Why were Americans too retarded to build an field a decent SPAAG?

The U.S. is not on the mainland EurAsian continent. We don't need to become involved in a conflict until we get air superiority.

Its also why we have 11 aircraft carriers.

>>34134306
>Aircraft carriers
>relevant

>>34134310
Points out so called problem in Merican warfare by shittalking the 11 thing's that solved it better.

>>34134244
>decent SPAAG
>"up sized minigun"
first of all, you're already retarded.
second of all, into M163 VADS.
>>34134310
what?

>>34134310
>force projection
>relevant

this is yet another reason Merica is the only superpower.

>>34134244
Until the Russians invent some giant laser turret that fries oncoming aircraft from thousands of miles, or they discover what tesla and his tower that can put down every plane in a giant radius, America will rely on aircraft and will not get involved in a land war unless they own the skies.
AA for US of A is useful only as in air to air missiles, there is no need for anything else.

You need SPAAGs if your air force is garbo

>>34135744
This

No plane ?
Go for the 2nd best : a SAM system
If you lack money, go for a russian SAM system

Because manpads are superior to SPAAGS.

>>34135906
wrong

>>34136383
>longer range
>higher pk
>smaller footprint

The only reason SPAAG's are seeing a resurgence of interest is that they are cost effective for countering UAV's.

>>34136724
>The only reason SPAAG's are seeing a resurgence of interest is that they are cost effective for countering UAV's.
>30/35mm guns
>Effective against unmanned aircraft normally flying at 30k ft
Be quiet.

>>34136762
>cheap quadrotors fly at 30k feet

>>34136383
Right.

>>34136724
>SPAAG's are seeing a resurgence

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>>34136724
>>34136887
how about both

>>34136903
Try quoting the whole sentence.

>>34134244
>use a gun to shoot down aircraft

yeah, ww2 called, they want their genious idea back

>>34136867
>There are SPAAG being built to destroy cheap quadrotors made by sandniggers
Who the fuck else uses tiny drones?

As much as I love our Stormers, I can't help but get a twitch in my loins at the thought of a Challenger 2 Marksman variant.

AAA is the red headed stepchild of the us army.

We had a hmmwv based AAA solution. Had a turret with m2s and stingers. We also have some radar guide miniguns on M113s.

>>34136987
Try paying attention to every armed conflict in the last 5 years.

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>>34134244

>>34137058
They're actually updating the Avengers fyi

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>Couldn't they have come up with the whole up-sized minigun + radar some time during the Cold War

They did.

>>34136987

Actually there are quite a few countries who have either recently acquired small drones or about to.

For example here (Funland) the chosen small UAV is Israeli Orbiter 2. Three meter wingspan, typically flights at 300 - 800 meters up to 3 - 4 hours. In addition of being used for intel they can also be used spotting targets for field artillery, ATGM etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fKvj1WcYS4

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>>34134244
>HARM Bait

Even the beet-niggers realized this was not the way to go

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Should have just went with this.

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>>34137141

>SPAAG

that's a funny way to spell auto-cannon equipped infantry support vehicle

>>34135735
BELKA DID NOTHING WRONG

Has the ZSU-23-4 ever shot down a western fighter? They've been blown up a lot by them at least

Because US Army Air Defense operates hundreds of Patriot batteries, which are far better at the AD role.

>>34137344
Probably in Vietnam

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>>34134310
>>34134310
>>34134310
>>34134310
>>34134310
>>34134310

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>>34136952
>>34136952
>>34136952


>genious

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>>34134244
We tried, but the military-industrial complex fucked up so badly it killed any further attempts.

You don't need dedicated SPAAG's anymore
All you need is all your normal vehicles to receive tracking data through the networking, and be able to elevate their guns to fire at the aircraft.

Imagine a group of 14 abrams tanks, elevating their guns, and firing guided airburst rounds

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>>34137187
>Beet niggers

>>34137804
It boggles my mind how they managed to fuck it up so badly.
Tried and reliable chassis and engine plus good tried and true 40mm L/70 guns.
That they could not unfuck the radar which was by no means a bad radar is astounding.

>>34137224
Great, now my keys are all gummed up with cum.

>>34134310
haven't they been used and been used effectively since their arrival on the battlefield.

Yet your gay ass SPERG hasn't done shit and is already outdated.

>>34137942
I have to get it out of my system every few months...

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>>34137141
>>34134416
First of all, Vulcan's M163 is still 20mm with the same effective range as the slightly smaller, 20mm M61, and had a search only radar, as opposed to modernised Shilkas and Tungs and Gepards and so forth.

So I ask again, why didn't they figure out a larger 30mm + rangefinder radar combo?

