Realistically /k/. Would an Army of Droids akin to the Separatist

>>34121937
We would probably build them to a quality more reminiscent of destroyer droids or Super Battle Droids, but they would be major game changers potentially.

they would be more akin to Terminators for intelligence before we could rely on them in occupation roles. unless they are remote commanded or semi-controlled by a human commander.

That said, B1 battle droids were super cheap by star wars standards, like the cost of an IRL roomba, and if we assume that their exoskeleton is at least Level 3A, the US military may be willing to eat the cost of them being clinically retarded.

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>>34121937
Sure, although until you can create actual sentience there would still be roles for humans. Infantry kill bots also wouldnt be humanoid, it would probably be swarms of 2 or 3 designs each optimised for a different roles.

>>34121996
>>34121937
>B1 battle droids were super cheap by star wars standards, like the cost of an IRL roomba
This, and they were shit out in the millions per month until the Republic (proto-Empire) started blasting the factories.

Also, before someone posts the AAT (the separatist hover tank) asking why a Droid tank needs Droids to operate, it's because it's a tank designed for organic operators, it's the Space T-90

>>34122477
the numbers at one point were ridiculous, like i think Quadrillions, which is what you would more or less need to fight a galaxy-wide theater over millions of planets.


But if each cost as much as a Roomba, and a roomba is about 400, and an AR is about 700 (lets round the battle droid to about 1,000 for all the gear and programming and stuff)...

A US soldier costs somewhere around 75k according to a cursory internet search, with Marines being claimed to cost 20k less (lets round to 50k).

So for the cost of one marine, you could have 50 battle droids.

According to this article: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-veterans-numbers/story?id=14928136

~2,300,000 personnel served in Iraq/afghanistan as of 2011.

Assuming each was as cheap as a Marine (unlikely), for those 2,300,000 it would cost about 115,000,000,000.

For 115 bn you could have had, by Star Wars math, 115 MILLION battle droids with basic-bitch ARs or even STENs or Hipoints.

That is more than the population of either Iraq or afghanistan.

That is enough to put an entire squadron on just about every street in the nation.

That is enough to bleed any enemies logistics network dry through sheer resource attrition.

And consider that these droids are even cheaper when they:

>Don't need pensions
>don't need a VA
>don't need replaced because they blow out their knees
>don't have families
>don't have medical expenses because lel you're crippled now by that IED
>don't become psychological casualties
>won't go AWOL
>won't do drugs or engage in other scandals
>won't come home homeless/jobless/no skills
>no GI bill.

You could afford a LOT of battle roombas.

>>34122630
This was why I loved the Separatist army. The numbers.

Why pay for real soldiers and all the shit which comes with them, when you could use literally 50 basic droids instead, which are about as smart as the average enlisted anyhow.

It's great for general occupation, because you could literally have 50 droids in every village inniraq/stan.

>>34121937
We might build them, but terrorists would still blow up teeny bopper concerts

>>34122704
The real advantage with the clones came down to training, versatility of the human form, creativity, ability to train/interact with locals (support militias) and that combination of ambition and inspiration that can lead to real surprise victories.

That said, they were losing by a fair amount by the end of the war, the republic was basically kept afloat via an in-universe deus ex machina (ie., Palpatine didn't want it to fail... YET) and magic hobos with laser swords literally martyring themselves to buy more time and victories.

>>34122718
if you built them to stop refugees it may be a bit harder to do so.

>>34121937
Clone army beat them

>>34123970
Not really, its heavily implied that they were losing due to UNLIMITED ZERG RUSH, with only the occasional breakthrough and victory holding the droids at bay. they bought time, at best.

Not that it mattered when the whole war was pre written from the beginning.

Why did they put jedis as generals even though a bunch of peacekeepers wouldn't know strategy anyway?

>>34124136
>Why did they put jedis as generals even though a bunch of peacekeepers wouldn't know strategy anyway?
Because everyone thought Jedi were some gods

>>34123970
there were a few million clones, the more realistic fiction has clone reinforcing local armies like Redcoats helping the territorials as well as republic conscript army being raised alongside the clones.

The same way stormtroopers are "elites" compare to regular imperial army units

>>34124409
Why didn't the republic do that

>>34122109
This does make sense. These types of bots if small enough can make their way through housing, and with something like a grabby-arm, can traverse rooms and spaces normally reserved for humans and human hands.

I think ethically we can't completely remove humans from the equation entirely. Just like we have drone operators today who have to gain permission to kill, and then actually "pull the trigger" so to speak, we'll probably still have operators on the ground. Not to mention, you're going to piss off the local populace when they just see machines marching down their streets; you need a human guy to knock on the door and say hi.

I've always thought it's going to be like a human walking through a park with a pack of trained dogs on a leash. They aren't going to shoot at anything until the human operator gives the go-ahead. Responsibility falls on human operator.

The operator probably has a rifle. Three smaller bots armed with LMGs and GLs, and two larger bots with one armed with a HMG, another being designated marksman with both carrying anti-armor like missiles.

