What was the best overall tank in the world at the outbreak of

The Panzer III, followed in Sept 1940 (exactly one year after invasion of Pooland) by the T-34

Do your own research WoTbabby.

>>34066991
>posting actual lies

It was the Char B2.

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The Polish 7TP was one of 1939's best designs, and were capable of killing everything the Germans had to include the PzIV. Unfortunately, they didn't have nearly enough of them when the war began.

>>34067641
it was crewed by french, so no

>>34067733

Racism won't get you anywhere.

>>34066587
Huh, so that's where Games Workshop gets it's horrible designs for WH40k.

>>34067753
>Racism won't get you anywhere.

Nationality is not race.

>>34067753
it'll get me france in less than a month

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>>34067641

>3 man turret
>Efficient crew layout
>Cupola
>Lots of hatches, good crew survivability
>Radios
>Mobile (torsion bars, 300HP engine)
>Decent gun for 1939

Cry wehraboo all you want, at the beginning of the war the III ausf E was a pretty darn good design, even the ausf D wasn't horrible.

>>34067798

lmfao ok

>>34067830
>slobbers all over the panzer 3's cock for no reason
>calls me a wehraboo

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>>34067826

>>34067847
that's not what happened.
You're misinterpreting that wehraboo line.

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>>34067721

>1939

One of the best designs in 1932, maybe.

Those Vickers based designs (T-26, 7TP) were great if you couldn't afford other anything more complicated and needed a dirt simple vehicle you could build and maintain with a just a hammer.

Otherwise they were well on the way to being obsolete by 1939.

>>34067892
>DAMAGE CONTROL INITIATED

>>34067922
It's not my fault you can't read, man.
I'm someone else anyway. I don't know shit about the tanks, I'm just saying that you misread >>34067830's post. He's not calling >>34067641 a wehraboo, but himself.

Heavy tank: Char B1
Medium tank: Pz III
Light tank: BT series

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the twin-turret 7TP is cute, CUTE!

>>34067945
>defending a total stranger for no reason whatsoever

lol ok sure

>>34067992
I can't help it, I must correct retards that don't know basic English.
it stems for my hate of foreigners and their broken english

>>34067949
You know the KV series was going in right?
It didn't have a very effective gun at that point, but it also had 90mm forward armor and a MUCH better silhouette.

That, and the big gun was turret mounted.

Dunno why you're forcing the Char so hard.

>>34068174
>KV was going in 1939

Excuse me.

>>34067830
"Hurr durr Pz III iz god tank"

*Single Char B1 defeats 11 Pz IIIs and 2 Pz IVs at stone while absorbing 140 shells unharmed*

>>34068301
>muh small-scale 1v1s

Fucking WotBabby.

reminder that all German tank ideas were based off designs stolen from Czechoslovakia.

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>>34066587

I would actually go with the Somua S-35. I'm not an expert on French tanks, but as far as I know:
>better mobility than a Char
>a gun that could defeat any German AFV at normal combat ranges
>armor that can handle return fire of any German AFV off the top of my head
>hard to build, but still better than the Char
>turret that burdened the commander, but the radio operator could at least help a little
When you consider how the campaign actually went down, and what else was used in France, the Somua was the best fit to French needs.

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>>34068329
You mean the country that got annexed two years after the first Panzer III's and IV's were being designed and tested?

Reminder, the Annexation of Czechoslovakia was the best thing to happen to their tank industry.

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>>34068329
The idea of any sort of """Pure""" """German""" """Race""" is a joke.

This is well known.
That the nationally-Germanic people should have been so successful absorbing and re-purposing their neighbors however, is simply the sign of an effective society and strong culture.

It's a bit like the United States, except they were doing the opposite of immigration to grow their population.

I don't have any negative comments to make on this.

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>>34068430

If it's there, might as well use it.

Picture is Alfred Becker. Becker spent the war in France, combing the graveyards and beaches for Anglo and French equipment. He built hundreds of restored French and British vehicles with a German gun and optics strapped on them, which was sent to Rommel, who was enamored by the equipment. Rommel presented Becker and his work to Hitler, who was just as impressed and ordered two full divisions worth of repurposed armour. Which he accomplished.

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>>34068487
>2 pound gun

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>>34068487

>When the British ignore Liddel Hart completely.

>>34067892
I think what he meant to say, was that even if you guys call him a wehraboo, it doesn't change the fact that the tank is still good. You would know this if you had any reading comprehension skills at all.

>>34068552
This.

