Seriously, why does /k/ like this movie? I could barely watch

>>34140082
>white military machine = good, black somalis = savage animals
what more insight can you put into that situation without being a disingenuous liberal?

aside from that you are correct, its a shit movie, but a film's politics has nothing to do with its quality.

The obscure-but-brilliant BBC animated series Monkey Dust parodied that movie pretty well a few years ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VovRTt0hAPk

>>34140102

Im not even sure what youre trying to say here? A films politics has a lot to do with its quality...

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>>34140082

In case anyone is wondering, here's some good insight into some of the disengenuous aspects of the movie.

http://preserve.lehigh.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1006&context=cas-lehighreview-vol-12

Really i cant see why anyone other than 14 year old wanna be soldiers without any historical context would like this movie.

Bad bait thread. Stick to truck gun threads kid

It's good seeing our boys shooting demonic niggers.

No need for anything other than that.

It's what we should do at homes.

>>34140138
in what way?

>>34140082
>overall it made the US seem clumsy if anything

NOT LIKE REAL LIFE OR ANYTHING

>>34140138
Basically it's portrayal is accurate and you're acting like a Liberal

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>>34140211

So criticizing a shit movie is bait now? Just because it has guns and muh army doesnt make it good.

>>34140234

Like being blatantly politically motivated to a point of deliberate untruthfulness sours the whole movie and detracts from any actual heroism that may have taken place.

>>34140278

But its portrayal isnt really accurate. I can submit that the tactical movements of the army chalks and what helicopters, units went down is generally accurate but in terms of the why the mission took place it wasnt. The link i posted above discusses how much of the famine pre-dated Aideed and there were several military factions competing for the country, not just a single warlord despot.

>>34140286
Except it wasn't deliberately untruthful. The Somalis were indefensible and the movie does it's best to give them some common ground with the guy taken prisoner. That's honestly a lot given the source material.

They aren't all just good ol' boys and there's plenty of dick measuring between Rangers, Marines and Delta. Not many of the actual guys in the battle were worth portraying as villainous or whatever the fuck you want them to be, and there's even a Liberal like you with a sympathy for skinnies who gets called out by his buds.

>>34140323
A single warlord makes for better film and doesn't detract from the accuracy enough to warrant complaint. Why the mission is taking place doesn't matter as the mission taking place, as it's largely about the guys involved in it. Their heroism isn't ruined or whatever you said, as the two guys going in for the wounded helicopter pilot is both memorable in real life as it is in the film.

Honestly, it's next to impossible to get what you're asking for out of a film, and still have it be watchable or not a documentary.

>>34140384

I appreciate your response. I made mention to some of the things that i thought were being disingenuous that detracted from the movie, but really for me it wasnt a very enjoyable movie to watch. I dont mean that in a 'i want a carefree happy movie' way but that the battle scenes seemed really drawn out and the tempo really broken up. For example, the two machine gunners getting left behind and breaking up the progression towards the crash site. Also, for being such an expose of the particular battle of mogidushu with so much screen time, it was really hard to follow the movements of the different chalks and where the humvees were going. Combined with such long pauses helping the wounded out in the middle of the streets and skinnies shooting from every rooftop but missing most all their shots and the troops being perfect shots i wasnt able to suspend my disbelief. I say all this that i havent read the book but it just seemed like a lot of unnecessary screen time spent running down streets, firing blindly and having last words with the wounded.

>>34140538
Glad to hear, no problem.
I understand, but for me it being unenjoyable to watch is more of a subjective issue than an objective one. I can watch '50s B&W foreign films with only talking and very little action despite being in the genre, and be incredibly entertained.
For example I loved the plot of the two machine gunners left behind. Aside from the helicopter stand, it's one of the parts I remember fondest about the film. Mainly the isolation and lack of command or order was a good change of pace in my book.

Oh, I can definitely understand the movement confusion. I'd wondering where they were heading to often times myself. I don't have a defense for it.

