What does /k/ think of these? I carry them but lately been paranoid

>>34232309
solid copper anything is stupid. especially these rounds. The wound cavities it leaves is pathetic

>>34232309
You don't actually use these. Stop memeing.

Jesus christ those would destroy someone you would need a team of surgeons to close the wound

>>34232443
Oh but I do use these. Would you like a timestamp faggot?

>>34232440
Lehigh makes some decent solid copper rounds. But yeah, these RIP rounds are comically bad.

>>34232309
RIP rounds are at their most useful in a home defense gun. They have absolutely pathetic penetration, so you aren't likely to shoot through a wall and accidentally kill your neighbors kid. A HD gun doesn't need to be compact, so a larger magazine helps make up for their lackluster performance (and honestly, if you can't hit anything vital with 17+1 shots of fragmenting ammo, you deserve to get raped)

>>34232309
You should stop using them because they are atrociously retarded and gives you substandard performance in any given caliber, with a high premium.

Like, they are the snakeoil of defensive ammo.
A rough comparison of wounding is that a 9mm RIP performs like a .32ACP ball round at best, with some shallow birdshot-like damage in the entry wound, which looks ugly, but is pointless.

I'm not even exaggerating when I say you would be better off carrying some cheap-ass Winchester Whitebox garbage or Tula steelcase.

>>34232750
Oh lord, please do, that would make my day.

>>34232851
Agreed

Other than scare normies and excite mall-ninjas with its name and appearance, is there anything this meme round does better than a regular JSP?

>>34232851
>RIP rounds are at their most useful in a home defense gun. They have absolutely pathetic penetration, so you aren't likely to shoot through a wall and accidentally kill your neighbors kid.
There are untold better ways to have the same or better performance.

I only have access to fmj for shooting/self defense, is there anything I can do to the rounds to make them more effective?
Inb4 shot placement

>>34232862
No, it is a completely dumb gimmick, I'd sooner carry some fucking Thunderzap .38s from the 1980's than this garbage.

>>34232870
Shot placement.

>>34232862
>meme round

Do some research fucktard instead of jumping on the bandwagon just cause you wanna look cool on an anonymous website.

>>34232884

Absolute meme with zero practical use, a denim jackets could stop these, stay mad.

>>34232884
The RIP is literally a meme though, look at some independent tests.

>>34232892
>stay mad

You're upset because I'm right. They are still a JHP you moron. I didn't know you test rounds and record data as your job do tell me why your opinion matters you libtard

>>34232892
> owning a denim jacket

Probably deserve to be shot

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>>34232904

>>34232903

Unless you got some facts to assert this is an effective round vs an attacker then it is a fucking meme round which is why this thread exists. Only the lehigh maximum expansions are decent all brass rounds

>>34232904

Yeah but with a real bullet

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>>34232904
>he doesnt have a denim jacket, handlebar mustache, and a trans am

kys pussy

>>34232309
The only solid copper rounds for pistols you should be fuckingaround with at the moment are Lehigh's Tres Haute Vitesse Screwdrivers

So we all know these are exceedingly shitty rounds for handguns, but what if somebody were to scale the concept up to a shotgun round? A 12 gauge slug fragmenting into tiny shards of rape sounds pretty terrifying imo.

>>34232496
in ballistic gel, they have the penetrative and wounding profile of 22lr, which will still kill people dead. Still pretty much bullshit, unless they're only charging 7 cents per round.

>>34232921
>hurr durr doesn't go through denim

https://youtu.be/VxXCNBFy3Tg

>>34232939
G2 research already makes RIP 12 gauge rounds big boi

>>34232875
Thanks senpai

>>34232942
Kek, and then there was silence.

>>34232942
>that 22lr wound channel

WEW

>>34232309
Gimmick. When you shoot someone you want a bullet to go through them, not 1/10th of a bullet and some tiny splinters.

>>34233045
if there were bones in that ballistics gel it would have been much more devastating because of how it bounces around inside the body

>>34233069
>tiny splinters

You're obviously a troll. Or blind. Or gay.

>>34233072
Soooo, just like 22.

>>34232851
I mean apparently they don't feed in pretty much any semi auto, so good luck....

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>>34232948

>>34232904

Everyone laugh at this pussy.

I bet you dont like furry muff either.

>>34233109
And what facts do you have to back up this statement idiot? Or are you opening your cock mouth just to make noise?

>>34233123
>Everyone laugh at this pussy

What are you? 5?

>>34233124
A bunch of test videos as well as a basic understanding of how this shit works?

>>34232440
>>34232933
Corbon DPX perform great. The RIP rounds are a total gimmick.

>>34232939
It already exists, it's called 00 buckshot

>>34233129
Lets see the test videos. Also obviously not a basic fucking understanding if you're arguing with me because you don't understand facts.

>>34232750
yes. i'd like a timestamp, faggot.

>>34232884
>>34232903

Oh, you want test results? Okay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psGFPRpWZ3w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_27b9P0dfuI&t
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hpoyioicVU&t

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>>34233226
Fake news.

>>34233249
You got what you asked for. To bad it isn't what you wanted.

>>34233252
Ok that's not me fucking idiot also he shoots through the same gelatin multiple times ruining the "tests" cause he's a poorfag. I asked for tests not comparisons fucking dunce.

>>34232309
Just carry Hydrashok

>>34233249
>>34233259

He gives a lot of specific reasons why the G2 RIP doesn't work that well.