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they see me rollin they hatin

>>34068582
>dies to superior French munitions

>>34068377
Actually this.
S35 was definetly one of the best tanks of it's class around the early stages of the war, although it's major drawback was one it shared with most French tanks in that it was incredibly undercrewed.

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stug life
>inb4 assault gun autism

>>34068636
>TANK

Anon.

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>"good luck Char fucking shits."

>>34068546
Right, that's what >>34067830 mean, but >>34067847 interpreted it as him calling >>34067641 a wehraboo

>>34068329
the German crews absolutely hated the p35t

>>34068489

I googled this guy to see his work.

This a dude who knew how to make shit orky.

>>34069848
dats roight an' propah dat iz

>>34067641
Too heavy,too expensive,too unreliable,1 man turret.It's the Tiger 2 of the 30s
>>34067830
The correct answer.
>>34068487
Slow,undergunned,tiny turret ring and no HE.Enjoy beign 88'd.
>>34068636
Anon,that's not the good stug.That stub gun will require too much practice to hit anything.

The Panzer 3 was the most modern tank but the 3.7cm was already obsolete in 1939.
If it had a bigger turret ring it would have been superior to the IV in almost every way.

I'd probably go with the KV-1 if it was already in service during the start of the Poland invasion.

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>>34066587
This seems to be dedicated tank thread.
Can someone identify pic related?

>>34071957
looks like an M48A3, being used as an artillery piece at a Vietnam firebase

>>34072130
That seems to be it.
Thanks anon.

>>34070595
its the only stug that existed at the time.

>>34068582
>hatin

TNHP a cute
CUTE!

The carro leggero l7

>>34067949

BT-series had poor off-road mobility, they were mechanically unreliable and were absolute hogs when it came to fuel-consumption.

>>34068329

>this triggers the wehraboo

>>34067949
>Light Tank not being Panzer II

I get you don't want to be seen as german centrist, but it is objectively the best light tank of the early war and served as a chassis for a multitude of conversions.

>>34072130

>tank used as a raised artillery piece

jesus christ im dumb,i never considered tanks could act as Arty like that

>>34073970
>i never considered tanks could act as Arty like that

Most can.

Most don't.

>>34069797
Skoda LT-35 was obsolete by the time that the war began. Germany just confiscated quite a number of them, so why not throw them at the enemy. There was even plan to update the older LT-34 (by Praga) to specs that would surpass it. But instead government went with LT-38 (also Praga). There was also plan for the medium tank (panzer killer) that went through the testing stages, but the opposition was undermining the process by shilling for Skoda T-21 (Turan) and then Munich happened, generals cancelled the order, and Skoda design got later sold to the Hungary.

>>34073970
I think the Israelis did that with Shermans during the Six Day War.

>>34074266
>>34074415

is the aiming done manually or is there some sort of assistance?

>>34074454

All you have to do to use any gun as indirect artillery is to know where and at what angle to point the gun. You can either arrive at these numbers by doing the math yourself or by using a ballistic computer which will do the math for you, like a pocket calculator does.

>>34068301
1 char vs 13 panzer

>1v1

What???

What are some books to read upon tanks and historic development,like weapons or armor used and such?

>>34068301
Except you can't pull off the maneuvers that the Germans did with a Char B1.

>>34074629

"Technology of tanks" by Richard M Ogorkiewicz is the simplest and most complete holistic overview of the historical development of tanks that I am aware of. If you google long enough you can find a .pdf of it.

>>34074727
cool downloading now.
And thanks again.

>>34074767

Where did you find the .pdf if you don't mind me asking? It's been a while since I've had a copy and I might as well grab it now.

>>34067830
Literally T34 breakfast

>>34074777
>https://ia800209.us.archive.org/29/items/Janes_Technology_of_Tanks_01/Janes_Technology_of_Tanks_01.pdf

>>34068698
Let's see which is slower
The Char B1 returning to the front lines or the Flak 88 setting up.

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>>34066587
if we are talking light tanks im going to have to go with the Strv m/39. Low weight of 9 tons, a pretty good gun for its time one of the first tanks to be produced with torison bar suspension, fully welded armor, roomy interior. Armor was only meant to stop MG fire (8-15mm thick) but it was later upgraded with applique armor which increased the front to 50mm.

This video has fottage of the m/39 and its earlier m/38 brother (it has the flat turret front) in a d
demonstration of how a attack would be preformed by a swedish an armored battalion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfgUW16drxk

>>34074992

A trained crew could have a Flak 88 set up in two minutes.