Name a legitimate flaw with modern production Mini 14s.

>>33988304
They're mini 14s

>>33988313
/thread

They're like $900 new when a $500-$600 AR will be a better rifle

I love my Mini 14 but they're expensive for what they are

You can get a different rifle with a much larger aftermarket for the same price or cheaper. Mag selection is limited. Etc.

It's not a bad gun, just understand what you're buying.

>>33988304
They are inferior in every way to even bottom of the barrel ARs, and are more expensive.

> Current year
> MSRP $999.00

I'd get one if they used STANAG magazines. There's no fucking reason for them not to.

>>33988378

You need a nes receiver or an add on. STANAG mags catch on a sidewall cutout.

Mini mags.rock in and lock from the front top face of the mag.

>>33988304
It's just overpriced for what it is, but if you really want a wood gun that shoots 5.56 that bad then go for it brah.

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AR:
Cheaper
More Modular
More variance in parts
More literature regarding them
More training directed towards it
Cheaper mags
Better mags

Mini-14:
Rarely banned.

In my coutnry, it takes 2 weeks to get a Mini-14, but 2 and a half years to get an AR.

Not stanag compatible.

>>33988404
>Spend $600 on rifle.

>Spend more money so it can use most common magazine on the planet.

Just charge me $700 and make that shit right the first time.

>>33988348
They can top feed. They can have adjustable gas blocks. They cycle steel cased ammo. The bolt can be locked open after each individual shot. They are much more ergonomic and pointable. Incapable of the brass over bolt malfunction.

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>>33988304

This is my Mini-14. There has only ever been one that looks anything like it.

Don't worry - the color is temporary. I can post specs if anyone is interested..

>>33988773

Hello fellow Norwegian.

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>>33988773
>tfw mini14 is now banned in sweden.....
had to settle for an FNAR

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>>33989045

Haha, that's cute! You're re-posting my Mini-14 :D

>>33989057
>>33989045
>>33989018
>>33988773
can I say for the record these mini-14s are fucking sick?

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>>33989205

They're just a basic Mini-14 (model 5847), newer production, in a Clyde Armory SCAR stock/chassis system.

The chassis will enable you to modify the rifle in the same way you could an AR-15.

I originally intended to make my rifle look like a M14 EBR (see pic related), but changed my mind once I started using it for competition shooting.

For the money you could obviously find better AR-15s, no doubt about that, but for a Norwegian such as myself, getting an AR-15 takes years, while getting a Mini-14 takes a few weeks tops.

Also, thanks for the compliment. I'm glad you like it :-)

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I'll dump some of the project photos taken for making the Mini-14 into a EBR-type rifle. It isn't easy, but can be done if you're into welding.

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This was my rifle before I started working on it, almost in the same configuration as >>33989045
posted it.

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I ordered a M14 EBR stock replacement kit, which isn't directly compatible with the Clyde Armory SCAR stock. The main problem is that the angle of the screws mounting the butt stock to the chassis is different, so it can't be done by normal means.

The manufacturer denies it even being possible to fix.

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This is the part that had to be either re-fabricated, modified or welded to mount the butt stock to the chassis.

I opted for the welding option, as I had no need for regular butt stocks based off the AR15 buffer tube.

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I made sure to remove the coating of the part and keep it VERY clean prior to welding. It's important that the weld is strong.

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I have no idea why some of these pictures appear upside-down, because they seem OK on my computer.

In any case, here are a few up close photos of the welding.

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The job was done better than the factory welding done on the butt stock itself, I might add.

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The butt stock is permanently welded to the chassis system here, and it functions exactly like a M14 EBR.

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First coat of paint, just to protect the aluminum somewhat..

I still haven't decided on the final color of the rifle, but I'm open to suggestions.

>>33988773
>Cheaper
We are right now in a post-election cheap AR bubble. It'll last maybe a few more months, then go away.
>More Modular
Not that appealing to me. I need a rifle and a decent optic and that's about it. I don't need to bolt half a dozen tacticool accessories to it.
>More variance in parts
Again, not really something that moves me. In fairness, the same thing could be said about PC vs. Mac, and it never moved me away from Apple products, either.
>More literature regarding them
If I want literature, I'll read Dickens.
>More training directed towards it
Anyone who can't train you because you're using a Mini-14 instead of an AR would be a waste of money to train with anyway.
>Cheaper mags
Not something that moves me. I'm not a poorfag and I'm not buying new mags every week. For the few I own, being a few bucks more expensive is no big deal.
>Better mags
I see no evidence of that.

