-CAMO GENERAL- Post your favorite camos, the best camo for different

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>>34187177
Obligatory post.

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>>34187177
>wearing camo
ishyddt

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>>34187177
>Also, what is your opinion of black camos like the new multicam black?
Black "camos" are pretty much worthless. Law enforcement wears that shit for identification or intimidation, but it shouldn't ever be considered important for concealment. Hell, urban camouflage in general is pretty much bullshit. Some experimenting by the USMC and Army demonstrated that it just doesn't work. People tend to consider urban areas to be gray, but the information out there suggests otherwise. Urban camo and black camo is just joke-tier memeing.


The best urban color is brown:
https://www.milspecmonkey.com/index.php/articles-page/63-articles/454-a-real-urban-grey

>>34187177
Woodland sucks. Multicam tropic or atacs fg are much better.

>>34187330
> Le Camo

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>>34187330
I'd say : Gray for modern cities, Brown for older cities.
Am I right ?

>>34188067

Do you know which Osprey this is from?

That home guard sniper is hilarious

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Best camo

>>34187177
>>34187330
Black is good for night camo.

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>>34188126

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>>34188067
>Am I right ?
No, keep it simple, just wear brown.

>>34188113
Flectarn is really good, I usually see it beating Multicam in a woodland setting, although it really doesnt work well for anything else whereas multicam usually does

>>34188277
classic

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>>34188008
Tropic looks pretty good here, but in any lighter area it sticks out like a sore thumb. Also it has a tendency to "blob" together in shadows

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OP here, I really want to geta discussion going on this US4CES camo. Thinking about buying it. Also, heres a picture of the random pattern I found, but when I looked at its performance I was very surprised at how well it did. Thoughts?

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This shit also looks really good. Cant tell if it's the Hyperstealth or something else? I know ive seen it before, just cant remember where.

Also obligatory Kryptek Mandrake discussion

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>>34188780
US4CES is another digital pattern that performs similarly to MARPAT. The benefit of the line was is that it is more effective under NIR and features a multi-environment "transitional" pattern. Other than that, it's comparable to other existing patterns. It was tested by the US Army. They found that it performed okay, but looked too much like MARPAT and they were still looking for a single uniform to replace UCP.

First Lite Fusion is another run of the mill hunting pattern. Similar to the stuff made by Sitka, Under Armour, Cabelas, OptiFade, Natural Gear, and many others. It's got a really different color palette and it's area specific.

>>34188876
It's AOR. A Naval Special Warfare pattern.

>>34188964
So it sounds like the US4CES is still ahead of the rest due to the transitional pattern as well as better NIR. Am I missing something or is it safe to say this is a very good pattern?

The Lite Fusion looks like a well thought out camo. Whats to stop this from military application?

For those interested in the process of making and testing a new camo, read this article put out by the Hyperstealth company so it may be slightly biased but the science is still accurate. The article goes into good depth of discussion, and there are multiple parts

http://www.hyperstealth.com/camo-improvement/

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>No glorious red camo
Fuck you guys.

>>34189336
That... Actually blew me away
More pics in a different environment?

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>>34189375
:^)

>>34189458
god damnit you retard

>>34189336
What is the red one called ?

>>34189677

Colloquially known as Alpenflage.

>>34189730
Its Swiss. Why is Swiss everything great ?

>>34189769
they steal from the germans and add one special snowflake item

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>>34187177
>>34188780

>Thinking about buying it.
Hahahaha, good luck.
Guy Cramer is notoriously jewy with his patterns and sued the manufacturers of ATACS for the crime of looking at his website before releasing their camo...
There is a very, very small amount of actual hyperstealth camo out there. Mostly DECEPTEX and SPEC4CE commercial fabric, that's the rarest shit.
US4CES is out there and available, mostly the transitional pattern adopted by the Mexican marines. Finding a seller in Mexico is difficult, however, and expensive. Original test articles of US4CES (read: anything except the transitional pattern) are about as rare as any other US Army test article. (read: fucking impossible to find)

Source: Guy who owns US4CES
And yes, it does work under IR just as advertised.

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>>34189582
*Growls*
Back The Fuck Off ?!

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>>34189336
Different kind of red camo is my favorite :)

>>34189824
Again, fuck off jewboi. You and I both got ours from the same guy. Get off your high horse.

