>be Aztec Jaguar Warrior >you see a Spaniard wearing armor

>>33991866
>How do I beat him?

If history has taught me anything, I don't.

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>>33991866
Use a sling with a rock. Use a club if he gets close. You can also tackle him and insert a knife into the segments between his armor. Don't bother with a macuahuitl, the rock edge will shatter on impact.

>>33991866
Syphilis and white guilt.

>Implying he brought a horse on a ship and brought it with him this far

I do what the Aztecs actually did: I load up an atlatl with a spear and chuck it with enough force to punch through the armor. Levers, bitch.

>>33991904
>Rocks shatter on impact
what? rocks may be brittle but they're strong as hell. I can imagine them taking some serious abuse before just shattering like glass on armor

>>33991910
>inb4 spaniards aren't white

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>>33991922
We're talking about obsidian rocks that have been fractured into sharp edges.

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I pull out my CC and mag dump his ass, stupid fuck. Don't you know the Aztecs invented firearms? The Aztecs were a space-faring civilization before the white man came along and killed them all.

>>33991866
> Surround Jaguar Warrior camp with spiked pits
> Cover pits with woven grass / saplings mats
> Taunt Spaniard
> Laugh as horse breaks legs and dumps 50+ of tin can into nearby hole from a full gallop
> Acquire stainless steel sword
> Profit

>be nigger who rips out peoples hearts as a sacrifice to the sun god or some shit
>oh fugg, the other locals have now joined with the Spanish
>get coughed on
>die

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>>33991866
atl-atl, then have my daughter have sex with him so my genes get to spread

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>>33991866
>stainless steal sword

>>33991921
>atlatl
>piercing armor
Kill yourself you fucking retard.

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>>33991866
>stainless steel

>>33992105
That's for incoming arrow fire you fuck.

>>33991924
A R A B S
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>>33992143
arabs =/= moors

jesus fuck this thread

>>33992143
>>33991924
Hispanic you fucking retards
Spainards were, and are, hispanic
They are not white
They're more white than a black, granted, but they're not white

>>33991866
See >>33992112 and >>33992124

>>33992170
but when you think of hispaniscs, you're really thinking of the admixture of spaniards and indigenous peoples

>>33992165
Many of them were you fucking moron. The Moors were made up or Berbers, Arabs, and sub-Saharan dindus.

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>>33991866
You beat them by convincing the tribes who you have beaten the fuck out of for a century to NOT hate you so much. Do that and you basically have 200 lost white people against your 100,000 strong army of well traveled warriors. Just overwhelm them at that point. If your arrows and spears don't take em then exhaustion will.

>tl;dr - don't be a dick to your neighbors, it's how nations lose in the end

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>>33992661
>not making friends with the white people to beat the shit out of the tribes who have tried to beat you for a century

>>33991924
Some of them were anon. Once upon a time you could tell the difference.

Not so much anymore though.

>>33991943
You can grind stones into stronger points just takes forever

>tfw you will never know what could have been had the spaniards never eradicated the indigenous population
What weaponry these heart ripping sun worshippers could have created.

Horses are afraid of spears and Aztecs had spears. Anyway I'd hide in a tree and jump down on the passing Spaniard and slit his throat or whatever unprotected area there is with an obsidian knife.Obsidian is brittle but it's 10 times sharper than steel so would have no problem bypassing padding.

>>33991866


Spaniards didn't use armor or heavy equipment as much as it would seem.

The heavy armor was too inadequate for jungle were humidity and heat could make you suffocate

Guns weren't effective in the long run since powder tender to get wet, but they were effective in scaring the natives

Horses were hard to bring and their effetiveness was along with guns; scaring the hell out of natives(war horses back in the day were true beasts, not the slender beauty contest/race competition horses we see today)

You want to know a very effective weapon in this enviroment? Hispanic mastiffs, they were dogs trained and bred for combat, so aggressive that you wont find the original breed nowadays because its only purpose was war, these dogs even had armor on them and attacked in packs so fast that would rapidly become the nightmare
of even ATF agents.

Of course having iron swords, in a place were iron is nonexistent is also a huge advantage but not so much when the enemy doesn't carry an armor worth noting and even the enemy swords were made to cut(and obsidian cut a lot, keeping the obsidian sharp was the hard part)(and legends says that they were made to incapacitate/wound but this only seems like the 5,56 meme all over again but 500 years ago)

And of course their true weapon was diplomacy, when the main power has been a dick to everyone for centuries no wonder everyone turns against them at the first sign of opportunity, I mean they can't be worse than these guys that came in a boat, right?

