Alright, ARs are okay guns when there aren't any bees around,

>>34097785

Also it's essentially Bubba in gun form.

The flash hider gently rustled my jimmies.

Stop telling me to get an AR-15. I don't want one. I think less of people who have one.

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>>34097785
But anon, the AR-15 is a fantastic rifle.

>>34097801

For fags.

So what's your goto rifle since you don't like ARs? (Which is fine, just curious what you prefer)

>>34097823
Or, you know, the reason fucking everyone has one is that theyre fucking great and can be had cheaply. Theyre one of the most reliable guns, with a damned effective cartridge, a bigger aftermarket than JDM, and has proven itself time and time again. But we get it, you only know bullshit Fuddlore and won't begin to actually educate yourself. Even if we spoonfeed you, you'd reject it because you've decided at some point that nobody knows more about firms than you. The last part is especially hilarious given that, generally speaking, optics will work on pretty much any gun.

And what fucking plastic do you think is on an AR? The whole thing is, or should be, aluminum and steel.

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>>34097913
>>34097915

It's not enough for the ARfag to enjoy his shitty plastic toy, everyone else has to validate him or he has a personal crisis.

Now go ahead and call everyone else a fudd for not liking your ugly pre-Bubba'd rifle. I know you want to.

>>34097785
then just get an ak you flaming faggot

>>34097913
>educate yourself

ARfags really are the SJWs of guns.

>>34097785
Why not own an M16A1 build then? That way it's not supposed to be opr8r, or mangled with a gorillion attachments, or your main go-to SHTF rifle, but instead just a fun range toy with some neat history.

>>34097915
I think the little spring detent nubs are brass.

The ones for the push pins.

A few years ago these current ARfags said they were overpriced plastic toys. Shit most of these ARfags couldn't even own a gun in 2012.

>>34097991
>DUDE JUST GET A DIFFERENT AR

Can you not see how cancerous you people are?

>>34098007
They are I think he is taking about the handguard and buttstock

Sturmgewehr master race

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>>34097785
>Fuck the AR-15.

At one time I would have agreed with you but if you live inna US, AR parts and ammo are so fucking pervasive today that you'd be a fucking retard to not own one if you're really keeping big-time problems in mind.

I love my AK's, but there's more fucking AR ammo in every store I go to than there is AK food.

>TL;DR shut up and get one anyway because practicality

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>>34097785
The AR-15 series of rifles are objectively and unarguably the greatest modern rifles. They are functionally superior to all other standard issue military platform rifles in the world.

Sorry, the truth hurts.

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When I eventually get an AR it's going to look like this.
>patrolling the mojave

>>34098103
>The AR-15 series of rifles are objectively and unarguably the greatest modern rifles.

Wrong. The design has just been very lucky in its lifetime. It just happened to have gud ergos, paper-tier weight and pretty gud accuracy.

>>34098103
This.

>>34098112
>sometimes it makes you wish for a nuclear winter.

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>>34097785
show me on the doll where the AR touched you op

>>34098103
Does the m4 on the bottom of your picture have a video scope? Thats fucking awesome. Like halo tier awesomeness.

>>34097785
>>34097799
>>34097823
>>34097952
>>34097987
>>34098014
>>34098029
>>34098115
Jesh relax. Freaking out over nothing. Seriously though go buy an AR-15. That outta chill you guys out.

>>34098103

Hideous mallninja guns that aren't good enough to excuse looking like a fag.

>>34099365

Nice parody in all seriousness.

>>34098103
Except the G36 is a thing.

>>34097785
>plastic gun

anon, you can make an AR almost entirely out of metal with ease

agree OP, I have never liked the look of that pattern rifles don't want to deal with building one, and the fanbois who infest every god damn thread have really put me off. It sounds like muh glawk perfection fags

>muh ARs are only $400
>lmao nice budget piece of junk
>here you need this $1000 worth of mall ninja bullshit
>now you can shoot trees wearing an empty plate carrier rolling around in the grass while hikers laugh at your 400lb ass

>>34099904
>don't want to deal with building one

You say this like it's hard. It's fucking easy.

Just get one. All your reasons are stupid. Get a 762 ar or an ar10 and quit being a manlet pussy cuck.

>>34100198
It's easy to build an autistic gaming machine too but I'm still just going to use it to call you a faggot you fucking faggot

OP has it right for once, ARfags are the worst fags on this board next to glockfags

>hmm I'm thinking about getting a rifle what do you gu....
>GET A FUCKING AR GET AN AR
>GET AN AR
>but I don't like polymer
>LMAO YOU FUCKIN IDIOT POLYMER IS MORE RELIABLE AND LIGHTER AND IT'S BLACK SO YOU NEED TO BUY AN AR
and essentially the same thing with steel frame pistols and glockfags, it even happens in shotgun threads

>>34100358
where's ar-15 polymer besides grip and stock? fucking drooling retard

>>34100815
>but I don't like polymer
>LMAO YOU FUCKIN IDIOT POLYMER IS MORE RELIABLE AND LIGHTER AND IT'S BLACK SO YOU NEED TO BUY AN AR
see what you just did there?

>>34100841
We can see that you're a fucking sperg. The AK has nearly the exact same components made out of either wood, bakelite, or polymer as the AR-15. The same applies to the Sig 5-series, Beretta AR-70, Daewoo K2, FN FNC, Enfield/HK L85, HK-91/93, and shit tons of other rifles. Show me a modern 7.62 or 5.56 rifle that has zero polymer in it's construction.
Quit being a fucking retard or at least be a retard at home rather than borping shit all over the internet.

>>34100890
>I'm thinking about getting a rifle
>SEMI AUTOS ONLY IF YOU DON'T WANT AN AR THEN GET AN AK
and you've done it again

>>34097952
The funny thing is, I don't even own an AR. I just think you're retarded for thinking there's anything wrong with it, or that it's made of plastic. The only plastic parts, which are completely optional, are the grip, stock, and foregrip; and all of these have metal versions available.
>>34097987
>LOL WHY SHOULD I LEARN ANYTHING BEFORE SPOUTING AN OPINION ABOUT IT

>>34100922
What fucking part of "It's not made of plastic" did you not get?
What part of that gigantic list did you not get?
Polymer > wood, but you can get a 100% metal AR if you're that autistic about it.

