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>>33983727
sorry we got caught

>we're sorry guys
>please buy our shit again

>>33983727
Fuck em.

Ruger now gets my business that was going to them.

They gave donations, kickbacks, golf games, everything to anti-gun politicians for years.

Let it burn.

>>33983982
this, fuck them.

>>33983982
You think they should have been lobbying the people who were already going to vote in their favor?

Not a whole lot to gain there.

>>33984470
They were being buddy-buddy for their own company's benefit, not for the gun owners in the state.

>>33983727
they knew what they were doing. fuck them

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>>33983982
Oh, the irony.

>>33983982

Ruger supported the California safe handgun act, which conveniently gave themselves a total monopoly in the world's largest handgun market.

THE. BILL. WAS. MEANT. TO. CUT. DOWN. CRIME.

>>33984492

Bill Ruger's dead

>>33984527
(You)

>>33984527

>Anything is passable so long as it was done with "good intentions"!

>>33984527
so was the patriot act, and now we have nsa listening to our conversation.

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This is horse shit and everyone knows it lol.

He'll probably lose business even talking about the fact that Springfield isn't even the original Springfield in the first place.

Literally all they do is Import Brazilian cast guns and market the fuck out of them as American™ As ™ Apple ™ Pie ™.

There are literally still people who I know that believe the XD is an American gun.

Nothing wrong with importing foreign guns, I just find Springfields business model abhorrent.

>Meanwhile Quality US made guns are going for sub 250

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>>33983727
w-wait is this the beginning of their redemption arc?!

>>33984585
>Meanwhile Quality US made guns are going for sub 250
because nobody wants them

>>33983982
>Ruger now gets my business that was going to them.

Perhaps you should research Ruger before you make that statement.

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Springfield wasn't the one that signed the bill (that didn't even pass), it was the executive director of their lobbying group.

This is the same as you being responsible for your lawyer suing someone on your behalf without your knowledge or consent then being blamed for suing that person. But most gun owners who get their info from Yankee cuck and TFB, everyone will throw shitfits and we've seen this time and time again. For fucks sake, there's still people who think HK hates civilians and wasn't a strong supporter of the 2nd ammendment during the AWB back in the 90's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxHN-tmTpE0

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>>33983727
>We just left it to one guy and he fucked everything up. We fired him though so buy or stuff, we like guns.

>>33983727
theyve only been a thing since 1974? i know it was bought out but i didnt think it was that recent

>>33983727
>2:20
Holy shit what a fucking retard.

Does he actually expect us to believe this shit?

>>33985196
Well done, Anon

Fuck springfield and RRA

Springfield owner fully knew what was going on with the anti-gun bill

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>>33985292
The evidence them is damning to say the least. And this video does very little to assuage those skeptical of their intentions.

>>33985117
>This is the same as you being responsible for your lawyer suing someone on your behalf without your knowledge or consent then being blamed for suing that person.
That would be true, if they honestly had no knowledge of the group's actions.

I'm willing to bet though, that at a minimum, at least one person at both companies are having a fortnightly phone conference with the lobbying group, discussing their current actions and campaigns.

A business doesn't regularly spend tens of thousands of dollars supporting an organisation, without expecting regular information as to their efficacy, their campaigns, and their progress. That's the government's job.

What's the chance of somebody buying the rights to the M1A?

>>33986838
. . .

...Just make an M14?

>>33984508
>Ruger supported the California safe handgun act
and now, only their revolvers and one .22 auto pistol is on the roster.
Let alone no new or "changed" product be added onto the california roster because it now requires microstamping.

>>33984585
Well, you have Rock Ola/James River or Fulton if you want solid M14 over SA's M1A.
But you're pretty much paying close to SCAR-17 prices.

Someone give me context please.

>>33986838
Fulton Armory
James River/Rockola

but at those price points, you either really really want a M14, or easily get a PTR/DSA plus lots of ammo, save a bit and get a SCAR17, or your choosing of AR10's (barring high end models).

>>33986940
Lobby group that SA and RR belongs to negotiated a deal with state lawmakers to exempt all parties in that lobby group from a gun bill that required more licensing requirements, as long as the lobby group didn't oppose the bill.

