What would happen if an hostage situation like Beslan happened

>>34053825
Probably like Waco

>>34053825
>Would they do better job?
Nah they would snipe some terrorists and then boom
no survivors

>Would they do better job?
Hardly. The militarization of modern US police would bring them up to par with Russian security forces equipment wise, but regional SWAT as not really prepared to deal with nearly 40 experienced committed bomb-vested Chechens armed with PKMs and Rocket launchers. I recall they even set up a mounted MG nest on one of the roofs, for perspective on how unprepared a local police response would be to a Beslan scenario. It would be like the North Hollywood shootout but with 15 times the perpetrators and they never leave the bank.

>>34053825
it would be endless negotiation, and god help us if it's NOT muslims but white males. at some point someone "in charge" would order an assault and things would get bloody real fast. after it was over there would be years of finger pointing as to who was to blame for the attack and the rescue op going to shit.

>>34053825
Knockout gas everywhere, followed by a healthy dose of tear gas just in case.

>>34054030
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis

>>34053961
>Swats
aren't most of average swat teams actually shit? For what I know most of Swats do it part time and spend most of the time as regular cops.

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No

>>34054140
Depends. In some backwaters, they're literally beat cops that have been instructed on the use of respirators and flashbangs, but in some major cities like LA, they're supposed to have a bunch of ex-SOF guys.

>>34054179
That's what I thought, I guess it depends on how much they are actually needed.

>>34054170

one might wonder why you would punch a man before throwing him out a window

>>34054170
Jesus Christ. Was there ever a spetsnaz operation where they manage to not kill everyone?

>>34053825
Fuck. Who knows. Over 1,000 hostages in a school with dozens of rooms. I'd fucking resign on the spot of I was in charge. And we're assuming similarly equipped and motivated so suicide vests probably a heavy machine guns ,Ak's, lmg's, probably kitchen sinks ready to be launched by trebuchet. So you're either going to negotiate or have a gigantic cluster fuck. I'm going to go with the former.

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>>34054213

>>34054170
This made laugh more than I want to admit.

>>34053825
Was it before 9/11? I dont remember US police being experienced in that kind of situation.

>>34054364
Waco maybe?

>>34054198
Holy shit I'm fucking dying. I didn't even notice that the first time I watched it. Why did he do that

>>34054364
Really doesn't matter if it's post 9/11. Special tactics teams started being formed after local police around the globe were shitting the bed in hostage situations.

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>>34054386
But Waco wasn't really a hostage situation

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>>34053825
a better question

why aren't any similar situation in the US?

>>34054421
Right. Why did it take one entire month to take that place down?

>>34054422
No states filled with islamist separatists and cartels are not really into these kinds of acts.

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>>34054422
Because you need a platoon+ sized group to pull this off, so the amount of secrecy and planning is just to big to do in the US. Just look at all the militia groups who constantly get infiltrated by all local and federal law enforcement.
Worst case for the US and Western Europe is some Mumbai style attack imo

>>34054422
Because we dont have a violent Muslim country bordering us.

>>34054481
>Muslim
No
>Violent
Mexico

FBI HRT is pretty good

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>>34054466
>>34054471
>>34054481
can this be possible

>left fail the impeachment
>antifa set up camp in Mexico and Canada
>they somehow pull off some thing like Beslan

>>34054489
Yeah, but the Mexicans like it here, they aren't about to start taking hostages and risk ICE taking a stern look at their families. Theres just no ideological basis in Mexico that would support Chechen-style bullshit

>>34053825
They would struggle to do a worse job.
Unless they sent in the guys who threw granades into a room full of hostages, then wondered why they were dead.

>>34054510
Most of them are middle/upper class whites that can'take even use a slingshot.

>>34054534
This. They don't even do that shit in Mexico. And even if they did what kind of demand would they have? "Please let us smuggle cocaine without bothering us"

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>>34054510
Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo ain't happening anon

>>34054510
>antifa set up camp in Mexico and Canada
The standards of living in mexico would have them back in america with tail between legs within a week. The high cost of living in canada plus the french elitism in the eastern side would probably make them madder than trump ever could.
>they somehow pull off some thing like Beslan
Honestly if antifa as a whole is anything like the cherrypicked images I see on 4chan, they just dont have the balls

>>34054170
Why must Russians be so retarded?

>>34054604
Coommie terrorist groups in Europe tethnically started as antifas. Still they had more civic sense than any Allah sponsored group.

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>>34054653
They were antifacists in the older sense, the modern Antifa movement started in the 80s out of the Autonomous/Black Block/Squatting scene

>>34054213
Crimea.

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>>34053961
Lel militarization of US police.

Yet our SWAT can't handle some hardcore muslim chechens hellbent on killing kids. Which is it then are the police militarized or insufficient?

>>34054801
>Which is it then are the police militarized or insufficient?
Having MRAPs and plate carriers doesn't automatically make you equipped to deal with massive hostage rescues.

>>34054195
>>34054179
City grade SWAT is no fucking joke.

Those guys are both well armed and well trained.

>>34054449
eh, they should have left it up. As a monument to stupidity.

