How does the P30/HK45 compare to the USP series in terms of build

>>34151608

It's crap, buy it anyways.

They're supposed to be the natural evolution of the USP line of handguns, and the durability/reliability is supposed to be the same as well. Although I do remember reading about how HK does not recommend using +p ammo in the P30, whereas they don't say anything about using +p ammo in the USP, aside from increasing wear and tear.

I like how the USP feels in my hand, so I'm going to blow my shekels on a USP Expert instead of a P30L.

I've owned three P30s and the build quality and durability on all of them has been phenomenal with maybe 15k rounds between them all. Like >>34151739 said it's supposed to be the natural evolution of the USP but the USP still does some things better than the P series. The USP has a much better trigger and is renown for its reliability, not saying that the P series aren't but the USP has a huge track record of being ultra reliable over the past few decades that the P series of pistols just don't have yet

Before deciding on a P30 give the USP a shot as most people seem to prefer the USP. I like them both and I like some aspects of the USP better but I feel I'm in the minority for liking the P series a little better

I have a p30L 9mm and and hk45c both light LEM. Round counts are 11000 and 14000 respectively. Only 'failure' has been two ruptured o-rings on the 45c.
On the other hand my P2000 broke its sear spring after only like 1800 rounds.

>>34151739
>HK
>not rated for +p+
Show me proof

in terms of durability, I think the usp wins because the lack of interchangeable back and side straps held in by a single roll pin.

in build quality, my usp trigger out performed my p30 trigger, but the p30 has front serations and a slimmer more aggressive slide

I dont know what to tell you.

>>34152254
>+p+
This could literally mean anything. Someone could load a 9mm up to case capacity, shove a 147 bullet on top and it would technically be +p+. Shit is a liability nightmare

>>34151608
INB4 Racism and frogposting

>>34152392
That's not even why it's more durable though

>overbuilt slide, designed specifically for 40
>dual recoil spring assembly>>>>>>>>plastic buffer

>>34151739
Wtf, the HK manual literally says the P30 has "break in" period of 200 rounds of +p

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Choices for based striker fired h&k
>vp9
Size of a glock 17, i'd rather just carry my 20
>vp9sk
Ever so slightly harder to conceal than a g26 but only 10 rounds


Why the fuck didn't h&k develop a vp9c? Chop the grip of the vp9 so the whole pistol is 5 inches tall and has 13 round capacity. Better yet, why does the sk only hold 10 rounds in the mag? Pistols of comparable size across the board hold at least two more than it.

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>>34152420
P30 manual. They all say that though. I know Glock does, but everyone ignores it. It's not recommended due to increase wear but it doesn't mean it isn't rated for it.

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>>34152420
Here's HK45. Lel. P30 btfo.

>>34152545
>>34152560
OP here. I was already leaning towards going HK45 + USP 9 this just sealed the deal.

>>34152545
>>34152560
Both are saying the same thing

>+p and +p+ does accelerate wear and reduce the service life

No one has been BTFOd

>>34152864
Good choice, I would choose USP just on superior aesthetics alone. Plus if you like the spidery grip you get that with the hk45.
Which will you carry?

>>34152907
Carrying the .fuddy5 of course.

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I had a USP Tacticool that was the most reliable gun I ever had. I love the USP, but I sold it to get a HK45 because I already had a HK45C and wanted to use the same mags for both guns.

If you're only going to get one, I would urge you to go with the USP.

If you're going to get the HK45C one day, get a HK45.

In the end, both are great guns. I'm taking on a regular basis shots with my HK45, as I did with my USP, at 100m with no problem.

>>34154731
What do you think about the HK45C? I'm also in the market for a USP 45 Tactical, but the HK45CT looks super appealing to me if I can get a conceal permit.

>>34154731
What'd you like more about the USP than the HK45?

I'm in the market for a tacticool fuddy five and I've ruled out the FNX 45 because I hate that grip, on top of all the ghost stories about their shitty warranty and squishy squishy memes.

