Is there any good reason to own an AR? I'm not saying you

>>34103701
It is unequivocally the best platform commonly available for home defense, has legitimate hunting uses (I use mine for coyote and turkey), and the point of the second amendment is a military doctrine not just for fun shit. We have the 2nd so that our civilian populace has a private means of defence from a tyrannical government or a foreign invasion, not hunting or target shooting. The AR is absolutely the most commonly available rifle for this purpose in the US.

TLDR fuck off you ShareBlue shill

Because I can

>>34103701
SHALL

>>34103784
>We have the 2nd so that our civilian populace has a private means of defence from a tyrannical government or a foreign invasion, not hunting or target shooting. The AR is absolutely the most commonly available rifle for this purpose in the US.
The US government IS tyrannical, so why haven't AR owners "defended" against it yet?
>>34103809
There are plenty of other things you can do but don't.
>>34103825
Reread the OP and get back to me.

>>34103701
AR ownership reinforces America's martial culture while being useful for many other purposes, including recreation

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>>34103868
TL;DR
bad bait

>>34103701
Cause, It's spirit of USA

>>34103784
>Unequivocally

Little meme bullets too small for the army.

>>34103701

Why not?

ARs are gay guns for weak femboys.

>>34103868
Constitutionally protected freedoms are being infringed on all the time, yes, but we're not to that point yet. Also more public support would be necessary. I know the American revolutionaries didn't have the majority of the colonists behind them, but the number of people today who are willing to take up arms to fight for freedom is a slim minority

>>34103935
>AR ownership reinforces America's martial culture
Martial cultures is what you do, not what you own. Buying something makes you a consumer, not a warrior.
>while being useful for many other purposes, including recreation
If you just want to shoot for "recreation," a 22 would be better as both the rifle and ammo would cost less.
>>34103965
What does that even mean?
>>34104013
Because every tool must serve a purpose. I've never been able to figure out what purpose the AR serves that wouldn't be better served by something else.
>>34104023
>the number of people today who are willing to take up arms to fight for freedom is a slim minority
A very slim minority. Most gun owners are extremely complacent about politics. They will bitch and moan about it until the cows come home, but they won't lift a finger to change anything.

>>34104067

A 5.56 carbine is probably the best home defense tool available.

>>34104094
Really? How about a 308 carbine? With 125 grain bullets, you'd have the same sectional density and muzzle velocity as a 223 with 65 grain bullets, but you'd have about 90% more impact area.

>>34104118

.308 will over penetrate.

>>34103701
shooting communists in the event of communism

It's not a secret, this is literally what they teach you in school, even in LA.

>>34104128
Not with lightweight bullets. Penetration is determined largely by sectional density.
>>34104134
How is a government that tells farmers they can't grow corn on their own land to feed their own hogs not communism?

>>34104159

5.56 is still superior, more controllable, higher capacity, etc.

Doesn't really matter, a semi automatic rifle is the best tool for the job.

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>>34104014
K

>>34104176
>Superior

Until a bear or moose kills you because you bought into the 5.56 meme.

>>34103701
>Is there any good reason to own an AR? I'm not saying you shouldn't be allowed to. I'm just asking why you would want to in the first place. What is it FOR?

It's a brilliant multi-purpose platform that has a shitload of aftermarket parts available to suit any taste.

>>34104094
>This delusion

7.62 or gtfo.

>>34104128

And 5.56 won't? Come back when you actually own guns.

>>34104176
>More controllable

How weak are your fucking arms?

>>34104067

>A very slim minority. Most gun owners are extremely complacent about politics. They will bitch and moan about it until the cows come home, but they won't lift a finger to change anything.
Fucking this god dammit. Things need to go way further south before people go 'hey this shit might be serious'. I'm sure that will happen sooner rather than later though, given the current political situation.

>Brilliant
>Superior
>Objectively the best

Are ARfags the new Glock fanboys?

>>34104176
>more controllable,
Is 308 hard for you to control?
>higher capacity
What's the big deal about capacity? There are 308s with 10 or even 20 round magazines. If you need to kill more than 10 burglars, you may as well forget about rifles and get a belt fed M1917.
>>34104200
The purpose of a rifle is not to enable you to buy more products. The purpose of a rifle is to shoot.