>B-but those weren't "real" tests.

No true scotsman.
Also, he doesn't re-use the same block in his later tests, no doubt because of the criticism like what you just leveled.

>>34232904
t. cuck

>>34232933
Lehigh actually make numerous interesting copper bullets, the Penetrator can make a .380 hit deeper, or make a .44 tunnel deep into a bear lengthways.

The Cavitator can make .32ACP go pretty deep and most likely outperform a 9mm RIP

>>34232948
Wow, I can't wait for substandard slugs at exclusive pricing!

>>34233095
The "trocars" do less wounding than lowbrass .410 bore birdshot, wasted effort famalam.

>>34233280
Ok grandpa time for bed

>>34232862
B-but it's got electrolytes that cut through anything like a tiny bell saw

>>34232837
The extreme penetratier and cavotator are awesome.

>>34232870
Take dremel and make a hollow point...

>>34233242
Gaaaaaay

>>34232309
Dude, just get some Gold Dots or Critical Defense like the rest of us. RIP don't penetrate enough to be able to reliably hit anything important. If you want a good self-defense load, look at the aforementioned Dots and Defense, or any other JHP load of 124 grains or more.

>>34233242
>Proud of getting ripped off by an overpriced meme round worse than .22lr

>>34233280
What really showed how fucking shill FPSRussia is is when he got the exact same shitty results in a gel block and called it awesome.

>>34233776
Well, to be fair, the core does barely meet the 12" requirement. It does it worse than a .22lr from a pistol with a shittier permanent channel, the trocars just don't do jack shit.

Question:

Is there any point to using rounds besides FMJ and HP? For practice and home defense respectively.

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>>34233183

>>34232309
>"they're bad no penetration meme round blah blah cock balls blah"

Says everyone on /k/ whos more than likely never been shot by much more than an airshit rifle. As long as you're not over paying for these then fuck it. If you get hit by one these you'll feel it.

>>34232309

They're probably more of a liability than anything honestly. A malicious or ignorant justice system would be scared and tear you to shreds legally speaking if you defended yourself with that. A regular hollow point works fine.

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>>34233226
>turn a 9mm hollow point into a 22lr hollow point for a mere $1.40 a round

>>34234466
Wadcutters make neat holes in paper, but that's more a revolver thing.

>>34234600
>As long as you're not over paying for these
You are. Period. They're less effective than .22lr and cost 1.5-2x as much as JHPs.

>>34235586
>They're less effective than .22lr and cost 1.5-2x as much as JHPs.
Yeah I get Federal HST 147 grains for 19.99 for a box of 50, in store. Thats almost 4x more expensive for meme rounds.

>>34235586
This. These are absolutely garbage.

>>34232309
Now here's some bait/shilling that I haven't seen in a *long* time.

>>34232865
I never said they were the best home defense weapon, you will notice.

>>34232921
>>Yeah but with a real bullet

SAVAGE

>>34232309
>Shoot Tyrone with one of these rounds.
>The solid copper smell enters the air and Tyrone is torn to pieces by half a dozen crakheads trying to steal the copper to sell.

>>34233242
Wow so you not only carry a shit round but you've cycled it so many times the case neck is bulging from the bullet being so set back.
OPER8R/10

>>34237430
This
Enjoy your new hand grenade OP

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>>34232865
Could you list a good 9mm round that accomplishes just that? I'm facing a similar dilemma where I live in an apartment complex and want rounds that are less likely to penetrate a wall.

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>>34232309

>>34234466
If its winter using solid copper or mild steel could be a benefit for getting through layers.

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>>34232309
there are much better gimmick rounds out there if thats what you're looking for.

Yes, it's a gimmicky meme of a bullet, but it's a bullet nonetheless. It still has the potential to kill something, and it will do just that.

>>34238840
extreme defense and what?

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>>34238965
Lehigh Extreme Penatrator (not the pussy defender) and Liberty Civil Defense fragmenting hollow points.

>>34232309
>>34232440
trolling
>>34232750
>>34232851
Trolling intensifies.

>>34232862
Not killing people, being a maymay, and separating fudds from their money.

>>34232903
Not him but they are a meme and they aren't a JHP so

>>34232933
>>34232921
Cor bon and colt called, they said you should mosey on into the year 2013 already.

>>34233259
lol

>>34233280
TBQH multi shot gel tests are bad. supposedly it fucks with the results slightly and im inclined to agree as i feel like almost every test I've seen with multiple shots per block has the penetration numbers slowly increase with the number of rounds fired whereas single shot/block tests seem to vary very little or go up and down.

>>34234600
>if you've never been shot at then you clearly cant understand ballistics
This is one of those classic arguments that is just so good for letting you know who is genuinely stupid.

>>34237827
>when even zed thinks you're a low effort shit poster

>>34238355
None do. deven rounds specifically designed for the task such as glaser safety slugs are still quite lethal through dry wall. The best rounds that are acceptable for SD and offer the least penetration through drywall are 5.56 and shotguns loaded with #4 buck.

>>34238991
What's wrong with defender?

>>34239592
There's nothing wrong with it, it's pretty much the same thing but with larger flutes to direct more forward energy outwards for enhanced cavitation at the cost of penetration. I personally like the Defender series myself since the Penetrator will go through a person in most calibers and the Defender probably would too so there's no reason not to just get the Defender.