which country's special forces have the hardest, most gruelling

>>34015399
Land/air: SAS
Land/sea: SBS

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It's got to be the SAS, all other special forces are based off them.

>>34015399
bump for interest

Brazilian Special Forces selection is one enormously grueling hazing session.

As for actual training probably SAS or US Special Forces. Probably the latter since they're used for deployment so frequently.

Djibouti Special Forces

>>34015399
Burger training is based off of SAS training.

SAS best ever.

>>34015519
>niggers
>being good at something
pick one and only one

>>34015582
Theyre second to none at killing other nigs, second only to Rhodesians or maybe SADF.

>>34015592
>they're best at killing incompetent lazy niggers so they must be amazing special forces!
it's like saying that pest control is the best special forces for dealing with roaches

>>34015565
I keep hearing this meme here but where's your
proof?

>>34015411
>>34015565

>US models unit after SAS after WW2, burger SF born 1952
>64 years ago
>britbongs unironically believe burgers are still copying their training and tactics
>burger SOF have been operating and perfecting their craft literally nonstop since the 50s
>SAS has gone decades at a time without real world operating, now only doing limited missions against extremists in MENA
>but muhhh SAS, we wuz kangz

You bongs are always good for a nice laugh.


Anyway my guess is the hardest selection is probably from some backwater country where it's basically just one insane gay hazing session, but that doesn't mean they have the best training.

>>34015399
The truth is some third world shit
Because they don't give a fuck are just playing pretend at being American supersoldiers from what they learned in movies.

First world special forces isn't just random torture. It's got years of history and everything has a purpose.

But thirdies do shit like shooting at each other with live rounds.
So many of them die during "training" but they don't care because it's barely more dangerous than regular life

>>34015399
That would be the Guatemalan Kaibiles. They force you to raise a puppy, then at the end of training kill it and eat it. Of course dehumanizing training techniques have their down side, afterwards you don't really believe in anything which is why a lot of these guys retired and are now enforcement for los zetas cartel.

>>34015627
>SAS has gone decades at a time without real world operating
It is good that you are here to educate us on British SOF deployments, mind telling us where you read this drivel?

>>34015643
This.
Doing arbitrarily hard selections is not hard. Doing a meaningful selection that will not generate as few false positives AND false negatives as possible (preferably without killing or maiming any of these perfectly fine soldiers) is a lot harder.

>Best Training
US or UK (read: those that pour ressources into it and actually use their forces.)
Considering how much they work together, they're probably about even; with one or the other getting the better trainer or idea by chance, then passing it to the other (and the rest of NATO) once it's proven to work.

Also, there's always different preferences and focuses that are really hard to compare.

>>34015627
>SAS has gone decades at a time without real world operating
I understand you believe so since SAS doesnt come out with their Hollywood-bait stories and more or less tell everyone about their missions, equipment, etc.

Hoorah!

>>34015399
SAS and Delta. Other than that I know SASR, FSK/MJK, KSK, SEALs have good training.

>>34015680

And at the end of all that you still have to live in Guatemala lol

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The US Coast Guard's MSRT is the single most depressing loss of a SOF unit ever.

Were they all sent to the US Navy when they were shutdown?

>>34015616
Im not even the dude who said Djibouti Special Forces in the first place, I was making a satirical comment that the only things nigs are good at is killing other nigs.

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>>34015708
>I understand you believe so since SAS doesnt come out with their Hollywood-bait stories and more or less tell everyone about their missions, equipment, etc

Not the guy you are replying to, but do you bongs seriously believe that SAS operates more frequently than the burger equivalents? The US has been constantly interfering and fucking around in other countries since the second world war. Their entire economy/military/status quo is built around overthrowing democratically elected governments if those governments don't bend over for US corporations. They've been doing this shit for like 70 years nonstop.

>>34015753
sorry friendo

>>34015627
I don't dispute training has changed over time but the fundamentals are still there.

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>>34015771
The SAS has been operating in conflicts around the world since their inception. You forget how many countries are british allies or ex colonies; even more have asked the british to help out or intervene in crises.
The official status of the MOD on UKSF operations is that 'we cannot comment on past or current SF deployments and contributions.' Just because they dont go throwing a parade every time they complete a mission doesnt mean they arent out there doing jobs.

For a large part of the 70-90s and even today SAS and other SFSG units, including Royal Marines, have helped national government and US anti narcotics forces hunt down narco traffickers in South America.

Here is a link to all UK military involvements going back centuries. Any since 1945 you can almost guarantee the SAS in some shape or form were there. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_the_United_Kingdom

Tl;dr: youre chatting bollocks

>34015771

No one said they do operate more frequently, but the SAS weren't even known well at all until the Embassy Siege so why would they want to be more in the public eye than that operation caused them to be?

>>34015836
dammit

>>34015771
I'm not a bong, you assblasted burger. How do you know SAS isnt involved in the same? The difference between American SOF and literally every other, is that Americans have some sort of need to tell everyone else what they're doing, what theyve done, etc.
Fuck, I know less about the missions my country's SOF participate in, they may release an abridged story 4-5 years after something has happened. They dont make thousands of books, movies, etc. Most other countries don't do this, people didnt even know Canadian special forces were active in the middle east until a camera crew accidentally showed footage of unknown soldiers with Canadian equipment, in which the country had to reveal that they had forces down there.