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>>33995142
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alano_Espa%C3%B1ol

Maybe its this one, but I know that is more of a mastiff, if it were it might be this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neapolitan_Mastiff

Or both, since nothing blocks you from using both races and they both existed for the same purpose back then.

But either way, the breeds we have today have nothing to do with the ones they used back then, thats for sure.

>>33992170
Are you retarded? Spanish people are white. Hispanic people are a mix of Spanish (white) and native

>>33995079
Probably nothing because Indians are literal subhumans.

>>33991866
Probably primitive molotovs using clay pots and flaming oil or noxious chemicals, this will pretty much ruin bith the horse and riders day, since horses freak the fuck out over fire and probably wouldnt take kindly to chemical warfare either
Also tfw you will never cook a spaniard alive in his steel suit

>>33991866
Well actually what would happen is the Aztec Jaguar warrior would see a Spaniard wearing a helmet and maybe a cuirass standing next to a hundred or so warriors from the villages I've subjugated.

>>33995199

He is going with the "HURR DURRR AL-ANDALUS" "DURR MOOR DOMINATION HURR" all over again.

Even in these times of constant immigration you can find that most of Andalucia is white(and probably whiter than most US cities).

Thats because back then, the moors that came in were mostly slavs slaves and berbers that in the worst case were mediterranean. Then account for the fack that locals were segregated until they accepted muslim faith(they paid higher taxes) and the fact that during the reconquista a "pure blood" policy was implemented for centuries, and then you can conclude why the R1b distribution in Spain is similar to France.

>>33995142
>Hispanic mastiffs, they were dogs trained and bred for combat, so aggressive that you wont find the original breed nowadays because its only purpose was war, these dogs even had armor on them and attacked in packs so fast that would rapidly become the nightmare
>of even ATF agents.
Source? THis sounds interesting. How did they only attack Aztecs? How were they trained? Wouldn't it be easy for the aztecs to just kill them? A lot of work to train something that doesn't know how to avoid weapons.

>>33991866

>stainless steel sword
kys

>>33991866
fire.
drowning.
drop large rocks on them.
long, pointy things by the metricfucktonne in the hope of penetrating the gaps.
smother the fuckers in bodies if necessary

Spaniards had no chance against the aztecs. They only won because other tribes helped them.

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The aztec macuahuitl was feared. There are sources of them lopping people's limbs off and even cutting down horses. I'd get on my knees out of range of the Spaniard's sword and then cut the horse' legs.

>>33991866
Entangle t horse with bolas, cut horse's legs with axes, drag spaniard down with hooks on sticks. Hold his arms and legs, stick dagger into his eye.

>>33991866
An atlatl will go right through plate at a surprising range. The armor and weapons of the Spanish didn't scare the Aztecs, the horses did.

>>33991866

>throw rock
>falls off horse
>dies
>eat his heart and fuck his horse to gain power

2 weeks later I die of smallpox

>>33995442
Do you think Europeans would have invented atlatl too if they didn't get gunpowder from Asia? Seems like the only thing outside of guns that can defeat plate. Not even longbow arrows could penetrate plate armor.

>>33995442
>right through plate armor
https://youtu.be/hjV7lYP6hRw
Literally fake news.
Sad.

>>33995584
you don't have to penetrate people to kill them. the shock of something that can dent plate like that sends extreme shock waves through the body.

>>33995181
That doge looks very concerned about something.

>>33995602
I swear this place finds a new way to infuriate me every day.

>>33995272

I can only give you spanish sources

https://hispaniamipatria.wordpress.com/2015/07/26/alanos/
http://www.elconfidencial.com/alma-corazon-vida/2016-07-23/perros-virrey-hernan-cortes_1237619/
http://pinturasguerra.blogspot.com.es/2014/09/los-perros-de-guerra.html

Basically:

>the soldiers go paid the equivalent of his own wage for every dog he had
>They were armored with leather armor and armed with spikes
>They were trained to distinguish by smell natives and conquistadores
>At times they became uncontrollable, and started massacring everything didn't like; specially old people and children since they were specially vulnerable
>At other times they were used as a form of torture, called "aperramiento"(something like doggery, which isn't a good translation but the nearest that I can come with)

Now, some translations.