>>34138361
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIM-92_Stinger

>>34138361
Why would we ever waste money building SPAAGs? Seriously answer the question

>>34138361
>why didn't they figure out a larger 30mm + rangefinder radar combo?

They did. It was deemed full fucking retard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M247_Sergeant_York

>>34138379
>falling for the MANPAD meme
enjoy no fire support/ECM/chaff
>>34138397
>installed Phalanx CIWS on ships and finding its really fucking useful against non-manned threats so we're putting it on a truck
wow maybe something less overkill would've been appropriate
>>34138404
the concept was fine, it was killed by the mil-industry complex. they could've just unfucked a few minor aspects of it and pushed it into service, a worthy adversary for the Hind

>>34137344
Its old as fuck to say the least. Then you factor in who was it sold to. But dont.

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>>34138433
>wow maybe something less overkill would've been appropriate

Get the fuck out commie. Anything worth killing is worth overkilling.

>>34138433
>enjoy no fire support/ECM/chaff

Thank you, I will enjoy my AFV's being proper combat vehicles instead of ad hoc fire support as well as having a far wider coverage for my units in the field.

>>34134244

York has permenantly put off any US ambitions towards making a SPAAG. You can have your superior dakka machine Russia.

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>>34138472
>dat CRAM

Welp...guess they're no helping it now

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>>34136921
>that is a very nice (not really lol) guns you got here, it would be such a shame if something bad happen to them.

>>34138476
>ECM/chaff
hmm.

>>34138397
>Why would we ever waste money building SPAAGs? Seriously answer the question
>>34138472
>Get the fuck out commie. Anything worth killing is worth overkilling.

hmmmm

>>34137141
>that cute little warning light

>>34138506
Things that don't effect an IR guided missile, but do effect a radar guided SPAAG.

>>34138610
>IR can't be electrotronically countered

lol

>>34134244
Americans prefere missiles

>>34138655
This, basically.

Just put stingers everywhere, it's more versatile.

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>>34136921

Also, checked
>>34138655
>>34138666

>>34138633
Name something that existed during the cold war.

>>34138688
non-electronic, flares

electronic, AN/ALQ-144 (& 147 & 157)

tangentially related, when is the pkk gonna release another Igla vid, they just smoked a heli 2 days ago?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0DYs1PBoVw

>>34138719
>ECM
>flares

fascinating

>>34138719
Dazzlers are not ECM, but they are an IR countermeasure.

>>34134244
>what is Avenger?

shttier the air force is, the more you should care about mobile AA m8.

Also US has invested loads of money on MD instead.

>>34135744
literally this

>>34134244

Americans suck at math.

You needed good math to program the algorithms used in the simple ballistic computers of those SPGs.

Russians, Armenians and Jews are the best at math.

>>34138770
>non-electronic
comprehension is what
>>34138793
they are electrical systems that interfere with the homing of the missile. what definition are you working with?

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We could've had the Gau-8 on a tank

>>34138806

By that reckoning China should be the best at SPAAG. As they are in fact, best at math.

>>34138814
>optical jamming
>ECM

>>34138837
To be fair PGU-13B isn't going to do anything to an aircraft that M56A3/4 doesn't already do with a more substantial weight savings.

>>34138865
>The AN/ALQ-144, AN/ALQ-147, and AN/ALQ-157 are US infra-red guided missile countermeasure devices (IRCM).

>An infrared countermeasure (IRCM) is a device designed to protect aircraft from infrared homing ("heat seeking") missiles by confusing the missiles' infrared guidance system so that they will miss their target (Electronic countermeasure).

>An electronic countermeasure (ECM) is an electrical or electronic device designed to trick or deceive radar, sonar or other detection systems, like infrared (IR) or lasers. It may be used both offensively and defensively to deny targeting information to an enemy. The system may make many separate targets appear to the enemy, or make the real target appear to disappear or move about randomly. It is used effectively to protect aircraft from guided missiles. Most air forces use ECM to protect their aircraft from attack. It has also been deployed by military ships and recently on some advanced tanks to fool laser/IR guided missiles. It is frequently coupled with stealth advances so that the ECM systems have an easier job. Offensive ECM often takes the form of jamming. Defensive ECM includes using blip enhancement and jamming of missile terminal homers.

I mean, there's splitting hairs and then there's splitting heads.

>>34134244
We don't care to build one.

>>34138893
The funny part is holding ECM against missiles as though a SPAAG is immune.

>>34138915
>optical guidance
ok

>>34138840

They are not.

Most of the developments if the field of mathematics come from Caucasoids.

You're a drooling retard repeating tired old cliches and you almost certainly know nothing about math (typical Amerishart).