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>>34154772
The HK45C seems to me to be more polyvalent 45 HK makes. You have a HK45CT ? You can use it as a full size gun, no problem, to carry it , no problem also. Is it a good compact ? Hmmm I think the mags it comes with are retarded for that purpose.
>>34154784
The trigger is just perfect on a USP45T because of the match trigger kit. The more recent USP45T don't have the full match trigger kit so I would recommend you to do some research on the years of the one you're going to buy. The look of the USP also is something very unique. When you rack the slide of that gun, it's like you're closing a huge bank vault. Also the 12 rounds capacity is really cool. I also am not a great fan of the finger grooves, though the checkering of the USP is plain retarded. If you hold the gun long enough, you get some marks in your hands.

In the end, the USP is the one gun I would trust if I'd only have to get one gun. It's stupidly reliable, mine ran through mud a lot, not a single malfunction, never a hiccup. The mags were gritty as hell, you could hear the sand and the dirt in the magwell, but they never failed to extract.

It's just one hell of a good gun, there's something almost poetic to that.

If you're going to get two though, get a HK45 and a HK45C. Both great guns.

Also with the USP you get that double spring guide rod that makes it the smoother 45 you'll ever shoot.

>>34152392
>single roll pin.

Yeah...they ride on rails. The don't just sit on that pin.

>>34154883
>If you hold the gun long enough, you get some marks in your hands.

Thats good, that means they work.

>>34154883
Also how did they let you get a .45 in France.

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>>34151608
>>34151646
>>34151739

P30s are fucking tanks
http://pistol-training.com/archives/2668

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>>34152545
>>34152560
I just checked the HK site. The USP user manual has a similar warning, albeit with fewer qualifications. The Mark 23 manual, on the other hand, does not say anything about +P in relation to wear on the gun. Here's the link; control + F "+P" if you guys want to have a look for yourselves:

http://hk-usa.com/hk-models/mark-23/

The only things it has to say about +P are bragging about how the gun withstood tens of thousands of rounds of it during testing and that the gun is sighted in such a way from the factory to shoot to point of aim with 180 grain +Ps.

i have a usp 9 fullsize
Is it worth upgrading the parts to a usp tactical

>>34154883
>The more recent USP45T don't have the full match trigger kit
Really? I've never heard anything like this. I thought that was always and still is one of its selling points.

>>34156534
Go look in the manual for the USP. Under the header about special options for the USP like the Tactical, Expert, Elite, etc, it specifically says that the Tactical does not come with the Match Trigger Kit installed.

On a related note, do any of you know if the Expert still in production? It's not listed on the HK website.

>>34156691
It's still listed on the feature on their website, it just says it's not available on the 9mm Tactical.
Did that get extended to all models and the site just wasn't updated?

>>34156714
No idea. For what it's worth, this is my source:

http://hkusa.s3.amazonaws.com/20140509153029/USP-Operators-Manual-05312013.pdf

Look at page 44 under the "match trigger parts" heading. I'm pretty sure t's as the other anon said; the Tactical uses some of the parts in the match trigger kit but not all of them.

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>>34156714
I think it happened in 2008, so yeah, big advice : buy one older than that. Or buy a full match trigger kit, it's the most pleasing experience you'll ever have on a DA/SA. It happened only on the USP Tactical 9mm or 45. What you get with the Tactical now is the match hammer which is fucking identical, except it has a "S" on it, you have the match trigger which has the trigger stop. That's all, means you have to change the sear, the hammer spring etc etc. Look it up on hkpro.
>>34154956
>>34154946
Sport shooter. Yeah, look at that, just found on the web :

>>34152518
What are you talking about?....They do offer a compact VP9!

>>34152487
No gun should require a break in period...I mean seariously! It's a life defending weapon, it should be ready to roll at peak performance right from the gate....no break in needed! If you bought a new car and ran into someone what would you say..."oh sorry, my breaks weren't broke in yet"...I mean seriously!

>>34157118
Yeah, well, they work even when not breaked in so, fugg off.

