Is the m&p shield /k/ approved as a daily carry gun? Gander

>>34075959
Yes. Dry fire before you buy to make sure it fits your hand.

>>34075959
Yep.

Fuck S&W, and Springfield. Traitors to gun rights, both of them. They'd sell you a gun today even if it meant you'd lose all your children's rights.

Get a glock.

>>34075959
>/k/ approved
That's... not something that holds merit.

But that is an adequate firearm for ccw.

>>34075959
http://palmettostatearmory.com/deals/smith-wesson-rebate-deals.html

>>34076014
was gonna poast this

>>34075959
Dude you can get it cheaper online. Don't give Judaic Mountain your shekels

>>34076014
>>34076019
another deal with two extra mags


https://www.gunbuyer.com/smith-and-wesson-m-p-shield-9mm-3-barrel-7-1-8-1-single-stack-black-180021-sw180021-gb.html

>>34075959
$284.99 on gunbroker right now.
The PK380 is the easiest to rack the slide ever for ladies and manlets with weak wrists.

>>34075959

It's an ok pistol. Awesome for 275-325 bucks. I don't carry mine because the grip length is 99% that of my G19 and if its gonna print anyway I might as well have 7+ extra rounds in the magazine.

>>34076127
g19 master race

Op here

If I bought it online what's the typical ffl transfer fee?

>>34076167
They should name a power drill g19...

>>34076206
Varies widely. In my AO it ranges from $10-$35. You gonna have to check around your area.

>>34076127
Too fat for wife's hands but I might get one soon. Currently have a xds 45 which is just awful.

>>34076306
Yeah found a place a couple miles away that'll do it for $25. Will call Monday

>>34076006
How is S&W a traitor to gun rights? Not challenging you, just genuinely curious. I heard about Springfield, but not S&W.

>>34076006
Story? I like your enthusiasm. I try to research companies that I have a choice in the industry of before buying. Unfortunately, of what you're saying is true, I already got a Shield cuz it's American and I'm white. Glock with always be a nigger gun to me. Not the mags, just the guns. But companies fucking over their customers have no place in my house, hence why I don't buy HK or care anything for.

>>34076325
Everything they make is fine except for their revolvers with those goddamned hillary holes.

http://www.businessinsider.com/smith-and-wesson-almost-went-out-of-business-trying-to-do-the-right-thing-2013-1

I own the 9mm and want to get the .45 after I rented one last weekend
The .45 is much nicer to shoot than the 9mm

>>34076364
Sounds like a "if you it can't beat em, join em" scenario. Bill "hold her tighter, she's a fighter" Clinton made it difficult for everyone and was only riding out the fruits of the economic boom Reagan created and Bush Sr. fostered which is why the deadbeat politicians got behind him in droves. It seemed like free market capitalism was fucked for a time. Now HK, they weren't pushed up to the wall on anything...

>>34076474
It was a total cuck move.

oh d-d-dear maybe if we cuck our guns ourselves big daddy dick won't fuck us so bad.

Well yeah those british faggots that owned it at the time escaped the legislative noose only to see their investment disappear overnight. In the end they sold one of the greatest names in American gun making to a fucking lock company for $15mil.

>>34075959
I wouldn't, I used to own a 9c and the trigger it (and the shield) comes with is just god awful. It's safety feature will cause it to randomly not work unless your finger is on it just right, and even after hundreds of rounds it was gritty as hell.

Personally I wouldn't have trusted the damn thing further than I could throw it. It jammed all the time too.

That said, try one out for yourself at the range. Who knows, maybe you'll find one that's ok, but I would say that swapping the trigger out is a must.

shield 9 and 40s are sort of shit unless you dump some money into it IMO. The 45 has a lot of improvements (smoother slide, slightly better trigger, better grips, slightly better ergo for me due to size, stopping powah, etc).

For 9, I'd rather a 43 or a pps m2

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>>34076375
Really? I just bought the 9mm one because of the rebate because my 40 version sucks to shoot... Makes me sad to think I paid around $450 for the damn thing when they first came out...