>>34015845
Lot of places like Northern Iraq and Syria have had Brits, Aussies and Canadian spec forces running around in there long since the US left.
After the US pissed off and considered it job done, it was up to them to gather info, train people and do the odd hit.

A great deal of what a modern spec forces does is essentially info gathering and not nearly as much door kicking as some people seem to make out.

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>>34015826
As you can see from pics related and the link, the British Army has been involved in some sort of conflict almost every year for over a hundred years; yet you claim the SAS has little experience and havent been doing anything.

The SEALs have only been around in their current form for a few decades, and at least up until 2001 they were doing pretty much fuck all. All of their current operational experience has been in the last 16-17 years, whereas the SAS has nearly 70+ years of experience.

>Oh look a thread about SOF
>bongs are all triggered 20 shitposts in
It's not like any of you are actually SAS lol, why do you always do this?

>>34015958
Because it's the one aspect of their modern armed forces that is worth pride

Let us not forget the >a fucking ramp debacle

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>>34015436
I met some Brazilian Commandos when i was in the army(military service is mandatory for men). Apparently that shit is insanely hard and dangerous. I even knew a guy who failed because of medical reasons, part of his face was deformed because he couldn't figure an explosive right and it exploded next to him.

Yet, people say GRUMEC is even worst.

>>34015861
SAS is not really a seal counterpart, that would be SBS.

>>34015858
U.S. spec ops never left there either you dummy

>>34015975
>Because it's the one aspect of their modern armed forces that is worth pride

K but if you aren't personally in those units then why would you have "pride" in it? Idk maybe it's cause I'm from canuckistan but the UK mentality about this sort of shit is bizarre to me (and most everyone else in the developed world save the burgers who are in their own world altogether).

Canada has swoopy operators who are probably just as tough as nails and well trained, but I don't feel required to constantly defend their "pride" on every 4chan thread. Seriously the Canadian military gets shit on in /k/ constantly but you never see canucks get triggered the way the bongs do. You guys have a serious inferiority complex.

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When i created this thread i expected a comparison of both American and Brit SFAS but i only got a dick measuring contest about which unit is older.

>>34015643
>>34015680
Checks out.

>>34015861
Not the guy you're arguing with but,
>The SEALs have only been around in their current form for a few decades
They're only 2 decades or so younger than the SAS.
>and at least up until 2001 they were doing pretty much fuck all.
Vietnam, Panama, GW1, Bosnia, various shit holes in Africa, other shit most people probably don't know about. C'mon man.

>>34016038
You'd be a little touchy too if you were the former rulers of the world and the current hegemony started shit talking. It's a generational thing.
>Hey dad, look what I can do!
>Yeah well in my day, etc.

>>34016038
> from canuckistan

Yeah, most people in liberal hellholes arent raised pride in their armed forces because killing is bad, and if you kill the enemy, they win.
Britain and America have very strong military histories interwoven with their culture, and as such, SF being the best of the respective militaries its basically the whole our team v your team, our tank v your tank, our boxer v your boxer.

>>34016171
>our tank v your tank
Our tank is still better than those fucks.

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>>34016007
Not him but as a Bong the Navy Seals really confuse me. Like in the UK SAS tend to come from Paras (equivalent to like 82nd/101st/Rangers[I know not the same but Paras are a formation like 101st/82nd with training similar Rangers] Army basically) and SBS tend to come from Royal Marines (I know any branch can try out for either in the UK but you get my gist they are specialised with specialised pools of recruitment one from the Infantry of the Navy[Royal Marines are part of Navy not a separate entity like USMC] and the other from army). SAS are specialised in Airborne insertion, SBS in Water based insertion (Both could probably do either but you get me)
But in the US SEALs are navy specific, yet they are considered the best of the US SF by outsiders and some Americans (I know probably Delta>ST6). Surely the Army SF and Marines SF would be better as they recruit from better stock (actually Infantry based personnel rather than Navy seamen). I just don't understand where SEAL's fits in as a role which Marines and Army can't do. It would be like having a Chair force Special Forces (inb4 Night Stalkers, they don't fight they fly), surely combat branches are better for SF, where do SEAL's get the men?
TL;DR what role does the SEAL's play that Army and Marines SF can't, why do they exist, where do they recruit from if not navy?

>>34015708
>I understand you believe so since SAS doesnt come out with their Hollywood-bait stories and more or less tell everyone about their missions, equipment, etc.
Actually, SAS mediawhore more than even SEALs.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/politics/163956/burka-clad-sas-soldiers-take-out-isis-kingpin-in-daring-syria-mission/

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British Special Forces had to deal with the troubles, and legitimately fighting properly organised paramilitaries on home ground recently enough you still have active personal from the height of it.

And they're engaged seemingly just as much as the US in actual conflict, if not more so on a comparative basis because of smaller size of army.

On the other hand the Americans have indisputably the most powerful and best equipped military in the world.

So to be honest it's going to be between UK & USA.

Disregard meme third (second) world countries like Russia who treat their people as disposable.