>>34188780
His set and my set are both from the mexican marines, and bought from one. They're obtainable for sure, but you'll be hard pressed to find a set in a good size, in good shape, and that doesn't cost a shit ton.

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What do you guys think is the most useless camo pattern?

>>34189951
Obviously there's nonsense out there from third world countries with blaze orange and shit, but the most useless pattern adopted by a western nation is UCP.

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>MARPAT

This stuff works really well innawoods in the northeast. Once you get out of the clearings, there is mostly brown. Fall/winter especially, but even spring/summer has lots of brown.

TRIGGER WARNING: This is a 10 year old picture of airsoft faggots.

>>34189336
Why is there just a pile of leaves in the bottom right?

>>34190221
Gonna admit now, I didn't actually know there was a camo pattern there until you pointed it out.

>>34187177
did anyone ever get that rhodie cammo or was that just a gaint rippoff

>>34189336
What kind of comparison is that? 5 out of 9 are UCP.

>>34187177
CADPAT v. Finnish M05 v. Estonian ESTDCU
All are great patterns for boreal environments but M05 is actually obtainable compared to CADPAT and ESTDCU
Anyone have any preferences among those?

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>>34190152
> really well innawoods in the northeast
agreed, its the best pattern ive found so far for this area. I dont like using current issue cammo but it just works so well

>>34189824
I really like the look of that. How much are we talking for your set price wise?

>>34189879

What the fuck is this power-autism?

Is that meant to be Princip and Ferdinand?

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>>34189824
This ATACS shit looks useless

>>34189824
But how do they perform concealment wise? Looking for some insight from someone who owns it

>>34190274
I own both lithuanian and Finnish M05, and ESTDCU.

Earlier generation ESTDCU had almost lime base green, so it's pretty poor for boreal forests compared to cadpat. ESTDCU also has brighter "red" splotches compared to cadpat's more brown red.

Finnish M05 works pretty well, with darker greens more sparsely scattered throughout the pattern with a earth colored base works far better IMO than the base greens of cadpat and estdcu. When you step outside in places like estonia and finland and look at the ground, you'll see more mossy greens and lots of browns, where most trees have their foliage up higher than soldier-running-around-the-woods-level.

I personally think lithuanian M05 works even better in areas where the foliage is lower to the ground than both cadpat and estdcu. I understand the theory behind digital patterns entirely, but I believe, from my experience, "natural" patterns work better in less dense woodland environments, and digital patterns work better in more dense and arid environments.

Like, desert MARPAT and AOR1 work rather well, as they have a wider spectrum of colors more evenly distributed throught the pattern compared to the trash - albeit aesthetic trash - that are the six and three color desert patterns.

>>34190406
I'm not him, but I'm the other guy that has a set. It works ok familam. In my experience, the pattern is too large to be really effective, even in it's "ideal" environment.

It has the exact same problem woodland LATPAT has. Google it, and google pictures of the latvian landscape and compare. It may have perfect colors for the environment, but the occurrence of, size, and placement of the colors is all wrong.

>>34189891
Oh no a spookey skeleton

>>34188876
is this airshit faggortry?

>>34190528
Innawoods dickhuggers are best pants ;)

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I fucking love faded woodland and no one can convince me to use anything else.

In the winter I have whites and if there's no green I smear mud on my bdus. It will always be 1990 in my head.

>>34190542
Most certainly. Mesh mask on center guy is dead giveaway.

>>34190557
Faded woodland may indeed be the sexiest of all camos, no argument there. If going for aesthetic as fuck, I will pick faded woodland every time. for practical use though, if you plan on ever going outside the cover of brush I dont think it stands a chance

>>34187177
Cadpat no pics cause wifi is to slow.

>>34190585
True. It turns way too dark at a distance.

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>>34189336
>red camo
Oy vey!

>>34189336
>only two things that blend in is Woodland and Alpenflage
>that red fadeout Nazi science weird shit actually works

>>34190813
would it be due to the eyes concentrating on the red forcing your eyes to focus on specific points making the camo itself be rendered as if it were bushes more due to not focusing on it as much?