>>34097785
AK ar10 fn fal scar or an AR in 6.5 Grendel are all better

>>34100961
>Polymer > wood
you are still doing it

>I don't want polymer
>BUT IT'S FUCKING BETTER THAN WOOD YOU IDIOT DUH

>>34100969
Except 7.62x39, that shit sucks.
>>34100977
No, you fucking mouthbreather. You don't want polymer? Fucking fine. You can get wood furniture on your AR. You can get all-aluminum or all-steel. The whole point behind the AR is that IT CAN BE MADE OF WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT.

>>34100988
>IT CAN BE MADE OF WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT.

just like any other gun that exist ?

>>34100988
>I don't want an a semi-auto
>GET AN AR

It's hilarious that now the AR15 is the most popular and one of the cheapest rifles on the market that contrarian /k/ hates it so much.

Never change.

>>34100997
Not really; most guns don't come close to the AR's aftermarket. Good luck finding all-metal furniture for just about anything else, since you seem to think anything not made of metal will melt at room temperature, spontaneously combust, or dissolve in water.
>>34100998
Why, specifically, do you not want semi-auto?

>>34101028
>Why, specifically, do you not want semi-auto?
Does it make a difference?

You're literally doing the thing from the greentext, ala
>YOUR CHOICE IS WRONG MAKE THE ONE I'D MAKE

>>34101028
>Why, specifically, do you not want semi-auto?

It's literally like clockwork. The other sperg even "inb4'd" this exact post but here it is, unironically.

>>34101024
A ton of people obviously love the AR-15, the problem is the faggots that insist everyone own one because they are cheap, and we all know that you and every other one of your faggot peers knows that you end up dumping another $1000 into your "only $400" Lego gun in a fantasy scenario where you get to cleanse inner Chicago of the pavement ape menace without the aid or counterforce of the national guard.

>>34101051
Well, yes, it does. Why bitch about the AR when you seem to not like anything in it's category? You deliberately made this thread about ARs, and then moved the goalposts to "any semiauto."

There's no reason to NOT have a semi, but, whatever, you do you.
>>34101054
Well, there's really no reason to not want one, unless you just have a bolt/lever fetish, which is perfectly fine.
But if it's, "HURR DURR 'CUS RELIABILITY AND ACCURACY," then you'd just be a fucking idiot.
>>34101070
There are only two or three things on an AR that need to be expensive; barrel, trigger, (optional) optic.

And what, pray tell, is wrong with building a gun around your own personal tastes and/or needs?

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>>34101070
Yup. Just look at all the accessories my AR has.

>>34101099
>>34101118
>What do you faggots mean you only browse 4chan and IRC and use normiebook lmao you should build this artistically overpowered gaming machine, it's only $600 and so easy to build you have no excuse

>>34101158
Literally, what? Do what the fuck you want, nigger. If you decide you want some other shit on your gun, get it. If not, fucking don't.

>>34101158
....

What? Do you think you can't buy an AR in a store or something?

>>34098101
In Canada it's like 300$ for 1500 rounds of 7.62

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>>34101099
So what AR do I get if I don't like the way this part looks

>>34101253
Dunno, let's see if we can't find something to suit you.

Do you want a more classic appearance, or do you want LOLFUTUREISNAO?
Flat top, carry handle, no preference?
Would you want one that looks more akin to a G36/ACR/AR-180?

>>34101253
Judging a rifle based on aesthetics is fucking pathetic. I bet you don't even own a semi-automatic rifle, fag. There's no excuse to not buy an AR15 in 2015+2. Eugene Stoner not Yourjeans Boner is my savior.

>>34101291
This is exactly the problem with ARfags even if you're being ironic

>>34101290
I have never seen a semi-auto receiver that looks "good"

>>34101291
Dunno about that. One of the biggest issues I have with ARs is the buffer tube. I like shit that can fold. There is, however, no excuse in not owning at least one semi-auto that shoots intermediate or full power rounds.
And I totally get wanting aesthetic guns.

>>34100358
Because here's how shit works on the internet

>I have no knowledge about thing and want advice

Ok here is some tried and tested advice that works for just about everyone

>no you misunderstand I have unique needs and plus I have valid concerns about things I just admitted I know nothing about

Guns, workout routines, it's all the same. People want validation for their neophyte opinions and special snowflake concerns that keep them from doing anything popular.

>>34097913
You feeling alright?

>>34101323
Wait, fucking what? There are more semiauto guns than I can even name in one post before reaching the character limit. Fuck, someone made a semiauto 1903, like what the actual shit do you like?

>>34101384
The reason ARs are plentiful and cheap is because now everyone and their fucking brother makes them, or makes parts for them. Do you even economics?

>>34097823
BEST COUNTER ARGUMENT EVAR

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>>34101394
And why exactly do you think that is?

>>34101415
Because patents and contracts expire and/or change hands, you fucking mong. Once a design goes public domain, everyone can get in on that shit. I know you're from /pol/ and can't grasp basic shit, but come on, apply yourself.

>>34101427
Yeah it has nothing to do with the sunset clause on the AWB coming in, followed by 8 years of Obama and then then the threat of Hillary. The ar-15 exists in a vacuum where every gun owner decided they needed one for no reason and companies only produced them because they are The Best (tm)

Obviously I should go and buy one right now, that all of you spergs would call bargain bin shit and offer a half dozen pieces of advice for improving it.

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>>34097785
>ARs are okay guns
>Fuck the AR-15.

>>34101447
Holy fucking shit, how do you dress yourself?
ArmaLite held the patent. They held the monopoly on ARs for a long fucking time. Then they sold it to Colt. Colt then had a near-monopoly on ARs for a while. Then it fucking expired, and now suddenly everyone with a CNC machine is able to cash in and undercut other companies.
"HURR DURR I'M SO FUCKING RETARDED I THINK PANIC BUYING MAGICALLY MEANS THAT PRODUCTION CAN OPEN UP ON AN IP"

What reason isn't there to own one? Great for hunting just about anything in NA. Great for HD. Great fun at the range. Effective on people out to 600 yards, 800 if you're a pro with expensive optics and ammo. Low recoil. Reliable as fuck, and recently, really fucking affordable, to boot. Everyone started producing them because they sell very well to both "gun-is-appliance" and "gun-is-fun" types alike. No gun is the best at everything and everyone fucking knows that.