>>34104118
>.30 cal is 90% larger than .22 cal
Well now.

>>34104067
To your first point, yes, but I would argue that a larger proportion of people who own AR's means a larger number of people who actually use them and understand their purpose. This is why I believe it reinforces our martial culture

>>34103701

All lawful and virtuous purposes.

Now git out.

>>34104274
89.0625% larger, to be exact.

>>34103701
I live in an a fairly large and dangerous city on the east coast that suffers from heroin addiction and the occasional chimp out. I have an AR for "zombies" if you catch my drift.

>>34104275
The overwhelming majority of AR owners have never and will never use them for anything more "martial" than punching holes in paper. Not that I have anything against punching holes in paper, but there's nothing martial about it..
>>34104276
Such as?
>>34104293
Best of luck to you.

>>34104176
>5.56 is still superior

So superior that a couple states ban it for hunting because it's not lethal enough

>>34104205
>I don't know fuck about M855

>>34104358
The same could be said for any martial arts training. If I never use my jiu-jitsu skills to choke someone is there nothing martial about going to jiu-jitsu class? I do respect where you're coming from, but you don't have to constantly wage war to live a martial lifestyle

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>>34103701
Now that the year is 2017 and everyone on forums from 2010 and later are weeded out with the meme ideas of the AR. Most problems are magazine related, when the spring loses tension to chamber a round half mag or so. 2010 serie USGI Improved magazines have thicker wire to not be disposable grade, in which they use to be before a dump pouch was standard. SR-25 magazines for the M110 are still pretty crap for 20 rounders. Now we have uppers with bigger ejection and reciprocating side charging better gas ventilation that prevents camber fouling. The AR is currently at it's peek development to handle multiple calibers, just like revolver frames.

>>34104446
Learning skills to be ready for a fight is worth something, but simply owning a rifle and shooting for fun is not the same as training for a fight. Not that there's anything wrong with plinking, but it's unlikely to do much for you in a martial context.

>>34104531
That doesn't answer the question. What is it for?

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>>34104445
>M855 for home defense

>>34104553
That's something I can wholeheartedly agree with. Good discussion anon

>>34104553
>Learning skills to be ready for a fight is worth something, but simply owning a rifle and shooting for fun is not the same as training for a fight.
even having a rifle and knowing how to operate it is extremely useful. you don't need to be pulling flanking maneuvers to stop jamal or a crackhead, you just need to pull the trigger.

>>34104567
you never know when someone wearing 10 cm of iron is going to kick in your front door.

>>34104594
>even having a rifle and knowing how to operate it is extremely useful. you don't need to be pulling flanking maneuvers to stop jamal or a crackhead, you just need to pull the trigger.
Yes, but what makes the AR well suited to that purpose? Wouldn't a 308 be better? How about a handgun?
>>34104594
>10 cm of iron
That's about 4 inches.

>>34104634
>Yes, but what makes the AR well suited to that purpose?
it's a gun?

>Wouldn't a 308 be better?
wouldn't a 5.56 work just fine?

>How about a handgun?
a handgun won't put down someone on drugs.

Shit thread kill yourself

>>34104647
>a handgun won't put down someone on drugs.
Neither will a 223.

>>34104666
yes it will. two shots to the sternum will do it.

>>34104671
Bullets are not magical. They kill by bleeding. Bigger bullets cause more bleeding. Don't take my word for it. Here's a trauma doctor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXwPtP-KDNk

>>34104684
yes, because the guy on meth, cocaine, and PCP is going to care about the fact that he's going to die of blood loss in 10 minutes.

a direct CNS shot or a direct heart shot is the only thing that will do it, and both of those are more likely if you have a rifle.

>>34104706
You don't understand. There's only one body part a person needs to live, and that's the brainstem. Shooting someone anywhere else will kill them by bleeding them out. The only way to kill a methhead faster (short of a brain shot) is to cause more bleeding, which is why bigger bullets are prescribed.

>>34104684
Bullets kill by bleeding but also can several limbs and destroy organs and bones. You don't need to kill, just ensure they won't be able to harm you. Killing is a irrelevant when the threat is no longer a threat.

>>34104734
>a shot to the CNS won't kill someone who is impervious to pain
you are a fucking idiot.