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>>33989522

I recommend the Tapco Gen II 30rd magazines. They work perfectly with my rifle (never had any issues) and cost about $20 per mag, which in Norway is the same as AR-15 mags.

>>33988304
They expensive and don't take AR mags.

These are the two major flaws, yet I want one since it avoid short gun law ban in my state. I hate it but want it

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>>33989766

See >>33989743.

I have tried factory steel mags, but they have issues with the follower which leads to feeding problems (the follower tilts). It might be possible to fix that with the aftermarket follower from Magpul or something, if they fit, but the cost of that plus the extra weight of steel vs polymer made it an easy choice for me.

The Tapco Gen II magazines have a reinforced "lip" made of steel as seen in this picture, which makes them last virtually forever.

>>33989743
>mini 14
>Norway

HE LIVES

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>>33989743
So, what are a good solution to getting better and longer magazine springs for the Mini-14 mags? I'm toying around with some ideas.

>>33988304
that fuzzy logic maths applied to accuracy is still there.

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>>33989802

I honestly have no idea. I don't want to act like I am the leading authority on the Mini-14, so sadly I can't be of much help in that area.

I would guess any type of modification like that requires extensive testing at a range, and not just what some turd from Norway has to say about it :)

>>33988332
>a $500-$600 AR will be a better rifle
where are these mystical cheap guns

Does /k/ have a time machine where people are posting from 2005 or something

>>33989824
Haven't you used your rifle for atleast some IPSC shooting? I've yet to shoot mine at a match, the last chance I had, I didn't bring it and ended borrowing some dudes Arsenal.

>>33989838

The rifle was just finished a few weeks back, so I have yet to use it in IPSC competition other than practice. It's a bit heavy compared to the AR-15 counterparts, but if you work around that it can be an advantage.

There aren't that many rifle competitions in Norway that don't require a lot of traveling, so it takes a while to find a good match.

>>33989833
$500-$600 AR15s are common in Trump's America

http://www.cabelas.com/product/shooting/firearms/centerfire-rifles/semiautomatic-centerfire-rifles%7C/pc/104792580/c/553829580/sc/105522480/i/105524280/anderson-mfg-am-optic-ready-centerfire-rifle/2392846.uts

>>33989856
iirc Kongsvinger Open got full-booked within 20 minutes of being on SSI. So far I've only attended club matches..

>>33988912
>they can top feed
Okay? Why would you want/need to
>they can have adjustable gas systems
So can AR's. Again, unnecessary unless you're using a suppressor.
>they cycle steel cased ammo
Show me an AR that can't
>the bolt can be locked open after each individual shot
So can an AR. Are you sure you aren't confusing AR with AK?
>they are much more ergonomic and pointable
Subjective, but in my opinion you're wrong.
>incapable of the brass over bolt malfunction
Im not even sure what this means so I cant really argue

>>33989881

You're quite right. A lot of shooters fighting over few spots, and the organizers tend to favor the top tier shooters (i.e. giving them spots before the signup is open to the public etc.).

I don't mind, so long as people still get to shoot sometime :p

>>33989833
ARs have absolutely exploded in the last 5 years. We are in a tremendous AR market glut you can get parts and complete guns for so cheap that they have become defacto standard guns in pretty much any and every state without any additional legal restrictions. They are what the old durr rifles used to be in terms of availability.

>>33988313
FPBP
underrated
/thread

>>33988304
You ever see the A-Team actually hit anybody?

Case, rested.

>>33989920

Not the same type of rifle, mate. The rifle used in the A-team was the Ruger AC556 (select fire) and was built in the same way as the older Ranch Rifles were. That meant a lot of barrel flex when firing, as well as poor tolerances during fabrication.

The newer rifles have this sorted out, and will deliver on par with AR-15 rifles out of the box. Where the AR-15 surpasses the Mini-14 is 350 yards and beyond.

>>33988304
an ar with wood furniture with a high quality barrel can be had for cheaper, it can also accept SATNAG or what ever you wanna call em mags.

sure you would have to talk to a gun smith or assemble it your self but there you have it.

>>33989522
>I don't need to bolt half a dozen tacticool accessories to it.

How about quality parts? Sure the Mini-14 can outmatch some of the lower end AR-15 parts, but what about the higher end?

>>33989833
Ati hybrids can now be had for 369.99 at grabagun with mail in rebate. May not be quality but it's much more than half a mini14.

>>33989018
>>33988773
>>33989057
>>33989045
>>33989233
>>33989248
What the fuck is the point of a Mini-14 if you're just going to give it the black rifle tacticool aesthetic?

That's a serious question, I'd like to know.