>>33991866
>stop the horse
>get him to the ground
>die of flu anyway

>>33995620
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alano_espa%C3%B1ol
>El fraile Bernardino de Sahagún refiere testimonios de indios atacados por «perros enormes, con orejas cortadas, ojos de fiera de color amarillo inyectados en sangre, enormes bocas, lenguas colgantes y dientes en forma de cuchillos, salvajes como el demonio y manchados como los jaguares».3 La descripción tiene un inevitable tono de admiración y temor; no olvidemos que en la época precolombina (antes del arribo de los conquistadores) los indios poseían perros de pequeña talla y cuerpo menudo. De esta suerte, los indígenas denominaron a los canes de los españoles una «diabólica invención»

>The monk Bernardino de Sahagún got testimonies of indians attacked by "giant dogs with cut ears, eyes of a wild beast with yellow and injected in blood, giant mouths, hanging tonges and teeths like sharp knifes, wild like the devil and stained like jaguars" the description has a certain tone of admiration and dread, since we shouldn't forget that in the precolombine era(before conquistadores) the indions had small dogs, so the natives called these dogs "a diabolic invention".

Cont

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>>33995620
Thanks a lot, lad. Interested to hear more. Just find the image of dogs fighting alongside their owners very appealing.

>They were trained to distinguish by smell natives and conquistadores
Do you know how this is possible? Do races have different smells like that or was it something they wore that smelled?

>>33995637
>>33995640

Think about it, you have people that was born in Europe, and had a completly different life style from those of the natives, so its only natural to have very different smells if your nose is capable to distinguish the very subtle differences.

Also, yes, there are differences in the sebaceous glands of different races, have you ever been around niggers and noticed how they smell like "tough leather"? Well if you were to ask them, whites smell like "sweet milk".

And if I remember correctly asians had the most clean smell, but from this point you get the idea, yes certain populations have specific smells with them.

>es el furibundo ataque de una docena de alanos que causan un impacto sicológico brutal entre las filas de combatientes adversarios. Pedro de Alvarado, consciente de la carnicería indiscriminada que está ocasionando la horda perruna, intenta retirarlos en vano, pues la presencia de niños y ancianos entre las filas de los autóctonos, víctimas propiciatorias para los canes por su natural indefensión, causa hasta en la tropa propia problemas de escrúpulos

>Its the savage attack of a docen of alanos that causes a brutal psychological impact between the files of the enemy combatants. Pedro de Alvarado conscious of the indiscrimante slaughter that the dog horde is causing tries to retreat them but to no avail, because the presence of children and old people between the natives makes them special victims for the dogs for their natural vulnerability, to the point that starts causing problems of scrupulousness between the troops.

>>33995602
You realize all the energy in that atlatl is from the arm of the person who threw it, right?

>>33995079
well by the time Europe was sailing around the world and making steel they invented the sharp stick and the fast stick so probably not much

>>33991866
Retreat into to the jungle and wage guerrilla warfare on them. Conquistadors wouldn't know how to acquire food/water in the jungle, and their armour in jungle climate would tire them out.

>>33995662
>https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Becerrillo

And this one even managed to make it into history.

>Becerrillo was trained in the island of La Española, were traditional hunting dogs were trained for military purposes since they were considered perfect for hunting fugitive natives
>In 1511 left La Española to go to the San Juan Islands, with his master Sancho de Aragon(Or Diego Salazar depending on the historian)
>It was a giant dog, with many black spots in his reddish fur, a dark nose and Ochre eyes. His jaw was powerful capable of hacking in one bite the extremities of an adult person without difficulties.
>It was appreciated by his ferocity and total commitment to the battlefield. He was also very useful in hunting down fugitives, but without violence he only gently dragged the fugitives back to his allies, unless they resisted, then his cruelty didn't know limits.
>He could understand people,the language didn't matter, and could easily distinguish between rebel natives and friendly ones, and he was extremely loyal to the point of risking himself to save any friend.
>In consequence he received double rations(at points his food was better than that of the troops) and a wage for his service to the motherland, equivalent to the payment of a crossbowman.
>At one point, Diego Salazar got assigned a recon mission, and after a brief skirmish with the natives wanted to give a dantesque show to his exhausted soldiers, so he asked his soldiers to find a old native woman to whom they will give a letter that she had to give to the local governor or be eaten by the dog(obviously, it was a mere excuse)

cont.