But way to move the goalposts yet again to cover up the fact that you don't know shit about shit. I'd bet ten dollars you're under 18.

>>34097823
See, then you should get it.

>>34098029
Well I can see how cancerous you are right now, between the butthurt and the exaggerations.

>>34097987
>education
>SJW

Yes, yes. Please go back to your designated shitting street please.

>>34101489
And this, folks, is the absolute epitome of what OP set out to desribe. Well done anon. So do you unironically train with III%ers because you sold you life to the war machine for a few years or are you just a LARPer who would spill his spaghetti during any social encounter?

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>>34097799
>he thinks less of hickok45

>actually letting the antics of 4chan posts dictate your purchases
OP is a particularly weak willed faggot in an era where weak wills are the norm. Sad.

>>34101521
Not even him but way to adhom yourself into oblivion famarino.

>fuck your stupid plastic gun
buy metal parts then
>that breaks if you don't clean it every five minutes
It generally still performs very well when dirty
>Fuck its little queer bullets
get it chambered it something else then
>Fuck its optics.
The same optics that every other gun with rails can use
> Fuck its accessories.
see above

>Fuck the fact that it's a toy for stupid kids that would rather build and play with guns than go shooting.
>when people i don't like do it, it's playing, when I do it, it's shooting
>implying there's something wrong with building a gun

"AR15" is essentially a meaningless term by now since you can customize it in so many different ways, why do you hate options? Just buy an AR.

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>ywn sperg out this hard in all caps on a chinese image board because you're so retarded you have to feed your contrarian need to hate the AR

>ugly as sin
do I need any other reason not to own an AR?

>>34101714
That's not a valid reason, the AR-15 models are the best rifles you can buy and there's no excuse for not owning one.

>>34101732
My opinion is not less valid than yours just because it's different.

I want something that looks good, AR does not check that box. Perfectly valid excuse for never buying one

>>34099904

Or you can have just been an adult with money back when SKSes were $300, bought one, spent maybe $100 doing shit like fixing the stock, and then spent that $1000 on ammo and end up with a prettier gun you actually know how to shoot that doesn't come with a dozen autism aids.

>>34100890

The AK, at least a decent one, has a nice wooden stock as standard. The AR comes with a polymer stock so light that the firing pin of my existing rifle weighs as much as your entire gun. Naming more guns doesn't make you sound smart or like the AR isn't covered in polymer.

>>34101748
But an AK, Scar, G3, or CAL.
Fuck it. There's other options. Each has ups and downs.

Main point is get a gun and shoot with it, get good, and continue the cycle.
Idfc what gun it is..

>>34100988

At which point it stops costing $400. The whole "muh low prices" thing is a trap, if you want it to look decent you're spending a shitton of money.

>>34101028

This post epitomizes why ARfags are cancer.

>Anon: I don't want an AR
>ARfag: Why not get a fucking AR you faggot
>Anon: Maybe I don't want X feature an AR has and want Y instead
>ARfag: WHY!?

It's like no other rifle but your ugly black autismshooter exists.

>>34100988
>not liking 7.62x39

This is why ARfags are literal fags.

>>34101748
>buying one tool over another based on looks
I bet you're 16

>>34100941

Yeah, it's not hard to tell a lot of ARfags are nogunz. Yes, we know you're nogunz because you don't own the rifle you're fanboying for.

>>34100961
>I like wood better
>B-BUT YOU CAN GET A METAL AR

It will still look like shit and cost way more than the $400 you pretend is now standard price for all ARs.

>>34102117
>I don't care what gun it is
>get an AR
???

>>34102178
>guns are ONLY tools
Yeah bro, my 870 is a TOOL that I use to shoot skeet for WORK. Fuck off retard, I have a 1911 for HD and every other gun I own is a toy. Yes, I want my toys to look cool, I'm buying them after all.

What bothers me about AR15 autists:
>AR15 is superb rifle and for <$500 there's no reason not to buy one!
>Do you have an AR15 anon?
Yeah I do, I bought a new basic model colt last year, it's pretty fun.
>You don't have any accessories? Are you a fucking poorfag? That's a piece of shit rifle you bought, might as well try to recoup some of the cost on Armslist, just make sure you include 'I know what I have no low balls' in the listing. Come back when you own [other make] with [widget] on it.

>>34101291

Good luck clubbing a man to death with it, but that's good for you because you have weak wrists anyway. A gun you can't club a man to death with is a gun for women.

>>34101748
>My opinion is not less valid than yours just because it's different.

your opinion is less valid because you talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded.

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>>34102259

>ITT: OP castigates ARfags for decreasing the variety of interesting rifles and being cancerous kiddies who insist everyone buy their megablox autism rifle
>ARfags go "b-but why would you need anything else? Just buy an AR".

>>34097785
I would've bought an AR a long time ago if it wasn't for the AR fanbase. Every gun recommendation thread is basically
>hey guys what should I get as my first gun?
>get an AR
>but I don't want an AR because X
>X is a meme, get an AR
>but I don't like ARs
>why wouldn't you want an AR they're the best thing since sliced bread etc etc etc
>but I don't care about that, I don't want an AR
>you must be a poorfag then, confirmed shit taste faggot
>what about rifle Y
>rifle Y sucks, get an AR faggot
>>34102241 nailed it. I've shot an AR before and I admit it's a decent rifle, but I'd rather shoot my pistol caliber carbine or milsurp bolt action because I find them more fun to shoot.

>>34101732

They really aren't, ARfags are just literally stupid enough to think the performance of a high-end AR costing thousands of burger vouchers and the price of a budget AR made of spittle and cheap plastic can ever exist in the same gun.