>>34123970
Which is fucking stupid. If the Separatists could construct a droid army, then the Republic could have also. The latter probably could've made even better droids.

That's what we're probably going to be by 2050. Human pilots will just be replaced by UAVs, and the air will be dominated by which side has better constructed, more, and better Combat AI than the other.

With self-driving technology already here. MBT and IFVs will probably be autonomous too.

>>34122630

Don't forget that you can then just salvage destroyed ones, repair them and send them back out into the field. If someone's leg gets blown off by a landmine you can't exactly just sew it back onto another guy.

>>34124136
PR. If the galactic peacekeepers who everyone likes are leading the army people will respect it a lot more, especially as the Republic didn't have a military before AoTC so a lot of people would (rightfully, based on what happened) distrust it.

Plus, the Jedi seemed pretty much forced into the role kicking and screaming. All part of the plan.

>>34125161
>nigga u ever herd of ocs

>>34121937

Except that conventional war would basically be meaningless.

The only reason war right now between sovereign nations is basically a last resort is because nations don't like losing their own citizens by the ten/hundreds of thousands over something that can be negotiated over the phone.

Droids basically render terrestrial strategy useless. Especially when AI will be doing most of the planning. Like watching a chess game between two AI equally matched.

So unless Earth basically finds a good way of disabling or protecting themselves against them, nuclear weapons are probably the quickest and more viable ways to doing damage. Not sure how effective deterrence will be if the buffer zone of conventional warfare is removed.

Droids will probably only be useful against non-nuclear third-world countries. Not sure how many those will remain, because chances are they'll be subjugated pretty quickly.

>brits getting future hard-ons thinking about rebirth of the empire

>>34125159
>tfw you call an uber in the battlefield and its an upgraded BMP with poor English skill AI
>WHERE YOU WANT GO HUMAN SOLDIER I HAVE MANY PICK UPS TODAY

You're all forgetting the best part.

Automated factories

Droids building droids. You don't even need human workers!

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>>34125220
>Except that conventional war would basically be meaningless.

T. Treize Kushrenada

>>34124298
Meanwhile the Jedi did fuck all when Naboo was invaded

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Personally I like the Kill Command bots better.

>Robots running around with double barrel .50 bmg rifles.

>>34121937
You guys are thinking too big. The optimal way to wage automated warfare is using nanobot swarms loaded with neurotoxins. Anywhere out of cover essentially becomes a kill-zone.

>>34121937
Only if someone fixes their damned targeting AI

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>>34125375
Nanoswarms are a big fat meme, any chucklefuck with a flamethrower or microwave gun would erase them. They are incredibly susceptible to heat.

>>34125433
Neither those options are realistic for a swarm comprising of billions of nanobots. Besides, nanobots can be dispersed so that they're no even possible to be seen.

>>34125441
If they're dispersed at that level, they can be blown away by wind and congrats, you made an overly complicated and probably horrendously expensive gas weapon.

>>34125441
If it's only a billion nanobots, then they would probably fit inside a small bucket. A flame thrower would work.

>>34125375
Why wouldn't you just disperse non-persistent nerve agent via aerosol?

>>34125441
There are methods are raising heat in a wide area, you are massively underestimating how fragile nanomachines are, modern scientists still cant figure out how to stop sunlight from frying them. Some form of advanced air based chemical weapon would work better for what you want anyway, a better way to use battlefield nanobots is as utility fog for things like ECM and sensors.

>all of these confederates in this thread.
Remember a jedi is worth a thousand droids and a clone soldierbis a hundred droids.

>>34125258
the jedi were present at the battle of naboo. two jedi are enough to handle most interplanetary conflicts.

they were seen as gods for some damn good reasons.

>>34125255
he's not wrong.

>>34124136
A mixture of believing jedi were basically game-breakers combined with Palpatine deliberately wanting them to be put in harms way.

never forget, the purpose of the war was 3-fold.

1-Bleed the jedi dry and eventually exterminate them

2- set Palpatine up as supreme leader, complete with a massive army

3- break the galaxy down until an emperor would be accepted

>>34124409
they said there were 4 million "units" ready to go at the start of AotC.

this could be 4 million clone individuals, OR 4 million platoons/companies/divisions

>>34125108
they did at times. The clone wars cartoon features this quite a bit, Onderon being the first planet that comes to mind.

>>34125220
Quite opposite. Right now human losses are big thing politically. Most countries are not authoritarian and can't mobilize millions of cannon fodder. only specific countries and ideologies can. and news flash these countries are huge threat with conventional wars to the neighbors and "specific ideology" region is in flames. Robotic warfare changes war into business and brings it to every door. Moneys in moneys out.

Even more it bring proxy wars on the whole new level when you can't prove who is behind attack. Like in case of cyberfwarfare with its botnets.

>>34125220
One of the comics did that. The separatist Commander ended up glassing the planet because his troops were just droids

>>34123970
Only because of Pappy, had the war not been a big Sith ruse the Republic would've eventually been exhausted, the numbers were simply against them.

>>34125608

A thousand clankers can cover a hell of a lot of more space. You can't occupy a village with one jedi.

