>reliable semi-autos designed in literally 1900 >police

>>34085729
Police didn't have a need for that kind of firepower. Think of how Japan is today, that was America 60 or 70 years ago. America was way safer, and less violent than it has been in the later half of the 20th century and the 21st century. The militarization of police with semi autos, and body armour, correlates with a rise in violent crime, from a time when a small revolver in .38 special was more than enough for most officers

Same reason that the British military didn't budge on their Webleys until the 50s; it just wasn't sporting and too lethal. It's dumb, I know, but who ever said cops were smart?

This being said, there was this idea that 6 shots of .357 would be enough to kill just about anything. It's the same logic behind staying with a single-stack 1911 in .45 in regards to the fact that they're not anticipating missing a shot.

>>34085729
The War on Drugs gave police a fuck ton of money to buy new shit with. It also incentivized more "proactive" enforcement measures.

>>34085729
The magazines sucked until like the 70s

>>34085729
Familiarity and manual of arms. Revolvers are simple: "point and click"

It wasn't until double-stack magazines came on the scene where the increased firepower made up for the extra training necessary to operate a semiauto. Even then, most pistols required a safety to toggle off, which would be a problem when you have some degenerate wrestling with you and you need to unholster and shoot his ass in a life or death scenario. That's a major reason why the "drop-safe, no safety Glock" became so popular. Cops aren't soldiers. Their weapons are meant to be a last resort. Equipping them with more effective lethal options was a low priority for most departments.

Hardly any niggers to deal with.

>>34085811

>the 60's and 70's were less violent

Holy fuck, you don't actually believe this do you? I know that you weren't alive during this period, but please, don't delude yourself. These were hilarious dangerous times for practically anyone that lived inna city. More rural places in theory were safer, but they also had their fair share of insane shit going down. Gentrification literally saved urban population centers. These decades were a period of time in which tens of thousands of people would full on riot every year, multiple times in the year in every city. And not "mad because your team lost" riot, but full-on riot, kill the shit out of people, burn down multiple square blocks, etc. And that wasn't accounting for just the general day to day scumminess and criminality in these places. The 60's and 70's were fucking terrible.

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>>34085811
>America was way safer, and less violent than it has been in the later half of the 20th century and the 21st century.
It's a little more complicated than that

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>>34085811
>>34085841

Both of these are correct. Semi-Autos were regarded as "too lethal" because at worst officers were facing serial murderers armed with a hatchet or a shotgun at the time; which is why officers also carried a 12g between the seats.

It wasn't until the war on drugs, or even better; until non-white hispanics were being introduced into the country en masse that the need for more volumes of firepower was offset from the pure killability of the .38spl / .357 / .44

>>34085811
except violent crime has been declining for several decades.....

>>34085729
US was less diverse back then, lol

>>34085811
pretty much this. the nigger problem didn't happen until the perfect storm of snivel rights/communism/islamification
also for anyone dealing with firefighting such as the fbi the 1911 was the goto pistol

>>34085914
But when did semiautos and SWAT become all the rage? The 90s. The highwater mark of gang activity.

>>34085729
Law enforcement and war fighting were/are very different. To win a war, you destroy your opponents ability to wage said war, usually through inflicting casualties and destroying infrastructure. LE is all about being able to haul a perp in front of a judge. It's the difference between a murderes toolbox and a kid appears. There is some overlap, but largely two different approaches and skill sets.

>>34085908
Yeah, now that I think about it I really should have changed it to pre war USA. Thanks for pointing that out.

>>34085811
>America 60 or 70 years ago. America was way safer,

The fact that you think that is honestly hilarious; the complete opposite is true.

>>34085936
*kidnappers
Man, fuck mobile

>>34085729
Revolvers were pretty much fine for the things police were expected to tackle back then. It was kind of a harsh wake up call when they realized that they were starting to be outgunned by everyone.

>>34085729
Crack cocaine changed the entire United states. Police were dealing with many gangs who were fighting for turf vs the couple of kingpins that ran heroin in each city. These guys were arming up with modern firearms and so did the cops.

>>34085953
I should have specified from a gang violence perspective. It was pretty bad during the 20's and the prohibition era, but I still think the urban gang violence of the 90's has had a big influence on police procedures, and equipment

>>34085953
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
according to these states i'd say the crime explosion started in '67 after nigger loofa kings assassination
and reached its high water mark in the mid 70s comparable too population increase. which is when PDs were issued semi-automatics

>>34085729
A number of agencies used semi-autos during the Prohibition-era, but once it was repealed and the economic chaos of the Depression settled down most departments saw little reason to upgrade until crime rates spiked again in the 70's and 80's.

