be discharged through the energy of an explosive," other than a handgun with a rifled barrel".[3]

>>34237311
>It's a handgun.
Not right now it's not.

The ATF isn't gonna kick your door in over something like this. They will go after the manufacturer if anybody, and even then probably just make them do a recall

>>34237340
Thanks
I'm going to try lead solvent and see what it does. Have to go buy some but then it's up to him.

>>34237382
Yep this is how people get Ruby Ridge'd

>>34237340
>rugerforums
>Short-barrelled shotguns aren't worth much for the intended purpose of a shotgun---taking game while following game laws. Nor are they suitable for home defense.

Jesus christ Bill get back in your grave.

All of you guys are fucking retards. OP will be fine.

>>34237409
>>34237383
>>34237382
>>34237340
>>34237302
>>34237283
>>34237252
>>34237141
>>34237122
retards
>>34237420
>>34237394
this

>>34237405
Don't touch it. Don't try to "fix it". The manufacturer could determine that what you're doing ruined the barrel, and then it's not their problem. Don't even put it back together. Put it in the box it came in, and contact the manufacturer.

Liability laws in the US are not designed to help the manufacturer, so they'll use anything and everything they can to try to shift blame.

>>34237416
Ian and Karl did a video about this topic.

>>34237432
Retard

>>34237447
Hypothetically, could 300 rounds produce enough fouling to hide the rifling?

>>34237432
Ah yes, trying to help out OP not get Ruby Ridge'd makes us retards.

>>34237450
Indeed they have, but that's not the point.

>tfw own a Shield but a godawful shot with it
>see this thread
>hope for some redemption and reason for my shittiness
>inspect barrel
>rifled
dammit

>>34237466
I doubt it, but that doesn't mean they won't try to use that as a defense.

(I work for a company that gets lots of liability claims, most are bullshit, and we have gotten out of many lawsuits by exploiting stuff very similarly.)

>>34237480
It's a factual statement whether you like it or not, a sbs is a toy more then a tool and there's nothing wrong with that.

>>34237467
The ATF didn't ask OP to smoothbore his barrel and then threaten him and his family so that he'd rat on people that hadn't actually done anything illegal.

>>34237447
If you were somehow running .40 unjacketed ball through it, maybe. It still wouldn't get it to a mirror sheen like it is.

>>34237498
There's nothing wrong with protecting yourself legally.

>>34237498
Which is exactly why he should contact the manufacturer, they have warranties for shit like this.

If he willingly keeps it, then that could be a legal issue.

>>34237492
I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm saying that it's not the point. I feel like you're taking this far too seriously man.

>>34237056
>>34237056
clean it, the copper and lead covered the rifling

>>34237528
>I feel like you're taking this far too seriously man.
It's better to take the steps to clear yourself as soon as possible then to sit around and shitpost on /k/.

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>>34237026
Either one of three things happened.

1. Genuine defect from the factory
2. Your friend killed someone, took a wire brush to the inside of the barrel to throw off any potential ballistic fingerprinting, then gave it to you.
3. Your friend is an OCD idiot, and scrubbed the everloving shit out of the barrel with some sort of steel brush to clean it until the rifling was gone

Either way, mfw.

>>34237534
That doesn't look like it was rifled in the first place. Cleaning it isn't going to do anything.

Called sw, they'll look at it and see if it's defective then maybe fix it. Will a new barrel even properly fit?

>>34237595
It should, but you'll probably have to send them the whole gun either way. They will give you a new one if there are any other issues

Do they make 9mm ratshot?

OP sent it back to S&W and tell them to put a full choke on it.

>>34237595
>Will a new barrel even properly fit?
We've had mass production and interchangeable parts for centuries now my friend.

>>34237122
Faggot

>>34237570
2 and 3 are wrong and you'd know better if you lurked more. No amount of bore brush scrubbing will remove rifling cuts from a correctly manufactured rifled barrel, handgun or otherwise.

the rifling on a new makarov barrel is really shallow. but this is just a smoothbore.