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Probably a Western Special Force but they are all frequently engaged in the same theaters and cooperate so much as allies (tbqh they all look exactly the same now, not really much diversity in operational functions) its probably is the US because they have to most money for new kit. They all train similarly and fight with the same doctrines. Hell everyone even uses MultiCam now, wtf?

>>34015845
>I think the entirety of US SOF is Nav SEALs the post
Gee anon, are you sure you're qualified to be posting in this thread?

>>34016214
SEALs started out basically as combat divers and then specialists in littoral operations. Mission creep and the hollywood reputation that they've gotten, - as well as the lack of applicable missions and of course the ever present budget in-fighting between branches forcing them to compete with missions to prove their relevancy for increased funding - have made them the "go to" guys for special missions. Great example is the Op Red Wings (Lone Survivor) fuck up where the Marine Recon was going to do a simple recon mission but the local SEAL team was subbed because the guy in charge of JSOC was a Navyfag. In reality they've turned into a glorified direct action team, with them not being very good at anything other than shooting. Sure, they retain the ability to do their other shit, and train on it, but it isn't what they have a lot of operational experience with.

Now, Army Special Forces (the actual unit) are what everyone thinks SEALs do and then some. They're the guys out doing actual unconventional war-fighting in asymmetric environments on their own. They're the real jack of all trades that can parachute into an area, hike 20 miles, make contact with local nationals, recruit and train a militia, and then lead that force with US or coalition support. Or they can be door kickers, or anything in between.

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>>34016270
>someone calls in a shocking case of butter knife ownership without all the proper licenses
>all the officers at the precinct faint when they hear about the report
>"oi laddies, this one wanna go to tha top dogs!"
>after parliament falls asleep five times while the report is being read, its the mission is assigned to the SAS
>they're the top-notch super elite soldiers who model the entire worlds special forces!
>the breach team is two flamboyant gays and three women who can't stop taking selfies
>after five minutes, they manage to break into the dastardly knife-wielding manics house
>they catch the bastard putting butter onto his toast, red handed
>"hey, would you like, uh, please be arrested... please?"
>the guy turns around and looks up
>he's wearing a turban
>the entire breach team gets on the ground and screams "i'm not racist i'm so so so sorry"
>they all begin to beg to suck his cock to show how tolerant they are
>after two hours of showing their pro-diversity stance, they head back
>after-action report: paramilitary force defeated, hundreds of potential lives saved
>a bit later a bong on a mongolian finger-painting & origami website tries to tell me that the SAS "legitimately fight properly organised paramilitaries on home ground recently enough you still have active personal from the height of it."

>>34016171
>most people in liberal hellholes
Srs? Canada is a "hellhole"? Have you ever been here? We have our problems but it's a pretty damn comfy place to live, but I guess since I've never experienced true "freedumb" like you guys down south, maybe I'm just naive.

>Britain and America have very strong military histories interwoven with their culture, and as such, SF being the best of the respective militaries its basically the whole our team v your team, our tank v your tank, our boxer v your boxer.

Canada has military history as well, it just sounds like most of the bongs in this thread lack any personal accomplishments in their own lives to be proud of. For example, in college I competed on my uni's downhill skiing team and am proud of my medals from that, because those are events that I personally trained hard for and competed at a high level in. But since I've never been in the military, let alone in SOF, it doesn't make sense for me to be proud of anything the military does. Nations aren't collective hiveminds operating like an ant colony. That way of thinking is beyond autistic and the fact that you don't see that is concerning.

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>>34016416
Kek

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>>34016416

>>34016214
People can apply to join the SEAL teams as soon as they volunteer. They go straight to BUDS. So the US Navy isn't filling the SEALs with existing Navy personnel, so much as they can get people off the street who want to do SF work.

The Army is the same - with the 18X contract you can go straight onto the pipeline for Rangers/Special Forces (Green Berets). The UK doesn't really have an equivalent - both the SAS and SBS (and SRR for that matter) recruit soldiers with a few years experience.

>>34016214
Also,

> It would be like having a Chair force Special Forces (inb4 Night Stalkers, they don't fight they fly)
Never heard of USAF Pararescue or Combat Controllers?

>>34016214
ALSO (apologies for the triple post) it's not like the SAS always recruits from infantry regiments. A lot of combat support personnel (engineers, signals etc) go into it. A lot of infantry soldiers are fucking mongs who wouldn't survive in SF.

>>34016550
>It would be like having a Chair force Special Forces
>(inb4 Night Stalkers, they don't fight they fly)

You know 160th is an Army unit right?.....

>>34016569
He meant Air Force "Ghostwalkers" which is another meme unit the Air Force insists is SOF.

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>Selous Scouts
Selection was rigorous, and even tougher than the Rhodesian Special Air Service course.

When volunteers arrived at the Selous Scouts' training camp, they were given a taste of the hardships they would have to endure. On reaching the base (which was a 25-kilometre (16 mi) run away from the drop-off point) they saw only a few straw huts and the blackened embers of a dying fire.

There was no food issued. The objective of the training at this point was to narrow the list of potential recruits by starving, exhausting and antagonising them.

This was successful, with 40 or 50 men out of 60 usually dropping out within the first two days of training.

The selection course had a total duration of 17 days. From dawn to 7 am, recruits were put through a strength-sapping fitness programme. After they had completed this, they trained in basic combat skills.

