What does /k/ think about the M&P 2.0 as a first handgun?

Good guns. 9mm, especially if its range only.

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>>34222222
You have to get 9mm now OP. Look at those sexes!

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>>34222222
Well there you go.

>>34222214
No experience with the 2.0. Shield is plenty fine though. Good thing about S&W guns is they all have the same control layout for the most part. Picking up any other model smaller or larger no worries. 9mm for sure on any gun you plan to use at the range and as home gun. Ammo is under .20 cents all day every day. Good prices are around 14-15 cents a round.

>>34222222
Now that's fuckin solid

Can't fit an optic with out eliminating irons.

>>34222214

I used an older one ('13) M&P L for duty for two years. It's not a bad weapon by any means but some things I didn't like about:

-It's narrow like a 1911. I don't have gentile hands. I prefer thicker grips like Glocks, etc. The adjustable rear swells do nothing but make the gun longer rather than actually thicker.

-It was finicky as all shit about ammunition. If the magazines were not loaded perfectly, I'd have malfunctions and various load weights would make it behave weird.

-The trigger is fucking horrible. It required an Apex to get it useful. You get this weird feeling of not knowing when the trigger travel that's spongey then bang it fires. Glocks you can time easy from the way it feels.

-The slide stop lever had to be sanded down to be functional.

-The M&PL was a gigantic gun. It was like carrying a sniper rifle on my hip.

I went back to a Glock afterwards. Go to a range and rent every decent gun you can find, then make your decision from there.

>>34222526
>I don't have gentile hands. I prefer thicker grips like Glocks
>The trigger is fucking horrible
Stock grips are hit or miss for me depending on model. Trigger always feels like shit on S&W guns.

>>34222222
holy fuck

>>34222451
you forgot to mention where you're going to attach the folding stock and bipod and foregrip and backup irons and canted red dot and atpial you fucking mongoloid

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>>34222222
can't argue with these digits

>>34222214
Striker fired guns are ridiculously hard to shoot. Get a gun with less trigger creep. Smith and Wesson revolvers and 1911s have the best out of box triggers.

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>>34222526
>I don't have gentile hands

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>>34223877
optics on pistols are perfectly legitimate.

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>>34224745
M&P is okay. Get it in 9mm. Real question is safety or no safety.

>>34222526
>The adjustable rear swells do nothing but make the gun longer rather than actually thicker.

Except for they actually do make the grip thicker.

>>34222214
The 2.0 fixed the biggest problem about the original, in that it didn't have a reset at all.

9 or 45, both good. Both are super soft shooting. My M&P45 was one of the most accurate autoloaders I've shot

>>34224781
There is no reason to get one with a manual safety. Just keep your finger off the trigger until you want to shoot and you will never have an issue.

>>34224781
I've seen them in stores. They have long ass trigger pulls, which make shooting difficult for even the most experienced shooters. OP said he wanted a gun for a new shooter.

Im a m&p fanboy. Have a full size a compact and shield in 9mm.

I was at lgs yesterday and finger banged the full size 2.0 9mm. The stipple is awful aggressive. Other than that felt like the same gun.

Also the houge handalls are a must for m&p imo.

>>34224870
First pull is the worst on them in my experience. They're like a DA pull. New shooter wise my waifu really liked the trigger and grips on Walther the best at the time. She liked my Sig and Glock but they're full size and she has trouble with the slides plus size.

Decent guns, get one in 9mm if it's just a range toy.
Though I would seriously consider getting a 1911 or a revolver if your goal is target shooting

>>34224870
A difficult trigger is better to learn on if you wanna develop decent trigger control. My first ever pistol was an M&P 9 and i still shoot those better than just about anything else except my ruger sp101

>>34222214
Why are there speed holes on the side of the dust cover?

>>34222222

Repeating intergers

Was 10 rounds in 45 the best they could do? Seriously? Wtf

>>34222222
Holy fucking shit

>>34226157
I figure they're aiming for a number large enough for operational operating yet not so much it's uncomfortable for some to use like a big-boy .45 dubble-stakks. I don't mind, I say anything ten or more is combat ready and anything less is defensive use only.

>>34226190
45 double stacks are the most ergonomic guns

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>>34222222
He confirms.

>>34226213
How do you figure?

>>34226410
More to hold on to.

>>34226471
So double-stack .45s are the thicc slampigs of the pistol world?

>>34226504
Both are high test

>>34226592
But you trust and commit with a slender 9mm with a black cerakote finish.

>>34222526
>-The slide stop lever had to be sanded down to be functional.

Thought it was just me. S&W has this problem on all of the M&P's. If the 2.0 corrected all of the problems it should be a good pistol.

>>34226623
>not settling down with a thicc, motherly, sleek, stainless, durable double stack 1911
Coalburning is a sin.

>>34226817
It's coal-mining and she can provide many more ammo options for me because she wants to make me happy. Your cow wants you to please it.

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>>34222222
great guns with a Apex trigger, dare I say the trigger upgrade makes M&P's the best striker.

>>34226880
FMJ is all you need with fuddy-five

>>34226626
It says so in the damn manual that it is a slide stop, not a release. That's just how they designed it and why it's tough to release with until it's been worn.

>>34226923
When you're making excuses for the insufficient results and collateral damage of your what happens when you and your thicclet get it on, you've lost the plot.
Me with 9mm gf:
>Ooh baby u axin me to shoot some dat +p JHP door-penetratin ammo? U so wild, I love u

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>>34222214
9mm because ammo is cheap as fuck.

so much plinking, OP.

Don't be a .45ACP rube.

>>34226997
They make 45 +p now grandpa

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>>34222222

> six twos
> what did he mean by this?

Especially if its range only.
Range only.
Only.

Dont even bother relying on these for self defense.