>>33988912
>they can top feed
They're a detachable-mag fed rifle. This is entirely irrelevant.
>they have adjustable gas blocks
No, they have 2-position gas blocks, and neither setting is really "right" for any ammo.
>they cycle steel cased ammo
As to the overwhelming majority of AR's
>the bolt can be locked open after each individual shot
So can an AR's, except easier. Also why would you want to?
>they are much more ergonomic and pointable
Polar opposite actually. There's a fucking reason why every military in the world has gone to a pistol-grip style stock.
>incapable of brass over bolt malfunction
True, but they have less reliable mags and screw up in new and different ways as a result.

>>33989975
It's the most tacticool rifle you can have here without doing a pistol safety course, 6 months of pistol shooting, another safety course and 2 years more of pistol shooting.
Getting a hunting license and buying the Mini-14 takes like 3 weeks. And it's only one course.

>>33988304
They don't take AR mags and they're overpriced.

>>33990005
Why are tacticool Mini-14s with all the "features" of an AR unrestricted but AR's aren't? Are we talking Canada or something?

>>33989975

Personal preference for starters. The ergonomics of the AR-platform is better in most ways, and I can't get an AR-15 for a couple of years in Norway, so this keeps me going until then.

It's also a fun project to build on.

>>33990047

Norway.

There is no logic involved in the gun laws we have, so don't go looking for any :p

>>33990047
Some time the cops decided that legal semi-auto rifles needed to be split into two categories, all semi-auto need to be approved by the police by name, make and model. There's a sporting list and a hunting list. The mini-14 is on the hunting list, thus easier to aquire as it's "just" a regular hunting rifle, while an AR-15 is on the sporting list thus more "dangerous" according the police.

>>33990061
>>33990051
Huh, I would have figured that Norway would ban the Mini-14 after the "island incident".

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>>33988304
The Ares (fitelite?) SCR is better in every way

>>33990074

This. Also keep in mind that they restrict which firearms that become approved or not based on "military features". What are military features you might ask? Nobody knows. It changes depending on who you ask. For Politidirektoratet (our ATF) they claim that stuff like fore-grips, collapsible butt stocks, high capacity magazines, certain types of optics, picatinny rails and some other stuff are ALL "military features".

I looked it up and found that the intent of the law in question was not to restrict firearms based on how they look, but on their ability to be converted into full auto (much like certain laws in the U.S.).

How it got twisted over the years to what it currently is - I have absolutely no idea.

>>33990094
Does anyone know if that sorta lower would work with the AR57 upper? That's my dream build

>>33988378
/thread x Infinity until the end of time

I'm a huge mini fan, but you're lying to yourself if you think there aren't plenty of improvements Ruger could make to make the gun more appealing. Most of which are just small things that would make it a much better rifle

>>33990094
I really want one of these. But I'm a bit concerned about build quality since they're made for the commie-state market niche.

>>33990084

You're not wrong. A couple of months after the incident no new applications for Ruger Mini-14s were accepted (or more precisely - they were put on hold pending a verdict from a newly appointed commission - the Bjorg Commission).

Even though Norway isn't a member of the EU, we somehow still get the EU gun laws pushed down our throats. I expect much stricter laws sometime this year.

The only good thing about it is that it's illegal for any new law to have retroactive effect, which means that anyone who owns the rifle prior to any bun or restriction would still be allowed to keep them, but they can't sell or transfer them to anyone else.

>>33990106
Doubtful.

What does the 57 bolt look like?
If its just a bolt head swap and the upper feeds roughly where the magwell is. It might be possible

>>33990120
I bought one and I'm in Idaho. It accepts any standard upper. I've not noticed any issues with any upper I've used.

The lower is on par with any gucci billet receiver. The fire control group is unfortunately non standard, not sure if it was just copied from somewhere else though. Trigger felt fine, better than average on an AR, perhaps could use a polish (im not generally concerned with trigger weight)

They slighly jew you with the bolt hold open as its an ad-on part (i think it cost $30 extra)

The plastic stock is fine. I swapped mine for Remington wood. It did have an aluminum buttplate though.

Only negative I've found is plastic mags are a little tight depending on maker.

>>33989794
underrated

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>>33989975
why not

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>>33990266

That rifle was the inspiration for mine. It was made from the exact same parts, except that he did a much better job with the Bronze coating :)

>>33989833
Ill one up you.
>$399
>Name brand
>Lifetime warranty

https://www.reddit.com/r/gundeals/comments/6bpa3w/sw_mp15_sport_2_399_ships_free/

>inb4 reddit

>>33990094
Why isn't faglite mass producing these things?

they are sold out everywhere even in non ban states.

