>Stable, lightly-armored, heavily-defended weapons platform

>>34079994
Well, the specs you mentionned are doable, just not like your pic.

Also, the question is rather "would such a gunship be desirable or useful in real-world scenarios ?"

>>34080026
>just not like your pic.

Why?

>>34080062
Not that anon but those fans wouldn't lift half of that "gunship".

Not that its a good idea anyway.

>>34080062
Large quadcopters moving at speed isn't really something we've either got an interest in developing, or need to develop. What you're asking for is essentially a heavily-armed Chinook.

Unless you were going up against enemies with little to no Anti-air, it would be totally useless.

>>34079994
Bigger than a Chinook, easier to hit than a Chinook.

As soon as you go into drop off troops, a few men with RPGs could take it out.

>>34079994
AC-130's aren't really a thing, and that's already more practical than what you're describing.

Pro-tip, if it was in avatar, it didn't make sense unless it was a missile or a bullet

>>34079994
Try 16-ish ducted fans
Holy fuck balls the mass (inertia)

>>34079994
Disposable drop pods flying suborbital trajectories would be a better option. They'll come in vertically over the drop zone at high speed. Troops must be really strapped in though.

>>34080726
DEEP STRIKING

>>34079994

Even if such a thing were feasible it would almost certainly make more sense to disperse the capability between 2-4 separate platforms. Much more flexible. If nothing else you could have a few dedicated gunships fly overwatch while the dedicated transport dropped off the troops.

>>34079994

>Lightly-armored

Well, at least it can theoretically fly with some future spehss magic. Might not do so well for keeping it airborne once someone starts shooting back, but baby steps I guess.

>>34079994
Those rotors are not big enough for a brick that size so no.

>>34081706
Mo fo, i seent iornman jump start rotors dat ratio to boat size

>>34081735
Thats a movie learn about aircraft, engines, and aerodynamics.

>>34081756
>Thats a movie
Are you a fish?
I cast some good bait

>>34079994
>Would such a gunship be feasible in real-world scenarios?

No, because in the real world physics are a thing,

>>34079994
>Would such a gunship be feasible in real-world scenarios?

Nope.

>Larger airframe
>bigger engines
>more fuel
>heavier airframe
>bigger engines
>More fuel
>troops, guns, boolits, armour, rockets
>Heavier airframe
>more fuel....

And so on.

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Would such a helicarrier be feasible in real-world scenarios?

>>34083734
I wish

>>34080062
What are you carrying? A hovercraft? Are you going to air transport 3 ATV side by side in there?

>>34081426
STEAL REHN

>>34083734
>feasible in real-world scenarios?
shut the fuck up already

>>34083734
I've never understood why the landing strip leads right over the fan

What about the smaller dragonfly ducted helicopters Anons?

>>34085001
because go-arounds are for faggots

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You'd have better luck with something smaller OP.

>>34086349
I love how fat the pelican gets every time a new Halo game comes out.

>>34086349
honestly I never understood why something like the pelican was never actually built irl

>>34086764
because it slaps the flight systems of two harrier jets onto the body of the deranged lovechild of a blackhawk and an osprey while being able to repeatedly ingress and egress on planetary atmospheres.

>>34086349
Drag, drag, drag going up and down the frame

>>34083734
Now I am not a expert on aerodynamics, but I dont think four lift fans would give that thing any kind of high altitude

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>2017
>still no orca gunship

What went wrong?

>>34087202
Merrily merrily merrily merrily, aerodynamics, what a shame.

>>34087006
well, just cut out the leaving atmosphere part, would it be feasible?

>>34087334
All I know is I'd fund it regardless knowing they'd have to make it feasible somehow.

>>34080100
>Implying it wouldn't spooky the fuck out of them.

>>34087259
F-35 took all the budget.

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>>34086349
Better dropship incoming

>>34087259
>>34087424
Also EA kill imaginations.

>>34083734
If the fans are fixed, how does it move forward?

>>34083734
>>34087586
Also, the fans are spaced unevenly, so where exactly is the center of mass/ lift on this thing?

>>34081774
Nobody cares about your shit baits, nigger

>>34087586
You increase thrust on the rear rotors tilting the aircraft forward, then even out the thrust on both and you move forward.