>>33995838
>So after they gave the letter to the old woman and shortly after she left, they released Becerrillo at the same time they induced the dog to kill the old native, but to everyone surprise when Becerrillo was about to jump on his victim, the old woman kneeled and prayed for her life because she was going to deliver a letter to the governor. In this situation, Becerrillo that had a near total understanding of human speech, simply stopped and smelled and licked the old woman(some say that Becerrillo urinated on the old woman)
>This was understood as a sign of divine intervention and felt humiliated to such a point, that when they came back Ponce de Leon(the officer that sent them to the mission) ordered them to release the woman and escort her back to her town

>Between his descendants, the one that was the most famous was Leoncico, that accompanied his master Vasco Nuñez de Baboa in many battles in wich Leoncico played crucial roles. Leoncico is also considered to be the first of the European dogs to see the south sea(Pacific ocean), during the first Spanish expeditions.
>Legends say that Leoncico’s teeth became red for all the natives it killed and that in almost all skirmishes killed more natives than any other soldier.

>After doing a long service in the ranks of the Spanish army, Becerrillo returned to his owner side to rest and recover from his wounds for a certain time, but soon was called again by Diego de Salaazar.
>But at that moment, Sancho de Aragon, was watching the property of the Luisa, the wife of the landowner mulato conquistador Pedro Mexía, and decided that the animal would rather do defensive rask since the Caribbean natives were becoming increasingly rebellious.
>One day, the house was attacked by natives, and as a result of the siege, the house owners died and Sancho de Aragon was captured

cont

>>33995848
>immediately, Becerrillo quickly charged into the natives to save his master, killing many of them. So this forced them into releasing Aragon near the river(Today the river is known as Grande de Loíza) from which they intended to escape.
>But while they were leaving in the canoes, they started to throw poisoned arrows and one of them penetrated the leather armor, into his body.
>Becerrillo died later while Sancho, in a vain effort, tried to save his life.
>When the Spanish soldiers received news about the death of Becerillo, they chose to hide the death and burial site so they could still scare the native after his death.

>>33995584
tv show tests are interesting but inconclusive.

>Well, I've just found some rather shocking data on the performance of the atlatl. According to tests published in Antiquity 71(274): 890-897, the kinetic energy of thrown darts is truly extreme. The average KE in a thrown 273 g dart is 247 J (42.5 m/s) and go up to as high as 559 J (64 m/s). The heaviest dart tested, 545 g, averaged 353 J (36 m/s) and peaked at 771 J (53.2 m/s). That last number exceeds the KE from a .357 mangum round.

Honestly I have trouble believing such figures, but they were published in a peer-reviewed journal and are cited by atlatl enthusiasts. They also accord with Spanish accounts of the ability of Amerindian darts to pierce armour. Bernal Diaz claimed Aztec darts could pierce any armour, and de la Vega recorded that Amerindian darts could completely pass through a man wearing a coat of mail. I no longer doubt these accounts. Using Williams's armour tests, a heavy dart with a steel tip could pierce even high quality plate armour. Obviously stone tips would do worse, but the best armour still might not be proof against an exceptional throw.

http://web.archive.org/web/20060830174432/http://www.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/hhistory/atlatl/atlatl.html

>>33991866
>he is charging at you with his stainless steal sword
>stainless steal sword

>>33991922
>shattering like glass
Obsidian is glass, like volcanic glass.

Use advanced gorilla warfare tactics like making a big pile of leaves and hiding inside it.

>>33995442
> The armor and weapons of the Spanish didn't scare the Aztecs

Most firearms did scare them, and when they used metal armor they imposed themselves as somekind of gods.

In fact Aztecs tended to feel a lot of fear of almost everything that came from Europe.

>>33996138
You should also take into account javelin construction and its ability to transfer all energy into penetration of small hole. Small shaft bends and brakes, thick shaft stucks in the hole. Stone is not best armor piercing head either. Ideal design would be Roman pilum but...

>>33991866
>stainless steal sword
lol

>>33996407
Don't forget the old legend they had of pale gods in giant boats full of snakes (rope). Anthropologists figure that the norse may have gone as far south as the aztecs, killed the shit out of people and left.

There's this persistent myth that the mighty Aztec empire was defeated by just a handful of Spaniards. It's not true. A disease weakened Aztec empire was defeated by a handful of Spaniards at the head of a native coalition ten thousand strong. The Aztecs were basically the Third Reich of Mesoamerica, and their numerous enemies jumped at the chance to put them down. Most of the Aztec warriors killed in battle probably never even laid eyes on a gun.