Is there a way to fuck over sw with either the consumer protection agency or ATF?

>>34237895
Yes by reporting this to the ATF first.

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>>34237058
About 10 yards, 10 shots Glock, 6 with Shield.

>>34237061
Yes, looks like one slipped through QC with a barrel that hadn't been rifled yet. How was the accuracy?

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>>34238248
After solvent

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>>34238353
You can see nitride

>>34238223
>>34238248
7 to 10 yards, I'm just guessing.

>>34237903
Unless someone is selling 9mm shot shells, I don't think the $200 tax applies.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-guide-identification-firearms-section-8

>>34238773
Boy do i have the thing for you
https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/cci-shotshell-9mm-luger-12-shot-53-grain-10-rounds?a=1588101

>>34237450
They did a video on PGO shotguns

>>34237570
You have no fucking ides what you're talking about

>>34238353
>>34238373
Yea its dickered

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>>34238223
Is it just me or does the shield look like it's keyholing on a couple of those impact holes?

>>34238353
Shields have standard rifling grooves, not polygonal rifling, so that barrel is straight goofed. Tell you friend to call S&W and take it back to the LGS if he bought it local.

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A supposedly new unissued east German makarov barrel.

>>34239083
Looks fine

>>34238773
No joke, there's shotshell for basically any caliber. It's usually just ratshot though.

>>34238897
Definitely some key holing there and I'm not such a bad shot as to miss the paper with half the rounds unless of course they're tumbling.

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I look forward to posting this image for years to come.

>>34239719
Saved.
>FN squishy squishy
>Glock IED
>HK butthurt poorfags
>SIG rust
>CZ not having a finish on the inside
>SW smoothbore AOW
Sure to derail any thread of substance 100%.

>>34237311
It's basically now a shotgun. A shotgun must have a barrel length of at lest 16 (or 18) inches. Since that barrel is shorter than that, it's now a short barrel shotgun, which you need a license for.

>>34237026
So this is why I keep seeing S&W rebate deals

>>34237450
That was about the Mossberg shockwave or whatever which is not a SBS. You can have a SBS with a stock which has the benefits of manueverability without sacrificing controllability.

I haven't seen the video so perhaps my response is retarded.

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>>34239719
As do I

>why is op wearing hand condoms?

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10/10 thread

>>34240136
The shit happened here?

>>34240157
>bore solvent

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>>34240246

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>>34240246
oh boy you're one of 'those'

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>>34240266
Yeah... I don't get your point.

>>34237394
>ATF
>Rational
Choose one

>>34237394
ATF has driven an APC through a guy's house over a worn out AR15 that fired two rounds on one trigger pull.

>>34237171
The NFA has a reputation of shooting suspect's dogs and tried monitoring online

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>>34240136
Wasszis allaboot?

>>34240002

ATF: Pants-on-head retarded

>dem digits...so close

>>34237178
S&W quality control is a joke.

>>34240462
>>34240205
I'm guessing an incredibility mis timed revolver. I always hear Taurus when I see the picture.

>>34241045
It's the result of a load of birdshot.

>>34237570
You have no idea how hard barrel steel is m8

>>34237570
What the fuck is with two and three.
Have your ever even touched a wire brush?

>>34237239
Spinning a round ball doesn't increase accuracy much if at all. The old rifles rifling was more help with the soot left over from the bp than accuracy.
The biggest problem with muskets it the ball fit to the barrel. Muskets had much bigger bores than their bullet which led to bouncing in the barrel which lead to inaccuracy. This was solved by the minnie ball. The sleeve would expand to fit the barrel leading to less bouncing and better velocity.

>>34237026

first it jams on water, now you got this shit?

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>>34237608

>>34241614
Jams on water?

>>34241068
[citation needed]

>>34237026
Uh-oh, looks like it's time for S&W to get raided by the ATF again.