>>34126016
According to canon, the biggest unit on the field was a battle army, which is roughly 150.000 men.

If we are talking 4 millions battle armies, then we are taking about 600 billions clones.
While this would make a proper figure for a galactic conflict, it still fall short of the amount of droids the CIS cranked out.

Still, in the end, it's a space opera... and wars are won by ships, not infantry waves.

>>34121996
Half of the grunts we field are clinically retarded and they have to be trained and fed

>>34126871
that makes sense, and iirc the droid army outnumbered them 100:1 in b1s alone, so pad that number with other droids and irregular paramilitaries and you have a galaxy-wide showdown.

>>34126871
Also, formation statements, asides, the actual 2nd movie says that the clone army starting forces were 2million men, with 1 more million in production, which isn't CLOSE to enough

>>34125322

Look, less retarded version of MGS4's cow-walkers.

>>34126894
>jarheads
>oorah

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>>34122630
Fuckin this

>>34122704
I loved them because the CIS were the good guys.

>>34125159
Not sure ypu could say the Republic coukd build better drones, the Seperates were funded and backed from some of the largest corporations in the galaxy

>>34121937
We banned chemical gas attacks because it was too overwhelming of a weapon. I'm sure the same would happen for droids. Superpowers would have a seemingly unlimited capacity to produce these weapons while other nations wouldn't be able to make even a shitty robot. It also doesn't work out to our advantage too much, automation means people are out jobs, and think about China's production capacity... Their army of chintsy robots would outnumber ours.

>>34127746
i think the future of colonization is going to be stone-cold Skynet-tier bullshit.

There is FAR too much power and money invested in the current drones, and that will continue.They will get smarter. They will get deadlier. They will become more cost effective.

It won't matter how many IEDs the taliban plants if they are just blowing up drones.

It won't matter how many battledroids some African warlord blows up so long as the colonizer is willing to write the check; drones are cheap and have no family.

They won't become scared, or sympathetic, or care, or hesitate because you use women instead of men for suicide bombing runs. They won't abandon their post because ISIS is beheading people. They won't be taken prisoner, or cough up info because you torture them.

So long as there is an interest in foreign mining/resources, there will be a need for disposable, heartless, cheap cannon fodder. And militias won't be able to compete when the occupier won't hesitate to write checks for more robots.

>>34122630
>>won't go AWOL
the ones that do are pretty badass

>>34121937
With near-future tech, I can still see human soldiers being worth it over machines in earthbound warfare -- you put out the right kind of propaganda and engineer your economy just right, and humans can be had for free.

I think the biggest use for machine armies would be in spacefaring deployments of ground troops. Humans are expensive to send through space due to the need for life support. Their combat effectiveness, limited, due to their fragile consistency.

In space, drone infantry is the only logical choice for human-scale warfare.

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>>34126004
The Confederacy was right, all the boot licking Galactic Republicucks deserve what they got.
WHY DIDN'T WE LISTEN?

>>34125253
Not to mention the fallen droids would simply be used as scrap to build new ones.

>>34125258
That was before the Republic stopped being cucks though.

>>34122630
Greetings from /TG, we ran the numbers on this subject some time ago. A Naboo era B1 battle droid costs with loadout 2,300 credits, a civil war era one costs 2,700 credits (however it can fully self control). Please note that credits are a strong currency, having a purchasing power of about 2.5 times that of a IRL USD. They are like paying $7000 for a piss poor retard of a soldier who has the up side of having undying loyalty, low upkeep, and easy to transport.

One clone soldier with kit costs some where in between 67,000 and 80,000 credits based on some guess work. However a enlisted Royal Marine has £54,000 in training cost, officers have £120,000 in training cost, and neither of those numbers include full combat kit.

High quality light infantry does not come cheap.

>>34127746

Chemical gas attacks werent banned for being too good, in fact it was pretty much the opposite.

Gas works when people aren't prepared for it. When they are prepared for it, it doesn't matter one bit, wastes a bunch of money and effort and is about as dangerous to your own side.

After a while everyone was prepared for gas attack. They were basically immune. So as an actual weapon it just wasn't as useful as fucking bombing people. It was however, a gigantic pain in the hole since you had to spend money preparing for it and it left long suffering victims.

It was banned because it was incredibly unpopular with everyone (especially those old enough to see it first used when people werent prepared) without enough strategic advantage for anyone to want to keep it around.

No one bans a weapon for being too good at being a weapon. The weapons that tend to get banned are the ones that are unnecessarily cruel for no real gain (i.e. cause a great deal of pain and suffering when you could have used another weapon that just kills people).

>>34128591
Thanks /tg/ brother.

Lets revise then, $7k for a battle droid vs. $50k for a Marine

115 bn for all the personnel for Iraq/AFG (though the real figure would likely be higher, as pilots/officers/airmen/spec ops are much costlier to train) would still translate to

16,428,571 battle droids. Lets call it 16 million with a bunch of spare parts.