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>>34189900
The fuck kinda high horse am I on? If it's such a damn common pattern, then go ahead and find me another place I can get it.
Oh yeah, Hyperstealth isn't selling their fabric anymore because they're trying to focus on some literally impossible scifi bullshit. The only way to get any pattern from them is to sign a licensing agreement and buy hundreds of sets of uniforms.
If the only way to get your hands on a pattern is through a custom licensing agreement with the company that makes it, or to buy it from a country where it's illegal to sell it, I'm not acting shitty for saying it's fucking rare. You said it yourself, too.
>>34190356
I paid $350 for the set, which isn't too bad for what I was getting. The problem is finding someone to buy it from, so your mileage may vary.
>>34190406
I don't know where that other guy lives but it works great in the Ohio/Kentucky/Indiana area. It's just as effective as multicam in tan and light vegetation, but doesn't stand out as much in green foliage.

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>>34190888
Na, red light fades the fasted in earths atmosphere due to its wavelength. It is hard to see dirty red colors in low light conditions. Apparently most mammals can't see red, and those that can have a fixed wiring in their visual cortex to filter it out and replace it with other colors if needed.
So some Nazi tech figured if he'd make a camo with dirty red patches, human brain would miracle it into an all terrain pattern.
War was over before that came into service, the Swiss bought the patent and the machines and made the pattern.
Crazy thing, it works, shit is hard to spot in a dark forest. It works better than the new Swiss Alpenflage which is the same pattern without red.

>>34191150
That is honestly fucking incredible. Will this only work in a place with dead leaves on the ground though??

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What's the deal with Italian camo?

Saw it for the first time this weekend in a surplus store. It's so yellow. Very unique, but is it useful?

>>34191272
Looks like it would work well in Italian plains or other dry temperate zones
>>34191150
What's this pattern called? I'm intrigued

>>34191123
https://youtu.be/Rqi3jpBSyCc

So this video isnt some elaborate april fools prank? What the shit, I just want cool camo patterns

>>34191150
Where can I grab it? whats the offical name?

>>34191266
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82vN7bc2Ry8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlLgZmiN6go
This guy did some testing in different environments, check for yourself.
What always strikes me when I see this pattern is that from close it looks like someone vomited tomato sauce on their BDU, but when you are a couple meters out the color completely fades off.

>>34191297
>>34191314
Official Swiss names are TAZ-70 and TAZ-83, the Nazi name was Leibermuster, but everyone calls it Alpenflage.

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>>34191348
TAZ-70 jacket is pretty great, the integrated face veil alone is worth it, plus enough pockets that you can forgo on a backpack

>>34191314
you cant get this because it is FICTIONAL
the images displayed in that shitty cnn piece were sheets of cloth screen printed with a picture of the location where the model would hold up the "camo"

unless you have a photo of every location you might want to hide in, a screen printing shop and an endless supply of cloth in your survival kit, it's useless puffery

>>34191336
There were a few times he legit fooled me, showing how good this camo can be. But it can be hard to tell when you dont have really clear footage.

>>34191348
thx anon

>>34187330
nice airsoft cosplay

also that light is retarded, I doubt that bushnell dot even clears the bezel of the light, and using the wml with a pump is some dumb shit becuase oh cool turn off your light at a time you clearly need it right when your gun is no longer loaded.

>>34191123
So you are saying its better/more effective than multicam?

>>34191370
where can i get that.... EXACT ONE

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>>34191372
>you cant get this because it is FICTIONAL

>>34189677
red what? I dont see anything

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>>34191372
F I C T I O N A L

>>34191436
troll or did you actually miss the blouse in the bottom right

>>34191429
I need to know
>>34191433
Lies.
>>34191449
LIES

>>34191429
Ebay or milsurp store? Even if you don't like the pattern, the quality of Swiss jackets is amazingly solid and they'll make good work gear.

>>34191433
> implying that shitty bright red splotchy shit would conceal anyone
> failing to grasp that this is STILL not the magical "harry potter cloak" seen in the cnn vidya

my ghillie suit blows the doors off your dopey stock footage

even mossy oak or realtree would be an improvement over that shit

google Project Yehudi

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>>34191469
There is no such jacket anon.

>>34191471
I fucking love the pattern and the veil looking on ebay can only find jackets but none of em show a viel whats the one with the veil?