>>34104748
>*sever limbs*
Fucking phone I swear

>>34104751
It won't. Watch the video I linked where a highly qualified doctor says so.
>>34104748
For practical purposes, the only way to "ensure they won't be able to harm you" is to kill them. Even a wounded man can still shoot back.

>>34104791
>implying someone without arms can shoot you

>>34104949
>implying any sensible person would rather try to shoot both of a man's arms off rather than just put one in the chest and be done with it.

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>>34104988
Where do you think you are anon?

>>34103701
>varmint/predator hunting
>light-recoil round that can act as stepping stone from .22lr to a cartridge with more recoil for learning shooter and small-framed individuals
>the ultimate modular weapon system: want a lighter trigger, swap it in under 5 minutes; wear out a barrel, match-grade replacements are plentiful; hate the factory stock, thousands of 3rd party stocks to swap with; want a larger cartridge, you can swap to practically anything under the sun

>>34104647

5.56 won't stop a druggie either. Itty. Bitty. Babby. Bullets.

>>34105081
Worked just fine for 3 nignogs in Oklahoma

>>34103701
Put boolet in gun and it go boom when you pull trigger. Your welcum.

>>34103982
how many times has the army decided to change cartridges in the last few decades? And we still use 5.56

>>34105064
>varmint/predator hunting
Big bullets can do what small bullets can do, but not vice versa.
>light-recoil round that can act as stepping stone from .22lr to a cartridge with more recoil for learning shooter and small-framed individuals
What's the big deal about recoil? If a 308 has too much recoil for you, you need to see a doctor.
>the ultimate modular weapon system: want a lighter trigger, swap it in under 5 minutes; wear out a barrel, match-grade replacements are plentiful; hate the factory stock, thousands of 3rd party stocks to swap with; want a larger cartridge, you can swap to practically anything under the sun
Or you could buy a rifle that's well made from the factory and doesn't need aftermarket parts.
>>34105091
How many times were they shot?
>>34105385
Procurement officers are not people you want to base your life decisions on.

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Because it is the best infantry rifle ever produced.

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>>34105522
>How many times were they shot?
Not too many times i presume, dude if the 5.56 has enough velocity ie. close range or 20 inch barrel it will fuck your shit up severely.

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>>34104118
Because .308 will be much more loud and concussive than a 5.56mm (especially if you want it with a 16" long barrel, a popular length for home-defense rifles), while passing through interior walls like butter.

A light bullet like 5.56mm or 5.45mm can be given high speed and it gives it a lot of power, but it's easily stopped by interior or exterior walls. Even a lighter weight .308 loading will be heavy enough that it's a considerably bigger problem.

>>34104231
>And 5.56 won't?
Significantly less likely to.

>>34104264
>What's the big deal about capacity?
It's a nice thing to have, a 30rd magazine of 5.56mm isn't heavy at all and let's you engage plenty of targets while being readily mobile.

>The purpose of a rifle is to shoot.
And the AR does that excellently, the action is 100% inline with the bore, and it's radial locking lugs makes for a very consistent and secure lockup, combining that with the buffer giving it very little recoil, you have a rifle that's inherently very accurate, and very easy to shoot.
It can be made even more accurate by free-floating the barrel, which is easy to do, all of this while keeping the gun light in weight.

That it's easy to set up for furniture or sights that fit your tastes is just a bonus, I'm not complaining that I can get much more comfortable furniture for my AR than the generic A2 style.
If you don't see why the AR15 is a very smart design mechanically, then you don't really know or understand much about guns.

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>>34104421
Oh gee, some states also ban rifles for hunting altogether, they must be on to something, right, you fucking dillweed?

>>34104198
Not everyone lives in a place where that's even a problem worth considering, and those who do would probably bring a bigger gun for the job.
Not that you can't effectively blast a bear with an AR15 and live, it just won't die humanely, and you could probably get away with a similar outcome in the case of a moose (but don't take my word on that part).

>>34104445
The most mediocre load available commercially? You can do a lot fucking better than M855 for home defense, particularly given that armored home invaders are not only a statistically insignificance, but also that armor doesn't make you unstoppable.
Even M193 is miles better and that stuff isn't exactly the gold standard anymore.