As for the skinnies missing, honestly for me stuff like that doesn't bother me as much after reading up on actual operations and battles with results that would be deemed unrealistic if in a film, Operation Eland being an example, as well as the many WWII stories of crazed feats like soldiers bolting straight through enemies lines untouched.
Stuff like mediocre aim (Americans were still hit, and they were the ones hit in the actual battle) doesn't suspend my disbelief, only if the enemies never hit the protagonists or something like that, or incorrect weapon/vehicle usage, which isn't an issue in the film as you admitted. But I guess that's subjective, a lot of people have issues with that scene in Band of Brothers that I referenced above as an example, saying it's unrealistic or unlikely despite it actually happening. It's an issue I don't share.

I see where you're coming from, but I think this is more of a disagreement on what makes a military film good as opposed to the film actually BEING "shit". Disliking films is fine, even if others do. Each their own. I definitely don't find it flawless, but it's one of the better done military films in recent memory.

"Do not think that because I grew up without running water that I am simple, general. This is civil war. This is our war. How many Kansas white boys have to die before you realize this?"

Mmm yes. So shallow.

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>>34140082
>Every soldier is some good ole boy fighting the good fight.

IIRC that was the common sentiment at the time. We saw ourselves as helping, although the rest of the world didn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u3Ux6ky57Y

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>>34140538
>war is confusing
>elite Americans hit what they aim at
>drugged African militia miss a lot

>this hurts my disbelief

Have you read what you're typing or are you this retarded all the time?

>>34140108
I remember those tv spots of the people doing Ti-Chi on the top of a building

>>34140191
>Really i cant see why anyone other than 14 year old wanna be soldiers without any historical context would like this movie.

We watched this movie about once a week in Iraq. It's a damn good movie.

I liked BHD but I didn't like Act of Valor.

>>34140108
That was 6 minutes of my life I'll never get back.

I'm not surprised this was aired by the BBC.

movie made delta dudes appear utterly lost and incapable

>entire movie is operators removing kebab
>doesn't have to waste time with character development, intense story, romance, etc
>90's asthetics
>most of screen time is pure action

BHD is /k/'s wet dream

>>34140108

is the voice actor of 'coach' the same as sawyer from WiC?

>complains about the one or two idealistic soldiers
>not realuzing that part of the film's thematic argument was commentary about the absurdity of idealism in the face of the reality of war.
It wasn't even that subtle, man. It's not very poignant, either, but it's still there.

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>>34140082
>Seriously, why does /k/ like this movie?
>I could barely watch the battle scenes and military cliches in this war movie

>>34145709

But thats why it was so cliche. It wasnt even idealistic, it was just 'muh army of one' type recruiting bullshit. The guy didnt come off as someone with lofty ideals, just a pansy who can barely think for himself (which is realistic, but not worthy of a major motion picture). The only character with some depth seemed to be the infantry colonel and bana's character.

>>34145709
/k/ somehow manages to be more dense when it comes to critiquing and comprehending movies than even /tv/. That's seriously saying something.

>>34140538
>skinnies shooting from every rooftop but missing most all their shots and the troops being perfect shots i wasnt able to suspend my disbelief.
Holy shit you're genuinely retarded, you dense motherfucker. Someone actually has a hard time believing drugged up impoverished inbreds from a third world shithole that don't even bother to aim their rusty AKs most of the time have issues hitting and that Delta and Rangers are accurate. What an absolute cockholster of a human being you are.

>>34145984
>Battle that pits a few hundred men vs thousands of untrained militia
>casualties are 19 for the Americans and around 1000 for the skinnies, the vast majority of the latter being inflicted by small-arms
>it's almost like a glaring disparity of marksmanship existed
>OP apparently wants these facts handwaved so the movie can fit his ideals of what is "realistic"
contrarianism really is a cancer.

One really interesting thing about the movie was the character of Grimes (Ewan MacGregor) was altered from his real name from Specialist Stebbins who was convicted of molesting his child daughter but was changed to protect the army's reputation.

>>34145962
There's not much to critique, though. The film attempts to give everyone a character moment where they either realise or explicitly debate why they even got involved, but beyond that it's like a jumbled up formal report of what happened with exaggeration of the action.

Attempting to criticize a film like this as great literature doesn't really work. When you go get fast food, do you pay attention to the way the food tastes or do you eat the damn burger and be glad it has any flavor at all?

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>>34140082

The soundtrack is fucking brilliant.

The uniforms and gear are aesthetic as fuck (we should have never changed out of it Tbh).