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>>34191492
TAZ-70, the veil is hidden in the hoody.

>>34191489
God damn it anons come on I just came from the sad tanks bread cut me a break.

What do you guys prefer for equipment, such as pouches, packs, and load bearing equipment? OD, FDE, Ranger green, etc.?

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>>34191541
sorry, but this jacket does not exist!

>>34191548
Coyote tan pouches/carriers will work with ANY camo. Ranger green on tan looks ass, but the reverse is fine.

>>34191482
>doesn't work too bad
>cost next to nothing because milsurp
>built quality exceeds anything made by white people in the 21st century

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtN17O7EPTk

>>34191528
Found it thx anons buying one now.

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>>34191424
Somewhat. Multicam has its time and place, but I find US4CES transitional to be really, REALLY good for lightly vegetated areas.

>>34191310
No, the tech doesn't exist. All those photos, or the originals on the hyperstealth website, are marked as just representational photos of what it would do.

Every time he's "scheduled" to show it to one person or another, a shady CIA esque character prevents him from showing it, blah blah blah national security blah blah blah.

>>34187177
The Mexican Military uses the US4CES.

>>34191372
Hey you autist, you misread who that guy was replying to.

He's just asking where he can find alpenflage.

>>34191562
I think that, too. I was messing around with my predominantly coyote battle belt and my repro Rhodie chest rig, and they fit surprisingly well with Woodland and Tiger Stripe.

>>34191602
Yep, the mexican marines are switching to it entirely, started mid 2016, so it'll become easier to obtain in the coming years. Now, it can be had for crye aor1 like prices on the open market. Around $350-450 a piece.

It will probably get down to around $200 a piece in a few years.

>>34191614
>He's just asking where he can find alpenflage.
You literally can't, once Alpenflage is applied it automatically blends into the environment and becomes invisible.

>>34191675
No you silly goose, that's only after it's changed hands more than once. It all initally was mined out of swiss caves high in the alps, where the only reason it's wasn't lost is that it didn't blend into the snow. If a piece was dropped onto the ground outside of the snow, you're totally right.

>>34191429
M-70 jacket, you should be able to find it on the bay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhRhQ0TxSLs

>>34191781
Found em anon

>>34191602
so its really more like MEXICAN4CES kek

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>>34188113
>>34188681
Flecktarn is shit. It only looks impressive up close. If you look at it from any sort of distance it just becomes a solid blob of dark green.

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Yeah it's an airsoft field but who gives a shit. It's the closest any of us will really get to testing camo.

>>34191873
>acu vs flecktarn
>acu
kys

>>34191696
>>34191675
What you dont understand is that if mishandled, not only does the garment disappear forever but the person inside does as well.

Its why the Swiss have had to remain neutral in all the major conflicts, they lost too many men to the aether before they could even fight

>>34189879
>>34189458
KILL
YOURSELF
PLEASE

>>34191885
Bet you cant spawn the guy in Alpenflage

>>34191891
The ACU won, tho. Probably for the first time in history

>>34191904
cant see* im retarded and cant spell

>>34191885
From watching lots of camo comparisons, i've been surprised at how effective desert camo in general can be if used in the winter time. It makes sense since everything is brown and dead.

>>34191908
ACU was designed for Afghanistan, so if you put it into a mountain environment you'd be impressed with how effective it can be.

>>34190368
Works in the NE surpringly

>>34191894
Little know fact, Swiss BDU's hav hiden straps in high vis yellow, soldiers are required to pull the straps to visible mode before they take their gear off in order to find it again.
If the high viz yellow is missing on your Alpenflage, just replace it with ACU, it does a great job of standing out against pretty much every background there is.

So is Alpenflage a meme camo then? I dont do camo.

>>34188126
Stahp. The normies will believe you!

>>34192129
It works well enough, it just looks pants on head retarded from up close and it is (was) ridiculously cheap on the milsurp market.

When you look at it, it is like the last pattern you'd choose, because the red in camo is counter intuitive. However, Nazi space magic works and Goblin made stands for high quality.

>>34192224
What would be the best price for it than?

>>34192235
as in to look for purchase

>>34191937
>Afghanistan
>Universal Camoflage Pattern
>Based on Urban Track
>Retarded

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>>34188876
In for Kryptek.