SA denied they knew anything.

Recent leaked papers pointed towards otherwise.

>>33983727
>the nra gave denny an award for being pro-gun
Now they're just insulting our intelligence.

>Springfield
Lol literally who?

>>33984575
That's why I verbally abuse my phone every now and again. Just on the off chance there's a spook listening in at that moment.

>>33984492
>>33984508
>>33985060
And I didn't buy shit till Bill Ruger was dead and the company turned around.

If they hang the head of Springfield out the fucking window so his corpse can be pelted with rocks, they can have my business back.

Both stances are sound.

>>33985117
Yet they've know about this and previous action since AT LEAST 2011

>>33986983
spotted the Glawk tard

>>33983727
I'm legitimately surprised the comments section isn't totally shitting on them and that the video in general has so views and dislikes.


come on /k/ let's rape their comment section with dislikes and let them feel the wrath of /k/ommandos!

>>33985060
>>33984508
>>33984492
They made amends.

Smith and Wesson still snubs the civilian market and Colt is basically dead because of catering exclusively to Law Enforcement and Military.

Ruger despite it's contributions to the dark days of he 90's has turned completely around since bill's death and sell AR-15's in California.

>>33985196
I lost my shit.

I mean it, I shit my pants laughing you bastardo!

>>33987007
No, no, that's just the schizophrenia acting up.

>>33987205
>isn't totally shitting on them
unless things have changed in the last hour or two they were totally being shit on, I'm waiting for the comments to be turned off.

>>33987214
>>33987098
I'll believe Ruger has turned around when they stop stamping "read the owner's manual" and "firearms are dangerous" over inch of their pistols. Until they start treating their customers like adults who legally can purchase a firearm they can keep their products.

>>33987278
Damn!

Somebody screen cap some of it!

>>33987214
>S&W snubs civie market
I see almost as many M&Ps and 2.0s at 3gun and IPSC as Glocks.
Literally NOBODY tried to polish the turd that is the Ruger American Pistol into anything worthwhile.
S&W M&P15 is a great entry level AR, and the M&P 15-22 gives the 10/22 a run for its money.
I don't understand how someone can be a Ruger fan in this day and age.

>>33987007
>>33987252
Samefagging

>>33987214
How did Ruger "make amends", nigger I didn't get a check in the mail or a magic wand that erases gun legistlation I don't like.
Ruger, as a company, has done far more harm than good to the gun industry.

>>33987300
Those guns are for military and police only. Let me see that badge!

with what I know about body language I can say that from my perspective the man is truthful and that the guy he hired actually did fuck him over (assholes are everywhere). The only thing I saw that raised a red flag is when he said the guy he hired did not realize how critical defeating said law was. I believe this was a white lie because if he had said the truth he would open his company to a lawsuit from the fuck that screwed him over.

>>33987331
I hope this a meme lol.

>>33984527
>if we genocide the entire planet no one will ever be murdered again!
>W-why are you guys mad it was MEANT TO PREVENT CRIME

>>33987287
this.

Just in aesthetic terms, I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. There are objectively mechanically better rifles and pistols out there, too.

>>33987300
>m&p 15-22
>gives the 10/22 a run for it's money
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>>33987334
Are you ignoring the stream of denials and then the attempted cover up? He's sorry he got caught, not sorry for what he did.

>>33983727

Speaking of this anti-gun bill, did it pass?

>>33987334
From a recent TTAG post:

>Aside from the sentimental look at Springfield’s history and Mr. Reese’s defense of his supposed ignorance of the IFMA carve-out for Illinois gun dealer licensing — in a bill that includes private firearms transfer limitations — the Springfield exec doesn’t make any mention of the tens of thousands of dollars IFMA donated to virulently anti-gun politicians over the last five years.

>Reached for comment (by an anonymous source), lobbyist Keller said “I did what they paid me to do.” Our source also tells us that Springfield Armory is considering suing Mr. Keller and TTAG.

>Make of that what you will.