>>34075959
Lel they are like $250 with rebate and transfer fee from PSA

>>34075959

Fucking love it.

>>34075959
Piece of shit. I'm glad I sold mine.

Brace for triggered glockfags.

Rundown on gun manufacturers

HK doesn't hate you. They are in part cucked by the German government, and import fees. For the most part, expensive, but generally an Ok tier company

SW cowtowed to gungrabbers with internal lock, however did not actively pursue gun control measures. Most of their guns don't do much for me. I am however a fan of the new Model 66 and 69.

Ruger was ran by a king fudd of sorts, ready to sell us down the river but never pulled the trigger on what he said. Their marketing of investment casting is good, but in practice eh. Ever owned a Mini 14 or M77 with uneven receivers? Tried your damndest to make those rings line up but they don't? I have. My LCP is made pretty rough, but it is reliable. However, good customer service in place of good QC isn't really a selling point for me. Had numerous AR556 come through my shop with issues, or revolvers with canted front sights.

Springfield threw in their lot with the gun control lobby. Loaded models of various guns generally ok. But their "active" pursuit of fucking the people of Illinois for their business instead of just fucking moving like Les Baer numerous others is reprehensible.

Rat River Arms has always been a name in AR's, why, however is beyond me. They did a few innovative things but never really made anything that was great. But they threw in their lot with Springfield.

So far Glock has not done much wrong in my eyes. I am however a little perturbed by their quiet redesigns of things like the 42.

I do appreciate SIG Sauers move to the US, but not a single thing they have made has ever done anything for me.

Colt is a poorly ran company that has literally always been a has been. Always pandered to Government contracts. Feeling the sting as their good old boys in Congress die off. Had some guns with serious issues come through my shop.

Freedom group is a bit of a clusterfuck. In general steer clear unless you really want a Marlin guide gun for some reason.

>>34079275
but the grip is as long as the barrel.

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>>34079367
>HK doesn't hate you.

They do. Some things they do are inexplicable beyond being done to fuck you.
IE: The serial number location on the SL8. Nevermind all of the redesign they did, presumably to convert the G36 into the Sporting-only SL8 and satisfy German law, they also placed the serial number on the receiver in a place which requires you to also chop and hack at the G36 parts to make a window to see it, instead of putting it in a sensible place - ie, where it'd be on a god damn G36.
There's absolutely zero justification for that beyond "Fuck civilians"

Here's an image for your viewing pleasure.

>>34075959
Yes, it's $289 at Palmetto State Armory right now with the $75 rebate on top of that price. Might be worth the transfer fee. I just picked one up from their Summerville store yesterday.

>>34075959
Smith & Wesson is a fine gun company, don't let anyone tell you anything different. They aren't against your gun rights like some people say. They attempted making a "smart" gun at one point and people went ape shit because they think once a smart gun is mass produced we will lose all of our rights (try and connect that logic in your head).

>>34080174
smith or wesson pls go

>>34075959
You can get it at palmetto State armory online for 225 after the rebate from s&w. I did. Came about a week later to my FFL. Perfect, no issues.

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>ITT: retarded /pol/tards ruin a thread on inquiring on Shields with retarded anti-gun accusations of pro gun companies

>>34080174
New Jersey had a law on the books that when a "smart" gun was developed, smart guns would be the only legal guns in the state.

Needless to say, people who tried to introduce such a gun to market became deeply unpopular, and the usual suspects tried to spin it as "gun nuts hate progress"

A decent question OP. One that deserved an answer. It's a fine gun. There may be better, but don't let anons give you a feeling a buyer's remorse. Remember, they'll just call somebody a nigger-faggot anyway.

Autists are good at some things, but not politics. They don't have any skin in the game.

I carry the performance center version with an apex trigger and porting. It's nice. Size works well for me since holy fucking hell am I sweating my balls off right now.