That's still larger than any army on earth, and about 8 battle droids for each personnel we deployed to the Iraq/afg theaters.

now, I DO think our personnel are, at this time, worth 8 of those battle droids in a fight. HOWEVER i'm not sure if the Taliban are worth 8 of those droids in a fight... At some point, quantity DOES become a quality.

I don't think anyone ever really looked at a battle droid and ever thought "high quality light infantry" though. They are a step above a mall-cop with a lobotomy, combat software, and a STEN. But for outright subjugation an endless wave of droids wouldn't be bad.

>>34128612
This.

Chemical weapons are disproportionately effective on civvies. Real militaries, especially back then, developed counter-measures and decontamination procedures. Is it a bitch to do? yes. Does MOPP gear suck dick? yes. Does it reduce combat effectiveness and speed? yes. Is it super-effective? not past the opening salvo.

Against civvies, it's basically divine retribution that will smite everything. Against people with gas masks, its a hazard, but one that can be managed with proper care.

tl;dr they weren't super effective once everyone got on the same page, could kill your own people, and didn't really kill people that much better than just chucking more boom-boom in their general direction once they were ready for it, and it makes you look like an asshole when a death-cloud gets blown off course by a light summer's breeze and suffocates a small town of people who had nothing to do with the war.

>>34128612

IE, shotguns in WWI. They pushed peoples' shit in the trenches. So much so that the Germans filed a formal complaint against their use.

Which made me realize, were the Americans the only ones that had a standard-issue shotgun in WWII? I've seen a number of pictures of Marines in the Pacific using them.

>>34128708
Call it just shitty writing (durr) on Lucas' part.

No first world military would okay a Star Wars Battle Droid into mass production. The performance standard of mobility and critical thinking would at minimum be between a battle droid and a clone.

Battle droids are good for formation combat like what we've seen during the Napoleonic Wars. Kind of like that retarded battle between the Gungans and CIS. We are NOT going to go back to that type of warfare; it would be a massive drain on resources and treasury. Not to mention the presence of an air force and armor that would completely disrupt it.

Look at:

>>34125149

>>34128460
We'd be looking at WH40k Necron force reconstruction. No waiting for FNGs to git gud, just vaccuum-factory droids mixing and matching parts and creating new legions on the field. Probably not 100% recycle rate, but close enough.

>>34128755
Syria's been using them right then kek

>>34128875
I really wasn't looking at it from a "battle droid physiology" standpoint, so much as a practical cost per unit standpoint.

Obviously, if the AI was napoleonic-soldier tier, that would get BTFO really quickly. Knowing us, we'd probably want them to be somewhere around Siri-tier before we even consider it (plus improved sensors and recognition), complete with an ROE for the various international laws of war, etc.. hell they'd have better luck ripping the AI from an FPS like Halo or FEAR and calling it a day rather than trust Star Wars battle droids. If they want humanoid at all they'd probably be reminiscent of robots from Boston Dynamics, with all the peg/hoof feet and stuff and mounted equipment rather than arms/legs outside of special manipulators. Kinda like the Hunters from Half Life 2 maybe, just a clearly specialized design.

I like to think the Gungan/Droid EP1 fight was more due to the fact that the Nemoidians didn't know how to fight and viewed it more like a brute-force chess game, as well as the Battle Droids being essentially guard bots as opposed to getting a "war" software package later (just my internal theory to make up for Lucas' writing). They WERE winning by the end until Anakin blew the core.

>>34128914
It would seem both sides are at various points, with very little practical effect on the ground outside of killing lots of civilians.

Hence why they are banned. If it doesn't kill what it's supposed to kill it's NOT a good weapon system.

A death star isn't a good weapon system if it blows you up too.

A golden gun that shoots a random person on the planet for a 1 hit kill isn't a good weapon system if it doesn't kill who you want.

A good weapon is precise, accurate, and does pretty much exactly what you want it to do, every time, independent of factors you CAN'T control or even account for, like weather.

>>34128902
Necrons are actually dangerous though, their basic bitch Gauss Flayer can destroy a Lemon Rust MBT, while blasters suck ass.

>>34126029
Holy shit we live in MGS4

>>34128190

Droids hunting AWOL droids

The circle of life

>>34123970
and then humans beat the clones

>>34126029
Unmarked ghost battle droids would be such a humanitarian nightmare that the UN would just collapse.

Africa would be fucking deserted because everybody other than warlords would be fucking dead.

>>34129045
They might not even be unmarked.

During the cold war, the UN was rendered more or less ineffectual due to the fact that the US/USSR/China/UK/France parties could instantly veto any meaningful security council act. As China and US start to posture, as Russia starts to reassert itself, expect to see this to be on the rise again.

It's not the UN will collapse, its just that people with real power will stop listening and make transparent excuses. Just like they did 30 years ago.

>>34128708
It gets even worst. The $7k figure is based off market prices before things like bulk order discounts or saying fuck it I will build a factory and buy a production license. Large deals IRl can net as much as 30% savings for the buyer versus the msrp of a item.

The "high quality light infantry" was talking about the best guess of the cost of rising and arming a clone trooper btw. It is in the order of $160K to $200K including a possible range of bulk order discounts that the republic got.