I haven't read any accounts of Tlaxcaltec warriors at Tenochtitlan dragging the priests to the alters and slaughtering them with their own ceremonial knives, but I like to think it happened.

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>>33996138

>>33995104
>>33995438

but dude we have to drag him back to sacrifice!

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>>33995838
>>33995848
>>33995854
good doggo

>>33996587
> A disease weakened Aztec empire was defeated by a handful of Spaniards at the head of a native coalition ten thousand strong

It should have its own merit by itself too.

Going into the end of the world? Not knowing anything about the natives or the enviroment and still managing to join them against a much powerfull evil empire? By using just a few guys?

That seems like an excellent case in optimization.

>>33995079
The language and culture is preserved and still around the indigenous population of Mexico

>stainless steel sword
Laugh at him and call him a mallninja. Watch as he sails back home to his mother's basement crying.

>>33991866
>stainless steal

Spaniards confirmed for niggers.

>>33991866
>stainless steel sword

I shoot him with my gun.

>>33991866
>like pic related

Wait for him to die of heat exhaustion & dehydration?

>>33997112

Thats... a pretty correct answer.

While he' said charging at you? You don't.
>Run
>Acquire battle buddies
>Set ridiculous number of horse ankle breaking traps along accessible routes.

The key to the knight isn't the armor. It's the armor + speed. Cavalry crushes because it's moving. Strip the conquistador of his horse and it's Agincourt Round 2: Electric Boogaloo.

That is, of course, implying your fucking blowdarts or whatever can do fuck all to a drop-dead exhausted man-tank. Muhstoppingpower.jpg.

I don't actually know much about South American armaments besides the probable spears and traps capability, plus nearly impenetrable Hell climate. Maybe drop rocks on them? Immobility from armor is compounded. 1000% keep them disoriented in the trees. Conquistadors had shit tier muskets right?

>>33995142

I'm the ankle trap guy. This legitimately edifyed me. Thank you.

>>33995490

Actually, longbows could penetrate most plate armor. That's literally why the English loved them over the standard bow. If the standard didn't work, armor piercing arrows were a thing. The crossbow was only partially developed as a method of increasing power/range, it revolutionized because it put less mechanical stress on the user over the course of a fight.

>>33992122
http://waa.basketmakeratlatl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Tapuya-Atlatl-Article-by-Harald-Prins-25-May-2010.pdf

refute, you nigger

Are we considering mano a mano (OP's scenario, conq gets horse) or are we including all relevant available units (ex: kill doggos)?

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>>33996875
Oh, definitely. Studying this shit, I couldn't NOT like Cortez. He was a truly magnificent bastard.

>>33997460
At point blank they penetrated like an inch deep

A warbow (those 6 foot tall bows with drawbacks of like 140 lbs)

>>33997526
* a warbow would wreck plate out to 100 yards though, if it had good arrows

As long as I'm on jungle tiles they can't do shit. I'll just keep killing and get that culture victory.

>>33991866
>stainless steal sword
So... Aliens?

>>33996138
>peer-reviewed
>often cited by atlatl enthusiasts
Yeah, this is largely nonsense, especially with that bullshit copout of steel tip and using mail.

>>33997733
that victory condition has been disabled.

>>33992105
"UNITS! MOOOVE!"
"Form testudo."
"UNITS! Guard this area."

>>33997889
Well fuck. Maybe I can hold out for a science victory.

>>33997874
there is abundant historical record of atlatls piercing plate armor, even if the spanish were notorious liars it is still highly likely to have occurred. some show not being able to replicate it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

>>33991866
Offer to become a Spanish vassal that way I don't get completely conquered. Then I get my hands on some of their better technology, and some hundred years later we can rebel.

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>>33991904
lost it picturing a 5'3" manlet wearing a leopard loin cloth trying to tackle an armored conquistador.

>>33995199
Only historically white people from the Iberian peninsula really were vasconians, who had decended from one of the original populations of Europe but remained isolated from the rest of the peninsula during the formative years

>>33995079
Well considering they had since around, o, 14k years to come up with something worthwhile and didn't, I'd say they weren't going to regardless of the Spanish interference. Seriously, the pinnacle of their weapon technology was a wooden bat with sharp rocks glued into it. They had no real armor to speak of. And although I would generally caution against using a societies culture to judge it's martial abilities, their whole religion pretty much guaranteed effective weapons would be missing the point. Aztecs sucked at everything except math

>>33998441
Which is exactly what happened, but for the Aztec's vassals and enemies.