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I have had a USP9. Compact and a full size two tone USP45 and liked them both but the compact 9 was a little too small for my hands. I do like the P30 line and personally I like the grips better on the P series and the HK45 but the trigger is better on the USP's. You really can't go wrong with an HK no matter what series it is, they are all extremely well built and function beautifully but there will be the occasional problem here and there no mater what and it can be company series. HK has great QC but the random problem will occur no matter what series or manufacturer, HK or other.

>>34157171
Yeah, no shit they work Frenchy....but it's foolish to even print or say they need a break in period, you GFYS

>>34152907
>currently no know .45acp not compatible with HK45
>all HK45 pistols are approved for use with +p and +p+
VS
>+p amd +p+ not recommended for P series pistols
>both saying same thing
Are you too stupid to read?

>>34157004
Well according to the HK site, the 45 Tactical still has the match grade trigger. I think there's a new 45 Tactical sitting around a LGS here that I could fingerfuck. How different does the match trigger feel compared to the regular so I can check?

>>34157118
>No gun should require a break in period.
this is the stupidest thing i'v read today. Anything with moving parts needs to be broken in so the parts wear together. Even cars at the dealership have a breaking period

>>34157254
You can accord whatever you want to whatever you see, it has the match trigger, but not the full match trigger kit. I know because I had a KI USP and my dad a BE.

>>34154731
>USP, at 100m with no problem
I just started doing that with mine and it's fun as fuck.

>>34157323
Yep. When you do it, people just stop shooting and look at you saying "what the fugg, it's a pistol, you can't shoot it at more than 25 meters".

Yeah right.

>>34157228
you are omitting the operative component statement that is in both manuals, the statement is regarding the effective the ammo has on the guns.

The difference is, in the HK45 manual (earlier gun) they omit saying they don't recommended it.

Both can shoot +P and +P+
One manual omits a recommendation
One manual makes a recommendation

You are being hyperbolic and facile

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Forget that plastic trash OP and buy a real gun.

>>34155974
Tested the gun with +P. It doesn't even exist for .40.

>>34157004
Yeah I wasn't saying you were lying, I was saying that it is good for the pyramids to have some bite.

>>34158694
I wasn't implying that you were saying that I was lying. Wew, that was painful to write.
>>34158565
I'm not saying that the P226 in every form is shitty, but, you have to get yourself a Xfive for it not to be a shit.

>>34158565

>Buying post-Cohen Sigs

>>34158385
>omit
One says approved the other says not recommended. Are you fucking retarded? Just admit you're wrong and move on instead of making yourself out to be a huge retard.
>alcohol can accelerate death for all
>adults approved to drink alcohol, but keep in mind its dangers
>alcohol not recommended for pregnant women
Hurr durr both situations are equal. The doctors omitted to say pregnant women approved to drink alcohol. Seems like your mom drank too much while pregnant with you.

>>34151608
Comparable. The USP is much better tested/vetted though, it's been in use for decades now. Frankly the ergos on the USP just aren't to my liking(on the compact 9 at least), my hands feel a little too cramped by the fuck off huge slide release and the safety.

Would definitely recommend trying both before you buy.

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>>34158565
I second this. P220 > USP

>>34159745
Laughable.

>>34156534
>>34156691

One of the reasons I just went with a plain Jane USP instead of the TACTICAL™ version. If I put a can on anything down the line, it might be my FNX.

>>34158565
>>34159745
SIGs are a step above hipoint. You plebs are hilarious.

>>34157090
No, they offer the sk, which is a compact. The guy you responded to is looking for something in the range of a g19.

>>34160042
Subcompact

>>34157118
My USP had a break in period. Every sort of malfunction out of the box. Left the slide locked for a few days,then fed it nothing but +p+.

Now it will take anything I throw at it

>>34160404
I have 2 USPs, and I never had a malfunction other than some dud rounds from Underwood.

>>34151608
Why the fuck is the 9mm P30 800 bucks while the .40 is 600?