They were also required to traverse a particularly nasty assault course several times in the course of the training program.

The course was designed to overcome their fear of heights. When darkness fell, they began night training.

In the first five days of the course, no food was issued, while for the rest of the period only rotten animals were allowed.

>>34016612
At the end of training, they had to carry out an endurance march of 100 kilometres (62 mi). Each volunteer was laden with 30 kilograms (66 lb) of rocks in his packs. These rocks were painted red, to ensure that they could not be discharged and replaced at the end.

The final stage of this march was a speed march, and had to be completed in two-and-a-half hours.

For those who survived these days there was a week of leave; they were then taken to a special camp for the dark phase of their training. At this camp, they learned to act and talk like the enemy.

The base was built and set out as a genuine rebel camp, and the instructors were on hand to turn the recruits into fully-fledged members of the enemy groups. In this phase recruits were taught to break with habits such as shaving, rising at regular times, smoking and drinking and to adopt a guerrilla lifestyle.

The recruits were in the field on patrol with the Selous Scouts only a week after the completion of their training.

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>which country's special forces have the hardest, most gruelling selection process?
SAPS/SASTF
They do shit that would make SEALS tap out in a second, and would absolutely be considered illegal here, bordering on war crimes.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-eFU_r_H_gg

>and which one offers the best training?
I'd say the S.A.S. but no one really knows. There's probably some classified super unit of Sam Fishers that the CIA runs that not even The President knows about. The CIA has a book of blank names for operators that have died in combat. Most of what the CIA does is spy type shit and subversion, but they have a unit that does what they refer to as "kinetic operations"

>>34016585
No I meant night stalkers but yes I'v never heard of >>34016550 USAF Pararescue or Combat Controllers. I'm a Bong.
Do civvies tend to be of lower quality than enlisted recruits?
And >>34016560 I know that's why I said >I know any branch can try out for either in the UK but you get my gist
Thanks for the response tho.

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>>34015399
>which country's special forces have the hardest, most gruelling selection process?
i know of one that kills all its recruits and the ones that resurrect from the dead go on to the next part of the training process

>>34016416
>Meanwhile...
>a WHITE MALE posts "problematic" content.
>The RAF launches drones.
>man's house is targeted.
>2000lb bombs obliterate his flat.
>However a mosque down the street is in prayer and all the "immigrants" get triggered and spray gunfire at passerby.
>This is blamed on systemic racism.

>>34016457
> i cant be proud of something unless i was in it and did it

So you cant be proud of your olympic team unless you were there? You cant be proud of your sports team winning unless you were in it? You cant be proud of your son getting an A because you werent there to witness it? Thats far more autistic.
Having pride in your nations past and traditions, both with heavily include the military and honouring the men who died for your country is far from autistic. Only a cuck who has inferiority issues and hates his country would think otherwise; leading me to believe youre just ashamed to be Canadian and are pushing that inner inedaquacy and discomfort off onto others and trying to cajole them when they actually show pride in their nation, which is exactly what sovereign citizen/extreme SJWs do. Are you one of those?

>>34015627
>>SAS has gone decades at a time without real world operating,
False.
Did you know over the past century the british empire has been constantly at war?
We even had our own vietnam, two of them to be exact, malayan emergency and malayan confrontation. Except we won.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/feb/11/british-forces-century-warfare-end
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/ng-interactive/2014/feb/11/britain-100-years-of-conflict

I'd say hungarian & romanian special forces training is brutal even coming from a brit thats saying something

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ANOTHER QUESTION

which SF has the hardest SERE course?

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Just because the selection is harsh doesn't mean it correlates with being the best. It might even mean the exact opposite, because the training might not actually prepare the forces to acceptable standards and hence have a huge dropout rate.

>>34016612
>[...] while for the rest of the period only rotten animals were allowed.
Uhhh, wut? They fed them rotten meat?

Sounds like some tall tales to me. Training an elite soldier, then infecting them with salmonella, listeria, or golden staph sounds like a stupid thing to do, and has nothing to do with "weeding out the weak"

>>34016416
Thats a lot of butthurt for one post lad, did Nigel fuck your mother or something?

>>34015958
>bongs are the ones triggered

kek what's it like being illiterate?

The thread is literally full of americucks crying at the bongs

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>>34015734

they still exist

DSF has 3 different parts though, MSRT -counter terror mission, MSST - security force/ area containment and TACLET- counter narcotics/ high risk law enforcement


aside from MSRT, all really more law enforcement oriented like SWAT

>>34016416
What's it like living with a bong step-dad?

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>>34015680
>The Kaibiles are infamous for their reputed practice of forcing recruits to kill animals, which includes raising a puppy and bonding with it before killing and eating it, as well as biting the heads off live chickens. In addition, recruits are shot and forced to perform field surgery on themselves, and to drink water out of recently fired artillery shells. As part of the course's finishing ritual, every recruit must drink "Bomb", a mix of tequila, whiskey, rum, beer, water, and gunpowder, served in a bamboo glass with a bayonet tied to it. Soldiers must drink it carefully, so as not to get drunk and cut themselves with the bayonet

Why can't bongs and burgers get along, CAG and the SAS train together all the time

>>34016758
>>34015680
i kinda wanna see these guys fight delta

>>34015399
NZ SAS are the best in the world

t. Im a kiwi

>>34016665
>So you cant be proud of your olympic team unless you were there? You cant be proud of your sports team winning unless you were in it? You cant be proud of your son getting an A because you werent there to witness it? Thats far more autistic.