>>34227049
I'm only gonna respond to you if you continue with the metaphor.

>>34222214
My friend just got one of those. I was able to put a full magazine through it into so.e bowling pins.

The gun feels very nice. I am not a big fan of striker pistols, but I must say it was very comfortable to shoot. It actually felt very similar to my Beretta 92FS. One of those would probably make for a good first pistol. Very controllable and not too snappy in 9mm with the 124gr Sellier I fed it.

>>34224801
Trigger reset is massively overrated.

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>>34224781
>>34224870

To be frank I hate these pistols and I have ever since they came out, I dont like the ergonomics, and they were frought with safety claims and recalls.

How the hell they got popular over Sig or Glocks I dont know, I guess it was aggressive marketing.

> literally a meme pistol, people just dont understand it is a meme

>>34227145
Any gun at that price range will catch on, quality is just a bonus. In this case, the M&P does not have that bonus.

>>34222214
>What does /k/ think about the M&P 2.0 as a first handgun?
If you really don't want a DA/SA or revolver, I'd say it's one of the better choices. Certainly better than Glock.

>>34227145
>>meme gun

I want summer to be over now.

>>34222214
If you can find the original M&P and throw an apex kit in it, I would suggest that. They didn't do enough to the pistol to warrant a 2.0 imo.

>>34227947
>They didn't do enough to the pistol to warrant a 2.0 imo.
Cutting off that useless beavertail and fixing the accuracy issues in the 9s was more then enough, imo

>>34222214
>Also, 9mm or 45?
Your choice, but if you want a .45 know that the M&P is one of the most durable/reliable .45's you can buy aside from an HK - even the first gens

Appreciate the discussions guys.

I think I'm going to go out and try out a handful of handguns but I think this one is definitely in the running. I need to pick up something soon.

>>34228057
What kind of things are you looking for in a gun?

>>34228091
>Honestly just something fun to shoot and get my aim better. I've just recently gotten into firearms and have only shot a handful of different guns.

I own a cheapy AR but I'm looking to expand my collection without investing a ton into it.

OP, there is a write up on the M&P 2.0 in this months American Rifleman you may be interested in reading.
one of boys i work with picked one up a while back and was very pleased with his.

>>34228128
As far as sheer fun, I would say to get a .22 of some sort -- easy, cheap, but forgiving of failure. Then maybe a 1911 -- excellent trigger, heavy gun and long barrel to minimize recoil, but still a lethal bullet that requires getting better at shooting. It can also come in 9mm.

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>>34228128
S&W 617
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrVi5PwAB5Y

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>>34222222

>>34228413
1911s are terrible beginner guns because they're so easy to shoot well that it's very easy to develop bad habits on them.
What a beginner really needs is a DA revolver or a Glock with an NY trigger spring.
Something that forces you to develop good fundamentals and allows you to go on and shoot any other gun well.

>>34229255
>Glock with an NY trigger spring
what does this mean exactly?

>>34229855
Heavier spring.

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>>34229855
It's a trigger spring developed by Glock for the NYPD that changes the trigger characteristics too be more like a double-action revolver, on the premise that NY cops would shoot better if they didn't have to leave the 12# DA comfort zone they'd gotten into from decades of wheelgunning.
It works for its intended purpose (making your Glock feel like a smooth, heavy DA trigger), and also has the benefits of being easier to install than the normal coil spring and less prone to breakage.
It comes in two flavors: the olive drab NY1 which raises the pull to 8 lbs, and the orange NY2 which turns it up to 12.

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>>34222214
Has the M&P line fixed their rest issue? It seems I see a lot of complaints on rust in the internal components more than any other firearm.

Other than that the 2.0 seems like a nice firearm for the money.

The 2.0 safety is trash. I like a high grip on my guns and the bug extended safety is extremely easy to engage when racking the slide. The stippling is awful, too.

>>34230039
It's actually nothing nothing like a revolver though, from safety or shootability standpoint. It's just a heavy, shitty trigger.

>>34230846
This, it'd be one thing if it was like those LEM triggers that claim they're like breaking glass between your fingers, but I hear they have grit, take-up, and too much reset and the result is that collateral damage has only gone up.

>>34230846
Bullshit.
Dry-firing my S&W and my NY2-equipped Glock back-to-back, they're close enough that if I were blindfolded and handed the latter and told it was a revolver, I'd be hard-pressed to deny it.
It's not necessarily a good revolver, but it's close enough for my intended purpose of carrying a plastic service auto with a flashlight on it without leaving my 12 lb DA comfort zone.

>>34230879
>they have grit, take-up, and too much reset and the result is that collateral damage has only gone up
The problem isn't the trigger; the problem is that most cops aren't "gun guys" and can't be bothered to practice using the deadly weapon that they're expected to be proficient with.
If every NYPD pig were issued Dan Wilson 1911s tomorrow, they'd still find a way to dump dozens of rounds into innocent bystanders because their hardware is not and has never been the problem.

>>34231070
So the only solution is to solve it the same way it seems so many problems in New York come about -- cut legislation, remove the authoritarian political machine, and allow legal gun culture to flourish.

>>34231070
>Dry-firing my S&W and my NY2-equipped Glock back-to-back, they're close enough that if I were blindfolded and handed the latter and told it was a revolver, I'd be hard-pressed to deny it.
That's your problem. Again, the two are nothing alike - I don't care how defective your S&W is.

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>>34231128
It certainly wouldn't hurt.
NYC's gun control laws have clearly failed in their intended purpose of disarming urban minorities, so literally the worst-case scenario is wypipo going on Death Wish 3 rampages through the ghettoes and evening out the crime stats a bit.

>>34222451
This is a legitimate concern.

Your decision has been made by >>34222222
Better head to the LGS right now.