>>34129099
What's with the obsession with the UN? It was never meant to be a world government, it's merely a force multiplier to display a consensus among the great powers (hah) for maximum effect. By design it's not mean to do anything if anybody on the Security Council don't see eye to eye.

>>34125159
The seperatists controlled all battle droid production facilities

>>34128875
>No first world military would okay a Star Wars Battle Droid into mass production

Thing is that the droid army was the tool of a business association that did not have a real ground army before hand. The idea of it was to intimidate civilians and to threaten more places at once then a rather small but well funded planetary army could defend. The droid army was aimed at a number of client worlds of the trade federation that had armed forces of that nature. Basically peace time armies. To force the high command of said army to look his head of state in the eye and tell them " we can win but our civilian population will pay a high price". The droid army of that era was not meant to face down a strong first world military on their home ground.

Having said that it in universe large of military thinkers do call out the Naboo era droid army for being based on bad doctrine

>>34124136
Because the jedi were only ones with even some limited strategic knowledge and only ones who had actually studied warfare.

>>34125235
>Hey buddy. Having a good day buddy? Real nice no mans land here, real nice buddy.

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>>34128708
>Lets call it 16 million
>That's still larger than any army on earth
>laughs in slav

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>>34128591
Huh neat. So what do you think would be the average USD cost for a squad of these niggas?

>>34129262
Actually, it kind of was meant to be something like that originally.

Basically, we were all scared of WW3 being on the horizon. A stronger global mediator was needed.

We came up with the security council to HOPEFULLY reach a consensus on security actions. Originally, there was no plan for a veto. We (the US) demanded a veto. When we demanded a veto, the USSR demanded that THEY get a Veto too. We said "if they get a veto, Britain and France should get a veto too!" and the USSR agreed, with the condition that China would get one too (USSR was banking on China going communist, we bet that China wouldn't, USSR won the bet but we veto'd all attempts to move the veto power from Taiwan to China until like 1970).

Originally it was intended to be a lot stronger, and perhaps more importantly a lot of legally-binding agreements are based on UN-derived language. A good example is the Kyoto protocol; such a protocol could be legally binding if your domestic legislature agrees to it, and the language is heavily derived from UN works. Security Council mandates ARE legally binding as well, with the caveat that someone has to actually go out and enforce them.

It is a very subtle but important difference.

>>34129501
That and they have literal pre-cognition and a variety of force-multiplying effects (literally). The superhuman who can see the near future and has much higher than normal discipline is NOT a bad military commander for a largely peaceful society unprepared for war.

>>34129666
Currently, yes it is. And if it came down to it, we could afford still more droids than any number of slav peasants. The Russian population is 200 millionish. to get that number, we'd spend around 1.4 trillion dollars if the 7,000 dollar cost is correct (it'd be closer to 1 trillion if we were getting the cost down to 5k due to bulk orders) . Not bad for a 3rd world war when the US economy is about 18 trillion dollars!

>>34129688
That's a lot harder to evaluate, since they have some technology that we can't even compare (shield generators). We can certainly substitute dual SAWs for blasters, but shield tech isn't so easy. The closest would be some type of all-over Level 4 or 5 ceramic armor, but that would get pricey fast.

In-universe they were expensive to the point the Confederacy didn't use that many despite their obvious benefits. We could compare them to company-level assets perhaps. If I had to make an extremely wild guess, I'd say they cost as much as an up-armored Humvee or even an MRAP. So about 250-400k credits, or about $600k-1 million.

>>34128708
At that point a controllable self sustaining bioengineered organism ala tyrannid would be better, since you have less maintenance and if you can control breeding, a self replenishing force

>>34130503
I am inclined to agree, but I am not particularly well versed in 40K lore :/

>>34126516
But the jedi

>>34131552
were shit

>>34121937
>With the Creation of a Droid Army they will take our guns away.
How do you respond?

>>34121937
Yes.

>>34123970

They were only beaten because of Palpy the Puppet Master. Don't forget that they actually attacked Coruscant towards the end of the war, they can't have been in bad shape.

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>>34134464
I think we can manage some way around that particular stone in the road.

>>34121937
A droid army would not be used in a standing fight with another droid army. It would just be wasted cost for no strategic advancement. Droids would likely be utilized for lightning surgical raids against key infrastructure. In a war for land or resources, they could be airdropped into factories, government centers, population centers, and over key defenses where they would eliminate opposition in a controlled manner, allowing the resources to be put to use by the attackers. It could be argued that the defenders could use drones to hold those locations, but people will likely be faster to train and move than droids would be to build and transport.

I think droids would be most likely to replace the role of special forces and counter terrorism in the military.

>>34131552

Jedi were good, but not good enough to survive being drowned in figurative and literal metric-tons of Droids.

>>34121937
>Over 200 times that of a B-1 battle droid ~Wookieepedia Droideka Legends page
>/tg/ bro says B-1s range from 2,300-2,700 credits
>/tg/bro says credits have ~2.5x value of USD
>460,000-540,000 credits per unit
>$1,150,000-$1,350,000 per unit
Squad of four costs $4,600,000-$5,400,000.