>>34080246
>(((the usual suspects)))
ftfy

>>34080283
>ignore the (((media)))
>sudden clarity

>>34075959
>Gander Mt.
is your mistake. On sale with the rebate brings it to just over $25 more than you can find it at my lgs. Fuck Gander, fuck'em right into bankruptcy.

>>34080323
>Over priced, but a well stocked and clean stores.
>Regional powerhouse where they had stores.
>Got greedy.
>Fell into receivership or liquidation rather quickly.
>Did have enough (((accountants))) i suppose.

Bought mine off of deguns.net for a $100 the MSRP. Be aware that the rebate takes eight to twelve weeks to process. I'm in my CCW certification class right now actually. If you have any questions I can answer them when we're on break.

>>34080336
I'm not paying a $200 markup for a store that has been mopped and waxed more. I'd buy guns in a barn surrounded by cow shit if they gave me the best price. I'd probably like the owners more too.

>>34080422
>I'm not paying a $200 markup for a store that has been mopped and waxed more. I'd buy guns in a barn surrounded by cow shit if they gave me the best price. I'd probably like the owners more too.
No argument here.
I pawn, gun show and online like any consumer SHOULD

$300 used Kimber micro a good deal? I still like the p238's though

>>34075959

I carry one so I certainly think so. The grip is a little thicker than I could like (I really liked the XD-S, but I decided not to buy one). It's a small gun so recoil isn't super fun but it's not awful. Gun.deals should have way better deals.

>>34075959
>m&p

police wannabee

>>34079367
What say you with regards to FNH?

>>34075959

The grip is to narrow and feels like shit in my hands, for that it's not fun to shoot, so I wouldnt practice all that much with it because of that. That alone makes me not want to carry it, plus it's not hard to conceal something like a g19.

>>34080202
Glock/ HK pls go

>>34080228
Just a bunch of paranoid schitzos desu. If a janitor from a gun company so much as breathes in the direction towards an anti-gun, barrel shroud hating political hack 3000 miles away then they go ape shit nuts

>>34080260
I've been wanting to get the apex trigger for mine. It's it really worth it?

>>34076622

The shield and the double stacks (m&p9c and m&p9) have a different trigger than eachother. Shield breaks much more cleanly than the doublestacks.

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>>34080469
Find out why it was sold and examine the thing before you buy it. $300 is sketchy.

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>>34081104
It's 2017 and people still parrot the whole "lololol HK h8s uuuu" bullshit as if they weren't the only company that stood up against the ATF in the 80's and 90's.

Now, we're seeing this shit with Springfield. What's even funnier is that gun owners will be the first to laugh at progressives that cry for gun bans whenever there's a shooting for being reactive kneejerking idiots that don't look into the facts while they're the same, screaming their heads off and only basing their judgements from what a headline says.

You could write up an article "Beretta discontinuing all handguns, 1301 shotguns and AR160 rifles in support of stricter anti-gun laws" with gibberish as the entire article and you will have a large number of people swinging from thread to thread crying about how Beretta is anti gun as fuck now.

>>34076474
So Trump is riding out the boom Obama created?

>>34081453
2/10 bait effort
Obongo faggot

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>>34076340

Amen.

>>34081149

That used to be true, but now newer M&P9 and M&P9c have the same trigger as the shield.

They all still suck. The Apex FSS is a worthwhile upgrade.

>>34081468
Maybe reddit would be a safer space for you, anon.

>>34076340
>hk hates their customers meme
yeah cause it has nothing to do with German export laws or anything. Seems to me like you're trying to justify only buying shitty cheap guns because you're poor

>>34081944
What is reddit, faggot?

>>34075959
I love mine and is a pretty damn accurate little gun.

>>34081978
It's a place where edgy teens like yourself go to cry when they can't handle others opinions.

>>34082046
you must be missed on /r/faggot

>>34082070
I guess the kids are out for the summer already.

>>34082127
such a weak and predictable thing to say
got any new material?