>>34104531
Actually, the Army moved away from the idea of a disposable magazine in Vietnam, as it turned out to not be economically or logistically viable, and causing more trouble than it's worth.

>>34104634
>How about a handgun?
Handguns are statistically mediocre stoppers, if you want a one-shot stop, then a rifle or shotgun is the best way to go, and most likely to do so.
On top of that, a long gun is just way easier to control and use, pistol shooting actually takes some higher degree of practice in comparison.

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>>34105081
>>34104666
>muh poodleshooter meme
Have you seen what a 5.56mm rifle does when it hits bone? A good load can seriously give you wounding not that shy of an average .308

http://www.gunrightsmedia.com/showthread.php?415927-Stopping-power-weak-5-56-(explicit-pictures)

You take a 5.56 in the shoulder, you're not using that arm ever again, you take one in the gut or chest, you might just not walk again, or drop like a sack of potatoes because your heart is shredded and bloodflow to your body has stopped. You take one to the head and it'll blast out a good chunk of your face or brain.

>>34104734
>The only way to kill a methhead faster (short of a brain shot) is to cause more bleeding
And it's good that an AR15 can make you bleed like crazy.

>>34105522
>Or you could buy a rifle that's well made from the factory
It's already well made, setting your gun up with different furniture or free floating it is a matter of personal choice and taste, not everyone gets an AR for the same purpose and being able to change it to suit your tastes with ease and without having to buy an entirely new gun for whatever purpose is not a bad thing. Many people leave their rifles unchanged from the factory.

I'm a big guy, so being able to set up my rifle for a slightly longer stock and a pistol grip with a shorter grip angle is not a drawback for me.

>>34107140
Indeed he did, it was a 20" barreled rifle in an A2 style I believe, one of those old Colt Sporter rifles, pic related.

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>>34107296
This especially if it's coming out of a 20inch barrel
>Pic unrelated

>>34103784
fpbp
this
/thread
etc. etc.

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>>34104666
>>34104647
>>34104671

Wouldn't 9 .30 caliber projectiles or one 430 grain slug from a 12 gauge shotgun be better at that?

>>34104250
ARfags are the new 1911 fanbois

>>34103868
>The US government IS tyrannical, so why haven't AR owners "defended" against it yet?
I mean people have tried to assassinate Trump and Obama.

>>34103701
It is fun to shoot. Reloading isn't as fun as shooting, get a semi auto gun and pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, and reload.

>>34103868
>>The US government IS tyrannical, so why haven't AR owners "defended" against it yet?
Soap box, ballot box, jury box, ammo box.
IN THAT ORDER.

>>34103701
Because the alternative is something inferior.

>>34104684
If you ACTUALLY WATCHED that video you just linked, you'd see that he explicitly mentions that rifle rounds cause a great deal more trauma than handgun rounds.

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ITT: OP claims to not be baiting and asks people a question. People give OP reasonable responses and OP pretends to not see those responses, thus proving that he's baiting.

>>34108345
>>34104250
>pussyhurt pistonfags

>>34108293
Yeah but then you have more recoil, significantly less capacity, and much greater barrier penetration.

Buck and slug go through interior walls like wet paper, if you miss, that shit keeps going for a while.
They do however hit fucking hard, so there's that.

I mean you can be high as the sky on PCP and not feel anything, but you still got a fist sized hole in your sternum, that's it for you.

>>34104250
ARfags are older than Glockfags, but not worst than 1911fags tho.

All in all, Murica...

>>34104237
add to this that even most of that base is willing to give up other freedoms as long as no one looks at the 2A in any manner

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>>34108530
>pic related
That's the result of a 83 year old mobster-era set of gun regulations. SBSs are treated like weapons of mass destruction, yet there's pistols with 18-20 round standard magazines that take up less than half the space.

I don't know about entirely repealing the NFA, but it definitely should be reworked.

>>34108956
Forgot to add that SBRs have 3-4 rounds max.

>>34103701
>What is it FOR?

It's a fun and easy gun to shoot that is also a capable rifle for defense and light hunting.

>>34104067
>If you just want to shoot for "recreation," a 22 would be better as both the rifle and ammo would cost less.

eh, sure it's cheaper, but it's completely inadequate if you want to stretch out to a few hundred meters. Some people like shooting things that are further than 100 meters.

as far as I'm concerned, .22lr is a specialized hunting round designed to kill small things like rabbits. If you have a .22, that should be why.

