Seriously considering this as my next purchase. I'd have

>>34071969
You know its reputation. Stop making bait threads before the mouthbreathers on here think you're serious and this gets 60+ replies.

Go read a review or something, K isn't the place for firearm advice.

>>34071969

Not an ar, therefore it's shit

>>34071983
Fpbp.

>>34071969
>I'd have it just for the sake of having a rifle.
Just buy a bolt-action .22

>>34071983
No

>>34071993
I will watch some YouTube videos. Right now I was hoping for a discussion on the following:
>reliability
>accuracy
>alternative .308 semi-auto rifles
Also in the running is the kel-tec which I hear on /k/ that it breaks itself and the PTR G3 or whatever it is which is bigger and more unwieldy than I'd prefer.

>>34072000
I've owned 4 AR fifteens and sold them all because I don't really enjoy shooting rifles as much as handguns. However, I feel sort of naked not currently owning a rifle

>>34072005
If I get another rifle I want it to be a common cartridge and bigger than 5.56

LISTEN!
This isn't about the merits of the scout gun concept or .22s or AR's (except possibly an ar-10).

>>34072040
just get one, having a boomstick is better than not having a boomstick

>>34072040
What a mindless fucking consumer you are.

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>>34071969
>buying Springshit ever
It's like you hate your 2nd Amendment rights or something

>>34072069
Whatever, he apologized and everyone is going to forget about it in another month anyway. Hell the vast majority of gun owners outside of Illinois (other than /k/) don't even know about it.

>Meme Gun
Jesus anon if your going to get a short m1a get the scout squad version at least.

>>34072080
>he apologized

You are under no obligation to accept his apology and his words were transparent and insincere besides.

>>34072127
I don't give a shit because they have no obligation, other than their own interests, to lobby against gun control. All they did was basically say, "Okay, if you make it not affect us we won't go to war with you over it." Correct?

Frankly, it's the citizens who vote, or don't, whose responsibility it is.

>>34071983
>>34071993
>>34072000
>>34072003
>>34072005
>>34072019
>>34072040
>>34072057
>>34072066
>>34072069
>>34072080
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>>34072134
>Not one piece of information about the rifle.

>>34072069
Just let capitalism do its thing.

>>34071969
>7.62x51 out of a 16" barrel
That's basically like a 3" barrel .357 magnum
Get the 22" version and you're good to go, it's not a perfect rifle but it's a ton of fun and useful for hunting/bear defense.

>>34072019

Here's this,

>Reliability
It uses a shortened and therefore somewhat proprietary gas system as opposed to the scout and standard M1A. This much like the original CAR-15/early M4's created reliability issues. However, much like the carbine length AR's, this has largely been eliminated.

>Accuracy
There is no reason a rifle from a respectable brand will not mechanically shoot MOA or less nowadays. Cheap companies are an exception to the rule as they are focused on volume sales at a cheap price as opposed to overall quality. The M1A is a MOA and less gun. The only caveat to that is that mounting a scope is a pain in the ass and compared to other options, not financially worth it in terms of performance.

>Alternatives

This is based entirely what you want the rifle for, much like with the AR, AK, and any other versatile system.

For a battle rifle/fighting rifle/ do all general purpose rifle, using iron sights or a red dot for 0-400 yards, you have the M1A, FAL, G3/PTR/CETME, AR-10 or Vepr/Saiga rifles in .308.

For a long range gun for use with a magnified scope, in a semi auto, the only good options would be an AR-10 or one of the VEPR/Saiga's. For performance and after market, The AR-10 wins this hands down.

The reason I point those out instead of the G3/FAL/M1A is because the optics mounts for these weapons were designed as an afterthought, and while they work, the AR-10 wins out, with a pic rail integrated directly on top ot the receiver, multi lug locking bolt, and finally the ability to be free floated, AND the ability to drop in a match grade trigger and barrel the accuracy potential is unmatched among the battle rifles. I don't even like the AR-10, but I will tell you for precision and accuracy the AR-10 is the better of the two. Yes, you can mount a precision CNC machined mount that perfectly mates with your receiver, yes you can unitize the forend retainer and bed the stock, but financially and accuracy wise, the AR10 wins.

