Short recoil is the best mechanism for an automatic rifle. Consider:

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>>34101641
Bump to hear autistic arguments

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>>34101731
Nobody cares you colossal faggot

>>34101866
Rude. No need to get angry anon.

>>34101641
What are the downsides of it though? Surely there's a reason that short recoil operation isn't more widely used in modern designs

>>34102129
That was annoyance, not anger, fagtron.

>>34102235
Just because it isn't used doesn't mean there's a good reason for it.

>>34102841
The Garand isn't short recoil tho.

>>34103340
I think he was just saying that they were in favor of a gas system because they already liked the garand

>>34102826
Fair enough

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eeh.

1941 Johnson + AG42b = AR15 just so you know. Those were the 2 inspirations

>>34103712
How is an actually direct impingement, tilting bolt rifle in any way related to the AR15s design?

>>34103853
>direct impingement bastardized into a 1941 Johnson bolt to replace the retarded short recoil BS

What I want to know is if there is any record of Erik Eklund having experience with the SVT-40.

>>34104842
See where I said "actual" direct impingement? That's because the AR15 isn't technically direct impingement, and has a completely different gas system than that gun. You would know this if you lurked more.

>>34104900
See the part where I said "bastardized" and not "direct copy"?
It's because it's not a direct copy but rather a concept taken and morphed.

Bite me ya prick.

>the barrel literally slides with every shot
>accurate
Yeah right.

>>34105164
>concept taken and morphed
The Stoner system is literally a gas piston. You're retarded if you think they're in any way similar.

>>34107153
Except that the Johnson was a 2 MOA gun.

I think you could be on to something here, but the improvements wouldn't be big enough for people to replace what they have.

>>34109863
I'm guessing this post is directed straight to mister Johnson himself?

Recoil operated roller locked guns are the best meme.

>>34107207
$250 savages are submoa nowadays. MOA is the bare minimum.

>>34107153
One of the farthest ever confirmed kills in history was with an m2. As long as you can make sure the barrel resets in the same place every time, it can be very accurate.

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>>34110313
>Did most of his work with a rifle he could pack with him
>Longest confirmed sniping kill is with a fucking M2

>>34110281
Not for the military dumbass

>>34111702
Lmao every modern service rifle going foward will be submoa.

>>34112024
>Citation needed

>>34112024
Except the M16 is considered exceptionally accurate and it's 4 moa retard

>>34112434
The M16 is 50 years old. You should be looking at new service rifles like the 416. Summer is here I guess.

>>34112611
>416
"The firearm'sprecisionis specified as ≈ 4MOA(12cm at 100m) by Heckler & Koch."
Man, isn't Wikipedia a wonderful thing? Summer is here I guess.

>>34112826
HK416N (16.5")
M855: 11 cm or 1.83 MOA
NM229: 12 cm or 2 MOA
NY NAMMO 1: 11.7 cm or 1.95 MOA
Lead Free Boat Tail: 10.9 cm or 1.81 MOA
SS109 SELF: 10.7 cm or 1.78 MOA
SS109: 8.48 cm or 1.41 MOA

SCAR is also submoa with match grade ammo. Just because the military doesn't use it doesn't mean the rifle isn't capable of it.

>>34113231
I too can write down numbers without a source. You still haven't gotten to the part where the M16 is more than accurate enough for it's intended purpose.

>>34107179
They vent gas in the same area, and the gas tube is the same.
The bolt is the only change from a Hakim/AG-42 System you fucking moron.

Yes, the bolt becomes a "piston" on an AR, but it still links to the gas system in the exact same fucking way.

>>34113772
>da tube go in da bolt in da same pwace!!!
wow what a rip off of the design, fuck Eugene Stoner.

>>34113801
It's in the same vein as a tappet gas system and an FAL gas system.
One is SLIGHTLY different, and therefore they're related (and not a direct clone)

Stoner didn't invent the main portion of what would be considered the gas system.
He invented the bolt portion.
Fuck you dipshit.

>>34113917
So basically an AR is a Johnson plus an AG42, only because the AG42 has a gas tube. Why not just say it's basically a Johnson plus a fucking 1895 Potato Digger.

>>34107207
>Johnson was a 2 MOA gun.
With 1 one shot group.

>>34113989
Sure then.
A Johnson plus a colt potato digger.
Whatever gets you hard dumbass.

The point is that it's ridiculously close and your "argument" about the bolt is irrelevant.

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