>>33987402
No

>>33987460
So we are cool then right?

t. Springfield Armory

>>33987287
It's just cya from the company. It's ugly as sin but I understand why they do it. You have to remember that while the people who post on /k/ or ARG or some other gun forum are relatively competent with guns, they're enthusiasts who care to educate themselves. Most people aren't, and since we don't require a competency test in this country or training literally anyone can buy a gun. That includes borderline retards who will fuck up and then be convinced to sue by some ambulance chaser.

>>33987328
>Calls someone a nigger
>Expects a check in the mail for 'muh reperashuns'

My sides

>>33987648
>Ruger spends decades eroding second amendment freedoms
>"Ruger has made amends guys, it's cool"

Muh sides.

>>33987635
This. We put "caution: hot" on coffee lids ffs.

>>33987626
No

>>33984527
You aren't from Illinois are you? we get shit like this all the fucking time to "cut down on crime". They never work. fuck you

>>33987936
Whatever you say Nigger. Keep waiting for that check.

>>33987965
He's mocking the video my friend. And I'm from DuPage, nothing short of a sterilization program will stop the crime in cook

>>33988338
Different anon here only commenting about Illinois crime.

In order to get rid of crime in Illinois in general there needs to be a mandatory automatic rifle bill passed and some kind of doctrine for shoot on sight for ghetto people. This is literally THE hotbed state for gang violence in the entire midwest. If cops won't shoot them give us legal immunity. The job will get done.

>>33988003
>Literally avoiding the argument all costs
If you support Ruger you are either a no-gunz faggot or an actual cuck.

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>>33987314
How does it feel to be wrong
>>33987252
I don't think you know what schizophrenia is, and I your reading comprehension isn't very good.

>>33984585
Ian?

>>33987291
Looks like the dislikes are catching up to the likes.

>>33987346
Hey, I don't use Colt AR-15's and Aimpoint optics cause they say they are for military and law enforcement only...same reason I don't own an SLP.

I'm not going to buy a product that is meant only for cops...glocks maybe the most used handgun by law enforcement but they aren't actually named police guns or have writing saying police only on them.

My BCM has a real lower not a Colt with a block because they think I can't help myself from converting my rifle into a machine gun.

>>33987287
It's not on every inch and many other gun makers put a "read manual" on them.

>>33988664
Oh you again.

>>33989899
>Only one anon dislikes Ruger
There's a reason you never ever see those piece of shit Ruger American Pistols or SR9s at ANY competitive event. The free market is beautiful, people have choices and they overwhelmingly choose NOT to use Rugers.

>>33990290
If you don't like Ruger that's fine but making personal attacks on people who buy it just makes you seem like someone who has no arguments other than 'real operators don't use x'

The free market argument is even dumber because they already have significant market share and are doing fine as a company, I personally don't like the American series but one flop isn't a failure of a company make.

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>>33988918
>How does it feel to be wrong

So is now a good time to scoop up cheap used Springfield Armory guns? Are there people dumping them for cheap?

>>33990558
>Samefag
>Nope
>You just don't get the joke
Are you retarded?

>>33987214
>ruger made amends
rugerfags are worse than glocktards

>>33989871
>"you're not making real arguments bruh"
>"it's cool guys, Ruger has made amends"

If you can do the mental gymnastics to support a company that has historically been of the mindset that civilians are garbage who only need bolt guns and .22s, go right ahead. I'm sure you'll buy plenty of Troy shit to decorate it with as well. Don't pretend you can take the moral highground while supporting a company with the history of Ruger.

>>33990997
You mean like GRIP ZONE shit or like Springfield 1911's?

>>33991153
Nope but you've just confirmed that you are.

>>33992253
The only way you're 'joke' makes sense is if you're an idiot confusing schizophrenia for split personality disorder.

>>33992326
I'm sorry your uncle touched you and robbed you of a normal life, anon.

>>33992655
>I'm sorry your uncle touched you and robbed you of a normal life, anon.
That projection. I'm convinced you're just a retard now, have a good night.

>>33992326
>I DIDNT MISS THE JOKE
>continues missing the joke

I've been out of the loop for awhile, what did Springfield do?