The Mexica lost because everyone hated them. If it was just the Spaniards, they would've certainly won. Hell, they almost did several times.

>>33995142
The ATF fears no dog.

>>33995199
Spanish people are actually Hispanic, the people we think of as being hispanic in the Americas today are really mestizos. Hispanic is a term that refers to people from the Iberian Peninsula, or Hispania. Thus, all Spaniards are Hispanic. People of Hispanic+Native descent are part Hispanic.

>>33996526
>HOL UP

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>be on /k/, a board for weapons
>discussion on which culture would win in a fight
>immediately anons begin to bicker about the definition of white people

God I miss the days before /pol/

>>33997505
What's so good about Cortez?

>>33995142
also pike squares

>>33996526
They did go to Canada, but left because the natives were giving them hell. It wasn't worth staying.

>>33995207
They aren't niggers you idiot. Go back to pol

>>33991866
All the spaniads need is to show their white español penises. And all is lost

Armor, steel and guns are overrated in their American conquests

>>34003227
Didn't half of the vikings end up killing each other?
Or was that up in Greenland?

>>33995142
The obsidian saw/sword thing was mostly used to cripple legs and arms because taking live prisoners for sacrifice was the only way for Aztec knights to advance socially and politically. Of course, advancement had its own perils as the nobility were expected to provide a set number of sacrificial victims from their own families.

>>33991964
>WE WUZ SPACE N SHEEEEEEEEEIIIIIITTTT!

>>33991866
>realise ur a dirty beaner
>surrender
>spanish empire

Dude, Jaguar warriors get an attack bonus against infantry. it's easier, just make sure they're elite and got the blacksmith upgrades.

>>33995640
It's not race so much as a mixture of culture (standards and tools of hygiene, use of perfumes, oils, and unguents, etc.) and diet. As for training a dog to attack a specific group of people, the Mexicans in my neighborhood pay local blacks and se Asians to attack and tease their puppies, who then grow up to violently despise blacks, Laotians, Cambodians, etc. It's brutal but effective.

>>34004110
Dude, that's everywhere.

>>33991866
Stainless steel? Really?

>>33995605
>The Master says I am un nino bueno, but I don't feel like a good boy
>I have seen much horror and done many bad things
>I have tasted the spicy flesh of the natives and I hunger for it
>Will my forefathers forgive me?
>Will I always be my master's doge?

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Summon mommy thicc

>>34004513
I thought that.

But if you think about it, the idea of using an "incapacitating weapon" that is able to cut your legs, arms or head in a single swing doesn't seem like incapacitation to me.

Is like the people who say "shoot to the arms or legs to don't kill the target" when hitting almost anywhere is dangerous, and if its dangerous now, imagine at a time where hygiene wasn't even a word.

I rather imagine that it was the way they used the(dammit I don't remember the name) sword, since obsidian can actually cut even better than iron.

>>34004704

>insert rare and sad pepe

>>33995427
He'd stick you with his lance long before you got the chance to duck.

>>33997460
Wrong.

>>34004738
>No tears only belly rubs now

>>33991866
>steal sword
Depends who he stole it from

>>33991964
those are niggers
in mexico we know ourselves
we never say that kind of stupid shit
sorry if were you live hear that

>>34004746
Did you not read the OP? he's charging at you with his sword.

>>33991866

Probably take my handy-dandy long spear, stick the friendly end into the dirt, and at the last second guide tilt it down and into one of the joints on the horses armor before diving off to the opposite side of the Spaniards sword arm. Im thinking that with all that forward moment the there horse armor ain't gonna matter too much

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>>33995854
>>33995848
>>33995838
>>33995662
>>33995637
>>33995620
Thanks kindly for the translations, capped

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Cortez and all his men where veterans of the italian wars , the use mainly brigantinas , an armor made of layers of leather wit metal inserts Only the officers had plate armor and not that kind , half armour where more usual

They said that Cortes when they landed in mexico made a line in the sand with his sorwd , and said to his men cross this line for the glory , he ordered put on fire the ships at the same time

So your options as cortes soldier were figth for the glory or swin thousand miles to cuba

>>33997392
you're approaching their perspective from a planned and rational POV
The natives were scared shitless from 100 things they'd never witnessed including guns, steel, dogs, horses, tall ships, white skin and facial hair, etc.
Any one of these novelties could have psychologically destroyed the defensive instincts of the natives, let alone allow for strategy...is the way I read it.