>>34075959

Just bought the pictured gun new, got it home, and the sear deactivation lever immediately fell out.

They didn't install the pin to hold it in. I removed the spring and the gun seems to work fine without it, but still pretty sketchy.

>>34084127
I highly doubt it came from the factory like that.
How did you buy it? Are you first owner?

>>34084140

From a large gun store, new in box. Google it, it's happened to a lot of people.

>>34084127
>lever immediately fell out
i call bullshit

>>34084256

Dude, just Google it. I'm not the first one. It's mentioned on several forums.

>>34084276
>Dude, just Google it
I see. No proof.
>It's mentioned on several forums.
Oh, I see. Still no proof.
Only opinions.
Most likely S&W haters.

>>34084307

Shit man, I'm just telling you what happened to me. Don't believe me if you don't want to.

This was my first S&W purchase.

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>>34084307

"proof"

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>>34079367
>HK doesn't hate you

>>34084338
>what happened to me
tore your gun down all the way and can't get it back together?
come on, anon, you can tell us
we've all been there

>>34084381

I've had this gun for 5 hours. I did a basic field strip. I don't even think you can get to the pin without taking out the sear block thing from the frame, which I didn't do. Why would I completely disassemble a brand new gun?

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>>34075959
your wife is going to hate shooting it

im telling you now

mark my words

she will hate it

>>34084408
>I did a basic field strip
Some people remove the slide. Others go further. You're starting to paint a picture of user error.

>>34084408
>I don't even think you can get to the pin without taking out the sear block thing from the frame
Don't know his own gun.
Blames manufacturer.

>>34084425

I think I'm being trolled, because you're fucking retarded. S&W forgot a pin and you must work for their quality control department if you're defending them this hard.

>>34084437
>S&W forgot a pin
You've already admitted to stripping your gun, and "proof" of parts that can only be removed by more than a field strip.
Fucking retarded noguns buys a gun. Defends his own user error to the death. LOL

>>34084454

Let me explain to you what a basic field strip is, ya dingus:

1. Remove slide from frame
2. Remove guide rod/spring from slide
3. Remove barrel from slide
4. Reassemble, in reverse order

>>34084437
>you must work for their quality control department
I hope S&W lurks or finds this thread in archive and makes you pay for your negligent disassembly.

>>34084492

Ok Mr serious.

>>34084482
I know what a basic field strip is.
I know you did more than a basic field strip.
I know this gun did not leave the factory with parts flinging around like that.
Worthless noguns.

Guy 100% just fat fingered it and wants to blame Smith and Wessy.

>>34084514
>Guy 100% just fat fingered it and wants to blame Smith and Wessy.
This

>>34084514
He may have been showing off to his friends and can't put his dad's gun back together.

>>34084513

You're wrong, whether you believe it or not. And there are several people online mentioning the same issue. I did a basic field strip. This pin is not accessible/removable from a basic field strip. Nothing I can do will make you believe me though.

>>34084552
You clearly did more than a basic field strip.

>>34084575

False

There is a difference between a "basic field strip" which consists of separating the slide, recoil spring and guide rod, and the frame and what you did, which is more appropriately called a detail strip. My favorite part of this situation is that Anon is accusing S&W of letting a lemon out here but will be getting a replacement for the pin he lost overnighted to him at no cost on Monday.

>>34084610
>My favorite part of this situation is that Anon is accusing S&W of letting a lemon out here but will be getting a replacement for the pin he lost overnighted to him at no cost on Monday.
Many do this.
Costs the rest of consumers.
Same as shoplifting.

>>34084610

Monday is a holiday, so I'll have to call Tuesday.

http://mp-pistol.com/mp-shield-pistols/33106-sear-disconnect-lever-fell-out.html

http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-pistols/292356-need-some-help-sear-deactivation-lever-fell-out.html

http://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?109053-M-amp-P-Shield-Just-lost-my-sear-deactivation-lever

You guys really don't believe me? You're hurting my poor feelings.