>>34102241

The fact that "poorfag" is a term in common use among a community for a tool that exists to protect the common man (in America at least) says all you need to know about why ARfags are retards.

>>34102252

This. Unless you are a serving member of the US military, going on actual long-distance patrols in full kit, the decreased weight of the AR platform is only going to be noticeably beneficial to fat weaklings with daddy's money.

>>34102857

This. I'm not one of the people who hates the way they look, but I don't want to be lumped in with the faggots who own one. Plus, every gunstore now only carries two kinds of rifles, fudd durr guns and ARs. Sick of it.

Y'all know 5.56 isn't very effective on bears, right? AK will put those suckers right down, an AR won't. It's like using .22lr for home defense...you can do it, and maybe you'll get lucky, but I wouldn't bet on it.

>tfw you know that among this sea of b8 and shitposting, there are a few people who unironically have the mindset outlined in the OP

>>34103036
>tfw you know this guy is serious and ARfags genuinely think most people think like them

It's like God saw how much we hated glockfags and invented a more cancerous fanbase to punish us for making fun of Gaston Glock.

>>34103036
>tfw you unironically act out red dawn/day of the rope scenarios in your head and believe that you are John Rambo
>tfw refuse to believe people don't want yet another clone or to bother assembling your "only $400 (read: $1300)"

AR-Fags are either poorfags who own one rifle or those spergy ex-military guys who can't stop living in their glory days of killing shitskins

ARfags are sad.

>muh AR is a tool
...yeah and other guns that look good aren't?

>>34102156
No, it fucking doesn't, if you build the fucker yourself. If putting in a small amount of learning and effort is too much for you to handle without sperging, you don't need to be around guns at all.

Here's how it actually went down:
>I FUCKING HATE ARS BECAUSE FOLLOWING REASONS
Well, the reasons you listed aren't actually a thing.
>FUCK YOU, I WANT THESE FEATURES
And you can have them on an AR. If you just don't want an AR, fine, whatever, but don't hate on ARs because of your lack of knowledge.
>>34102168
x39 is the worst of the intermediate cartridges. 300m max effective range, period.
>>34102198
>Pointing out sperging means I'm fanboying
I have more guns than you, most likely because I'm over 21. This whole thread has been, "THIS IS WHY I HATE FUCKING ARS REEEEE" and others informing you and other spergs that said things-you-don't-like can be swapped out, which only caused you further butthurt.
>GET A METAL AR
They already are. Wood furniture also exists. Do you think every other gun is 100% metal? Have you ever fucking held a gun?

And even if you break the 400 price floor, you'll still be cheaper than even a fucking CAI AK.

I'ts okay to not like ARs, but all you've done is autistically screech about non-issues.

>>34104883
>if you can be around guns you should have an AR

Typical ARfag cancer

>If you don't like ARs YOU'S IGNANT

Typical ARfag cancer

>If you think ARs don't have every feature for $400 and aren't fragile polymer guns YOU'RE A LIAR

Typical ARfag cancer

>5.56 is made from Lunar Titanium and powered by gundam farts while 7.62x39 is bad and smelly

Typical ARfag cancer, also fuddlore (despite the AR being King of the Bubba Guns)

>pretending to have guns

Typical ARfag cancer

>muh metal and wood furniture

Won't stop the AR from looking like a particularly ugly dog dick dildo. Typical ARfag cancer

>muh price

Typical ARfag cancer.

Keep defending a gun that's already obsolete. One reason for the price drop is that the army hates them and wants to get rid of the little peashooters.

>>34097785
Excuse the typos.
I have hakim thumb ATM.

I have only a few small things to say.

Take a look at a confessional thread.
What do you see?
Every other post is an AR or Glock fan admitting they just don't enjoy shooting because it's expensive, loud, and most often of all, plain old boring.

"But it's the best! Agencies and Militaries and Police world wide use them!" You say.
Need I remind you that there was a time that those same agencies used .38 special instead of .357 magnum in their wheelguns?
That they turned down the FAL in favor of the shot show that was the M14?
That, even though they sell their own shit that they tout as superior, they use surplus M16Awhatevers because they were CHEAPER?
That they mainly factor in price, and that reliability and quality are actually normally secondary?
Fun for a Civillian shooter is NOT considered amongst these entities.
Why do people assume that?

And a lack of fun leads to many problems for someone who does not have government subsidized ammunition.
Their practice becomes an expensive chore.
It is loud, unpleasant because of a lack of instantaneous improvement, and most important expensive.
So why shoot?
Don't.
Just buy more accessories.
And so they do.
And we wind up with things like ARG, and it then spawns shills, which in turn make more shills, and it all feeds itself into ensuring cheap ARs and tons of people who don't really enjoy shooting.

It's why I truly believe the death of surplus will kill shooting as anything but competition and hunting.
No collecting.
It's why the Mosin or some other odd cheap shitty surplus gun will ALWAYS be the gun of /k/.
Not because it's good.
But rather it is cheap and fun.
The AR is good for a tool.
But nobody enjoys a tool.
They enjoy the fruits of a tools use.
And nobody enjoys just shooting a gun.
They enjoy the experience.
(1/2)

>>34105075
The experience of shooting a surplus or even a non-AR/Glock is an interesting and challenging experience and therefore fun.

The sights aren't amazing?
Work for it, dipshit. That sub MOA group is a i king achievement, OWN IT!
The gas system is retarded?
1" groups are now rewarding because you did it with a burnt hand! Congratulations!
The mechanism is a pain to strip?
Now you have more fun watching it tick everything Ike you pull the trigger!

All these things are eliminated with ARs and Glocks.
Ammo's easy to find, especially new shit.
They have no history, no quirks, no lack of comfort and ease, and it all just gets so...boring.
Without using them as race or 3 gun guns, you will find yourself bored.
Yes there are exceptions. Some people may find repeated ease to be fun.
Don't get me wrong, they're great as tools.
But I don't enjoy hammers, saws, hatchets, or screwdrivers.
I enjoy guns.

And it kills me whenever I wonder how many "just get an AR" posts have killed a potential /k/ommandos interest in firearms.