>>34072212
>The M1A is a MOA and less gun
Nigga you wut? An M1A is a 3-4 mao gun (in it's defense, so it the FAL and G3)

>>34072212

Part two for clarity,

The AK platform rifles Saiga/Vepr.

While the AK's optic mount was developed as an afterthought, it is perhaps the best example of it's kind. The optic is solidly mounted directly to the receiver, and has a repeatable return to zero. However, much like the M1A, FAL and G3 rifles, this still is less desirable than having the optic planted directly on top of the receiver, and once again going back to cost for a proper mount (no utg is a shit and doesn't count) you're still looking at about $160 USD for an RS Regulate mount. versus $100 for a standard cantilever mount for the AR-10.

What you need to ask yourself OP is what do you want to use the rifle for? How far? How accurately?

>>34072233

Do you even shoot? It's an inch and less. I know mine is anyway.

>>34072304
Your either retarded or a liar.

>>34072311
say that to my face and not online faggot.

How the fuck cdo you get a 4" group and call it zero'd?

>>34072325
Not the guy you're arguing with, but group size has nothing to do with rifle's zero. A 4" group centered on the target would indicate a perfectly zeroed rifle

accuracy vs precision

>>34072394

While you are technically correct, I find it hard to fathom that someone could get a 4" group and be able to determine that as a proper zero, even the SKS and AK are capable of a 1.5-2" group at 100 yards. Your dispersion would be huge.

>>34072568
I highly doubt that unless you are a bench resting faggit.

>>34072568
>these made up numbers
Soviet Union Ministry of Propaganda pls go.

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>>34072582

>not setting rifle's zero from a rest

found the problem, classic /k/.

>>34072040
>Listen!

Look Kurt, nobody cares if you get an m1a

>>34072568
>even the SKS and AK are capable of a 1.5-2" group at 100 yards

Are you speaking from personal experience?
I've only shot paper with SKS at 100yds once, but my group was around 6". Shot from bench using iron sights and run of the mill steelcased ammo.

>>34072629
>thinking any rifle you mentioned will shoot 3 MOA or better even from a rest

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>>34072673

Yes from personal experience, I mean it depends on your experience with shooting irons and it can come down to the individual rifle when shooting milsurp rifles. typically your sks and Fal and anything else using a tilting bolt will be 2 moa (or more.)

pic related, 1984 norinco I used to own.

>>34072678

>not using fundamentals of marksmanship
>not using a rest to test the accuracy of your rifle
>this means no one can shoot better than me while using the aforementioned.

faggot confirmed.

>>34072717
Why do you hate your deck? Why did you let it get to this stage?

>>34072731
Well just let me know when the deer gives you enough time to set up your sand bags and a table and check through your ballistics charts.

>>34072735

was like this when I bought the house, I've sealed everything down, but in a few years I'll replace it anyway.

>>34072717
What ammo were you using? I was under impression that SKSs were not expected to perform better than mine did. But if others are getting 2 inch groups - I definitely want to try better ammo and get some more practice with those sights to see if mine can do it too.

Are you gay?
>get a fal

Are you on ebt?
>get a ptr

Does your mom take you to your meets and cons?
>get a scar

Do you know who Jeff Cooper is?
>M1A

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>>34072754

>rifle only good for durr

you're a fudd. and you're talking about two different applications to boot.

Just because a rifle is mechanically capable of that accuracy doesn't mean it necessarily needs to shoot that well. Especially when your sole purpose for that rifle is shooting at a whitetail at 50 yds.

>>34072137
Ok...

Pros- Looks cool. Nice lines. Classic. Handles well. Nice balance.

Cons - worlds 2nd worst safety. 5000rd rifle. Universally hated by IRL users like SOCOM. Way better options.