>>34084638
still, losing a part and playing dumb to make the manufacturer pay for it is akin to shoplifting

>>34084681

I know there are a lot of trolls on /k/, but you people are taking it to the next level.

>>34084700
What did you try to do, upgrade the trigger or something?
This is clearly your fault.
Just buy the pin.
Should have taken it to a certified repair shop or a gunsmith.

>>34084723

For the millionth time, I didn't disassemble anything beyond a basic bare-bones field strip. I was literally reading the manual instructions and at the step where you turn down the yellow lever, the lever simply fell the fuck out. No sign of any pin installed through the lever/spring.

>>34084752

Also, I should add that the lever didn't break. It fell out in its entirety, pictured above. If the pin were present it couldn't have fallen out.

>>34084752
>I didn't disassemble anything beyond a basic bare-bones field strip.
Uh huh. You said this. Tell us more.
>I was literally reading the manual instructions and at the step where you turn down the yellow lever
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Just buy the fucking pin

>>34084800

I'm sorry I had to read the instructions, I am not familiar with a sear disconnector lever, so forgive me for being cautious with my new gun. I have several handguns and none of them have this feature.

I'm sorry it fell out the moment I lightly touched it for the first time ever.

>>34075959
If SW had put the effort into the Sigma that they did with the Shield, triggerwise, Glock would be on the ropes.

>>34075959

I've only held the Cali legal one with the loaded chamber indicator and mag release safety. worse things ever to put on a gun

great gun other than that, trigger is actually pretty good.

might not be the most fun to learn shooting, it is pretty light.

>>34081958

HK doesn't even make anything that good though.

>pistols that do nothing better than a glock, and are in many respects worse
>rifles that you can't buy haha, but even if you could, they do nothing new or special

FN>HK in every way, in every century, in every plane of existance throughout the entire multiverse. German engineering is a myth, and a bad one.

>>34084883
>I've only held the Cali legal one with the loaded chamber indicator and mag release safety. worse things ever to put on a gun
I have a blind friend that loves his LCI.
I have grown to appreciate this feature.
The mag release is quite a nice feature for the SO. She's a bit clumsy and wants to be sure if the slide slips while removing the chambered round that the gun won't go off if the mag is out.
I have also grown to appreciate this feature.

>>34076006
Yeah fuck people who compromise. And then sell there brand to another company, and are no longer associated with their brand.../s

>Also I have no problem with people trying to avoid needless gun deaths, so long as they don't give up our rights.

>>34084927
they literally cannot import the rifles due to German laws.

They've been trying to get an American factory going for a while now to bypass their bullshit German laws. Essentially they can't sell anything "military" riflewise.

They're nowhere near the assholes most actual American companies are. Hell a lot of foreign companies treat american workers better and even stand up for our rights more than our "american" companies do. I mean think about it

>ruger
>Smith and Wesson
>Rock Island
>Springfield
>colt

all shit companies, screwed over Americans right and left and charge out the ass, while still outsourcing a lot of their designs to other countries.

On the other hand companies like CZ actually build their guns in America and provide them at a fair price, while being a foreign company.

American companies are a meme, accept it now and you'll be a lot happier for it. It wouldn't stop me from buying something like a 1911 if it was a good price, but I won't go out of my way to support most american companies in the gun business because most of the big names have gone to shit and are cheaping out in the worst ways possible.

>>34081149
>they have different triggers

Look at the pictures of them anon, they're literally the same trigger. I don't know how you could possibly think otherwise.

>>34084328

This is the Glock 19fag's revenge for S&Wfags laughing at how their gun is a slamfire machine.

>>34075959
Its a good gun, it was my first carry gun but I found it just a bit to big for me I am skinny as fuck so I got a sig p238 instead

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>>34075959
good gun, get an Apex trigger and it becomes a great gun.

>>34086971
are people still confusing rock river with rock island?