>>34086764
It's basically a spaceplane Osprey. So, the best real-life equivalent would be the Osprey.

>>34087586
In the first Avengers movie, you see it from behind. It has banks of jet engines arranged across the back of the two rear fans to provide forward thrust

>>34087800
Czech'd.
Thanks for the answer

>>34080067
The atmosphere is different on Pandora. Might be more lifting.

>>34080069
The mission on Pandora is different. The enemy is wildlife, not a military force.

>>34081804
Maybe it's fusion powered.

>>34080026
yup too much expenses in a too slow too big and to juicy package.

>>34086349
THICC

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>>34087455
my man

>>34087923

Yeah but the codex in the game says that all the equipment on pandora was used in earth conflicts and vetted back here. They're actually a few years old because they have better emp protection and are more rugged than the uber futuristic shit they have on Earth.

>>34088183
Pandora has EMPs now?

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>>34079994
Don't just think gunships - think Carryalls. Think what strategical and tactical possibity open if its feasible to drop and pick up MBT quickly into and from the battlefield

>Would such a gunship be feasible in real-world scenarios?

Sure, as long as you can find a reliable source for the liquid gossamer you'll need to fuel it.

>>34088192

>The Scorpion Gunship was built for use on Earth as terrorists and insurgents had gained access to EMP (Electromagnetic pulse) weaponry to counter drones and other combat machines used by militaries and the like, whose combat hulls and external electronics were hardened against EMP weaponry. However, the "soft" CPU remained vulnerable, short-circuiting and leaving the drone both harmless and helpless in the field of combat. The RDA realized it needed a manned attack craft to negate the obvious disadvantages that would come with the short-circuiting of a drone's CPU, in that a human would remain unaffected by EMP weaponry, while the Scorpion's hardened hull would remain steadfast and flying.

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Superior VTOL craft coming through

Also, not an engineer, but is the any reason this wouldn't work?

>>34088223

Forgot link
http://james-camerons-avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Scorpion_Gunship

Makes sense I guess. Pandora is a prettu close moon of a fuckhuge gas giant, and those fuckers have some intense radiation fields going on.

Better to have shielding against EM fuckery.

Of course, ignoring the principle that I'm pretty sure a lot of modern vehicles arealready hardened against EMPs. Could be wrong though.

>>34088225

I once saw someone on spacebattles talk about how the rotos are way too close together or something.

And just from the look of it, I'd wonder where they store any fuel, and why it has no doors to protect occupants.

w/e though, falcon is objectively best vehicle in the series

>>34088225
>>34088233

I found the spacebattles link

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/uh-144-falcon-vs-modern-helicopters.252612/

>>34088227
It doesn't really make sense to me. Building fairiday cages into the hull should protect the CPU.

>>34080726
>drop pods flying suborbital trajectories
Those can't dodge and can't be made stealthy

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>>34088438

Yeah.

It's weird to see a film with one of the most beatiful scifi ships of hollywood ever (pic related was designed by a physicist and is pretty damn scientifically accurate) get so many things in regards to the choppers and whatnot wrong.

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>>34079994

>>34088559
I'm just pissed that the shot of the Venture Star firing her engines for the acceleration burn to take the leftover RDA folks back to Earth got cut at the end.

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Why don't we have quad ospreys?

>>34089266
Twice the maintenance?

>>34088196
mbt's are too heavy
we need multi-turret IFVs with personnel carrying space

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>>34086349
>C-130 sized helo that can go into fucking space

>>34079994
How did it get Taken down by cats riding dinosaurs throwing spears?

>>34089506
Plot armor

>>34089266
2x as many things can go wrong

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>>34079994

>>34089548
semi-best dropship.

>>34089506
>tfw avatar is basically a native americans wet dream

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>>34088225
Be better if it was a little tiltrotor.
>Tfw this was on a PopSci cover and all I could think was "holy shit IRL Falcon when?"

>>34080067
i would guess that it uses the antigrav unobtainium that they are there to mine

>>34089973
Are you drunk? Out of all the Sci-fi dropships in most of known fiction the Cheyenne is one of the few that is armed to the teeth and can carry a ton of infantry and a vehicle to boot. At the same time it fulfills the rule of cool role despite being an aerodynamic brick.