>>34005118

Don't forget the horrible diseases. Those were fun too.

>>34005107
The bottom half of that is the stupidest goddamn thing I've read today.

>>34005132
His crew was in complete disarray and dissension they wanted to turn back, so he said fuck that you die here or we stick together and have a chance at surviving.

>>34005157
He enticed them with gold, instead of sharing it with spain and later colonization efforts it would be all theirs

He apparently left one boat left for the dissidents to go back on but apparently they were all like HOORAH after a rousing speech. Then they fucked up the last boat. Not sure if thats propaganda.

>>34005132
This is history writed by Cortes , to explain the conques of mexico to the king

Other important thing was the malinche , a indian woman give as present with other 20 slaves when cortes defeated the indians of tabasco She became his translator , made a lot of diplomatic work , so some tribes where allys against the aztecs She was his lover too

>>34005224

More or less rigth , due to several reasons too long to write here there were a lot of low level nobility called hidalgos that were raised to be soldiers that were in xxi century words unemployed after the conquest of the las muslin city and the finish of the conquest of napoles

It was not only the gold , the glory the social reputation and the honor were very important

>>34005268

Those would later form the tercios, a profesional army in a time when everyone used Impressment systems.

Not in design though, it was because the nobility in Spain was forbidden to work with their hands, and not only in a social sense but a legal one too. And since many noblemen ended up bankrupt at some point in their lives, their only option was to be in constant war to provide for themselves.

So just imagine why glory and social reputation was very important; they were people that thought they were above everyone else and had almost no other choice but to live that kind of life or die.

>>34005025


Dammit If I knew I would have corrected all the erratas.

Welp whats done is done, thanks anon.

>>34005352
This is not true anon , the hidalgos were nobility , but a special type that owns as much land as he could defend and work by themselves

That works very well in middle ages with the muslin indide the iberian mainland but with the muslin out of spain the were no need of them

They own very little extensions of land due to this , a single man with his family and a pair of workers at best cant aford the expenses of a lot of land

The quijote is a perfect example of this low level nobility , with little haciendas almost bankrupt

The problem with them was that charles the I of spain were born in germany and he replaced the spanish nobility with austriaan and dutch noblemen

The hidalgos and some other castillian began the comuneros uprise , they were defeated and a lot of them loose their lands

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>>33992112
TFW Tay Tay will never sit on your face. Why even live?

>>34005472
>the hidalgos were nobility

I didn't say they weren't

>with little haciendas almost bankrupt
> they were defeated and a lot of them loose their lands

I didn't say they were rich, but rather they were forced into living that kind of life.

Where is the wront part?

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>>33991866
>stainless steal
>steal

pic related

>>33997669
at that point in time, no, it wouldn't. backplate/sides maybe but not the front

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>>33992170
this man is retarded

>>33991866
Stainless Steel is terrible for blades over a foot long.

Perhaps they plated it with nickel?

>>33991866
Duck behind a tree and gtfo through the jungle

Sneak into his camp at night and slit his throat with my xhautluatilatl (knife)

>>33996407
>>33996526
Most anthropologists agree that any idea that the Aztecs saw the Conquistadors as gods, including any reference to "pale gods" is post-conquest rationalization and revisionism because "HURR DURR NATIVES DUMB" and because the Spanish wanted to downplay the achievement of the native allies and prop themselves up as these great masterminds. "The natives thought we were gods" is a persistent myth all throughout the Age of Exploration that almost everybody indulged in either due to misunderstand of customs or simply through tall-tales about how cool they were and how dumb were the natives.

There has been no Pre-Columbian evidence of anything like the pale gods or anything like that.

This guy >>33996587 has it right.

>>33995199
>americans actually think hispanics are W H I T E

fucking KEK your nation is doomed

>>34005512
The wrong part is that they work their land , they dont have any trouble with hand work

The worst thing for a hidalgo were mixing/dealing with a muslin/jew , honor pure blood witout jew ancestor and religion were their main concerns

in other words they were the grandsons of farmers with the duty of defend their farms allowed to be noblemen due to this and in my opinion betrayed by the high nobility when they dont need them any more

>>34005794
The Iberian peninsula was populated by celts, and later the Visigoths settled in what is now Valencia.

>>34004746
>using lances in the jungle
what a retard. Let's say we fought in an open space then. I'd just dodge the lance easily by getting on the side of the horse where he isn't pointing it and then do what I said in my other post. Now I don't even have to worry about a sword so I can stand and put all my strength into the cut.