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>>34105075
>>34105127
I wholly agree with this post, especially this bit.
>Don't get me wrong, they're great as tools. But I don't enjoy hammers, saws, hatchets, or screwdrivers. I enjoy guns.

>>34105075
Do competition shooters who I ironically enjoy shooting their AR's, glocks, and autoloading shotguns at fun targets from fun positions count as glock/AR fags? If I had to stand in one spot and shot at nothing but paper, I'd probably hate glocks and ARs too. They're easy mode, basic bitch firearms. There's nothing interesting or difficult about getting solid hits at 25 yards with a glock or 100 yards with an AR. That being said, outside of custom race guns for your pistol, they're the most effective bang for your buck and competition shooting is hilariously fun.

>>34105172
Who UNironically, fuck phone posting.

>>34105172
I addressed that in part 2.
So fuck you for not actually reading my entire post.

And my entire point was that they're, as you put it, easy mode basic bitch firearms and that they make for people getting bored very quick if they're not competition shooters, something that's not available easily everywhere.

If you dont live in an area near where competitions are held, you will be best served with something more interesting as you will want to practice and become more proficient more.

>>34105172
>Do competition shooters who I ironically enjoy shooting their AR's, glocks, and autoloading shotguns at fun targets from fun positions count as glock/AR fags?
IMO no, they're glock/ARfags the moment they recommend those guns to people who won't enter those kinds of competitions.

I'd rather blast away at Coke cans and eggs than waste time putting holes in paper

>>34097785
Modern fudds

>>34105243
Paper is boring as fuck.
Try chopping down a tree with a gun and then explain why shooting is boring.

That said, it's always, without fail, more fun to chap the tree down with surplus or antique shit than an AR or a Glock.

>>34105211
I just want people to stop calling me ARfag because I don't use a grand pinger for 20 second stages with 40 rounds going down range.

AR's and glocks are great starter guns and make for a good transition to comp if that's the route you take your hobby. If you get bored with your AR or glock after learning to shoot, trade them. You can't argue that having a light recoiling rifle with a flat trajectory and pretty good irons even on cheapo models doesn't make for a great learning gun. When you do trade up to something bigger, older, more interesting to shoot you can appreciate it more for what it is and not feel like an asshole shooting one round every three seconds and hitting the target once every tenth shot.

>>34105211
I haven't found an area more than an hour away from a sanctioned USPSA match. Steel challenge is incredibly popular pretty much everywhere in the states. Glocks and 1911's still dominate steel challenge.

>>34105288
The problem comes with it being THE starter gun.

Not everybody (in fact most people) don't have the time or cash to join in competitions.
Thus, ARs become boring very quickly.
Not everybody gets that shooting guns isn't all as boring as shooting an AR.
And honestly easy mode may not be the best to start with.
Sometimes it simply takes teaching someone how not to fuck up to teach them well as opposed teaching them how to do well.

And again.
It's a matter mainly of the fact that it turns people off of the hobby as a whole by being boring.
>>34105326
An hour is still a ways to go, and this doesn't include practice ammo and all the entrance fees and shit.

You all took the bait.

>>34105370
>it being THE starter gun
I've never understood why people want it to be THE starter gun; starter guns are chambered in .22LR and cost $100-250 US.

>>34105370
Ammo and range fees usually come out to about 90 bucks total. Range fees are paltry, usually in the ballpark of 15 bucks. You won't shoot that much more ammo than you would on any other range day, and that's for three gun. 200 rounds of cheap ball ammo for a pistol is going to be about half that.

I think everyone should at least try a USPSA pistol match. Just need 4 mags and a holster and you're good to go. Get to meet new people, see some really cool toys, and shoot targets in a way you never get to any where else.

>>34105484
.22lr is a great place to start as well, but most adults will discount it as too weak for anything besides punching paper. While that may be all you do with your first gun, if you have to defend yourself and ALL you have is that .22? Well, it's better than nothing, but it's considerably lighter than what I would WANT to have in that situation.

>>34097785
i feel like i should own an AR for practical reasons, but i would so much rather spend my gun fund on reloading dies or milsurp

modern firearms dont interest me very much

>>34105484
Hell, I wouldn't recommend an AR or a Glock as a starter centerfire.

My first handgun was a .38 revolver, my first rifle was a nugget.

>>34105469
>OP posts bait to trigger AR fags
>thread gets derailed into a legitimate discussion about guns as a hobby, the niche of competition, and what makes a good first time gun buy.
I have no regrets

>>34105536
I only recommend them to people who don't want guns as a hobby. It really comes down to what they plan on doing down the line
>hunting
Probably a milsurp bolt action. Full size caliber, affordable, open sights so you don't need an additional purchase, always easy to clean due to military design philosophy
>home defense
The easiest gun to load, aim, and shoot. This usually comes down to a range trip and a few rentals, but glocks are always a good suggestion because they are beginner friendly.
>pest animals
Small semi auto rifle. Something easy to pack without a lot of recoil. Again, AR's because beginner friendly
>because they're fun!
This seems to be what we're discussing the most but is completely subjective. While I tend to agree that AR's are boring outside of comp shooting, not everyone does. Even then, what people DO think is fun is incredibly varied. I think Black Powder is the dopest shit, I love making paper cartridges with nitro paper and real BP and making huge clouds of smoke at the range. Others don't want to spend the time scrubbing their gun clean every time they fire the damn thing.

Remember that /k/ is mostly a "for fun" kind of place and while everything you said makes perfect sense in regards to the people HERE, it may not make sense to apply it to every single person buying a gun for the first time. A recently redpilled soccer mom, and yes this happens more often than you think, isn't going to go out and buy herself a nugget as her first gun, even if 54r were being handed out for free and you could buy the rifle for 50 bucks.

>>34102078
>SKS
>fixing the stock
Heт, винтoвкa дocтaтoчнo.