Yea I'd say being legitimately "proud" about any of those things is a little autistic. When a Canadian wins gold at something in the Olympics I might cheer or something, but no I'm not "proud" that some random guy who happens to have been born in the same country as me ran around a track faster than some other guys. I'm "proud" of things I'VE actually accomplished in MY life (building a cabin, graduating uni, etc)

>Having pride in your nations past and traditions, both with heavily include the military and honouring the men who died for your country is far from autistic.
Sure but like in all things there is a balance to be had. I'm glad I was born in Canada and I respect the men who died in legitimate conflicts like WW2 but I don't base my life around blind patriotism. If people want to join the canadian SO forces that's cool for them and I wish them good luck, but no I'm not going to buy their Tim Hortons or clap on airplanes and shit. It's a job, physically and mentally demanding, but just a job and being in the military doesn't make you any more "honorable" or worthy of respect than a sanitation worker especially considering how bullshit the conflicts in the ME are.

>Only a cuck who has inferiority issues and hates his country would think otherwise; leading me to believe youre just ashamed to be Canadian and are pushing that inner inedaquacy and discomfort off onto others and trying to cajole them when they actually show pride in their nation, which is exactly what sovereign citizen/extreme SJWs do. Are you one of those?

Lol k.

>>34016683
>beard
What a fucking numale

>>34015399
Who cares only about selection process?
The important part is the years after that.

>>34016758
>what is permanent injury
>what is lead poisoning
Life must be very, very cheap down there.

>>34015409
Maybe 40 years ago bongbro. You set the standard, which is admirable, but you guys are small potatoes compared to US SF units at this point.

>>34016826
>canadian doesnt understand pride
What a shock, go sip maple syrup and keep pretending you evan have a real country you smelly little eskimo

>>34016497
What are they gonna do, kill me for mis-gendering someone?

>>34016880
you can join the seals straight from being a civi.
To Join the SAS you require 2 years service or a dispensation owing to considerable performance during time of conflict

Not being funny, but i'd take 3 guys with 2 years experience over 6 crowbags.

>>34016923
>comparing SEALS to the SAS
Better comparison would be Delta

>>34015734
>Be Coastie face shooter
>issued multicam kit for operations on boats when MAS grey kit exists and is used by SEALs for maritime operations
>no vegetation or dirt on boats

Why.jpg?

>>34016950
Because it looks cool.

>>34016784
>after a staggeringly short match delta emerges victorious with no casualties
>turns out getting drunk, killing puppies and drinking lead water doesn't make you a good soldier

>>34016946
but when people think US SF they all think seals and rangers.

but i do submit after SAS/SBS i would say delta are number 2.

>>34017002
US SF is just Army Special Forces, there are no other SF units.

>>34017007
Green berets?

>>34017022
Yes

>>34017007
Doesn't the Air Force call some of their units "SF"?

>>34017026
you have green berets, delta force, rangers & 160th SOAR.
I'd argue that rangers are more of a special forces support group rather than dedicated special forces.

>>34016699
What you see as butthurt is actually 16 years purposly insighting shit because bongs eat it up

>>34017032
Security forces, just another name for MPs. Army SF still owns those two letters.

>>34017032
>>34017041
PJ pararescue should really get those letters.

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>>34017032
The Air Force says/does a lot of shit. Just ignore them.

>>34017038
Okay, point still stands that the only Special Forces unit in the US are the Army SF. Rangers and SEALs are SOF but they don't do what the Army SF does.

>>34016762
We do, in real life we cooperate very well. People arguing on a Mongolian basket weaving forum should not be compared to reality.

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>>34016923
To be fair, SEALs are the only US SF unit that I'm aware of that allows entry into selection straight out of basic, everyone else requires at least a few years of experience in regular units first. You are right though, experience counts. I'd take a couple of rangers with three or four combat deployments under their belts over some green SEALs fresh out of SQT.

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>>34016963
I'd argue that mas grey looks cooler.

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>>34016826
SyrupBro you might legit be on the spectrum. That's okay though, you do you.

>>34016981
This...Delta would absolutely destroy 99.9% of any third world shithole "SF" unit. Hazing the shit out of an illiterate spic does not make him competent.

>>34015399
/Pol/ memes aside, thoughts on sayeret matkal?

>>34017208
>everyone hypes them out to be the greatest SOF everr!!!
>when in reality the only enemies they've got is incompetent and untrained hamas/hezbollah "fighters"

>>34016691
In several first hand accounts they were given rotten baboons to eat, which they boiled. It was what the Commies did in the bush so they did it too, or something like that. This is just from memory, so I may have it wrong.

>>34017222
Well, that's the same thing anyone fights these days anyway, and they're really good at it.
And besides, they actually fight, unlike many other SOF.

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>>34017249
IS,AQ and even talib is arguably more competent than hamas.

>>34017293
They're more competent than Hamas, but less than Hezbollah.
They are far better than many think.
It's that underestimation that led to the embarrassments during the second Lebanon war.