And we get to the see the M16A2 and Colt Commando in all its glory, what's not for /k/ to like?

Also, they made the movie before 9/11, it just by sheer coincidence was released a mere two months afterwards.

>>34146050
He's just another 'tard who doesn't realize he's a 'tard and makes an absolute fool of himself. Sad, but standard for the internet.

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>>34146050

>army bootlickers coping this hard

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>>34140082
I knew 2 people, one former delta and the other Peace Corps. Both polar opposite as people and politically. But thry agreed on somethibgs, like this film. This is one of the few war films that is both accurate to the specific event and represents the full picture perfectly. At no point does the film support the intervention abd at multiple points it blatantly demonizes it. You are one of 3 things: a shitposter, a europoor, or a college liberal.

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>>34146217
>being this much of an edgelord
Why the fuck are you on this board?
Fucking summer /k/

>>34140108
my god because Somalia was so well run and pleasant please you ever heard the stories place was sordid hell hole and oh yeah task force ranger was small outfit when 1st marine division (division 25,00) where their where no problems but we pulled them out because you know Clinton

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>>34146237

Well they kinda do go out of their way make Aidid the bad guy (he was no worse than the Somali militias we were allies with, he just happened to be the most powerful and the one that pissed us off) but every other point you made is correct.

Black Hawk Down was one of the few instances of continuous action movie-style combat took place on part of the terrain (a dense population center) and the combatants (US Special Forces trained for urban combat vs Somali militia, who while motivated were did not have 1/100th of that training and suffered dearly for it).

>>34140082
We like it because they murder a fuck ton of blacks

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>>34146257

Fucking Slick Willy. Couldn't run a proper war if his own life depended on it.

We should've reelected H.W. Bush, at least he had some idea on what the fuck he was doing during Panama and Gulf War 1.

>>34146302
They do change what happened at some parts. Ewans character was already mentioned but the part where the militia is shooting recoiless rifles at them during the night never happened.

>>34146330
What we need:
>Panama war film (for the love of got no liberal director plz)
>Rhodesian war
>a comedy about the Aleutian islands campaign

>>34146356

Well yes, they wanted to showcase some night fighting and they were kinda obliged to change Obi-Wan's character's name since he was convicted of rape and all that.

They did also condense some of the characters (much of Eversmann's experiences in the film are based off Tom DiTomasso's), but that's understandable for movies.

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>>34146440
Still, better than most

>>34146531

>Pearl Harbor

Don't even fucking remind me that movie exists.

Literally the scene where the Jap pilot writes his father telling him that he considers it an honor to die for his country has better character development than the rest of the film put together.

I felt more sympathy for that Nip son of a bitch than I did any other character in the film.

>>34146709
Worst art is they got real jap aircraft for the film, something Tora Tora Tora couldn't even do.

>>34140108
They're really scraping the bottom of the barrel for content.

>>34140082
>I care what someone who watched Blackhawk Down for the first time in 2017 thinks

Ahh yeah. Who gives a shit what you think. If millennials are 80's and 90's kids we need a new name for America's next 2000 2010 abortion babbys, because you numales are cancer.

>>34146531
>tfw that poster is better than the movie. The Nips storylines were better than the Americans.

I like the movie. It portrays soldiers fighting and surviving against rather sickening odds, and depicts an actual battle with some accuracy. Does it lay on the 'our honest likeable boys at war' cliche a bit thick? Yes. But it is a movie. I remember the real event somewhat, and the image of dead American soldiers being dragged through the street was pretty ugly - and a meaningless sacrifice. The movie does not give the deaths any more meaning but those who were there at the time may have gotten more of the respect they had earned by this movie.

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>>34146370

This

I want to see US Army Rangers and 82nd Airborne fight their way to the Comandancia and have a room-to-room shootout.

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>>34140082
Try reading the book it was based on. The Somalis would do shit like have a guy with an AK lying in the middle of the street shooting at you while his wife and kids sat on and around him. They're fucking savages to begin with.

>>34148885

Most shocking part of the put was where Sgt. Struecker was forced to shoot a woman holding a baby after she pointed a 1911 at him and all he could think about was "I hope I didn't hit the baby".