>>34102227
>1911 for home defense
Enjoy only firing one shot before it jams, fag

>>34105528
You're confusing "I want to get into shooting" with "I want a gun in my purse so I can feel safe." For someone who's on the internet asking what gun they should buy first because they've never owned one before and they don't have any gun-owning friends to ask or any shooting experience to draw from, shooting paper (or off-brand coke cans etc, or sparrows and squirrels if they live in a rural setting) for a while with a plinker is exactly what they should be doing.
The kinds of people that don't own any guns and have never shot any guns and don't have any gun-owning friends that want a gun on their nightstand probably shouldn't go out and buy a hi-point in .40 and never practice with it but they're going to anyway so your recommendation is meaningless. If they have friends with guns and have a reasonable amount of experience with guns and want something on their nightstand then it's not really a "starter" gun, that's just a home defense gun, even if it is their first.

>>34105591
>hunting
>home defense
>pest animals
>because they're fun
Shotgun checks every single one of these, and I'm not much of a shotgunfag.

Even if you wanted to get a .410 for pest, a 12ga for HD and hunting you'd do better with a decent shotgun than an AR or a glock.

>>34097785
While its all fine and dandy that you dont want an ar. Youre retarted if you think they have reliability issues like they did in vietnam.

>>34105602
I can't read Russian but I can only imagine that this says "nyet, rifle is fine."

>>34105621
If someone asks for advice and you don't give them a well thought out answer, you're a bad person.

While a plinker makes sense for someone learning to shoot and who you know is going to buy another gun, it doesn't make sense for everyone.

For the purse gun mom, would you TELL her "just buy a hi point and never shoot it"? No, because that's a terrible idea. You'd tell her to get what she can shoot the best within her budget and to at least learn to use it. You wouldn't tell that woman to buy a .22lr pistol, shoot it for a year, learn to hit quarters consistently at 25 yards, THEN buy a big girl cartridge. She would need something to defend herself NOW and she may never buy another gun again.

To say that her first gun isn't a "starter" gun just because it's the only thing she'll ever have is a bit of an ignorant stance to take. It absolutely would be her starter gun because that's what she would learn with.

Again, different situations demand a diferent approach.

>>34105671
I would tell her to buy a .22 pistol and learn to shoot it because that way she can do the least damage to the rest of us until she's a big enough girl to make up her own damn mind about what she wants to carry in her purse.

>>34105626
I don't recommend a shotgun be the first thing a person learns to shoot with solely because of recoil. If someone has been around guns, they know how to shoot, and they're just weighing their options with me, he'll yeah a shotgun. Can take anything in North America with a shotgun. You hand that 18 year old noguns a shotgun with a 3 1/2 inch magnum slug and tell him to go practice so he can take his first deer, he's liable to end up on his ass with an ingrained flinch he won't shake for the rest of his life.

Bare in mind, I'm not saying this is every situation. Shotguns are great at a lot of things, they're just not my go to for a new shooter.

>>34105671
>You wouldn't tell that woman to buy a .22lr pistol, shoot it for a year, learn to hit quarters consistently at 25 yards, THEN buy a big girl cartridge.
she wouldnt need it. headshots all day senpai

>>34099876
A shitty thing that likes to melt

>>34100347
>lol you think I actually put effort into things fag

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>>34105678
>h..hey anon, you know guns, right? What kind of gun do you think a girl like me should buy, desu
PFFFT, JUST GET A .22 IF YOURE TOO DUMB TO FORM YOUR OWN OPINIONS

>>34102857
>I don't know shit about guns to the point that I'm asking internet autists for advice
>reject the advice based on the knowledge and experience that led you to ask.

>>34104943
The army can't sell them to civvies, though.

>yet

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>>34101492

>>34105784
>replying to that wall of shit

>>34105754
There's a difference between
>hey anon what should I buy
>well okay how about we go shoot some of my pistols sometime and we can see if you like any of them, and that way if you go shopping for one by yourself you can look like you know what you're talking about
>that sounds like a good idea anon, you're so serious about this stuff lol
vs
>I'm posting on an anonymous imageboard because I don't know anything about guns or know anybody to ask in person, what should I buy?
The difference is that the first person wants my opinion because she sees me as an experienced (compared to her) authority who's not trying to make a sale or push my agenda, while the second person is hoping that in the shotgun-spread of answers somebody will back up their preformulated opinion, and will be willing to argue for their preformulated opinion based on their totally unique circumstances.

>>34105811
So what you're saying is, you should give opinions that you don't actually believe solely because the medium of your answer has changed? If a person asked you face to face what gun to buy you would give a different answer to someone who asked the same question in the same situation with the same requirements solely because they asked on 4chan?

>>34104883

You're not shooting above 300m on a basic bitch AR, period.

>>34105874
Objectively false. 3 MOA is perfectly fine for hitting a man sized target beyond 300 meters. Standard loads put 300 meter shots at point of aim with a 25 yard zero and beyond that, drop is gradual enough that hold overs are adequate for getting hits out to 500 yards.

If you were to say "you're not going to kill a deer past 300 yards with an AR" then I would agree with you but to say you can't make accurate hits at 300 yards just means you're a bad shot and couldn't make the hit with anything not resting on a bench.

>>34105852
Absolutely. If an in real life friend says "what gun should I buy" we can go find out. If an autist on 4chan asks me I have to go with a baseline answer, even though they probably don't care what my answer is. I'd give the same answer on 4chan as I would if I was sitting at a red light and a stranger called out to me from the next car over "hey I don't know anything about guns what should I buy for home defense?".

>>34105920
>deer with AR15
In my west-coast state it's not even legal to shoot deer with smaller than .243, I always assumed that was pretty widespread. Are your deer smaller or is my state just not free enough? Serious question.

Havent owned one, but from what ive read, its a very light very accurate platform (due to direct impingment), has a bad rep due to vietnam and retards getting sand in their gun (weak buffer springs seem to cause the jams from normal build up. Properly tuned they will shoot thousands of rounds).

But i agree there are way too many faggots who buy them, most of whom seem to hang out on reddit after playing call of duty, so they buy a cheap one, use the pistol brace loophole so they can have a tacticool short rifle which is totally unusable in the real world without ear plugs or a suppressor.

>>34105935
Then you shouldn't even answer in the first place.

>>34105970
I'll give the best answer I can for the situation because I'm not an asshole.