5.56 is both easy to shoot, moderately priced, and actually capable to use as a defensive round if needed.

>>34104734
Holy fuck.

Okay that's it guys, it was bait all along, we can all go home.

>>34104198
if there are bear or moose here, its because someone is playing JUMANJI

so mine's a toy. what of it. toys have a purpose, to be played with and provide the owner with hours of enjoyment

you must be great fun at parties.

>>34108453
News articles please.

>>34110270


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_White_House_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_assassination_of_Donald_Trump

tl;dr a lunatic shot wildly at the white house in 2011 and some British autist tried to steal a gun from a police officer and shoot Trump.

>>34103784
Yup.

>>34107131
Not relevant to civilians.
>>34107140
Not as severely as something bigger.
>>34107209
>while passing through interior walls like butter.
What is sectional density? What are light bullets?

>>34107209
>It's a nice thing to have
Up to a point. Beyond that point, it's unnecessary. You would be wise to trade excess capacity for a 90% gain in impact area.

>>34107209
>inherently very accurate, and very easy to shoot.
So is a good bolt action.

>>34107251
>Oh gee, some states also ban rifles for hunting altogether, they must be on to something, right, you fucking dillweed?
Bad analogy. The reason for banning 22 centerfire as a hunting round is that it is perceived, rightly or wrongly, as insufficiently powerful. The reason for banning rifles for hunting is that some states fear that bullets will travel too far.

>>34107251
>given that armored home invaders are not only a statistically insignificance
For that matter, all home invaders are statistically insignificant.

>>34107251
>Handguns are statistically mediocre stoppers, if you want a one-shot stop, then a rifle or shotgun is the best way to go, and most likely to do so.
That's true for most handgun rounds, but I'd like to see a comparison between hot 357 magnum vs. 223.

>>34107251
>On top of that, a long gun is just way easier to control and use
For long range shooting, certainly, but in a house?

>>34107296
>http://www.gunrightsmedia.com/showthread.php?415927-Stopping-power-weak-5-56-(explicit-pictures)
Those are cherry picked pictures. For every person with his head blown off with a 223, I could also show you cases where the wound looked like an icepick stab.

>>34107296
>And it's good that an AR15 can make you bleed like crazy.
Not like a 308.

>>34107296
>Indeed he did, it was a 20" barreled rifle in an A2 style I believe, one of those old Colt Sporter rifles, pic related.
But how many times were those men shot?

>>34108293
Quite possibly.

>>34108453
And I don't remember very many gun owners speaking out in their defense.

>>34108464
Soap box and ballot box have failed utterly. As for juries, I don't know of very many gun owners supporting jury nullification.

>>34108501
Yes, he does. That's why I'm not a fan of most handgun rounds (with the exception of hot 357 from a 6 inch barrel). I prefer 308 for general purpose shooting.

>>34108530
>OP pretends to not see those responses
Not true at all. I've responded to every one of them.

>>34108862
>Buck and slug go through interior walls like wet paper, if you miss, that shit keeps going for a while.
To be fair, damn near anything will go through drywall.

>>34108973
>It's a fun and easy gun to shoot that is also a capable rifle for defense and light hunting.
Multi-purpose tools tend to do many jobs OK and no job well. It's better to have a dedicated hunting rifle for anything that bleeds and a dedicated target rifle for shooting paper.

>>34108973
>eh, sure it's cheaper, but it's completely inadequate if you want to stretch out to a few hundred meters. Some people like shooting things that are further than 100 meters.
I guess so, but most ranges don't even go out that far where I live.

>>34109772
Not an argument.

>>34110411
>tl;dr a lunatic shot wildly at the white house in 2011 and some British autist tried to steal a gun from a police officer and shoot Trump.
The fact that you speak ill of people who are trying to kill your oppressors is exactly why we have no freedom in this country.

>>34111634
>>34111544
Goddamn you are autistic.

>>34103701
Disregarding the legitimate reasons to own an AR, maybe some people legitimately like the gun, how it looks, and think it's fun to shoot.

In short, fuck off cunt, buy more guns.