>>34138932
>radar guided SPAAG

>>34138960
most have optical capabilities, especially Cold War era gear, allowing use against helos, UAVs and fire support.

>>34138958
Speaking of Amerisharts, remember when they did the math to turn a Russian's theories into stealth aircraft.

>>34138514
Different poster my dude. CIWS on trucks is hilariously awesome though. But still a waste considering how good our EW is anyway

>>34138980
Which is irrelevant when the subject was why didn't America make a radar guided SPAAG.

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>>34138999
The US did make one.

>>34138932
>optical guidance
>never hitting anything
That's why SPAAGs are radar guided fuck nuts, hence why they are vulnerable to jamming.

>>34138806
Yeah, Americans are so bad at math that they can design they are a leader in the tech industry, economics, and military weaponry.

Heh, totally not some anon shitposting on a board projecting his stupidity. Why would it? We're on 4chan.

>>34139009
stop posting this >>>>>34138361

>>34139012
Funny thing is that gun guidance is much more vulnerable than missiles to ECM. Gun need 3-D coordinates and range channel is jammed most easily. Missiles are ok with 2-D coordinates (direction) that always can be obtained (home on jam).

>>34138932
BTW all soviet SHORAD SAMs have optical guidance.

>>34138361
>>34139026

M56A4/5 and PGU-28A/B will do the job just fine against any aircraft it would need to engage so the "muh 30+mm" argument is moot.

>>34139012
bruh there are heaps of really neat optical FCS that will do the against subsonic, mid-to-low altitude targets

eg >http://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi/203mm-aa-gun-m55a4b1-hydraulic-computer-j171-fire-control-device

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>>34139103
>but only target speed and range to target in parameter are entered at the beginning of tracking.

>>34139065
Home on jam can be countered though, and not all missiles are home on jam, especially not those on a SAM site

>>34137093
thank you I love this thing

>>34139126
what is integrated warning system

>Americans intercept an ICBM in space
>Launch the Ford class
>F35 progresses
>w...what about SPAAGs? R..retards
I can smell the chink/slav/non relevant military power tears on you

>>34138958

That's why most of those developments have Arabic names amirite?

>>34138995
EW doesn't address artillery and mortars, which is why that exits.

>>34139960
Ah, shit you right. My b fampai

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>>34139715
You left out pew pew my nigga.

>>34134244
It's an issue of penny-pinching.

>>34137900
I want this, I really do, but I also want some dedicated SPAAG on the same chassis.

I challenge anyone to find a more psychologically horrifying weapon than the spinning barrels of a GAU-12 poking out of the most armored turret in the world.

You could even just park it on some hill somewhere and have it lob indirect fire at jackasses huddling in their mud huts.

>>34141668
[muffled BRRRT in distance]

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>>34138837

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>>34134244
>2K22 Tunguska
>The height of defeat for guns is 0–2000 meters
>The system uses the same 9M311 (NATO: SA-19/SA-N-11) missile family as the naval CIWS Kashtan which can engage targets at a range of 1.5–8 km and to an altitude of 5 m to 3.5 km

Vs

>S-400 Triumf
>400 km (250 mil)

Gee, I wonder which the Slavs would prefer now.

>>34137141
I always thought this little guy was more than sufficient. The main threat would be Russian helicopters. However, I always thought the Stinger should be pushed to the Infantry squad level and trained as an ASI like the Javelin.

>>34141731
>far away
>insurgents insurging and being general dumbasses
>"abu hajaa--"
>BWOBPOPOBAPAPOPABAPOPABAB POPABWAP PAPAP PWAP

>>34138433
>they could've just unfucked a few minor aspects of it and pushed it into service, a worthy adversary for the Hind

No, because the Hind or worse yet a jet would blow it up outside of it's kill range. What could easily defeat the MANPAD would also defeat this.

>>34141833
And we can saturate the battlefield with MANPAD. Major systems, not so much.

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pic related is all you need for AD. Can even shoot down drones the size of your keyboard (in b4 "but muh money")

>>34137344
I believe some F4s and the like were shot down in the 1973 Arab-Israeli War by them

>>34141796
They would prefer both, and a mid range system as well.

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>>34142068
Wrong
Everybody needs a Yugo sometimes

does anyone know when the fuck did this happen and how?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsNY9B7M1yk

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>>34136921
>>34138499
They're essentially the same CIWS systems used on naval vessels which are intended to shoot down ASM travelling at couple of mach's, just moved to a land-based vehicle.

They're being used in Syria at the moment, maybe or maybe not took down a bunch of those cruise missiles this year.

>>34141875
>>34141833

Isnt this exactly what the Norks do?

Are you telling me the Americans are Norks?

>>34144390
I would tell you to stop being a retard but that would be like telling water to not be wet.