That sound about right to the math inclined among us?

>>34134553
honestly, droids like that would be rolled out to aid (Australian) commandos or something along the lines of U.S Army Rangers. First in the door for breaches, pics off everyone in the room with computer processor speed, lays down suppressive fire to allow infantry to push/fall back.

Honestly a robot with the movement functionality of a B1, and then just a new AI Google could whip up in a week the government would fund it,

>>34134464
The advantage of a resistance fighting droids is you can still kill the leaders and generally don't have to actually engage the droids if you plan and fight properly. Breaking droids is essentially futile considering for every one you down it's a safe bet at least a few thousand are coming off the production line in a galactic scale war, possibly tens to hundreds in proper mass production here. While troops will be more or less unlimited the finite resource, the people commanding them, are certainly not and can be dealt with in a large number of ways.

Honestly the absolute best thing you could do to crush a resistance or rebellion as a user of droid armies is just keep throwing droids at them. They'll keep attacking the droids and lose people every so often. They'll run out of non-expendable people very rapidly while you can shit out more highly expendable droids.

>>34134548
Why not? Droids can hold land plenty well and actual military fighting can deal some hefty blows to numbers and logistics rather than dealing with the occasional few you'd lose from rebels. It's WWI but instead of the side with the most arty winning it's the sides with the most droids. If the other side has no droids and does not have the capability to field them you've already won and can basically just grind them into submission with minimal to no human casualties on your end. All you have to do is get your droids to push the lines forward which isn't that big of an issue when you easily have a full platoon for every man the enemy has. If I used droids for special ops I would NEVER rely on B-1s, B-2s, or even droidekas. The list is pretty much BX Commando droids and IG-100 MagnaGuards and that's it.

If the clone wars had not been a sith lord's power game and the separatists actually had good commanders they would have utterly demolished the republic even with dumb as shit battle droids. The CIS's biggest damn problem was incredibly incompetent commanders.

>>34121937
I think partly, namely that rich political entities will buy massive droid armies and take over smaller, poorer, less advanced entities. But I think that droid v droid wars will be nonexistent. In that case, it's more of a financial conflict, which will usually be solved by cooperation than conflict. There is no droid conflict that does not have a cheaper solution, at least between relatively matched opponents.

>>34134591
You could probably buy an earlier model Abrams for the same cost as of a few droidekas. Personally I'd be shouting FUCK NO at anyone who told me I should buy droidekas over tanks.

They were not scary because of their weaponry which is justifiably terrifying on it's own. It was the shields that made them special and so notoriously dangerous. And yeah, they'd be amazing for entry teams, though I'd still go with the almost certainly cheaper B-2 Super Battle Droids with a little extra armor plating added.

>>34122766
Bomber was 1st generation brit

>>34134745
if they're not white they're a refugee

>>34134749
What about germans

>>34135145
yeah, Germans aren't white anymore are they?

maybe there's some traditional Germans, but hopefully they've fled to Switzerland.

The battlefield will be observed via geostationary satellites and the drones microed by Korean mercenaries.

>>34134745

It seems that it's the 1st generations who are the dangerous ones.

Boston Bombers were not first generation but I believe they came over when they were basically 1-5 years old.

Berandino was 1st generation.
Manchester was 1st generation.
Orlando was 1st generation.

>>34121937
Wouldn't that just make droid war a background noise to special forces and artillery duking it out over human HQs and logistics?

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>>34135408

>>34134714
But their shields only block blaster fire, bullets and ARC EMP missiles would rekt Droidekas.

>>34134553
I estimated around an MRAP cost, so to me that sounds good.

>>34135716
We know that slow moving things get through, but in the Clone Wars cartoon Onderon episode a guy throws a grenade a bit too fast and it bounces off the force field, so anything faster than a softball pitch wont make it through.

>>34134714
they'd make pretty god tier base and point security though. But them being vulnerable moving is an issue.

>>34121937
Nah humans win but it has to be an army of genetically enhanced boba fetts

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WATCH THOSE WRIST ROCKETS

>>34136184
rockets and laser shotty are OP, plz nerf

>>34136184
That game was great

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>>34130128
Fair enough there is some early microwave shield technology in testing that in theory could stop projectiles though but it really isn't very developed at all.

>>34136206
CIS was over powered in general.

I wish game spy hadn't died, fun game even if the AI were clinically retarded.

>>34138564
>Fair enough there is some early microwave shield technology in testing that in theory could stop projectiles
bullshit

>>34138702
best they can do is generate a plasma arc with laser that creates a boundary between mediums which may cause shock-waves to largely deflect.

but to stop a projectile? nah. the best some electromagnetic gizmo could do is trigger a heat fuse early. but sabot would cut through that shit like nobodys business.

>>34121937
>EMP
>Literally disables an entire army

>>34138812
>implying tanks, aircrafts and other vehicles can survive EMP

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>>34134714

Can you install a droid brain into an Abrams?