>>34237629
Not the guy you responded too, but that's not entirely true.

We had a customer come in with a barrel like OPs in his pistol, with some kinda rough spots where the rifling used to be (I think it was a P226; dunno wasn't there we he brought it in). After questioning how the fuck he did that, he casually mentionend that he cleaned it after every range trip (competition shooter, several times a week) with A FUCKING STEEL BRUSH.

This motherfucker would apparently sit on his couch and would continually scrub the barrel in & out while watching TV.
For hours on end.
Several times a week.
Over the course of several years.

He didn't know you're not supposed to do that.

We still have that barrel at work. I will take a picture tomorrow and if this thread is still up post it.

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>>34237026
Just by APFSDS ammo. Duh.

>>34237570

Nigga u dumb. So dumb.

>>34237026
ATF here. Hide your doggo.

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>>34241462
>Spinning a round ball doesn't increase accuracy much if at all.
RETARD ALERT

The good news is that at close range this gun would wreck your shit.

>>34247610
But that's not a round ball. The stitching disrupts the airflow around a baseball, which is how you get different pitches.

>>34237608
top kek

>>34247656
A baseball is a lot rounder than your typical cast lead ball from the time period.

>>34240353
link?

>>34241462
>gyroscopically stabilized
google it

>>34237095
Wonderful large blurry picture.
You can't be dumb enough to look at that and think, "Yeah, let's post it."

>>34239719
Saved, good oc!

>>34246631
Waiting

>>34248480
Protip: It looks a lot like this one
>>34238353

>>34241045
Mis-timed? You mean the hammer was doing that? Just hitting random parts of the cartridges?

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>>34246631

>>34237608
lmfao

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>>34237178
This is god-damned amazing.
S&W just set a new precedent for a shitshow.
You can't fucked up this badly, you just can't.

>>34237026
rebumping epic bred

>>34237026
what the fugggg

they forgot to rifle your barrel OP

>>34237026
man at first i thought you might have crazy amounts of lead fouling but then you posted the solvent. how the hell does shit like this get past QC

>>34251885
What QC?

How can this even happen?

>>34247730
UNless you leave the sprue on your cast ball like some kind of plebian, the ball is topographically closer to a golfball than a baseball

>>34255510
Cast balls back then were inconsistent in all manner of ways. Most often they had a seam and some remnants of a sprue. More than enough to make them aerodynamically wacky.

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>mfw OP bought a musket

Oh for fuck's sake
>… A pistol or revolver having a barrel with a smooth bore designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell; …
>designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell
>a fixed shotgun shell
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-guides-importation-verification-firearms-national-firearms-act-definitions-any

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>>34256024
The wording his lawyer would need to rely on is "designed or redesigned". Since it was a factory defect it was neither designed nor redesigned that way.

You can't legally deliberately make a smoothbore 9mm.

>>34256162
>You can't legally deliberately make a smoothbore 9mm.
>a 9mm is a shutgun shell
nice reading comprehension

>>34237026
>>34237031
>>34237043
>>34237056


RIP DOGGO

>>34256322
If you want a 9mm shotgun that isn't a SBS, you can't make it in the form factor of a S&W shield with 6" barrel.

You're not allowed to make smoothbore pistols (excepting black powder and pinfire). It's really that simple.

>>34247610
You spin a baseball to add curve. If you want it to go straight you throw a knuckleball which doesn't spin at all. Your logic is all wrong

>>34257333
Knuckleballs don't go straight, they have erratic flights due to chaotic turbulence. The spin of a curve ball gives it predictable consistent turbulence, making them more accurate.

>>34257520
>>34257333
>>34247730
>>34247656
>>34247610
https://youtu.be/Ra8y6gGotwY

>>34257905
Consistent spin = predictable results.
Chaotic spin = unpredictable results.

Lead ball down a rifled barrel = predictable spin
Lead ball down a smoothbore = chaotic spin

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>>34258019
>CHAOS