>>33988605
I'm ok with this.
My jerb in the ESL area would be a lot more enjoyable

>>33988605
See as much as I know this is the answer, I wish niggers would just wake the fuck up. They aren't as trapped as they think, hard work is the key to at least reasonable success. But these kids are raised being told that there's no chance to be legitimate and that it's the evil whites faults

>>33989844
Dislikes have now surpassed likes.

>>33993056
Most are physically incapable of that, you should know this by now.

>>33993074
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>>33984527
What's this bill again?

It's been while since I lurked here

>>33993596
I guess I'm too optimistic, I want to believe that there isn't a branch of homo sapiens that is completely lost

>>33995833
>>33992830

not burger, and anyone correct me if i am wrong, but basically this:

>Reese and a vice-director of Springfield Armory create a lobby group to take care of the big gun industry interests in Illinois. Effectively, this means Springfield and Rock River Armory interests.
>They hire a lobbyist who for the next 15 years gives money out to the state's foremost gun grabbers and Democrats.
>For this particular case, where they fucked up, they where opposing a bill that passed Illinois State Senate, SB-1657, the Gun Dealer Licensing Act, and creates conflict with the state's gun owners because it passed as soon as the lobby group's opposition was dropped
>Gun owners find out that the lobbyist had cut out exceptions for Springfield and Rock River in a bill that regulates FFLs even further than the present federal requirements, including the need for heavy qualifications for all of the employees, State Police can demand an audit at any time, private owners can't buy or sell more than 9 guns a year, and any present FFL that did not meet the new stricter state requirements or the heavy fees needed is restricted to those same 9 trades a year.
>With their exceptions, SA and RRA have a lock on Illinois market, supporting whichever FFLs they would like and permitted to sell as many guns as they want. This kills the local gun shops in IL and puts the entire gun business in big companies and franchises, that in turn can charge whatever they want because they're the only option and will have state and federal support by the same lobby group that sponsored those bills in the first place.

I hope this helps. You can read it for yourself, it's SB-1657, The Gun Dealer Licensing Act. You can also check for yourself on the lobby group: IFMA, the lobbyist is Jay Keller and the funding comes from Springfield and Rock River, straight from Reese and RR's board of directors.

tl;dr Springfield and Rock River sold out the FFLs and gun owners of IL in exchange for exceptions.

>>33993056
Easy.
>kill mayor.
>kill chief of police.
>kill DA.
Done.

>>33983727
Eurofag here, what happened?

>>33993056
Racist cracker, blacks would succed if every white woman would be with black man. That way there wouldn't be any more racist white babies and peace would finally come.

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>>33993596
>physically incapable
Faggot why do you think they were brought here in the first place?

>>33983727
I forgive them, I am currently saving up for an M1A as we speak.

>>33999637
He meant in a way that they can't think you nigger loving fag.

>>33983727
I don't understand why /k/ gives a shit about this. It's literally not a big deal, not all of us live in Illinois and cares about something that will not affect that vast majority of this board.

Also, Springfield and RRA makes good quality stuff. SA are famous for their M1A and it made them. I swear to god /k/ is ungrateful for good products these companies put out.

>>33999714
well, that's a way to see it, though my understanding is that the "it doesn't effect me, so why would I care?" Argument is essentially being in a row boat, sitting on the bow while the guys bailing water out in the stern are asking you to help, and answering their pleas for assistance with "Why should I worry? The leak is on YOUR side of the boat!"

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>>33999366
just like in africa

>>33999714
one break in the wall threatens us all, so the voice of the market will speak.

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>>33999366
Ooga booga go back to africa

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>>33993056
The problem is the fact that niggers lack fathers in the household. Having both parents in the household growing up is statistically the number one determining factor in whether you grow up to be successful or commit crimes/use drugs. this is why they commit 50% of the crime when only making up 11-16% of the population

>>33999366
That's a losing proposition, they'd be smarter than blacks yet still dumber than whites. Also crackers worked hard to build our civilization and culture, I think we'll keep it.

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They will all be rolled one by one, mark my words. Even Hickok bends the knee.

>>33984585
and croatian guns too.

>>33986838
there are no rights. its an open design, and the one that killed the original Springfield Armory.