>>34139100

they can though

>>34138812
>>34139100

Any military electronics would be hardened to prevent such a thing from happening. The most EMP would do is disable forcefields on droidekas, if that even.

>>34139150
>vehicles are alive

>>34134714
Isn't one of the weaknesses of the droidekas that they were completely stationary when deployed?

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>>34139237

Totes.

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>>34121937
>EU canon says that the battle droid blaster overheats, is fragile, and overall isn't designed for a non-droid user

What would a rifle designed for a robot army be like?

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>>34139809
>having the rifle separate
>not integrating it into the forearm

>>34128875

Even if that's their only way to really push an offensive, they're still useful to pad out a garrison and naval crews for when you need to automate something but still need that automation to versatile to fill other roles. After all, the B1 began life as a security droid and its adoption as a war machine was practically ad-hoc.

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>>34134638
Good point plus if you had a few extra shekels you could get a few IG-series droids to better lead some of your battalions of basic bitch cannon fodder droids and it might actually kind of work.

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>>34139614
>Isn't one of the weaknesses of the droidekas that they were completely stationary when deployed?
Not really but they're pretty slow unless they're deployed with heavier guns than usual which sometimes happened.

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>>34139932
B2s are truly Alpha as fuck.

>>34135716
Incorrect, they also block physical objects going at any real speed. Hence why rolling a grenade inside is something you'd have to practice as Saw Gerrera showed. The question is can your projectile punch through on KE alone?

>>34135761
That's pretty much what they did use'em for. Too expensive for frontline troops but not much better for base and ship defense, basically walking turrets.

>>34139141
Should be doable. Question is how effectively. The CIS did employ droid tanks. The NR-N99 Persuaders, the ones that have a single tread going around the whole body, for example.

>>34139614
They could walk but are slow.

>>34141332
>not much better
Ignore the "not".

>>34125235
kek

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>>34139932
>Give me an explosive solution, Deltas

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What if we gave them 4 arms.

>>34141399
right away boss

>>34121937
Realistically making a completely automated force is remarkably stupid.

If you want a kill bot that is completely autonomous, has the ability to counter hacking and overall EW, EMP shielded, and has an heavily advanced IFF system. You've just spent more money than recruiting, training, and maintain a human infantry solder over 20 years.

>>34142013
>If you want a kill bot that is completely autonomous, has the ability to counter hacking and overall EW, EMP shielded, and has an heavily advanced IFF system. You've just spent more money than recruiting, training, and maintain a human infantry solder over 20 years.

Citation needed.

>>34142013
In the long run, it's the only way to go. The physical bot chassis might be expensive or cheap; it can be mass produced of course; but not of that matters.

The big-data based cloud learning is what matters. Day 1 of the war, your mass producton bots are equal to an ordinary soldier. Day 2, they have the shared, refined operating experience of every bot in the theatre, more experience than any human ever. Day 3, it's drawing operational conclusions from those tactics...

The software is where the serious advancements happen. Hardware side, it's probably going to be 25-30 years before an infantry kilbot is practical. Aerial killbot swarms OTOH could be fielded today if DOD didn't care about polish or collateral.

>>34142070
Why the fuck do we need infantry killbot though?

For offensive purpose, aerial drones serve all the needs.

>>34142090
refer to >>34122704
Occupation and garrisoning.

>>34142103
I don't think bots are smart enough for occupation.

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>>34142090

Zap Branigan can defeat killbots. The humans will prevail in that engagement.

>>34142090
Nah, they don't.

A aerial killbot swarm is great for suppression and overwatch. It can fly over a village and kill any armed person it sees, then loiter and shoot down any new enemies while friendly infantry walk up.

That's about 5% of the infantry job.

It can't knock on a door, drink tea, search a clothes chest, fix a well, and then kill dudes inside rooms. If blind high-collateral damage was acceptable, drones wouldn't be a thing, we'd use nukes.

>>34142119
Sure they are.
I'm just not sure the civilians are smart enough to not get shot.

>>34121937
>>34142013
the stupider thing is bothering to make the robots humanoid.
>tankbots
>tankettes
>spiderbots for terrain a treaded/tire bot can't handle
>flying drones
>large flying drones
>flying shaped charges for anti armor purposes
>postage stamp sized drones with semtex charges that fly in a swarm and attach themselves to the base of the skull before detonating

pretty much a force of M249s on treads and cheap as fuck flying hand grenades would be a nightmare for a conventional army.

>>34142124
>It can't drink tea, fix a well,
Come on, infantry bots can't do that shit either.

Aerial bots can do all the remaining though.

>>34142145
I've been playing Nier automata lately, there's definitely a point.

What if humans are extinct but we need something that resemble humanity? Sexy androids are on point. For the glory of mankind.

>>34142145
>flying hand grenades
M320

>flying shaped charges
TOW missile

>flying drones
Raven (now with radio, to ~datalink~ and ~network~ to friendly artillery)

Non-autonomous drones are wrecked by basic ECM already in use today, which jams GPS/INS reception, the datalink, and the command link simultaneously (and burns out radios closer in). After the US gave some to the Iraqis in the Mosul battle, ISIS drone sorties dropped from dozens daily to <1/week. Russian EW had similar success in the Ukraine.