>>34017235
>In several first hand accounts they were given rotten baboons to eat, which they boiled.
If the meat has already started to rot, boiling isn't going to make it edible, that's not how that works....

>It was what the Commies did in the bush so they did it too, or something like that. This is just from memory, so I may have it wrong.
Yea I have a hard time believing any 'developed' nation is going to poison their own men with rotten meat just b/c "muh hazing"

>>34016891
K.

>>34017202
So because I'm not a mindless nationalistic drone jerking off to highlight reels of the Olympics I'm the autistic one lol? And you guys wonder why the rest of the world laughs at you and your cheeto president.

Delta. The selection pool is much larger.

>implying Delta doesn't train SAS these days

>>34015399
>there are people posting unironically in this shit-tier bait thread

whewlad

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>>34017616
>question
>bait
bait threads usually put an opinion, not a question, supertard.

>>34017637
>questions cannot be bait
>you even said usually, therefore you admit questions can indeed be bait

self btfo

>>34015399
>offers
that's not how this works

This is a stupid question, there are probably few if any spec ops who post on /k/. And answers are based purely on personal bias and media

>>34017616
How the fuck is this a bait thread?

>>34017726
>asking a vague question that can be evaluated in a thousand different ways to a board filled with infants with the zero knowledge on the topic but will shitpost from mount stupid because infantile nationalism is what they know best

gee, how indeed

I don't understand who is supposed to be more l33t, Delta or Seals. Seals have the media attention and even their own recruitment website while Delta is shrouded in mystery so it would Delta is the real badass factory but then again Seals get the most important missions like taking out Bin Laden.

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>>34017826
>Seals get the most important missions like taking out Bin Laden.
top fucking kek if you believe bin laden was killed in that SEAL raid

by the way, wanna know who captured saddam? Delta.

>>34018165
>find a compliant and unresisting old man hiding in a tiny hole in the ground

totally l33t

>>34018165
He was hiding in a hole in the ground. Seals managed to storm an islamic compound in the middle of a hostile country.

>>34017167
In New Zealand and Australia they have a selection process where you are able to be a civilian and join. It tough though, couple of my mates have gotten in, they push you pretty hard and all the other guys dont like you as much.

>>34018194
>an unguarded three story house in a Pakistani college town
>islamic compound

topkek

>>34018194
>hostile country

you know Pakistan is a US ally, right

>>34018180
>>34018194
raiding a goatfucker who worked for the CIA and his little buddies VS chasing down the OG dangerous motherfucker and his elite bodyguards

Even though, bin laden didn't die in the SEAL raid.

>>34018225
>his elite bodyguards

saddam was found with cold hard cash, brah

>>34016950
>>no vegetation or dirt on boats
They could be Russian boats, anon

>>34017473
> either blindly fanatically patriotic
Or
> no pride whatsoever

Much like you, its on a spectrum, not absolutes. One can be proud of their countrys accomplishments and history without being happy about the current state of affairs in their country.

>>34016708
lol anti-terrorism buoy tenders

Definitely Indian special forces... The most grueling phase of selection comes right at the every end... If you don't get the timing of the bollywood dance perfect, you fail... No second chances.

north korea

>>34018499
Their final test is the toughest, one that goes against every single instinct in their body...they have to poo in loo.

>>34016214
>yet they are considered the best of the US SF by morons...

Army SOF trumps any non-army SOF, simply due to the fact that the assaulters almost always have years of experience conducting fire and maneuver before even volunteering for the SOF unit. SEALS, on the other hand, are fucking sailors that have zero experience conducting raids, or dismounted combat operations of any type. SEALS are a bunch of fucking n00bs compared to their peers in any army SOF organization.

Take a Delta / SAS dude as an example. Odds are he came from a light infantry / ranger / para infantry background and lasted long enough to make NCO before being able to try out for SOF. There's a dude that's humped a ruck, developed physical and mental toughness, conducted airborne and air assault ops, and done a lot of fire and maneuver ops during day and night, while incorporating organic and external supporting arms, like indirect fires and CAS.

Meanwhile, the SEAL comes from the naval fleet that does what exactly? They don't hump a ruck, they don't do raids, they don't incorporate or coordinate supporting fires, they run a fucking ship, and maybe do some boarding ops of civilian vessels, or qualify on the occasional weapon platform, but as far as naval infantry ops go, they have Marines to do those tasks. So a SEAL that makes it through BUDS and gets assigned to a team is a straight up fucking n00b in the ground assault world, which is why they're constantly getting their asses handed to them in firefights during real world ops. They're good at their seaborne shit, but when it comes to operating on land, I'd rather have a ranger platoon than any group of SEALs. That applies to any "SOF" that gets their dudes from the fucking navy.

>>34018957
This tbqh.
Most of army SF is infantry skills, just done at an expert/master level.

>>34017222
This , same for the IDF in general desu .

>>34019145
>army SF is infantry skills, just done

....with a decent budget and an actual personnel selection process.