Also, it should be noted that it was far more acceptable for police to law hands on a person and physically force them to do something. A revolver is often plenty enough backup when nobody complains about you taking a baton to the back of a suspects head until they stop resisting.

>>34085811
You are aware that roving gangs of robbers were celebrities nearly a century ago right? People who robbed banks with machine guns

>>34086000

This is a really good point, Anon.

I completely forgot about how physical compliance has pretty much been done away with due to excessive force suits.

>>34085909
I need some sauce on that pile of shit before I eat it

>>34085908
He said 60 or 70 years ago, not "the 60's and 70's" you autistic retard.

>>34085908
>inna city
yeah, after the cultural revolution when the whites fled the cities it was generally a terrible place to be as an "empowered" darkie. at least as a slave you didn't need to worry about your bunkmate tyrone capping your ass for a five dollar bill.

>>34085729
Until the wonder 9s you had, for the most part, rube goldberg machines with capacities that were basically the same as revolvers, and often had fixed internal magazines, or magazines that were more difficult than modern ones to replace.

Until capacity made semi-auto the obvious choice revolvers made sense, for the purposes of training and stockpiles of existing arms.

1900 was the very beginning of decent semi autos. The late 1800s and early 1900s were a clusterfuck of various pistol designs and calibers

>>34086094
The biggest problem is that using force on a resisting party always looks excessive. Paradoxically it manages to look even more excessive if you're trying not to injure the person.

>>34085908
reading comprehension is truly difficult isn't it?

>>34085909
>40's and 50's are literally the best years of the US
>then hippies appeared and ruined everything

>>34085909
>Homicides go up after 1965 Immigration Act is passed

really makes me think...

>>34085811
>america was way safer 60 or 70 years ago

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>>34088115
Forgot pic like idiot

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>>34085729

>>34085841
British police don't even have guns.

>>34088170
Norn iron would like a word, every cop is armed there

>>34088122
>imblying gangsters and bank robbers did not use BARs and Thompsons on a daily basis

>>34088122
That was the reason cops started carrying rifles in their cars, not the reason they started carrying automatic pistols.

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>>34088232
Who the fuck is Norn Iron?

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>>34085909
>tfw you will never live in post WWII america

>>34088462
https://youtu.be/fki3dOCkM3I?t=180

>>34085729
Believe it or not there was a time when being a cop meant more than murdering taxpayers and wiping your ass with the Constitution. It wasn't all beer and pizza, there were a lot of truly evil things done by men in uniform, but most were genuinely just trying to serve and protect the public good. Nowadays, not so much.

>>34085910
>He has the inferior Official Police
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
.41LCfag here

>>34088040
Actually you can lay that on ww2 vets. Criminals came back from Europe and the Pacific with a whole new set of skills, and regular Joes came back to a country that just didn't make any damn sense. Some stayed at home and tried to fake it while others bought surplus Harleys and took to the roads. It's no coincidence that the post war years showed a rise in organized crime (murder inc., the syndicate, the new York families, etc.) as well as the birth of the outlaw biker subculture. Hippies were just dumb kids. Vets blew shit up. There was also a similar boom after ww1.

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>>34088577
Some of us still join the police to protect and serve you know

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>>34085729
>>34085936
>>34085910

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv8cByaVyNQ

I always thought it was a pretty reactionary move for law enforcement to upgrade their arsenal.

Paul Harrell also demonstrates everything pretty well.

>>34085729
If you're not talking about proliferation of the AR, and we're only discussing sidearms- Glock did the same thing Apple did in schools, give away their products like hot cakes. Shitloads of departments got them for free or cheap, and then people realised that semi-auto's don't actually suck at all.

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>>34085729
simplicity, logistics, and basic needs. A revolver was just good enough for an average cop, some carried semi autos if they wanted but for the most part a simple 6 shot revolver was all that was needed. Most criminals at the time had more or less the same firepower, now its different where a guy could have a 5-7 shot pistol OR a 16 shot pistol, so they needed to upgrade
Believe it or not, most LEO departments are too obsessed with their firepower and gear, either they over spend and buy too much useless shit but dont bother training with it or they go for the the bare minimum "just good enough". Its why everyone uses a glock still despite their being arguably better options