For the spendy bucks you will drop on this get a SCAR H or M110 clone with 16" bbl.

>>34072802
Shit, you could probably take a deer at 50 yards with a nugget most of the time.

>>34072766

same ammo muh friend. I think it was wolf, or maybe it was red army. If you want to shrink your group you could try some of the brass cased federal stuff. The other thing is just using the iron sights on the mosin/sks/ak. They're giant pistol sights and as such are harder to use The best thing to do would be to truly focus on your fundamentals, and of course, not all milsurps are capable of this. I just know with the AK's and couple of SKS's I have shot that I was getting those kind of groups.

Also, if you're enjoying yourself who cares?

>>34072838
oh ya i forgot one

Do you have no imagination and your parents didn't love you?
>AR-10

>>34072838
Thanks. What do you mean it's a 5000rd rifle? What is wearing out that quick?

>>34072879
more like 500 round life the barrel will just fall off after like 50 shots

just get an ar10 faget

>>34072802
Just post a picture of your groupings and you can end the discussion. Otherwise you're just talking out of your ass because it's common knowledge that it's 3-4 moa.

>>34072754
What? Are you saying that because you won't have a bench rest and known distances in the field, a precise zero and load isn't worth it? You must use a barn as target practice

>>34073343
Pretty much, for some reason I just hate people who bench rest and reload for performance. I don't know why.

>>34072879
Usually throat erosion.

>>34073368
I mean, tons of hunters do it too. And why wouldn't you? It's just about getting the most out of your equipment. Not to mention it still improves your ability with a rifle. Obviously, you need practice shooting unsupported as well but that's a different part of the discipline and can be treated as such. But you aren't going to become a great shot no matter where you are if you only shoot standing/kneeling unsupported at unknown distances or if you only shoot from a bench.

Machine rest fags are the fucking worst though

>>34073726
I don't know, my Dad was fudd of the year and during my service I never once bench rested. My brains been wired against it.

>ITT people not wanting their rifles properly sighted in
WTF

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Just get an AR-10 ya dumbdumb.

>>34072568
the 4" is bullshit, the FAL has a 4" MOA but the M1A usually does not the socom might but a normal M1A has more like a 2-3". Source i have an m1A and my friend has a FAL

>>34074380
most of these people don't actually own the gun there talking about, or don't shoot it often at all .

Just get a ptr 91

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>>34071969
not sure i'd ever really want a Springfield M1A personally after all the things I've read about QA and stories of people sending them back and forth with the factory for a bit to get them in good working shape. I have an M14 type firearm but it's made by LRB Arms up in New York. I'll say from experience, the M14 type platform is the pickiest fucking rifle in the world to make good ammunition for, however, my rifle is definitely capable of well under 2 MOA with an average load and under 1 MOA with a load that it really likes. personally, I like the M14 action, I enjoy it for nostalgia's sake, and I like experimenting with rifles so it's actually been a fun project to find loads and make good ammo for it.

>>34074488
>I really enjoy it for nostalgia
>bubba stock

>>34072040
>I've owned 4 AR fifteens
>4 AR fifteens
>AR FIFTEENS

What kind of fucking degenerate

>>34074572
this

>>34074631
>>34074572
What exactly is your bar for a bubba stock? Because JAE's are fucking expensive

>>34074631
>>34074572

> like the M14 ACTION for nostalgia
> puts action and barrel into a 1,200 dollar chassis because I shoot for precision
> bubba'd

you two are fucking retarded. read more.

>>34074715
oh kek, forgot, it actually cost me 1,600 on sale at 3rdgss

>>34074748
>>34074715
Legit question, do you think the Chassis is worth the money? I thought about putting an R700 in one but just cant justify dropping a $300 gun into a +$1200 stock

>>34074765
Not that guy, but I have an m1a in a mod 0 EBR chassis and it makes a huge difference with factory ammo. It's designed to tune harmonics, rather than to just add rigidity to the rifle.