>>33988304
Limited aftermarket. Expensive mags. Does nothing better than an AR at a greater price tag.

Nothing wrong with Minis except the price.
If Ruger made them able to top load off a stripper clip, that would even solve the magazine price issue. Throw a cheaper poly stock on it, and lower the price to $5-$600 and they might actually be able to sell more than a few.

>>33988773
That is hideous. But I hate buffer tube stocks on guns that don't have buffer tubes. The AC556 is actually decent looking.

>>33989522
ARs have been cheaper for quite some time, aside from the panic in 2012-13,

An AR is more versatile though. Its design lends itself to easily free floating the barrel for accuracy. The inline design keeps recoil low for quick shooting.

Variance in parts means parts availability. Parts break or get lost, be it on an AR or Mini or even an AK. With an AR, all your parts are ridiculously abundant.

If an AR has a problem, someone else has had the same problem and written how to fix it.

Training is a wash. While I like the AR's controls, getting used to a different manual of arms isn't a big deal.

Cheaper, and more abundant. Just like everything else on an AR.

Mags is a wash, and maybe actually a win for the Mini. Mags are one of the weaker points of ARs.

>>33989833
I just saw PSA had S&W M&P15 Sport II for $400. I've been seeing them for $500 since Christmas.

>>33990106
AR57 upper is just a straight blowback I think? If SCR can take a 9mm blowback upper, I imagine it could do 5.7. I've read bad reviews of AR57s though, despite them interesting.

>>33990304
No idea. Tempting to try to get one imported so to try to get it on the approved hunting list.

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>>33988304
It's a gun. That's a flaw.

>>33988820
This.

I get Bill Ruger was a fudd but it's time to redesign the mini-14 for ar mags.

Maybe even a mini-30 that uses AK mags.

>>33990499

I think a mini 30 redesigned to use AK mags would be really neat. Especially for those in states who can't get AKs

>>33989351
Well done, anon.

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The bottom line is this: People who actually own Mini-14s love them, while butthurt AR fanboys who have never even been in the same room as one will loudly complain about them all day long.

>>33990304
They aren't big enough for starters. They could start cranking em out, but would you expect decent QC then?

>>33989833
no we just don't buy ARs from gander mountain

>>33990350
>hate buffer tube stocks on guns that don't have buffer tubes.

I've never liked the look, but the utility is far too good to pass up with all the stock options on the market.

>>33989833
Trump winning the election created an instant market glut as the eight year panic buy stopped literally overnight.

>>33990538
Only if they fixed the bolt face issue so that you didn't get light primer strikes on steelcase.

>>33989981
>>33989883
Butt hurt ar fanboy: the posts

Ps I own both guns

>>33989975
They want EBR>>33991379

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>>33988304
Aperture sight is fucking garbage. First time I took it to the range one of the windage screws worked itself loose and fell out. Didn't notice until I was packing up and lost the screw. Guess what Ruger won't replace?

>>33989833
>>a $500-$600 AR will be a better rifle
>where are these mystical cheap guns
>Does /k/ have a time machine where people are posting from 2005 or something

You realize in 2005 AR-15 prices started at a thousand dollars right?

>>33988332
This. I can't find a reasonably priced M14 anywhere. And don't even get me started on the ones that are all tricked out with rails and shit. Jesus Christ they're over $1500USD! I could just buy an AR for half that and spend the rest of that tricking it out and stockpiling ammo!

>>33993959

M1A, brother. Even I can get one here in Norway for a reasonable price, although they're made by Springfield Armory I believe..

>>33991379
That's a firing pin spring fix and it's all of $7. Slicking up the bolt face does help with steel case a bit, mostly with the lacquer cases

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>>33993982
Unless you are a collector or going to pay the 500-600$ fee to get it approved, you can't legally get an M1A in Norway. It's not on this list.
So how are you gonna get the M1A?

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>>33988304
They're made by Ruger, who have a history of backing anti-gun legislation.

Also the mags.

>>33989933
The A-Team only used AC556s for a few episodes, because the ATF got right up in the production's ass over them taking the rifles over state lines without notifying them. Most of the series it was just Mini 14GB's with side folding stocks

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>>33990201
Did you get the full rifle or just the lower? I heard they send the BCG without a cam pin, firing pin, etc if you just get the lower.

And any pics of your SCR? I really want to see how people add the wood stock before i try my hands at it.

>>33994947
Oh, not this again. That was twenty years ago, under different management. That has nothing to do with Ruger of the Current Year.