Why isn't the vz58 considered one of the best rifles of

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>>34043939
>DEUS VULT

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I'd love to get one even for like $950, but I don't think I can justify spending $1200 on one before FFL fees and everything else.

Damn leafs jacking up the price

>>34043955
I understand these are more popular in Canada but I just bought at Cabelas, new Century, for $629.

Because it isn't any better than an AK.

>>34043965
Short stroke > long stroke
Milled receiver lighter than ask milled receiver.
Czechnology > Russianology

It runs cleaner than the AK, weighs less than a similar AK and fires the ammo.

>>34043939
Wasn't there an issue with debris getting into the action because the entire top of the gun is the ejection port? I mean don't get me wrong, I think it's a very sexy gun, but it's hard to say it's better.

>>34044006
I assume that's part of why it stays so clean. I put 100 rounds through and the action is still spotless. There's also virtually no possibility of a stove pipe etc... I haven't tried filling it with mud, not entirely sure why people do that.

>>34043963
>Century
Ha

>>34043963
>he bought a vz2008

>>34044006

the top is only open when you're out of bullets or between shots so unless you're fighting in a mudslide environment i dont think its that big of an issue

>>34043955
>250 dollar FFL fee

jesus christ i paid 25 bucks for mine

>>34044062
It's not my opinion, I'm half remembering an article about why it wasn't more widely adapted. Hence why I phrased it as a question.

>>34044032
>I haven't tried filling it with mud, not entirely sure why people do that.
AR fanboys are desperate to justify their purchase.

>>34044082
That's not what I meant. I mean, I'd be willing to pay $950, but a czechpoint is like a minimum of $1,150 for their most base model (and that one might be out of stock) so you have to go for a tactical/elite which are like $1,250-1,450.

And then you have other fees on top of that, even if they're small

>>34043975
The actions are equal in regards to performance in this case
Milled receivers are not inherently better, and a Vz58 weighs almost exactly as much as an AKM
This is just straight up memeing
No, they really don't run any cleaner either.

The AK and VZ do the exact same thing by approaching it from different angles. They are practically equal, one just has a much more viable aftermarket.

>>34044120

ok yeah CSA rifles are pricy, though i never remember having to pay any extra fees like sales tax

>>34044214
I've owned both, vz runs cleaner.
You're talking out your ass.

My LGS had a sporter for $850. I finger fucked it for a bit and thought it was really nice? What are non-spotters going for nowadays? The ones with wood-infused polymer (or fiberglass?) furniture.

Can the sporters be easily converted to normal configuration or are they designed in a way to make that difficult?

>>34044532
>Can the sporters be easily converted to normal configuration or are they designed in a way to make that difficult?
There are no differences in the stock/grip mounting points between the different rifles.
Same goes with the handguards with the exception of the 8.5" barreled models.

>>34044530
I've owned both, they both get dirty, you're full of shit.

>>34044530
So have I, neither one produces any more or less fouling than the other and both also won't be hampered by anything less than absurd amounts. It's a petty and moot point, just like the minute weights difference.

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I love both the AK series and the VZ58, but pic related with the suppressor and surplus ammo still runs cleaner than my Molot Vepr without a can.

>>34044643
That's tight

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>>34044591

the itty bitty handguard is surprisingly comfortable

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>>34043939
I fully admit that the vz58 is by-and-large a better gun than your typical kalashnikov, but something about those guns is just so ugly.

The black furniture in the OP certainly helps, but that skinny, long barrel combined with awful looking front sight makes me barf

>>34044756
They can be kind of ugly, not hi-point carbine ugly but ugly. I think the wood impregnated slim stuff looks good though.

They're not prolific, literally the only reason.

Oh also they're haunted.

>>34044791
That meme was shitty when it started and went down from there.

>>34044791
Haunted?

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stop talking about my favorite gun you're going to make it not special anymore RRREEEEEEE

>>34045117

the VZ is always going to be a special snowflake gun due to its cost and lack of aftermarket parts

>>34044032
>100 rounds and it's still spotless
I fucking hate hyperbolic retards like you.
>>34044090
>People are still butthurt over the mud test
Get over it.

>>34045117
Making of me to cease discussion.

>>34043963
>century
Return it now man.
I've been there done that. Just get rid of it while you can.