>>34015399
>watch people say SAS who get a mission once every ten years
>quietly cuckle

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>>34015627
>>SAS has gone decades at a time without real world operating

>which country's special forces have the hardest, most gruelling selection process?
Third world armies near conflict or never ending ones, with little to none political correctness or care of wellbeing, dignity of oneself. i.e Guatemala and Salvador would be my pick
>and which one offers the best training?
the answer to this one its those who are oftenly in need of, and in so, to avoid losses due high expenses of said training, so would say USA, seconded by Israel.

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>>34015582
French legion had problems few years ago, now it's just faggotry.

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>>34017038
>I'd argue that rangers are more of a special forces support group rather than dedicated special forces.
I'd argue that you're a clueless moron.

>>34015399
The German Army's KSK(Basically SFOD-D/DELTA) has a crazy selection process. It's called hell-week and consists of a week of basically no food, no dedicated sleep times, mental tests, pretty crazy physical tests like lugging around big logs on your shoulders for a few kilometres, and then doing a test on paper.
It's been called the worst thing you can legally do to another human in a democracy.

Overall, I'd say the KSK is one of the most underestimated special forces.

>>34017032
All special mission and anti-terror units under JSOC and USSOCOM and their equivalent groups in other countries are called Special Forces these days.
Sure, Green berets originally had that title, but it's pedantic to criticize someone for calling Delta or SEALs or Devgru or whatever SF.

>>34019623
A proper autist will call those Special Operations Forces.

>>34016708
>all really more law enforcement oriented like SWAT
More like the FBI HRT:

>>34016619
>There's probably some classified super unit of Sam Fishers that the CIA runs that not even The President knows about. The CIA has a book of blank names for operators that have died in combat. Most of what the CIA does is spy type shit and subversion, but they have a unit that does what they refer to as "kinetic operations"
Well, the SAD/SOG/POG exists and that's basically CIA SF.
They take people who've worked in military SF and give them additional training, especially in psychological warfare.
I'd say SAD is even better than most Tier 1 units.

Also, the president still acts on a 'need to know' basis, so it's not unlikely that he doesn't know of every CIA unit.

>>34019671
>I'd say SAD is even better than most Tier 1 units.

Nope.

Not even close.

>>34017826
Delta. Seals just run a killer marketing campaign.

And SEALs got that mission because the leader of JOSC at the time was a Navy Officer.

Also: DEVGRU got that mission, not regular SEALs. There's quite a difference between them and DEVGRU is more like Delta than regular SEALs.

>>34019697
Care to elaborate?

>>34019723
I worked with some of those dudes in A-stan.

They don't have the same motivation as a regular SOF dude, or even a conventional dude, and it's because the bureaucratic chain of command they work for makes decisions that crush their souls. When it's your job to recruit, train, and lead a local force against our enemies in a foreign nation, it gets hard to swallow seeing them get fucked up because of a lack of support that YOU promised them, or hearing about how they, and their families, get butchered when you get told to leave because your government no longer has a use for them.

It takes a specific kind of person to be able to do that shit for a living, and that person tends to be more sociopathic than your average dude. Most SOF guys, hell people, aren't like that.

>>34019855
Shit, I can imagine that.

Thanks for sharing.

>>34019855

bribes are the only thing the CIA is capable of doing. SAD is little more than money couriers. when the money runs dry they turn tail and run. that is why pretty much everything the SAD has been involved in that has been declassified are abject failures.

>>34019886
>bribes are the only thing the CIA is capable of doing

What pisses me off the most is that the U.S. is supposed to be a fucking "melting pot", and we're stupid enough to take any and every asshole, regardless of their nation or culture, and yet our fucking intelligence agencies hardly ever have any decent human intelligence assets in any of these shitholes we waste our time on. But of course they're always willing to spend billions on fucking satellites and aircraft and shit.

Fuck those guys. Our intel agencies are straight up ass, and it's largely due to how we allow moron politicians to hire other morons to run our government so they can enrich themselves and attack their political enemies.

>>34020003
So, which Intelligence Agencies are actually good?
You seem like someone who knows a bit about this stuff, I'm mostly interested in European Intelligence agencies.

>>34020054
>which Intelligence Agencies are actually good?

The ones that work for the more dictatorial governments that can control public opinion and don't give two shits about what the world thinks of them.

See: Jews, Iranians, Russians, Chinks

SAS vs SBS?

>>34016708
What is the pipeline for this MOS?

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>>34020669

>>34019587
Only one week? That's literally the entire month long selection process for any US SF or SOF unit. Goddamn Germans are fucking overrated.

>>34015399
Depends on if you mean "actual usable skills" or "macho man bullshit" like crawling naked over broken glass.

>>34016585
I love that most people are totally ignorant of the true USAF Special Ops community. PJ, Combat Control, as well as TACP's assigned to Army Spec Ops units are "operators" in the true sense of the word. The 'I' Course (Superman School as its called), similar to BUDS, must be completed by all PJ/CC candidates to begin training, when I attended AF Security Forces School in 2002 I ran into a prior service Army SF medic that had joined the AF specifically to become a PJ ( The AF encourages prior service Special Operations to try out for PJ/CC), he had to go through it all over like it was his first time, and he told me that the 2 classes of candidates in front of his had a 100% attrition rate, NONE of them finished the I course. The beauty of the AF Special Ops community is the while all the asshats in the other branches (especially the Navy) are busy making book deals and posing for the camera, these guys are quietly doing their jobs and doing them very well I might add.