>>34140538
>it was really hard to follow the movements of the different chalks and where the humvees were going
>skinnies shooting from every rooftop but missing most all their shots and the troops being perfect shots
That is how it actually was. Bowden's book is 100x better than the movie (because it is a book) and avoids the more motarded Murica Hollywood stuff. It becomes apolitical once the shooting starts anyway, it degenerates into a mere fight for survival. Lastly, your boy Clinton was the one who had the US involved in that shithole, you seem to have forgotten that. Then he pulled out the Marines and let the city descend into chaos again with only a token force of Rangers left behind who were only allowed to go in and do quick strikes because liberals have this retarded obsession with their misconception of limited warfare.

>>34146370
>Reno 911'esq Rwandan and Ugandan dick measuring contest in Kisangani

>>34146185
The hero of the War in the West speaks the truth.
>Now take off that trip, you are not worthy.

>>34146834
It's like they are all gay or something, I just cannot fathom how they can be so effeminate and weak willed as a whole

>>34146370
A comedy about the Aleutians would be really disrespectful, those guys went through some real shit and no one cares. Now a movie about one of their native scout/ guides/ trackers/ meatmakers would be awesome and would jive with the libfag trend of "muh untold histories of muh pet minorities", so it would be more likely to get made.

>>34146531
I remember a scene where a battleship at pierside was capsizing. Some idiot had the CGI model rotate around the waterline- naking the far side of the battleship rise into the air.
I stopped watching there. Kate Beckinsale wasn't enough to keep me in my chair.

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>>34140082
>I think its pretty clear that being released in 2002 post 9/11 its propaganda


The movie was in preproduction for years.
Filming began in March 2001 and concluded in late June.

>>34146531
From the trailer I expected ID4 with Japs... Went to the movies and got some love triangle bullshit and like 20 minutes of action.

>>34140082
fuck off back to /r/guns niggerlover

>>34150676

I always thought Admiral Yamamoto was deserving of his own movie (centering around his travels in the United States and the run-up to Pearl Harbor). His life almost reads like a tragedy. Only other Axis officer I ever felt that way about too was Gunther Lutjens.

>>34140082
>Basically, white military machine = good, black somalis = savage animals.

So you mean to say that it's realistic?

>>34154130
Japs did make one for him.

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>>34140082
Did you actually read about Operation Gothic Serpent and the book by Mark Bodwen? also Remember this is Hollywood and when compared to other war films there isn't even a hint of politics involved. Not sure where you're getting this white military machine is good message. Stop listening to SJW bullshit for once.

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>>34154530

The Book was vastly superior Tbh. The accounts of the fighting from the Somali perspective are just as gripping. I'm glad the movie got me interested enough to read it and other papers about the Somali Civil War. Unfortunately, most Americans are too fucking lazy to expand their intellect in such a manner.

>>34140228
Somalis are subhuman trash. Wish we had just wiped them all off the map.

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nigga plz

>>34154817

They need to fucking remake that game already. In CryEngine 3. Or at the very least, the CoD4 Engine.

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>>34154817

Add some weapons customization options too.

I want my autistic desert painted CAR-15 with M203, Colt 4x20, and KAC suppressor already.

>>34140082
OP sounds like a commie hippie cuck

>>34140082
It's a film based off a novel that was entirely focused on exactly that stuff; fast action, violence, the stress of battle. The movie is true to the book.

>>34154928
>It's a film based off a novel that was...

It's a film based on a book based on a series of feature news articles about an actual event... not a novel m8

>>34140082

Are you a 16 year old woman?

>>34140082
>white military machine = good, black somalis = savage animals.
It's white only because it's under UN colors.
The pakistani/malaysian relief collumn does appear in the movie.

But yeah, it's not a good movie.

>>34154130
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1932695/

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>>34146330
This picture is great; l-r:
>Roof gunner thinking about how much pussy he's gonna get when gets back home
>Pvt Joker just got done drawing a dick on the wall
>"Charlie's in the trees! R-r-right guys?"
>Better look cool for combat camera

>>34154570
Never mind I have no idea what I'm talking about.
YOU GUYS WANT TO SEE HOW MANY RUBBER COCKS I CAN STUFF DOWN MY THROAT?

>>34146185

Yeah the soundtrack and the 90s aesthetic makes the movie for me.