>>34105956
no clue, I don't hunt deer. Theyre plenty enough for hogs, coyotes, and foxes though. Pretty sure they could be zapped from 300 yards plenty easy.

>>34105985
>I'll give the "best" answer
>even though I'm pretty sure it's the wrong one
This is how fudd lore spreads. Please stahp. There are newfags on this board who UNIRONICALLY BELIEVE glocks explode when you shoot them and they will fire if you drop them. You're breeding a whole new generation of mall ninja fudds.

>>34105956
Not him. Deer are smaller in my state. Regs say centerfire anything with expanding bullets is fine for regular firearm season. Ammunition capacity is capped at 11 total, so 10 round magazines only.

You could hunt deer with a 1911 in my state.

>>34105172

Is glock really that much of an ezmode? I thought they were just affordable handguns with no safety.

>>34106060
17+1 capacity, one less step out of the draw, decent accuracy, decent trigger, and will very rarely have issues with ammo. All that for under 500 bucks, yeah. In a competition scenario, it outperforms everything else at that price point.

It's not some magically accurate instawin, but it's so easy to shoot that it's boring.

>>34105602

A lot of SKSes in circulation have bubba'd stocks or beat to hell originals. Replacing them with a new wood stock in the original shape is fine, it's restoring the rifle to original fine-ness instead of further Bubbaing it.

>>34105767
That's not the point. It happens in family photo threads too, posting a picture with less than $1200 worth of ARs will usually get you called a poorfag, especially if any of Mosins or similar milsurp are involved. AR owners are like a worse version of Glockfags - sure it's a fine gun, but that doesn't mean you have to sperg out when someone says they want something else.

>>34098115
So it only beats them on the shit that matters.
Right.

>>34099876
Yeah, a 'melty plastic pile of bulk that opens up wider than your mom's gash after half a mag' thing. Truly a world-beater.

Don't take /k/ seriously when it comes to firearms suggestions. You can find cool patches, military surplus info, spooky innawoods stories, kek, and aesthetic here - but when it comes to common firearms that everyday people own, there's a whole lot of inaccurate information. Half of it is shitposting and misleading "facts" that I can only describe as some form of reverse fuddlore. Find out what works best for you/what you like the most, purchase it, and let others do the same. Again, stop putting so much time and energy into the tactical expertise of an Indonesian fire drill reenactment picture palooza. Also sage.

>>34105714
Imagine being so fucktarded and autistic you miss the point this badly
>>34105538
>>34105469
>huehuehue everyone is le epick baiting troll, none of these people believe anything they are saying and everyone knows that ARs are the

This is honestly pathetic. You all need to kill yourselves

>>34097785
>built AR for $500
>no gay attachments, irons only
>probably never will get attachments because I'm too poor for fancy glass

>>34098103
>The AR-15 series of rifles are objectively and unarguably the greatest modern rifles
Bolt doesn't last half of the life of the barrel, how is it the greatest rifle?

so much shitpost, everyone hates ARs and Glocks, yet they are two of the most common sought-after weapons in western society. lel. the same people hating are the same ones who will hate you for listening to their favorite band because you only just heard of them and you arent a true "fan"

this is without a doubt the most autistic thread I've seen in a long time, and I'm counting /ARG/ of course

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>complaining about how popular the AR-15 has become

Whether you're a fan of the rifle or not, I'd imagine that you'd rather have everyone like it than everyone wanting it banned. People getting into shooting is good. The fact that the AR-15 is the most popular firearm in America speaks volumes.

It's by no means my favorite rifle, but I do enjoy it. You should try to appreciate the platform as opposed to either obsessing over it or hating it.

>>34108049
>Bolt doesn't last half of the life of the barrel
That is just categorically false.

>>34108093
>>34108717
What's it like being illiterate and stubborn? Do you guys really believe the AR-15 appeals to everyone and everyone needs to buy one because they exist? Do you guys even lurk /k/ and see these mall ninja dicksuckers?

>>34109435
>Do you guys really believe the AR-15 appeals to everyone and everyone needs to buy one because they exist?
Not who you're replying to, but no. I don't think everyone needs to buy an AR. I do think your hatred for it is irrational and childish.

>>34109597
You're literally just saying "lmao you mad" like their aren't dozens of posts in here outlining that some people just don't want them and are sick of the autistic fanboys and dozens more from said autistic fanboys getting actually mad.
>not who you're replying to
You clearly are. End you're are own life.

I hate AR15s so much. such a shitty gun that fanboys love to jack off over because muh affordability and "look how I can dress it up like a barbie doll". I hope AR15s get banned.

>>34109630
>You clearly are.
Right, because it isn't like this thread is mostly different people disagreeing with the irrational hatred of an inanimate object.

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>>34097785
It will be irrelevant soon

>Implying it already isn't

>>34109649
It's exceedingly obvious that you are the same guy in this chain of comments acting like a fucking like going "YOU'RE ALL SO IRRATIONAL ITS HATRED etc" in a thread full of reasonable assertions for the position, neverminding the thread is largely about you faggots acting like you are now, which you are well aware of.

>>34109673
Nope. That is wrong.

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>>34109641
Hahaha what a faggot. Here you go buddy.

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>>34109641

For someone who wants an easily removable barrel, a .22LR conversion kit and a lot of modularity, what else would there be to choose from ?

>>34109691
>falling for that level of bait

AR-Fags are the weebs of gun

>>34109711
Who the fuck wants that? How about if you just want a good rifle?

>>34109726
Well the AR-15 is a good rifle that comes to mind retard.

>>34097785
>its the obligatory "x is now cheap and common so it must be shit" thread

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>>34109641
>>34109713

Staymadbro.

>>34109732
Uh, that's the point.

>>34109757
>>34109758
>the obligatory "I lack self awareness and reading comprehension because I have literal aspergers so I'm going to illustrate OPs point in a repetitive and exemplary fashion" posts

>>34101099
>I don't want semi auto
>GET AN AR GET AN AR GETANARGETANARGETANAR
you are actually retarded

>>34109844
kek, you mad

>>34109844
>this anon unironically calls other people autists
El oh el

>>34097785
I hate how ARs look. Just about any other assault rifle looks better in my high and mighty opinion.