>>34160042
SK is a subcompact, the VP9 is a compact.

>>34160404
>>34160519
If he has the 9 it wouldn't be entirely unprecedented. They're kinda heavy in the slide and heavily sprung for a 9mm, meant to eat +p+ for prolonged periods of time without undue wear and all that. Sometimes they seem to dislike light ammo when they're new.

>>34160404
why would locking the slide for a while do anything?

springs only loosen after cycles of compression/decompression

>>34160542
VP9 is the size of a glock 17, what the hell are you on?
It has the CAPACITY of a compact if that's what you meant

>>34160525
Because nobody likes .40

The p30 isn't an updated USP. It's an updated P2000. Its recoil system and trigger design are more traditional.

The HK45, however, IS derived from the USP and shares more with that. Hence why it can take more than the P30 can.

>>34160612
I swear P30s weren't this expensive a few years ago.

>>34160638
Oh jee, I wonder from what gun is the P2000 an evolution beside the P8 which is a USP HMMMMMMMMM...

>>34160838
It's an evolution USP -> p2000 -> p30

I still like the USP the best

As many have said, it is an evolution of the USP series. There's a reason HK still makes the USP 24 years later. It's a fantastic design. I have 11 different HKs, all the models from usp, p2k, P30, hk 45 series, vp9, and a mk 23, and I still love the way the usp and usp compact shoot and feel just as much as the newer ones. The hk45C is fantastic, I have it set up with an LEM trigger.

>>34160042
P30 = 19
P30l = 17
P30sk = 26

I also get impressions that some pistols are large or freakishly larger than glocks but its not the case. Yes the grips on the p30 are bigger all around

Also, head over to pistol-training .com and check out the reliability test of the HK45. It averaged 25,000 rounds between stoppages, which is honestly fucking absurd. 2 issues the entire test, and one of them was caused by an out of spec replacement part which was replaced after its interval. It was also only cleaned every ~ 10k rounds.

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>>34160838
>HMMMMMMMMM...

Guy selling a LNIB hk45 for 700, but its a 2+ hour drive from me


should i do it

>>34161266
That's a good deal. See if he will meet you half way

>>34160973
>striker fired

>>34161266
Put on some tunes and relish in the anticipation

>>34160580
I have heard that, I have the .40 and .45 though so that may explain things.

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>>34160607
No its isn't.

>>34161346
>Hammer fired
>No safety or decocker

What was HK thinking?

>>34161713

P30 has a decocker.

>>34161394
How incredibly scientific
From the websites:
Hk: 5.41 inches tall
G17:5.43

Get fucked

>>34161713
I was asking for a striker fired h&k the size of a 19

Now fuck off

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>>34161736
Yeah, height is total height, they don't measure the grip length, which is what determines the ability to conceal the gun. HKs are taller because they have a taller slide, but that makes little difference when concealing.

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>>34159985
>>34159985
Are you seriously comparing Sig to HiPoint? I swear HK fanboys are the absolute worst. You cunts are paying premium prices for subpar products.
At least my Sig price can be justified by the materials used.
Fuck off back to Shitholeistan.

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>>34163164

Sigboi defending his pistol.

I hate H&K, but the USP and HK45 are literally some of the most durable pistols in the world.

Sig QC has been a joke for years, and is only a shadow of it's former self. They survive by idiots like you buying the 226SUPER GAY COCK EDITION WITH JIZZ TIGER STRIPE, and outsourcing parts from India.

Glock, H&K, Walther, Beretta, and CZ put out better pistols that current Sig Sauer.

>>34163164
>>34163379
You are both being fagots, stop.

i picked up a police trade in usp45 for under 600$. grip is a little chewed up but it is unstoppable. massive, soft shooting 45 that is more accurate than ill ever be.

match trigger was easy to install(besides that one spring you need a special tool for)

i have small hands and can still shoot accurately and rapidly without issue.

only complaint is the mags are expensive

id eat dennis rodman's asshole if hk would make a small g43 sized carry gun