Also, even at the peak of the war in Iraq and throughout the GWOT for that matter, the AF has refused to lower their standards just to fill the ranks with new bodies, so at any given time there's usually less than 1000 PJ's in the entire service.

>>34016585
You may not want to admit it but The 820th Base Defense Group is a well trained unit with a good deal of combat experience. True, they're not Special Operations, and the whole time I served in the AF, I never heard of them referred to, or represented as such. But they are Airborne, and Ranger qualified troops add to that the fact that even regular Security Forces often perform duties well beyond that of an MP (which is what they originally were and for the most part still are), it is the largest enlisted career field in the AF (somewhere around 26,000 troops) and they serve virtually anywhere the AF has assets that require protection. The 820th traces its lineage to a program created during the Vietnam War to protect our Airbases from being overrun by large enemy units (Look up operation Safeside, also, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phu_Cat_Air_Base_Security_Forces)
My point is there are still some people serving in the AF that possess warrior ethos and truly understand that someone still has to stand and fight, to protect and defend everyone else, and these guys gladly do it. I served in a Security Forces Unit myself, and everyone else, especially POGS from medical or the other really "soft" AFSC's looked at as like we were from another planet, because they didn't understand us or what we really did and we liked it that way.

>>34022469
>ignorant of the true USAF Special Ops community

That's because when most people talk about SOF, they're talking about direct action units, not support dudes. CCT and PJ's are little more than the air force version of the army forward observer and medic that get HALO and / or dive school.

>>34017167
You can take the initial physical selection test for the Seals in Navy basic training (also for the Diver Program) they tell you when and
where to go for it at Great Lakes, if I remember, it was usually in the evening after the training day had ended.

>>34022619
Describes TACP, thinks PJ and combat Control are "support" troops. Funny.

>>34022619
2 years to train support troops? Let me smoke some of that shit you're on.

>>34022619
Here's what 6 Air Force "Support" troops did in Iran in 1980,

Six enlisted Combat Controllers plus Carney-known as "Coach"--would go into Iran. Marshaling duties on the North LZ, where three of the six C-130s and six of the eight RH-53s were expected to land, were the responsibility of Mike Lampe, John Koren, and Bud Gonzalez. On the South LZ, Dick West and Rex Wollmann would emplace the TACAN next to the dirt road and also marshal the other three C-130s and the remaining two helicopters. John Carney and Mitch Bryan would establish the control point collocated with the TACAN and handle the air traffic control duties from there. Colonel Kyle would position himself there as well. (From https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Air+force+combat+controllers+at+Desert+One%3a+April+24-25%2c+1980.-a0195917880) They had to Recon, set up, and secure the LZ BEFORE Delta arrived, and then direct them in. Know something about your subject before making asinine comments. Have you worn a uniform outside of JROTC or the group of Reenactors you LARP with?

>>34022688
>>34022699

They're fucking support troops, dude.

It takes two fucking years for the PJ course because they've got to go through standard air force bullshit training, then they do one of the longest courses ever, ie, the medical course, and then they have to get through basic jump school, HALO, and scuba school. That takes time.

The CCT guys do what exactly that's high speed? Survey a fucking runway in the desert and call in cargo birds? Please.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not disrespecting those dudes at all, but they're support troops....just like any other support troops assigned to SOF units.

>>34022765
>uses desert one as example of how high speed air force CCT are supposed to be
>leaves out the fact that their excellent "control" skills resulted in crashing a RH-53 into an EC-130, effectively ending all chances of a successful mission, and embarrassing the entire nation

They had ONE JOB and they fucked it up.

This samefag shlucking SAS's organ is going ham

We all know both the amerikkasn and the bongs took inspo from da eyetalians for frogmen operations

>>34015399
Israel. They are able to actually do shit and not just brag in shitty movies.

>>34024777
read>>34017222

>>34016762
It's just banter m8

>>34025032
So what makes Hamas/Hezbollah less competent then the organizations US SOF units, for example, fight against?

>>34015399
SAS DELTA DEVGRU no specific order

>>34022789
CCTs can get attached to any SOF unit, don't diss them. They're valued for their skill set since they're highly trained and are capable of keeping of with any unit given their training. They don't just do air traffic control, they're also JTAC qualified.

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>>34016384
Mfw no HS diploma, can only get op 40 no SF 18x contract

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>>34024777
Ha! Good one

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>>34025276
Their area of operations is extremely small, as a guerrilla they can't manoeuvre and move around effectively.
(compare them to Taliban in Afghanistan or IS in Syria or the Iraqi insurgents, they are operating in extremely big areas which means they can set up and evade effectively without getting BTFO by government forces )

They are weapon and equipment starved because the Iranian intelligence is so fucking stupid to smuggle anything without getting caught like retards

They keep trying to use the same old tactics of using tunnels or excessive unguided missiles which shows their retardation.

And hezbollah is already Knee-deep in shit since they're trying to help the Syrian government against rebels and IS.

>>34016858
>Guatemala
Of course life is cheap there. I've never met a Guatemalan that I wouldn't describe as desperate in some fashion.

SASR

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>>34015627
>all the emotionally wounded Brits replying furiously to this post

>>34027533
>people correcting false information
>>lol butthurt