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>>34191482
>Yehudi
>couldn't see the obvious Jewishness dripping from it

So this summer im doing Basic Training in Canada how hard would it be to uhh... Liberate a some a pair of Cad Pat BDU's?

>>34192235
You can get a complete set for $30-$40

>>34188876
>>34192383
Kryptek is objectively garbage from a concealment standpoint. Way too much black, in like every variant.

There's a fine line in camouflage theory between the benefits from natural shape based patterns and digital patterns. Kryptek tears up a part of that line to 90 degrees, and sits on it like a faggot on an upside down bar stool.

>>34190368
It's actually not. In green months it's really concealable, at least with the FG.

It seems like for forest environments, a light brown/faded green will do the trick of blending in...

Is there some way of way to draw up your own camo?

>>34192515
I dont know retard I havent been through canadian military but my guess is literally as easy as walking off base with them seeing as to how they are your damn uniform

>>34192660
Provide comparison pix m8

>>34192660
I don't wear Kryptek because it works.

Actually, I don't even wear it. I just bought this shit because it was cheap and looked cool.

>>34193098
Yeah man, I'm not knocking you or anything. No problem owning something you like.

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5.11 came out with this camo a few years ago. It's discontinued now but it looks like it would be effective in wooded areas.

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I really like ones that work well in very specific times of the year

>>34191272
I have a set for hunting in southern California, it blends in real nice with the desert and ded shrubbery

>>34193098
>kryptek
>cheap

choose one

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I love erdl. It will always be 1967 in my head and nobody can convince me to use anything else.

>>34189458
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>34189458
FUCK OFF

>>34191873
Gee, wonder why camouflage made for middle europe doesnt work in places without the same vegetation.

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AusCam is best cam.

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>>34195132
oops. smol size

>>34194987
That shit looks retarded senpai. It would have to do a hell of a job concealing me before I would wear it
>>34195173
That looks like a circuit board. Futuristic as fuck

>>34187209

Such a shit flick.

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Auscam is cool anon

>>34191528
I bought this set a few months ago and literally didn't know about the veil until right now.

Also for the other anons asking I got the pants, jacket and backpack (backpack strap was missing a buckle) and I paid like $30 plus shipping. You can find it pretty cheap.

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>>34194488
I love od. It will always be 1944 in my head and nobody can convince me to use anything else.

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>>34196749
I love woolen colonial blue. It will always be 1774 in my head and nobody can convince me to use anything else.

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>>34196810
I love pot metal rust brown. It will always be 1046 in my head and nobody can convince me to use anything else.

>>34196839
>>34196810
>>34196749
>>34194488
Top kek

>>34196839
>no surcoat
Plebian

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>>34194488
>>34196749
>>34196810
>>34196839
I love my tunic and shin strap sandals. It will always be 33AD in my head and no one can convince me other wise

>>34196855
Yes, well...not all (most) of us can be noble by birth.

>>34196905
>I can't afford an extra cloak!
Poor plebs gonna poor

>>34196867
D'oh, should've been a color!

>>34191372
>an endless supply of cloth in your survival kit, it's useless puffery

So I cant be like Snake in MGS3?

>>34189018
Looks like it's just a non-subdued version of UCP

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Older British DPM woodland patterns are quite nice, this is a 1966 or 1968 pattern para smock I modified slighty.

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>>34194110
speaking of specialized camo

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I unironically wear fishoflauge

>>34197589
that looks quite warm, anon. I would like that coat myself

>>34198080
WTF is this bullshit, man. Pics of you wearing it outside of being underwater in a pond or im calling corn

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>>34198133
Cheers anon, there's plenty of room to conceal a weapon in the pockets too

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penncott greenzone masterrace

>>34194157
Got a set of combat shirt and pants for $40, fuck you very much.

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The only true baller camo.

Any of you gents know where to get some TTsKO that isn't ebay?

>>34202505
>gents

Fuck off, First Sergeant. I'm on leave.

>>34201437
dude that's sick

>>34194110
This camo would be great for southern late falls/winters where there is no snow but frost everywhere.

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>>34187209

>>34188742
g36 blue gun is cute.

>>34189879
they used to shoot with one hand.

>>34191150
different camo for torsol and legs defi break up your human form

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>>34191150

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We haven't had enough of the red

>>34204975
No, that's fucking retarded.