>>34142169
>the last human dies surrounded by sexbots and whispers to the new lords of Earth: "Worth it."

>>34142164
No, they can't. They can't even breach a door without explosives, which makes them totally useless. If you have to expend a flying hand grenade on every door to look inside, you have now lost that village. Might as well have bombed them with a 1960s 82mm mortar, it would work better.

>>34124136
The jedi CLEARLY had some form of military history and strategy training. They even came with glowing calvary sabers. The jedi order was literally made to fight the sith.

>>34142197
Even if we die, the beauty of the white race must live on.

>>34142203
I don't see how the fuck they can't just shoot the damn doors and swarm inside, shooting everything.

>>34138564
if they made a basic battledroid infantry the CIS wouldn't have been so bad. Make Droidekas function as vehicles or something and put SBD's where the Droidekas were, i'm not sure how that would work but that would be one way to address the issue.

>>34138768
IIRC, Lockmart and Global Dynamics partnered up on it and had been making some rather interesting strides.

>>34142248
Star Wars is a fucking joke, fucking wack ass walkers, it's just for cool, anon.

A real CIS army would be something like Supreme commander.

Combat, the nier automata way:

- android fighters with transferable memory
- have super strength and super speed and wield great weapons, supported by machine gun pods
- if shit goes south, can self destruct and nuke the areas
- they are absolutely beautiful

Best ideas of spec-ops, ever.

>>34142225
Because you don't always WANT to kill everything inside.

As noted above, if we were Romans or Assyrians who were 100% okay with just genociding the hell out of a place, we probably wouldn't even bother with drones or Small Diameter Bombs, we'd just MOAB/2k lb bomb/155 the absolute fuck out of everything we felt like in a cacophony of explosions that makes Linebacker II look like my little cousin's bottlerocket-based 4th of July.

You don't always want the flying grenades, especially if the grenades would be used around things that are fragile (infrastructure, civvies) or can't be easily replaced (your own people, supplies, HVTs, hostages, intel). Humans are very versatile things, may as well use them when a degree of subtlety is needed.

>>34142262
I'm thinking from a vidya balance perspective, i'm not arguing that they are actually a GOOD robot design or anything in star wars is super practical.

It's basically just Mechs in WW2, that's all you need to see it as.

>>34142324
In that way, you want human troops cuz they are easily more relatable to the durkas durkas.

Or sexbots with head crushing arm strength. Everyone love those.

>>34125149
>These types of bots if small enough can make their way through housing, and with something like a grabby-arm, can traverse rooms and spaces normally reserved for humans and human hands.
Like that police drone doing a sweep and rescue mission versus Robocop and being extremely efficient at it.

>>34142341
I think it goes without saying we should always send the Terminatrix sex-bots to do negotiation and hearts-and-minds work.

(distant mooing)

>>34142390
Imagine if instead of breeding more insurgent kids, we should let the durka durka fuck sexbots exclusively.

Genocide with a human face.

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>>34135761
>anything faster than a softball pitch wont make it through.
This made me chuckle.

>>34139809
This anon >>34122630 has a point, probably something like a Hipoint in 44 magnum.

>>34141233
It annoys me that cover and concealment are nonexistent in this game.

>>34142090
>lol why do we need guns when the military has drones and tanks
Sound familiar?

how much would a single B1 cost is US dollars you think?
assuming the galatic market is huge not earth market

>>34142588
We literally mention this in the thread. About $7000 dollars without any bulk order discounts for a basic B1 battledroid.

>>34142573
It's not similar because aerial drones are guns that can fly.

>>34142614
You're missing the point.

>>34142604
I literally have not read the thread yet.

wtf im now the owner of a company of lanklet moving targets
as is everyone else on my block

>>34142660
it beats a guard dog. At least the b1s will do menial shit if you ask them to and hand them a bucket and a mop

>>34142907
tfw massive unemployment but maximum African ((re-stability)) effort while sipping tea in comfyland

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>>34121937

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All they need to do is run on walls, punch through concrete, bend steel. Sure, they will be a little pricey but the shock value alone would make them pay for themselves. A few teams of metal motherfuckers who dont eat, sleep, or even breathe are all you need.

Of course, what would they be made out of to do those things? To wall run, you have to be light and bots are not light. Punching through concrete and bending steel would require tremendous raw strength. What is the ideal robot commando?

>>34142977
>the opinions of modern women
top fucking lel

>>34143081
watermelonium

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>>34126004
Is palpatine /ourguy?/

>>34143453
paplatine would be browsing /k/ with his fellow xenophobes

>>34121937
Wouldn't they be vunurablre to EMPs

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>>34144239
The Republic actually had to make a special sort just for them. I would assume a regular EMP probably wouldn't work otherwise they'd just use nukes (they exist in star wars) in the upper atmo or whatever other methods work to do that regularly.

I would be shocked if we produced war droids that were not heavily EMP resistant because that would probably be one of the most obvious first things to try.