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>>34043939
In the end, they both sling 762 downrange fine. I think the vz is the better rifle, favorite I've ever handled, but aks are way more fun to collect IMO. The vz is certainly my most universally handy rifle both as a regular rifle or a vehicle gun.
>easy access to all corrosive(or non) ammo cleaning areas by only popping a finger-loose pin on the gas cover and using the BHO to give you access to bolt face area
>more comfortable rifle overall, not even accounting for the weight difference
>having a BHO in the first place to let you know you are empty
>stripper clip speed-loading, I consider it a lot easier to carry a few strippers in my pocket or pouch than a 30rd mag
>more compact than an ak
>quick change between fixed/folder stock, and the folder folds in the right direction so you can leave optics on if you want
>folder also drops open via gravity while you shoulder the gun at the simple push of a button
The only thing about the vz I consider worse is the mag release being harder to get at when you have gloves on in the winter.

>>34045117
You can't even get one right now.

>>34043939
There's nothing really wrong with the Vz58, but:
>tilting bolt
>best of anything
Then there's also the thin handguards that get warm fast, and the action that opens itself wide.

>>34044032
>I barely shot it and it isn't even dirty
Gee.

>>34044090
>Inrange makes a *grossly* exaggerated mud test to dispel the myth that the AR is sensitive to dirt, as well as dispelling the myth that the AK is unstoppable and would cycle even if the receiver was full of mud
>slavaboos REEEs so loud it can be heard from China
>nationalist vatniks send death threats and profanity to their inbox then broadcasts (poorly) edited versions of their videos on TV to make it look like the AK is unstoppable
>armchair operators desperately begging them to test X or Y rifle because surely it would do even better than the AR!
>infinity loop of anal anguish ensues when it turns out most guns don't have even closely as sealed or protected actions as the AR
If you take anything away from those tests beyond that it shuts up people who say the AR is shit or that the AK works reliably with it's action full of rubber cement, you are taking Karl and Ian's bait, hook line and sinker. They're doing these for fun now.

>>34045280
100 rounds through an ak will get it showing some dirt.
100 rounds through an AR will make it filthy.

I don't know if its better than the AK but the VZ is definitely under rated. I love mine, I got it back in my sophomore year and it still goes with me everywhere.

>>34045372
I'm starting to get the impression this whole thread is just one giant b8post.

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>>34045393

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my favorite snowflake gun

>>34045450
>5-round mags

that must be suffering

>>34045667
Makes you take your time to make your hits count, also my reloads and drilled to subconscious action.

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>>34043939
Vz. 58 is love :3

>>34045372
No.

>>34045873
If it weren't for your attentionwhoring, I would enjoy that Vz58 with wood.

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>>34045974
Sorry

>>34046013
I think the VZ would probably look quite good if it was blued.

>>34045372
I have put 300 rounds through my cheap dpms ar and it is still clean. You're full of shit.

>>34046067
Get glasses

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>>34043939
>tfw when line 5 years ago they were only $450 and was going to help make it little bros first purchase but he pussyfooted and now they're like 3x as much

>>34046096
Get raped in the urethra.

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>>34045117
Thanks to Canadians the VZ will never be special again

>>34046476
Yeah, fuck them. I remember they were real cheap and plentiful for a minute there, and now it's all gone and I can hardly find a WASR anymore. There really needs to be a decent AK manufacturer in the US, it's disgusting there hasn't been one yet considering all the third-world Khyber Pass shit and the like that turns out fine.

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>>34046476
Looks good with a modded zhukov fitted to it though.

>>34046624
Proportions make it look like a space SVD. Nice.

>>34046610
I get how a riveted trunnion system needs to have a quality manufacture to be good and how a skeletonized long stroke bolt carrier probably shouldn't be cast but the when you use a milled receiver and and surplus parts, exactly how does it being made by century equate to anything bad?

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>>34043963
>Century Vz2008

Fuck I remember when those things were $350.00 out the door and an actual Vz.58 from checkpoint was under $1,000

>>34044791
someone post the webm of the ghost in the magwell

>>34046624
How do you fit that furniture on it? I've been considering bonesteel arms rail but I like this.

>>34046858
It doesn't. That's my problem, I can't find the Century ones built off parts or imported like the WASR, and they screwed it with the RAS series. I can't tell you the technicals of it, necessarily, but I haven't heard a single good word about the things either.

>>34043963
Don't listen to the haters. My century has been fine for 3 years. It only shits the bed with tula hollowpoints not surprisingly. The VZ2008 was one of the few weapons they got right for the most part. VZ's have a problem when converted to semi auto regardless of century or chezch point and they both have fixes.

>>34043939
Because it is not as prolific as the AK. When a rifle is as ubiquitous as the AK their are far more stories of them performing well in war so even though the VZ58 is empirically a better weapon it will never the rep the AK does.

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>striker fired

>not linear hammer

>>34044717
UNF
that's exectly how I would configure a vz58 compact

snowflake gun whos entire existence revolves around reminding me I cannot have AKs

Looks goofy as fuck to me.
I almost got one but I ordered a Type 81 instead in the end.