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>>34079994
Humans could've won if they had used artillery to shell hometree and the spirit tree. The colonel states that the blue monkeys were massing their forces only a few kilometers away; they had the intel but didnt use it effectively and instead decided to be lead into an obvious trap.

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We've got a long time to wait for that kind of firepower on a dropship

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Top Gun, circa 2077

>>34091142
Falcon is a tiltrotor ingame though. Don't insult my airborne 'hog.
>That pic...
Brother I would leave the civvie world and go straight for a commission to fly one of those.
>Inb4 new tech kills pilots.
Worth it to die living out my fantasies.

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>>34086349
>>34089497
>C130 sized
Holy fuck I never knew it was that big. That's stupid huge for the amount of maneuverability it has. I love it.

I've also noticed that humanity's main multirole interceptor could dwarf a fucking B52H.

A FIGHTER JET dwarfing a fucking strategic bomber.

And the 535 metre long Paris Class frigate practically has the speed and maneuverability of a goddamn 747.

>>34079994
>As big as a C-47 with less milage.
>Large radar signature.

No.

>>34085001

Because you better fucking land.

>>34086764
>>34087006
It also has giant fucking magnets to carry fully loaded tanks into battle.

>>34089548
Literally what the Pelican was based off.

>>34088227
>Makes sense I guess.
No it doesn't. Why would they harden externals but not the internals? What's stopping them from protecting the actual goddamn aircraft? On top of that, how is the crew able to fly the plane with no electronics if they do get EMPed? Even something much less mechanically complex like a car is little more than a rolling brick since you've killed the engine, power steering, stability controls and ABS. You'd just have a couple of meatbags sitting inside of a metal coffin more difficult to control than an autorotating helicopter. It's just plausible enough an explanation to work for a movie with your brain turned off but it doesn't hold up if you're putting that bird into the real world.

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>>34086764
Ahem...

>>34095272
What the ever loving fuck? How would an EMP destroy an engine? Do you mean the ECU computer? They're hardened against magnetic interference. Power steering is a mechanical device, not digital. Antilock brakes, even if they DID fail, would not prevent the vehicle from working properly. It just means that if you stomp the brakes like a retarded soccer mom that you start sliding. At worst, an EMP would trip up your crankshaft position censor and your car would stall. Guess what, you just disconnect the battery, wait 30 seconds, then reconnect and fire it back up. You don't think an EMP is going to damage a spark plug or something, do you?

>>34095311
I wasn't aware that ECUs were currently hardened, the other stuff the car can run without, yes. So the analogy falls apart, but if you did bork the ECU somehow we're back in the running.

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>>34083734
> Landing strip pointed right at a fan
Ahiggidy diggiggdy

>>34095328
You're not going to break the ECU with an electronic attack. None of the support systems would fail due to electronic interference. You'd shut down a lot of creature comforts. On board computers and the like, but those are separate hardware from the ECU for a reason. At worst, with cheaper cars with a digital keyless ignition, you may have to rig a starter. That's just a matter of getting power to the starter itself, though.

>>34095311
>>34095328
It's a flying fucking brick without computers, not just some engine and car rubbish you rednecks

>>34095364
I'll head over to /o/ in shame. I could swear I read an article about law enforcement wishing they could enact the scenario I mentioned earlier during car chases. Either I'm misremembering or the science therein was terrible.

Rereading that post where I jumped in I'm actually wondering how the thing is vulnerable to EMPs if the entire hull is hardened though.

>>34095380
You might've missed the analogy portion of that post, friend. No one disagreed that an aircraft without electronics was pretty properly fucked.

>>34095380
Point the first: that reply chain was about a comment that even cars would be useless after an EMP attack. That is a falsehood, as very little of what makes a car actually run is controlled by sensitive electronics connected by thin gauge wire.
Point the second: do you really think military vehicles and aircraft aren't hardened against an EMP attack?

>>34095446
I don't know for fact but I think I've heard that the A-10 warthog was supposed to be operable after being EMP????

>>34088196
Those new GDI "CarryAll's" were gay. The C&C1 and 2 (and C&C3-NOD) ORCA Carry All's are the best heavy lifters.

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>>34087259
>2017
>still no dual 120mm cannons and missile pods
What went wrong?