>>34109858
>>34109871
Literal 400lb aspergers patients who live with their mom and train for the zombie apocalypse

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>>34097913
You say this but my ar10 will start jamming if I shoot steel cased ammo out of it. Meanwhile ak doesn't give a fuck.

>>34110077
AKs are designed to shoot steel. ARs are designed to shoot brass. Do you also try to cram D cell batteries into your remote?

>>34109965
>Salt rifle
2/10 bait

>>34110095
In what way was an AR designed specifically for brass? A non precision gun should be able to handle slightly out of spec ammo.

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>>34097785
>t. assmad slaviboo

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>all the butblasted vatniks ITT
lamo
akek47 BTFO

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>>34097785

Smells fishy

>>34110193
>In what way was an AR designed specifically for brass?
It just was. Armalite never did any testing or development for steel cased ammo. There is documentation of this and a number of subject matter experts like James Sullivan and Chris Bartocci have addressed this. Bartocci went so far as to talk about what would be necessary to make the rifle primarily reliable with non-NATO spec ammunition; it's a shit load. Do some ARs work with steel cased? Yeah, certainly. But ALL ARs are LESS reliable with it by design.

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>>34101291
>Yourjeansboner

Made me giggle m8

>>34102178
>he factors function over aethetics
Found the 17 year old. You arent getting in a gun fight, youll never join a revolution, aesthetics above all.

>Few years back
>Nogun
>Go to the range every 3 days for 2 years straight
>Have witnessed clans in all the faggots around
>Being in France, luckily dodged 1911, M1+14, 1903 and B.A.R ultra faggots
>Didn't dodged Glock and AR one
>"Muh AR tightest shite ever, only 2000€ !"
>Being in France, literally S&W MP15... at 2000€
>No M855 fun, crate of 1000 is 600€ AND it's from Magtech
>"Muh Glock so gud, here take it and feel it"
>alltheaftermarket.jpg
>Slowly start catching cancer
>Don't want to be nogun anymore
>faggots try to convert me as hard as they can
>Even the church of FAL
>fuckthem.avi
>Go for a SA VZ 58 and a Rex Zero1
>Feel like a fucking snowflake but dodge the fangays.

>>34105920

How much did that scope cost you? Because a basic bitch AR doesn't come with a decent optic.

>>34112027
>VZ 58
>dodge the fangays

Ehhh...I don't know.

>>34106004
>stahp
>actually thinking newfags don't just pick up on glockfags being pretentious assholes and learn to twig their autism early
>conflating mall ninjas, larval Bubbas, with Fudds.

Back to plebbit with you, shoo shoo shoo.

>>34099365
Their cartridge has about the same effective range and less momentum than an a 1864 snider and the AR has considerably more inclination to present issues than an 1864 snider.

The AR is marketed to idiots.

ARs are ugly shit guns for fat people with weak forearms.

>>34097952
..but then..
>>34099876
>>34109661

So OP complains about AR15s (which are mostly aluminum and steel) being "shitty plastic" and then goes on to use two rifles genuinely made of shitty plastic as examples of better guns.

Such obvious bait in this thread, how can you guys feed into this?

>>34108093

Mall ninjas thinking a "tacticool" rifle will improve their abysmal aim and niggers wanting "dat rap gat" are not people to emulate.

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But they're sexy looking guns. I don't know much about guns so you hate them why exactly? Plastic and shitty fanbase?

>>34109732
>AR-15
>good

It breaks so fucking easily tho

>>34101099
>no reason not to want one
>pray tell

Jesus, you make me want to cancel the PSA parts I ordered.

>>34110681

So reliable and battle tested lmao.

>>34111645

If there ever is a revolution you want to be the motherfucker who ends up in the history books as the illustration for the page that talks about the Burning of California and the Wall Defense Force, wearing a loincloth made from the Rhodesian flag and a gas mask and hoisting a mosin over your head like a tusken raider. Aesthetics ALWAYS matter.

ARfags are the worst

>prefer 20rnd mags in my AR for aesthetics
>have a few 30s just in case
>get shit every time I go to the range because I have 20s

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>>34097785
>>34103701
Damn, the AR must be doing something right to cause this much bootyflustering. ;^

>>34112450

They're hideous and if you try to club a terrorist to death with one after running out of ammo you'll just tickle him. Look at all of that ugly black polymer, shitty rails, and bulbous attachments growing on it. Modern ARs are designed to appeal to the kind or person who thinks black trenchcoats, fingerless gloves, and fantasy daggers are cool...with one exception. Some are designed to appeal to people who desperately want to look military but could never make the cut physically.

>>34112620

The OP pic in that thread is one of the few aesthetically decent ARs.

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summer b8 in its prime gg

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>>34112637
>Some are designed to appeal to people who desperately want to look military but could never make the cut physically.

yup, thats me alright.

>>34112336
I accept all that as fact. You should still buy one :-)

>>34112682

If you do that with an AR it will snap.

>>34112717

At least you admit it. True story, a few days ago I see some guys getting out of a muddy pickup and getting out cases of what I assume were guns, because they were all dressed in camo and some were wearing plate carriers. One tall, skinny fucker with a mohawk and one of those operator beards was OCing two machetes on his fucking back, and stared me down as I was leaving the lot to go to work. Either he was the biggest faggot poser ever or I just nearly got killed by a man who peels the faces off talibans.

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>>34112280
As stupid as it may sound, in my country VZ fangays are pretty tame, will have to manage with internet one tho, i wanted to pick a Robinson XCR or Bren 805 first, but 5.56 prices here is wild compared to 7.62x39.

>>34097952
I'm absolutely disgusted by people who use the term "bubba." If you were near me I would beat you to death with a brick.

>>34097785
>tfw you just want some basic bitch gun with irons in your closet
>tfw everyone else is losing their minds arguing bullshit you can't relate to
>tfw not bothered by some boogeyman fanbase who's supposed to make you hate what they enjoy
>tfw be meta contrarian and hate everybody
every time I see these threads I feel like caveman who discovered modern humanity only to be confused by "civilized intelligent beings" flinging shit at each other over a banana.