>>34074765
I think chassis are objectively the best system for any precision rifle but they're a dime a dozen out there. JAEs are really nice and very solid but some of the adjustment mechanisms are outpaced by other platforms. I think if you're looking for a great R700 chassis without going the JAE route, look into the Masterpiece Arms BA and BA Competition chassis. I'm about to rebarrel my 6.5-284 and I'll be dropping it into that when I do so.

>>34074796
>>34074790
I've been looking at the TAC21 system from MDT for the R700. Not sure what it does for the harmonics, but I love the 98B look of it.

>>34074852
In general, just make sure that the chassis is inletted for your action and that your action is torqued in at spec and that with whatever barrel contour you're using you get it free floated. Beyond that, start figuring out handloads.

>>34074852
>>34074875
also that's really only advice for bolt actions. for M14s for instance, a feature of the chassis system is the ability to adjust and set the barrel band tension which is its own bag of tricks

>>34072148
No guns detected.

>>34074909
I'm more of a bolt action guy anyways. I wanted a PSL for the longest time and still do, but I've heard iffy things about their practicality.

>>34072212

>M1A is 1 MOA or less

Not unless you pay out the ass. They suffer from the same stock bedding problem as M1 Garands.

>>34074934
PSLs are basically toys due to Romanian QC issues. If you want a totally-not-an-svd get a 54r Vepr with a furniture kit and a scope.

>>34074969
Its not so much that I want a poor mans SVD, I just REALLY like the way the PSL looks, aesthetically. I like the finer details of the PSLs furniture shape. Now if the PSLs furn is compatible with a Vepr? Yeah, that sounds like a deal.

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>>34074985
http://www.troupsystems.com/akparts.htm
It's not a direct match for a PSL but it's pretty close. The one thing the PSL offers over the Vepr is double stack mags.

>>34075017
Wait the Vepr is a single stack? That's retarded

>>34075029
Thank various countries' "sporting purpose" laws for that, and possibly that Molot didn't want to have to design fancy doublestack rimmed magazines for 54r. The intermediate caliber (5.56, 5.45, 7.62x39, 6.5 Grendel) Veprs and the .308 Veprs are double stack, but not 54r.

>>34075078
That's a real shame. Maybe someday Ill have enough money to buy both without cringing and Ill have my problem solved

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>>34075085
I have a M14DCSB on mine, pic related, and it's built real tough.

>>34075185
Part of me still wishes I bought a a sage chassis for mine, but I got a McMillan M3A instead. It's out at the cerakoter for another week before my action gets bedded in it. Can't wait to shoot it again

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>>34072080
>Whatever, he apologized
My gullible retard detector is off the charts

>>34075201
McMillian makes some great stuff, but I like having iconic firearms and I think the EBR just looks too amazing. It's still very functional though. The op rod guide block is replaced with a sage guide block, that is fixed to the stock with 3 allen screws. There is also a barrel tensioning screw near the front of the handguard. This forces the barrel vibration when firing to remain relatively constant with factory ammo.

>>34072134
If we are to believe that corporations are indeed ````people'''', then they have every obligation to stand with the actual people and protect their rights.

>>34071969
actually selling a scout model if you really wanna buy one.

>>34075257
To add to this, in >>34075085 you can see the left side screw of the guide block is missing (the hole is at the front of the kydex grip) I'm willing to say that it's just the original guide block so this is chassis doesn't really help for shit.

>>34075257
You don't have to sell me on it, I was giving you a compliment.

>>34072148
3" barrel .357 is acceptable. It's the truly short ones like 2 inch that are shit ballistically. Same with .308. 16 inch is about as short as I'd like but the difference between that and a 20 inch won't be noticeable until you're shooting 500+ yards.

>>34075315
I know, there's just very little info about how the EBR chassis works out there. I think it's neat engineering and I like sharing things I find interesting.

>>34072784
>Do you know who Jeff Cooper is?

That's probably the most embarressing one.

>>34075354
It's nice to hear someone say some nice things about the chassis

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>>34072784
>Does your mom take you to your meets and cons?
>>get a scar