>>34054971
I just don't get. There was basically an entire army around that building and they even managed to kill their men with friendly fire, weirdest thing is that the siege ended after that the cultists decided to kill themselves (if that's the truth)

>>34054140
Purely anecdotal but my buddy used to airsoft with the local SWAT guys. Says he's lost count of how many times he's tagged them.
>inb4 airshit

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>>34054962
>well armed
In Beslan Russians had to use flamethrowers to kill machine-gunner, because school had double layered brick walls which hold anything less than 30mm shell. As for now, they never go on kebab removal job without RPGs. BTRs with 30mm cannons are widely used too.
Daily routine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVpNuuBucRY

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>>34054198
>Ecли я cнимy этy мacкy, ты yмpeшь?

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>>34055033
Do they evacuate the rest of the flats before they start just grenade launching everything?

>>34054838
Yep which is why I don't see the police as militarized.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1gV7hf3tsk
That's a nice house you have. It would be a shame if something happened to it.

>>34055072
I doubt it. These fringe blocs aren't like ghettos on the outskirts of US cities. They're hundreds of miles away from the nearest remotely metropolitan area. There's literally no one to complain to if your family get blown up by the visiting Spetsnaz brigade. Most of them probably don't even have phones or internet connections.The best chance they'd have of complaining would probably be to jump in their little hatchback from the 1950s, hope it makes it to the nearest major city, and then moan to some corrupt, uninterested council official who has had no contact with the mainstream Russian government since he was appointed twenty years ago. You'd get more attention if you tried to complain about a no-knock warrant killing your pet goldfish with a flashbang grenade in the US than a Spetsnaz death squad killing your family by mistake in one of these remote Russian outliers.

>>34055156
>>34055033
where is this happening? Dagestan?

>>34054198
To stunt him ?

>>34054364

Beslan was 2004

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>>34055206
Kabardino-Balkaria, Dagestan, Ingushetia.

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>>34055160
>They're hundreds of miles away from the nearest remotely metropolitan area.
>Talking about capital city of Dagestan

>>34055239
for being a shithole they have pretty nice houses

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>>34055301
They have developed industry of construction materials. Including infamous Dagestan brickworks with slaves.

>>34055097
>take a bunch of shitbag poorly trained cops
>give them a bunch of cool toys and tell them for realsies now that you are super spesjul soldiers dodging bulkets everyday and thT the people are the enemies
> what could go wrong

>>34055258
>Makhachkala
>Metropolitan

And I'm the fucking autistic one KEK

>>34054170
>Hostage rescued

>>34055413
It's just 1 day in a bus to Moscow, fuckhead. Just 1800km.

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>>34054510
>surpressed
>scoped
>bulpup
>ak

>>34055536
you forgot
>9x39mm
that's a groza, not an AK

>>34054170
>SOP is to punch hostage in the head and throw them out the window

>>34055462
>Just 1800km

uh....

>>34054581
>there won't be a civil war
>t. Everyone before a civil war

>>34053961
>Chechens
>MG nests
>hostages
Thats when the NG gets called in.

>>34055959
That is right down the street to borrow a cup of sugar distance in Russia

>>34056089
there is no way the natty guard could do it without a shit ton of casualties, i don't think any of the natty guard units do HR training, including the NGSF groups.

>>34053950
>Nah they would snipe some terrorists and then boom
they would try to snipe the wire first.

>>34056055
There's a difference between being delusional and there not being a single warning sign of civil unrest.

Hint: it requires full breakdown of services and the military being for it

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>>34053825
here's a handy guide for future reference

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>>34056161
part 2.

>>34054421
Aside from the kids.

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>>34054170
Reminds me of when russian police had to rescue a cat from a tree.

>cut tree down
>tree falls on powerlines
>cat falls into powerlines before hitting ground
>cat alive but severly wounded, thousands without power, cop injured from falling branches
>mission success

>>34056089
>>34056129

Probably fbi hrt with NG force multipliers just in case and to create and mantain a wide enough cordon to keep the populace safe.

>>34054179
L.A. SWAT is a full time outfit, that's all they do, not sure about N.Y. or Chicago, but probably the same deal.

>>34056682
I'm sure units like LAPD SWAT could hold their own with the likes of Delta and DEVGRU in the shoot houses. Like you said, this is literally all they do, all year long. The niche that proper SWAT/dedicated CT units fill is relatively small too (CQB, hostage rescue, siege, dynamic entry), which means they can become pretty damn refined and proficient at it.

>>34056682
IIRC NYPD ESU is similar (if hamstrung by retarded NYPD politics).

>>34055018
>if that's the truth
It's not, they were burned out, which has become pretty common procedure in these kind of situations.

>>34056682
Funny how liberal strongholds need heavy armed and trained cops. I bet that Texas or Alabama don'ti have the same amount of crimes.
Since a Swats in L.A. do that full time what's the usual crimes for which they are needed?
And if a cop in a quiet state like Idaho has a "swat certificate", does he get extra money for it?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kizlyar-Pervomayskoye_hostage_crisis

This is by far the worst hostage rescue I have ever seen. Truly russian soldiers in the 90's were terrible

>>34057155
What is population density?
What is more people=more likely there are crazy people?
What is large industrialized cities where almost anything can be obtained if you know the right people?

>>34054140

The big city teams tend to be pretty high speed. But once you get into rural areas it's just beat cops with more body armor. The "medic" on my local team is a 300 lb EMT. Great guy, but seeing him in a plate carrier is hilarious