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>>34189336
>mfw Woodland and Alpenflage outperform modern camos

>>34205873
Shouldn't be that impressed. More than half of the "modern camos" are UCP.

>>34196867
Boy, you really fucked that up.

>>34203891
kek

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https://forcesuniformandkit.co.uk/collections/all-army-surplus-jackets-and-coats/products/swiss-alpenflage-camo-load-carrying-combat-jacket
Would this have the face veil

>>34198005
NUCLEAR CATERPILLAR!!!

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what do you guys think of Varan?

specifically for operating in Texas?

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>>34212129

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>>34212149

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>>34212164

>>34212129
Isn't that the Ukranian not-multicam?
I'm curious to see how it works

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>>34212182
>>34212184
yes,

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Why do the most useful camo patterns have to be put on Buba's casual wear?

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Has anyone made a Zebra Stripe uniform yet?

>>34212129
>>34212149
>>34212164
>>34212182
As a native Texan, it could work quite well. The areas in these pics look like they could have been shot near Mineral Wells, I know of alot of land that looks alot like the scenes in the pics. The pattern is quite interesting, as it seems to go for a "rock" blend and texture rather than a forest/grass/leafy blend. I am intrigued. However there are alot of parts of Texas that dont have the rocky outcroppings shown, but rather grassland, creekbottom, and scrub brush environments. Depending on where you live I would say its a great camo.

What are some good commercial camo patterns that arent mossy oak or bubba tier?

>>34212447
Its also interesting because it borrows from the well established big splotches of woodland, whilst integrating micro textures inside the blotches. Do you have any pics of it in a different setting?

>>34212447
San Antonio - Austin surrounding hill country

>>34212504
Then I would say yes. The area around there looks alot like pic related. What are your thoughts on my other critiques?

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Pic related. A close second would be SURPAT

>>34212566
I agree, just needed a second opinion. The PigTac website has a map where this camo is effective and most of Texas was in there. Didn't know if it was just marketing because of Texas' reputation with guns, hunting, militias, and the type of people prone to buying this stuff.

My team and I are trying to standardize and we're thinking this might be best.

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>>34187209
>ASAT

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>no one posting M90

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>>34213071

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>>34213177

>>34213182
That shit looks fucking dope senpai

>>34190585
>Faded woodland may indeed be the sexiest of all camos
That's not how you spell olive drab. No 'Nam flashback is complete without it.

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>>34189879

>>34194987
Not the best environment to show it off, but practically anywhere else in the country it is amazing, and fuck the Anon that said it's ridiculous. Just wish we weren't replacing with a multimeme variant

>>34214455
Give us some good examples then Aussfag

>>34214584
What is this??

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>>34205410
No, it´s pretty much the best thing you can do in certain situations.

>>34194934
Best camo

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>>34214644
i agree

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>>34196867
I love my bare skin and loin cloth. It will always be 10,000 BC in my head and no one can convince me otherwise!

>>34212353
that makes zero sense to do
sure the lines can sorta help break up profile if it makes sense but the whole reason Zebras have that pattern fur is so that when they stand in a group
like they do
that any predators will have a harder time singling them out

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>>34215932
blorp

>>34217968
ahahahhhaahahahaha

Oh, Jesus. That was fucking great.

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>>34212572
No bully, but why can't Russians into matching kit? Or at least rarely.

>>34214644
No. Wearing two different patterns is assuming that the battlefield is linear, the terrain will not change, and that you will be positioned in such a manner as to effectively utilize both patterns. What happens if you have to go prone? You're just a target now?

>>34218005
They are broke.

>>34218037

>>34218005
It's gotten a lot better in the last five years or so, but before that, it was pretty much
>report for conscription
>get taken to a big warehouse
>told you have the next three minutes to find something that fits

Hey camo fags, how well do ponchos and smocks work at camouflaging a person? Would it be feasible when hunting or playing soldier to just get a smock/poncho in place of a full jacket and pant set?

>>34212353
Im pretty sure some central african country like Zaire or Uganda used to issue a literal zebra print to their elite guard.

Leopard print uniforms are also common in the region

>>34214611
Realtree Max 1 camo

>>34191885
>ACU
#triggered