>>34047340

just be sure you like chin welds

>>34044643
>Rotex suppressor

Yeah, wish we could get those in America.

>>34047363
>snowflake gun

Purchasable in almost any mom and pop firearms store in canada.

>>34048118
They're rare stateside, Canucks taking them all.

>>34045273
Vzs arent tilting bolts you retard.

>>34048190
https://youtu.be/d06hCqcuvsE
Sure looks like the bolt is tilting when the carrier pulls it out of battery.

>>34043939
Where can I find a vz58 for a decent price now a days?

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>>34043939
it's fucking fantastic (at the old price)...

>because lived in the shadow of the mass-produced and distributed AK famalam

>>34048391
That's a locking wedge, not the bolt silly.

>>34048391
>Locking lugs are now the bolt

>>34046624
what optic mount is that

>>34049391
RS Regulate my man

>>34049460
appreciate it

>>34045873
Well.
Im aroused

>>34047305
Can someone explain me what is the difference between striker and linear hammer?

As far as I've been able to gather only one is that one is directly connected to firing pin other is not.

>>34044120
Gunbroker nigga.
Ive seen the older import jobs (Not century) go for 950

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>>34046624
I want to hate it but i cant.
Shits sexy yo

>>34051641
Striker: The firing pin itself is the main moving part. The striker under spring pressure is released to hit the primer.

Linear hammer: The striker is struck by a second piece, "the hammer" that is moving in line with the striker.

>>34045873
Post more

>>34051803
>>>/soc/

>>34043939
>designed 1958
Literally why does this matter, why was this the first thing in your mind
>short stroke piston
The two most popular rifles in the world, numbering tens of millions in production versus 58s or 08s, are not short stroke.
>striker fired
Explain why you care. Seriously, explain in detail why a striker is better than a hammer and explain how you've come to this conclusion with both empirical data and your own non-make believe experience
>6.5 pounds
For the folding stock and no magazine maybe.
>folding stock
I forgot aks don't have a folding stock. Yes, no ak in the entire world has a folding stock but only the vz does. K.


>>34043975
And a bolt action gets next to no fouling compared to an ar- guess that means bolts are better than ars in every conceivable way

>>34044006
Unless you're trying to shoot while someone dumps buckets of gravel on top of you it's a non issue

>>34044032
Oooooooh 100 rounds oooooooooooooooh so operator much experience wow oooooooooh how many birthdays did it take to save up that many rounds

>>34044643
That's all that matters, not having to clean your guns

>>34044756
You haven't shot one huh, the vz or an ak. You're wrong regardless because the rpk does higher base damage and the bipod gives it +20 stability so why you wouldn't prefer that is beyond me

>>34045127
Finally someone that's not a fucking retard

>>34051808
I meant the vzs you faggot.

>>34045217
>easy access to all corrosive(or non) ammo cleaning areas
What's an ammo cleaning area, how often are you cleaning your ammo? Second, I didn't realize the ak was so impossible to strip that required specialized training
>more comfortable rifle overall, not even accounting for the weight difference
It's the same round, same mass, same recoil. What are you even talking about
>having a BHO in the first place to let you know you are empty
Your only valid, non autistic point
>stripper clip speed-loading, I consider it a lot easier to carry a few strippers in my pocket or pouch than a 30rd mag
You can consider whatever you want under that little fedora but on what planet is reloading with a stripper clip faster and less fuck up-able than a box magazine
>more compact than an ak
Literally what
>quick change between fixed/folder stock, and the folder folds in the right direction so you can leave optics on if you want
It doesn't have a spring loaded poison bayonet or built in thermals either so this is irrelevant
>folder also drops open via gravity while you shoulder the gun at the simple push of a button
Do you think other folding stocks don't swing freely on a hinge when the lock is released? Try leaving your room once in a while and open your door and notice how it too swings freely once you turn the knob. Then furiously google for a door that won't open even after you turn the knob.
>The only thing about the vz I consider worse is the mag release being harder to get at when you have gloves on in the winter.
Now you're not gurgling shit through your teeth. This alone is why the vz has no place in serious discussion or outside of a low budget gun range rental counter

>>34048413
Police evidence room in 2007

>>34051872
>can't unfold the folding stock with gloves therefore the entire gun is absolute shit.

Let me guess, you think anyone with a gun that isn't a $2k Ar15, with $800 red dot for home defense is using a crappy plinker as a weapon.

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I like my D-Technik VZ58 but I dunno, it just feels so.... small.
I'm a pretty big guy (6'5, 200 lbs) and it feels like a toy when I'm holding it.