>>34087447
This, holy shit. My Apex'd Shield has what is hands-down the best trigger I've ever had on a striker-fired handgun. I've spent a lot of money trying to replicate it in my Glock 19 and so far have yet to get it even close.

>>34087699
yep, even better a good deal on a M&P+Apex upgrade can cost less than a stock Glock. I got my M&P9 and Shield for $330 and $290 respectively, and spent maybe $250 combined on the triggers for both. S&W had me with the ergo's but the trigger upgrade sold me for life, can't beat it for the money.

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>>34087450
I recently got an email from rock island armory urging me in detail not to confuse them with rock river , this was the banner. Poor fuckers

>>34084408
Why would you buy a gun without properly testing it's function before handing over your hard earned shekels?

Can someone explain to me what Rock River arms did?

>>34075959
I saw one for $299 recently. Never buy from Gander Mountain.

>>34086971
Look at you, acting like you know how politics works. Moron.

>>34086971
Do me a huge favor, asshole. Go sit in front of a crazy bitch like Hillary and try to tell her what to do. Does Arkancide mean nothing to you? How ate these companies supposed to work with lunatic leftist politicians? Support gun companies or go to hell. You worthless commie sympathizer.

>>34088333
*are

>>34075959
It feels like an m&p compact got rolled over by a steam roller. It's completely flat, no palm swell. Doesn't feel like it's made for human hands. The safety lever is flat also making it difficult to use unless you really dig your thumb bone into it. I compared it to the ruger LC9s and went with the Ruger.

>>34087813

Do you autists really completely disassemble and inspect every component before buying a popular new-in-box firearm from a big-name gun store?

Even if I had, I may not have noticed this without extensive knowledge of the Shield's individual components. I figure the pin would be kinda difficult to even see, as its pretty small and there is a spring wrapped around it.

>>34087699
>This, holy shit. My Apex'd Shield has what is hands-down the best trigger I've ever had on a striker-fired handgun.

I have heard ATEi's M&P trigger job is even better than an M&P with Apex parts

>>34075959
PSA has them cheaper.

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>>34080440
>pawn, gun show and online

The whole "gun shows are incredibly overpriced" meme needs to die. Sure the sticker price is high, but its like /k/ doesn't know how to negotiate, especially on used guns.

Pic related, $625 from last weekend's gunshow

>>34080469
Dad has a micro Kimber. Thing had to be sent back twice for FTE/FTF issues. Idk if it's even any better now, haven't gone shooting with him in a while.

>>34085177
Your blind friend do a lot of shooting?

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>>34080257
>Autists are good at some things, but not politics.

We just helped the entire world dodge a Clinton bullet by weaponized autism. Hold your tongue, serf.

>>34075959
I'd say go somewhere else than gander. Fuck them you can find a better deal. There's a reason they got bought out.

>>34084841
K.

>>34088452
Yes, I break the firearm down as much as allowed to make sure it isn't a lemon. I work hard for my funbux.

>>34076340
Hk is the only company that fought against the original assault weapons ban you ignorant jackass. Smith and wesson and ruger took it like bitches and hk fought for everyones gunrights, even idiots like you.

>>34084350
Lol you taking that from the hk bantz thread is funny.

>>34084927
Maybe the quality isn't apparent to some lazy weekend warrior beergut dadjeans who shoots 300 rounds a year like you, yeah i bet your century ras 47 is as good as any saiga or arsenal bro.

I would say that fn is the shittier company for not being able to supply their fanboys with scars(which is the only good thing they make), their shits not banned so what's their excuse?
Muh mil contracts, pfff wank off.
More militaries field hk weapons than fn by a wide margin.

>>34085226
This, smith and wesson now is a different smith and wesson from the one who went almost bankrupt after fucking with the 2nd ammendment.

>>34088456
yeah but one requires you sending you gun off while the other is a simple procedure anyone with basic knowledge and the right tools can do in under an hour. I did both of mine myself with no prior experience doing anything similar just by following some youtube videos.

>>34088771
yes