>>33991904
Tackle a charging horse?

>>34005352
To add to what you are saying, the Spanish practiced primogeniture. Meaning the first born son of a noble family would inherit all of the father's estate. The other sons would have only their noble name. This meant that any other sons would have to make thier fortune on their own, generally by military exploit, because as you say they were banned from working with their hands.

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>>33998486
Over and over again

Conquistadors didn't use high end plate armour. You could probably penetrate it with a thrust of an obsidian spear.

>>33992170
Well they were ruled by arabs for the longest time

>>34006194
>You'll just dodge the horse and cut its legs
He will probably make sure to ride at you from your right, such that you won't get on his left. Which means you can either stand and get hit, dodge right and get trampled, or dodge left and be out of his reach... but you will not hit him either, that's for sure.

Of course, usually there's not just one horseman coming at you, there are several. If you dodge one, you're in another ones line, cutting or piercing or trampling you.

>>34006444
>Of course, usually there's not just one horseman coming at you, there are several. If you dodge one, you're in another ones line, cutting or piercing or trampling you.
Yeah but this was one on one so it's fair. I guess I could use my macuahuitl and push his lance aside like you'd do with a parrying dagger.

>>33995079
They had just then started to smelt bronze. 5000 years after Europe did. Do the math

>>33992750
You mean the same white people who will fuck you over afterwards?

>>33996587
This shit again.
>Most of the Aztec warriors killed in battle probably never even laid eyes on a gun.
Virtually ALL of the spanish were armed with sword and shield.

Of the missile troops they had, most used fucking crossbows. They had very few guns.

>The Aztecs were basically the Third Reich of Mesoamerica, and their numerous enemies jumped at the chance to put them down
They still completely fucking outnumbered those people.

They got their asses stomped because they weren't able to deal with the spaniards in close combat, hence their utter failure to defeat them at otumba.

>>33997392
Anon, they literally didn't know what horses were, and opinions varied form "oh look at that strange centaur man" to "clearly that animal is a fully intelligent warrior in and of itself."

They literally didn't know enough to know how to set horse traps.

>>33997460
No they couldn't, now fuck off.

>>33997669
Nope.

>>34005107
>the use mainly brigantinas , an armor made of layers of leather wit metal inserts
Shit description.
Briandine is small overlapping metal plates in a fabric or leather shell. The leather isn't the armor.

>>34005571
>Duck behind a tree and gtfo through the jungle

>Sneak into his camp at night and slit his throat with my xhautluatilatl (knife)

>Die of Smallpox

>>34004545
My nigga

>>34004545
The conquistador was an infuriating unit to face when massed with knights or cavs though

>>33996587
Pizarro had little aid and recked the shit of of the inca with 80 men
>under-estimating pike squares.

>>34007699
Playing with a friend at a LAN party years ago, I was using massed conquistadors to attack an enemy town, but mom didn't like the horses dying, so I set them to defend my town center and amassed some hand cannoneers to resume the attack. Between them, the bombard cannons, and my penchant for building castles surprisingly close to enemy towns ("Where the fuck did THAT come from!?"), I still won the round.

>>34003296
they are worse idiot

A sharp stick covered in poo.

>>34006194
You're an idiot.

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>>34007228
They actually lived better under spaniard control than under Aztec domain
it was a very low bar tho

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>>34005620
>"The natives thought we were gods"

>>33991866
Offer him gold that has no real world value, pray to the Aztec gods that you don't die from the common cold. Make your way up to the states.

>>33991866
>stainless steel sword
Nice problem solver you got there.
Would be a shame if....hey, watcha doing with that blanket?

>>34007748
Inca were the Swedes of South America. I don't think that's a very fair comparison to an urban civilization whose entire society revolved around the Blood God.

>>34006194
The Spanish used lances very effectively against the Aztecs

>>33995602
Are you naturally this dumb?

>>34005025
Nice job!

>>34004730
That's because you're assuming an unlikely longevity for an Aztec prisoner. While some would have been nursed to health and maintained like cattle, most were killed as part of the victory celebrations. Also most of the world weren't as desperately filthy as western Europeans after the plagues, where a severely diminished workforce combined with an increase in general superstition and religious fear to do weird, weird things to social mores.

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>>34004545
Do you also have the remains of your dead brother rotting away in the desert?

>>34008576
Man, that's like saying it's easier to live with cancer instead of AIDS.