>>34051872
The speed loader is for recharging magazines winch is way faster and easier than by hand and more convenient than carrying a speed loader.
It allows for the rapid addition of tracer and AP ammunition without removing your magazine or tactical top up before actions.

The ejection port on an AK is half the size of the VZ.
Vz is lighter.
Vz is thinner
Vz has fewer moving parts than AK
Vz is chrome lined
Vz has a machined receiver
Vz magazines are lighter
The Soviets didn't just let anyone build their own equipment it was clearly superior in every measurable metric.
Just saying

>>34043939
There was that lever-delayed blowback alternative to AK that wasn't adopted only because AKM(its competitor) was more familiar.

Kinda sad nobody ever produced it in bigger quantities.

>>34052369
>it was clearly superior in every measurable metric
I really don't think there's an appreciable difference between the two, they both do the same thing approached in different ways.

I'll give it points for a proper hold-open though.

>>34052378
Lever-delayed blowback gets pretty in recoil brisk with rifle calibers, I really don't think that thing would have been much better.

Lever-delayed blowback to me seems better suited for pistol calibers, like for subguns.

>>34051798
Ok, thank you. I was confused,because in my native language "linear hammer" is separate word that translates directly to "striker".

>>34045450
> tfw want to casually do practical in-kit drills by myself innawoods or on large open land
> southeast PA
> only obscure christian cultist gun clubs with $700 fees
> 100m 3-round limit bench gamelabd ranges
> 25m Indoor ranges where I cant fire steel cased
> literally zero public land that is not heavily controlled gamelands

>>34051872
I wanted to refute your points, but I just don't see the point. After reading your post, I'm absolutely sure I'm arguing with someone who doesn't own both of the guns he's arguing for/against, and especially have no major knowledge(and especially hands-on experience)with different styles of folder stocks.
You are dodging by making odd connections that don't even make much sense instead of making a real argument. It's almost like you don't own guns at all, the way your brain just doesn't make "gun owner brain" connections with each strings of words read. You just jump to some oddball thought process.

>>34045873
Cute feet and nice socks. I demans moar

>>34052992
>>>/soc/

>>34043939

because>>34043941


look at that gaping huge fucking hole m8

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>>34045450

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>>34046903
I'm in the spoonfeeding mood.

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because this one exists

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>>34053326
But, there are both of them exists in our Universe :3

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>>34052992
>>34051803
>>34051587

>>34043963
vz2008 is fine. Got mine at an auction for 500$. 1k round thru with 0 issues.

>>34053929
Sure, if you like the worst trigger next to a Nagant.

>>34053474
I just want to let you know I'm probably gonna masturbate to these

>>34054046
Good luck ;3

>>34053474
>>34054201
>>34054046
>>>/soc/

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>>34052753
My range is a Fudd central, but usually there is no one there so I can run drills. Look around and see if there is any shooting competition near you, even if you have to travel a few hours its worth it.

>a VZ thread devolves into parroting menial, partially true advantages the rifle has over its far more relevant competitor and barely passable stockingfag /soc/ rejects fishing for (you)s from a desperately thirsty group of meme-slinging snowflakes
I mean I guess the VZ community didn't stand a chance once PSA liquidated their stock of '08s, but holy shit.

>>34054201
Uncensored imgur link pls

>>34054459
I knew it was fucked the instant the shitty and forced haunted maymay started being shitted all over. Too many poorfags at one time riding the high of having their first real rifle that wasn't a nugget or SKS or fuddgat.

>>34054485
>>>/soc/

>>34054546
>>>/nyet/

>>34054602
Not even him but that was the cringiest shit I've read here all day

It's like you came over from reddit a few months ago and your only exposure to /k/ before that were stale screencaps from 2011

>>34054639
Been here eight years now, sharing porn is a tradition amongst kommandos. Don't make it all weird and gay man.

>>34054663
Doesn't change the fact that camwhoring and their sad thirsty crowd goes on >>>/soc/.

I have never seen so many poor fags rounded up in one area. How many of you weird fucks bought them when PSA decided to sell them for a few sheckles instead of throwing them in the trash?

Dont bother responding because i know you are gonna lie about it.

Keep trying to justify your shit purchase boys.

>>34054700
A-are you gonna make me go away, senpai?

>>34045217
what bag is that

>>34054746
M60 barrel bag, I think.

>>34054773
my nigga i would suck your dick right now no homo

>>34054804
np m8

>>34054457
Is that the range? Any range with big tactical shooting bays like that isn't a fudd range.

>>34054940
I'd rather say a Canadian shooting range

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>>34054940
That's a range three hours away where they host three gun matches. Pic related is my home range.

>>34053929
1k rounds?
so half of a range trip?
rofl dude