>>34089506
The navi that was controlled by a human jumped on it and threw a grenade in the heat vent.

>>34095588
They tried dual 120mm guns in a mid Cold War german mega-Stug/Hetzer prototype

But the "firing makes us have to re-aim the other gun again" made them switch to an ATGM launching anti-tank track machine.

>>34086764
Well its a Hind fucked an Osprey in space so its not that far off irl

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>>34096141

>>34079994
maybe with 6 or 8 large sized jet engines, with some kind of stability mechanism

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the drop ship from elysium was pretty baler

>>34096141
>>34096146
>>34097437
>dem low bypass fans aimed straight down for landing

Y'know, I love sci dropships and all, but I can't help but wonder how any of the smaller aerospace ones actually get to space, realistically. Even with a LEO parking orbit, you still need a speed of approx. 11 km/s to reach escape velocity on earth. For that matter, take Halo's pelican: Are those jets or rockets it uses.

This all ignores dropships such as in Battletech where they're just fuckhuge SSOs and legit fusion torch rockets strapped to the bottom of disco balls.

>>34095957
Fun story but the design for the Dropship for Aliens was actually done by James Cameron himself. He didn't like any of the concept art his team was coming up with, so on his way home he stopped by a hobby shop and bought a bunch of helicopter models and proceeded to kitbash the prototype on his kitchen table.

>>34096175
>maybe with 6 or 8 large sized jet engines, with some kind of stability mechanism


No. A Boeing 747 can hold 40k gallons of fuel, that weighs almost 136 tonnes. You are now on about fuelling 6 to 8 'large' engines, so now you need more fuel, one Turbofan engine burns 600gs a second, 8 will burn 4.8 kilos a second and I'm only doing this off the weight of one 747. The massive weight of this craft will push the fuel efficiency down and yeah. Nope.

A range of 680 miles fully loaded??? Nope.

>>34087923
>The atmosphere is different on Pandora. Might be more lifting.
Wrong. What causes lifting? Differences in air pressure around the object. What causes a change in the amount of lift? Increasing or decreasing the ambient air pressure around the object (i.e. the entire planet). If the Pandorian air pressure was more or less than usual, peoples' bodies would either gradually (or spontaneous) break apart (due to lack of pressure), or they would be squished into their bodies (due to too high of pressure), potentially killing their organs. The fact that they don't wear suits on the planet shows that the air pressure is roughly the same.
t. physicist

>>34097591
What about the lower gravity? Would that have an effect?
Apologies I dont know physics all that well

>>34084153

FOR TERRA

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>115 replies
>no one posted yet the best flying whale

/k/ I am of disapoint

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>>34095588

>>34088445
neither can ballistic missiles but no one's figured out a way to reliably stop them

>>34093972
meh anything that can ssto is gonna be fuckhuge and have the performance to match

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>>34083734
fake and gay

>>34091942
I don't think they had stuff like that. That's why they had to rig the shuttle as a bomber using mining explosives. They weren't equipped for a full war cause the science fags were supposed to help stop that from happening.

>>34095928
With modern recoiling barrel designs it could probably be made feasible

>>34089266
2x dead marines i guess?

>>34098028
Lower gravity would have an effect, because that would reduce the thrust needed to get off the ground / stay off the ground. However, based solely off appearances on how the actors moved around in the movie, it appears that the gravity is roughly earth's. If there was less gravity, there'd be a similar effect to people bouncing on the moon. Not that extreme, considering it's a full-sized planet and not a moon, but there's be a slight bounce / lift to peoples' movements.
But yeah, on a planet with less gravity, or greater atmospheric pressure, it could be possible for these things to work.

>>34098491
This thing is also just as stupid.

>>34095588
Onl good for AA duty as a SPAAG not as a MBT. Go dream some more kid.

>>34099579
still smarter than the avengers marvel cuck

>>34096141
>>34096146
It looks cool but it wouldn't fly in real life. For once I'd like to see a dropship that was realistic.

>>34099614
No it's not having that many tankers refuel a thing that large is also stupid. The logistics on the thing alone would be huge, and when compared to a carrier on water it would be way too expensive. Plus since its so giant all the enemy has to do is shoot lots of missiles towards it and they wouldn't even need to hit it. Both designs are equally stupid, but still cool.